Petraeus advisor sees U.S. troops in Iraq for 30 years

In August, Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) traveled to Baghdad and received a briefing from Gen. David Petraeus, in which he acknowledged his belief that in order to “win” in Iraq, U.S. forces would have to stay in the country for “nine or 10 years.”

This was hardly reassuring. Indeed, for every pundit who insists that the Bush policy is finally, after years of failure, on the right track, Petraeus’ assessment creates a helpful contrast. As Yglesias said at the time, “To say that our current policy is working and needs just ten more years to stabilize Iraq is lunacy — just leaving stands a perfectly good chance of working just as quickly at radically lower cost.”

But that’s the 2017 plan. How about the 2037 plan?

Stephen Biddle, a military analyst at the Council on Foreign Relations and a key member of Petraeus’ advisory panel, spoke over the weekend about his vision for Iraq’s future. Marc Lynch reports: (via Kevin Drum)

Without getting in to his arguments or my reservations, I just wanted to lay out Biddle’s best case scenario as he presented it: if everything goes right and if the US continues to “hit the lottery” with the spread of local ceasefires and none of a dozen different spoilers happens, then a patchwork of local ceasefires between heavily armed, mistrustful communities could possibly hold if and only if the US keeps 80,000-100,000 troops in Iraq for the next twenty to thirty years. And that’s the best case scenario of one of the current strategy’s smartest supporters. Man.

Remember, Biddle is an optimist. He was describing what he sees as the best case scenario.

What’s more, I’d just add that Biddle’s sanguine analysis isn’t improving as violence in Iraq subsides.

Just a couple of months ago, Slate’s Fred Kaplan chatted with Biddle, who described his take on the viability of the administration’s “bottom-up” strategy.

[Biddle] said (again, expressing his personal view) that the strategy in Iraq would require the presence of roughly 100,000 American troops for 20 years — and that, even so, it would be a “long-shot gamble.”

That was in early September. Now, after returning from a recent 10-day trip to Iraq, Biddle is talking about the same deployment for as many as 30 years.

Yglesias added a good point.

Kaplan gets at some of this, but if your analysis is that we should accept a “long-shot gamble” that entails 100,000 American troop serving in Iraq until 2027 then you owe us some kind of explanation of what the payoff is supposed to be. The cost of doing what Biddle’s analysis suggests is necessary would be enormous. The benefits, meanwhile, don’t seem especially high even if you ignore the “long-shot” nature of the odds. Plug the odds in, and the whole proposition looks ridiculous.

I respect Biddle enormously, and think his argument against a middle path in Iraq is absolutely solid. His analysis of what staying would entail also seems solid. I just can’t understand why he doesn’t see that the obvious upshot of his analysis is that we should leave. To conclude anything else it seems to me you’d need to put a near-infinite value on the prospect of salvaging something to label “success” in Iraq.

And if Biddle is an optimist about Iraq’s future, what are the serious pessimists thinking right now?

“Violence in Iraq’s Basra province has dropped by 90 percent since British troops moved their base outside the provincial capital, according to British military authorities. British forces withdrew from the center of the province’s Basra city to an airport base in early September. “Most of the violence was being perpetuated (sic) against British forces. Once we repositioned to the contingency operating base at the airport, we were no longer a target, so the level of overall violence dropped by 90 percent,” Lt. Col. Derek Plews, spokesman for Maj. Gen. Graham Binns, told CNN on Friday.”

(From a November 16 news item. Full story is here):

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/16/iraq.main/index.html

All we can accomplish in Iraq by staying is to make things worse. This story is Exhibit A to prove that. So there must be some other reason why these seemingly intelligent people want us to spill our blood there for decades to come.

Follow the oil money.

  • And if Biddle is an optimist about Iraq’s future, what are the serious pessimists thinking right now

    We’re afraid that 30 years won’t prove to be enough, either.

  • Thirty years rather than nine years is almost enough to make one feel betrayed.
    But then again, just who are Biddle and Betrayus fooling?
    Themselves?

    There is no way the empire can sustain this expense for even one more year.
    The Iraq war doesn’t spread the money wide enough.

    God knows where the billions are going…
    I’m not seeing any.
    The soldiers aren’t seeing any.
    The common poor slob isn’t seeing any.
    The Iraqis aren’t seeing any.

    The Iraq war is depleting the economy as a whole, because the underlying debt-dollars are being concentrated in too few Republicans hands.
    That greed is unsustainable.
    Their is no trickle down.
    They aren’t throwing the general population a bone.

    They tried to sustain the rape of the US treasury on three things alone:

    1) Fake wmds
    2) Failed attempt to build democracy.
    3) Fascistic appeal to patriotism.

    Because they weren’t smart enough to spread the lucre all they got left is (3).
    That won’t work either.
    At least not for much longer…

    Sooner, rather than later, Americans will catch on that that Bush’s Iraq heist is costing them $20,000 per household. I foresee a lot of anger. A whole lot of anger.

  • What would be the downside of simply coming home?

    Our decision makers lack all rationality and should be dumped.

    Oh, I forgot. Pelosi pulled that plug.

  • ***And if Biddle is an optimist about Iraq’s future, what are the serious pessimists thinking right now?***

    Ooooh. Ooooh. Lemme take a gues at this one:

    “A Christofascist’s wetdream—war without end—Amen and amen?”

  • What is it that we’re supposed to be accomplishing in Iraq that requries this kind of crippling investment of our resources? Who the hell cares if this tiny country of 27 million people finally establishes a stable democracy in 2035? What the hell do we get out of it for such a staggering investment?

    Oh. The oil. If not, then what? It’s insane to stay there if we don’t get their oil, because there’s nothing else in it for us. And yet, 30 years from now, with global warming and peak oil breathing down our necks, the whole equation will have changed. We won’t be dependent upon Middle East oil anymore, because they’ll have long passed peak production, and the planet will have burned up if we haven’t moved on to alternatives in a huge way.

    It’s just insane, this policy of ours. We are pissing away all the money we need to invest in a sensible energy policy for utter folly and madness.

  • Leave Iraq? What, not gonna happen. Leave without oil? yeah right? Have no military footprint in the middle east? Yeah right? Not gonna happen, even when Hillary, or Edwards or Obama is sitting in the Oval Office. We are still building permanent bases in Iraq, we are just gonna leave those and all the $$ we’ve put into them. We’re gonna leave without any access to Iraqi oil after all the $$ we’ve plunked into W&Dick’s great misadventure? Not a chance, short of a revolution here and what are the chances of that happening. The Dems will take some troops out and basically try to get it off the tv, newspapers, americans minds, but if you think we are leaving anytime soon (ie: the next 50-100 yrs) can I have some of what your smokin.

  • I volunteer Gen. David Petraeus to be the troop which stays in Iraq for the next thirty years.

  • http://www.mclaughlin.com/library/transcript.asp?id=624

    “The oil in Iraq’s reserves is one of the largest in the world. It’s estimated that 300 barrels sit beneath the Iraqi desert, more than even Saudi Arabia. Who controls it? If Iraq’s Parliament passes its oil law, designed by the Bush administration, American companies would get access to 63 of Iraq’s 80 known oil fields for 30 years. And that’s ownership of the oil.”

    This was the 2nd topic in The McLaughlin Group discussion last week (Nov. 9, 2007). Surprisingly, no one discussed this pertinent detail. Of course, we will be there for the next 30 years! We’ll be too busy stealing Iraq’s oil and protecting our asses/assets to leave.

  • Comments are closed.