Pick a meme, any meme

As a rule, Republicans appreciate the value in defining the Democratic presidential nominee, and the GOP is usually pretty good at it. In 2000, Al Gore, they said, was an “exaggerator.” This was not only effective, thanks to a quick embrace by the media, it was part of a narrative — when Gore takes credit for the successes of the ’90s, don’t believe him because he exaggerates.

In 2004, John Kerry, they said was a “flip-flopper.” This, too, was relatively effective, and was once again parroted by the media. And the narrative here was equally clear — in the first post-9/11 election, in a time of war, we don’t want someone who’s inconsistent.

Four years later, the effort to define Barack Obama is proving to be more difficult. The GOP has experimented with a few different memes, but they haven’t stuck yet. Some even contradict each other.

For months, Karl Rove & Co. has sought to characterize Obama as a dangerous outsider who we don’t really know and can’t trust. Everything about him, the argument goes, is “foreign.” The various far-right smears — about Obama’s religion, his family, his name, his patriotism — were all part of the same conservative frame.

More recently, Rove and his cohorts reversed course, and went with the opposite message: Obama isn’t a dangerous outsider anymore, now he’s an elite insider, hanging out “at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette.”

This week, Rove used his Wall Street Journal platform to push yet another meme: Obama the narcissist.

Such arrogance – even self-centeredness – have featured often in the Obama campaign….

The candidate’s self-centeredness has been on display before…. Mr. McCain will be helped if he uses Mr. Obama’s actions to paint his opponent as someone driven by an all-powerful instinct to look out only for himself.

Markos responded, “So now he’s a selfish, power-hungry, inexperienced American-hating country club elitist.”

It is, to put it mildly, a garbled message — which also happens to shift with some regularity.

Nevertheless, the McCain campaign seems to like this one:

McCAIN CAMPAIGN MEMO OUT THIS MORNING — Steve Schmidt, McCain 2008 Senior Advisor, writes on “Country First Vs. Self-Serving Partisanship”: “There has never been a time when Barack Obama has bucked the party line to lead on an issue of national importance…. We don’t need to trade Republican partisanship for Democratic partisanship. We need to put our country first and put our politics second. That is what John McCain has done his whole life, and that is what he will do as president.”

Most of this is pure nonsense, which is probably why it’s likely to be thrown on the same pile of discarded memes as the last few attacks.

First, Obama has taken the lead on plenty of issues of national importance. Indeed, just yesterday, Mitt Romney graciously acknowledged Obama’s leadership role in counter-proliferation and fuel efficiency.

Second, I’m not sure why Obama needs to reject Democratic ideas to prove himself, but if McCain thinks Obama is afraid to anger the Democratic base, maybe he should read some of our reactions to Obama’s stance on the FISA “compromise.” For that matter, while McCain 2.0 bucked the party line quite a bit, can anyone name three important issues on which McCain 3.0 — the one we see currently running for president — disagrees with the Republican Party?

And finally, as attack memes go, taking on a candidate as “self-serving” and “self-centered” strikes me as unusually weak. If Obama is “self-serving,” why has he spent his adult life in public service? Why did he pass up lucrative career tracks to become an underpaid community organizer? Isn’t this the opposite of “self-centeredness”?

What’s more, unlike the Gore and Kerry smears, this one doesn’t fit into any coherent narrative at all.

Keep searching, guys, you’re bound to come up with something eventually.

Aren’t we on McCain 3.6 or so by now?

  • Krauthammer’s column is actually the coup de grace. I won’t link to it, but it includes this bon mot: “Yesterday, granny was the moral equivalent of the raving Reverend Wright. Today, she is a featured prop in Obama’s fuzzy-wuzzy get-to-know-me national TV ad.”

    I actually feel sorry for this bitter prick.

  • can anyone name three important issues on which McCain 3.0 — the one we see currently running for president — disagrees with the Republican Party?

    Can anyone name one important issue from McCain 2.0 where his position and leadership led to any meaningful accomplishment? And I dare anyone to say campaign reform.

  • I don’t think we’re on McCain 3.6 yet. It’s more of a case that the McCain 3.0 rollout is so full of bugs, they’re still issuing patches for it. McCain 3.1 is scheduled for the repub convention, 3.2 for the day after the repub convention, and 4.0a or 4.0b for the day after the election, depending on whether he wins or loses.

  • a selfish, power-hungry, inexperienced American-hating country club elitist

    Gee, I would think that describes Karl Rove and Charles Krauthammer.

  • If we’re going to be defining McCain in software version terms today, I would like to submit my few coppers’ worth: The Big Blue Screen of Death.

    Or was is green?

  • JMarra – Karl Rove and Charles “By Grapthar’s” Krauthammer don’t hate all Americans, only the ones who are not rich and Republican.

    Just more Republican Projection.

  • Keep searching, guys, you’re bound to come up with something eventually.

    Convincing a majority of the American voting public that their stance on the issues is superior?

    Actually, never mind, if I were in their shoes I’d go with BirthCertificateGate and scary black HUSSEIN! HUSSEIN!, too. More intellectually honest and more believable, too.

  • The best line I saw on this one was:

    “Conservatives know they’re supposed to dislike Obama, but they haven’t yet entirely agreed upon why. ”

    Remember the Hillary people had a tough one with this too. First Obama was an naive inexperienced lightweight, then he was a tough underhanded version of ken starr, then he was an elitist, etc.

  • Lord knows, I hate to repeat myself…

    Aaaaaah who am I kidding? I LOVE repeating myself! At least *I’m* paying attention to me!

    Rove’s engaing in “spray.” The GOP isn’t looking for a solid knockout punch against Obama. They’re trying a rope-a-dope approach. Get a few people to believe Obama’s a secret Muslim, get a few others to believe he’s part of an anti-American church. Get still others to believe he’s the most liberal member of the Senate (boo! hiss! libruls baaaaad!). Get some of the stupider Clinton supporters to believe he denied her her rightful place on the throne. Get racists to think he’s too black. Get black people to think he’s not black enough. Now get a few to think his confidence is smug elitist arrogance & he’s only in it for himself.

    Oh, by the way, if you believe in Obama, then you MUST be one of those blindly allegiant Obamabots who’d follow him off a cliff, and the ONLY way to proe yo’re not a stupied left wing Obama parrot is t thouroughly reject him. THEN, and ONLY then, will the right wing & msm take you seriously. Do you want to be considered an Obama sheep? Do you? DO YOU? MINDLESS PUSSY DRONE? PROVE YOU’RE A FREE THINK BY GIVING IN TO OUR PEER PRESSURE!

    And if the GOP managesto win in Novemer, THIS is how it will be done. Siphoning off support or potential support one bulshit meme at a time, while they kep their fingers crossed the different groups of deluded voters don’t hook up with each other & figure out they each bought into a different lie about the same man.

    They don’t have to convince everyone, and they’re not trying. Just enough to “win” the election (or, for the conspiracy-theorists in the group, close enough to the margin of error for Diebold to do its thing).

  • They are highlighting the maverick meme for McCain. Your comment about how can Obama be self-serving when he has engaged in community service is a ridiculous distortion. They are talking about his decisions as a politician, not his career choice. The choice to pursue the power inherent in being a politician leads through community service — it is a stepping stone that does not imply self-sacrificing commitment to the welfare of the people any more than joining the military as a route to the presidency (as McCain and many previous presidential candidates have done) necessarily implies patriotism.

    Obama is no Mother Theresa and trying to portray him as one is just as ludicrous as pretending he has done nothing for his community. He has had political aspirations, by his own account, and he has done what he has needed to in order to fulfill them. That is both self-serving and public service. The question is whether Obama has been willing to take a principled stand in opposition to his party or his career interests at any point during his career. It is also important to ask whether McCain has really done so, since McCain, not Obama, is claiming to be the maverick in this election. Obama is claiming to be the uniter.

    My objection here is to the magnification of Obama’s public service and portrayal of it as self-sacrificing. That is nauseating and does a disservice to the many people who are truly self-sacrificing in community organizations — people who will never run for office and who do not have spouses earning large salaries, who still live in the community (not next door to Rezko) and wouldn’t find it fun to ride around in a limousine or have dinner with famous people.

  • Slappy Magoo,

    I think that what you are saying make sense. He’s doing the drip drip strategy but I still think there’s a whiff of desperation.

  • Alas, Slappy Magoo has an excellent point. The right used the shotgun-spray approach against Hillary Clinton for 16 years: she was a frigid nymphomaniac lesbian who had an affair with Vince Foster, she was a Commie who wanted to raze capitalism and create a classless society while she pranced around in ermines and a crown, she was ivy-league and 7-sisters-educated elitist trailer trash, she was . . . Oh, you get the picture. And with the people at whom the relentless campaign of smears was aimed, it worked: they hate Hillary because they hate Hillary, and they don’t need a reason. What we have to hope this year is that a critical mass of voters hate Bush’s legacy for excellent reason, and will ignore the distractions.

  • Mary,

    So what if Michelle Obama earns a lot of money. That is her right. She is living the American dream. I get so sick and tired of hearing this that I sense that there’s tinge of envy going on. With respect to your position that Obama having a career in politics is a sign of selfishness,then what do you make of McCain?

  • Micheal Medved did a very good show to prove Obama is nothing more than a Kennedy power struggle to conrol the presidency and, Obama is a pupet of the Kennedy machine.

    Also, how the Clintons are dealingly with this power struggle. To me it made sense.

  • Slappy, rope-a-dope refers to Ali’s use of the ropes to evade George Foreman’s punches. He leaned away and bounced off the ropes to avoid directly confronting Foreman’s power punches, staying out of the center of the ring and frustrating Foreman. It is a tactic used defensively, not something the person taking the offensive does, as you claim McCain and Rove are doing. Also, it was controversial when Ali did it (even though it permitted him to win) and wasn’t considered particularly admirable as a way of fighting. Today, taking command of the ring and the fight is part of the scoring in a championship fight, making it harder for a defensive fighter to win. So, this doesn’t work here as an analogy to either candidate, in my opinion.

  • At the risk of feeding the troll, apparently Mary thinks that we should elect someone who would never run for office, rather than someone who cleverly schemed to become president by becoming a community organizer rather than join the board of Wal-Mart (which of course is a far better way to prepare to be president).

  • We don’t need to trade Republican partisanship for Democratic partisanship.

    Given that the nation by and large agrees with the Democratic positions, trusts Democrats more to run the country and rejects Republican incompetence and corruption, why on Earth not?

  • I agree with Slappy, Rove is simply in mud-mode, and the media gives him the platform to stand on while he flings shit as fast as he can, not caring about blowback and knowing that getting enough to stick will take time and perseverence. I’d say the goal is also to poison Obama’s presidency, which I am sure Rove sees as fairly inevitable given McCain’s weakness as a candidate who is tied to Rove’s toxic creation Bush.

  • Micheline, I didn’t say he was selfish. I said he was not self-sacrificing and was engaged in community work largely as a path into politics, not as a Mother Theresa. Portraying him as the latter is unfair to those who do sacrifice and makes Obama look like a joke. Sort of like his ads claiming to have sponsored bills he only voted for calls attention to his inexperience.

  • I think the McCainbot keeps breaking down- faulty beta-testing or somesuch that causes him to flip-flop/hopscotch the issues. Maybe it was the sprinkled donuts that was the culprit.

  • @Slappy: The problem with the rope-a-dope approach is that it doesn’t work against a younger, more agile opponent. And what they’re doing is not a rope-a-dope anyway (the rope-a-dope is when you get an opponent to tire themselves out by avoiding their attacks, then going in for the kill when they’re tired.)

    “What’s more, unlike the Gore and Kerry smears, this one doesn’t fit into any coherent narrative at all.” This is the essential point. The reason the Gore/Kerry attacks were so effective was that they 1) defined the candidate early and 2) the attacks were focused. Kerry was defined as a flip-flopper immediately and they just hammered away at that theme (sprinkling in some elitist charges for seasoning.)

    The flailing away we’re seeing from Rove/McCain is not a reflection of a strategy, it’s a reflection of the fact that they failed to define Obama before he could define himself. He was way out ahead with this one, and it’s one of the ways the extended primary helped him far more than it hurt him. Obama is the Change candidate. That’s the narrative and it’s pretty deeply ingrained, and the Republicans have to deal with it.

  • one thing to take issue with…

    “Keep searching, guys, you’re bound to come up with something eventually”

    *Sigh* That’s the problem, you’re right, they probably will. They always do. I remember 2004 too well, when I even said “heh, let’s see the draft dodging cheerleader from Andover play the military card against the decorated ‘nam vet…heh heh…wha? The Swift what?”

    And see it, I did.

  • This used to be a website where news items could be relied upon and where intelligent discussion of them took place. Now it is devoted to Obama worship and both evidence and reasoning are stretched to rescue Obama from having to address things he should be answering honestly in his campaign. You don’t distort the facts of Obama’s life in order to make him seem like a self-sacrificing martyr to the people when he was just a guy planning to run for office and building a base in his community, much as someone typically serves on the school board before running for mayor. The bending of language, meaning or content and reasoning to favor Obama, no matter what the truth, all bother me because we are supposed to be living in the reality-based portion of the political world. I always thought Republicans did that, not Democrats and especially not progressives. I am complaining because I don’t believe electing Obama is worth giving up having our feet planted firmly on the ground.

    The irony is that you accuse McCain of throwing anything and everything against Obama to see what sticks, but that is exactly what Steve Benen does here and much of it is specious. There are many solid and legitimate problems with McCain that all deserve exploration. It is correct that Obama has been self-promoting in his career — what politician isn’t? But you don’t address that by claiming that Obama is self-sacrificing. You address it by pointing out that McCain shirks his job and hasn’t voted in months in the Senate, by stating that community work (done for whatever reason) provides exposure to the needs of the people so that intelligent policies can be designed, etc. You don’t do it by pretending that Obama sacrificed by foregoing a corporate law job, ignoring his wife. A couple is a partnership and she is as much a part of their marriage and their activities prior to this election as he is. She enabled them to maintain a comfortable lifestyle while he did community work (and was far from poor in it). It is not the same as having both members of a couple engaged in community work and politics, and is little different than when Hillary Clinton worked for a law firm while Bill pursued political office (except that unlike Michelle, Clinton also did community work at various points in her life prior to running for senator). I don’t blame Obama for choosing a comfortable life, especially for his kids. I do blame you guys and Steve Benen for inflating that into sacrifice while there are many people (including couples) who do make sacrifices to live and work in poor communities and spend their entire lives doing so. It stinks to pretend that Obama is one of those people. He is much more like the guy who works in the public defenders or the district attorney’s office for a couple of years before becoming a high-paid defense attorney, or the physician who does a poorly-paid fellowship for 3-4 years in order to enter a highly paid medical specialty. He paid the price of admission to politics — that’s all.

  • Why does Obama need to take a ‘principle’ stand against the Democratic Party when the Democratic Party is RIGHT on the issues?

  • When Wal-Mart first started, it was an Arkansas company that provided new jobs in poor areas and promoted a “Buy American” policy. As Governor, Bill Clinton helped them get started and Hillary was on their board. Later, with the death of Walton, the company evolved into the ruthless corporation it is now, abandoning “Buy American” and exploiting its employees and local communities. Hillary tried to oppose the transition as a board member but was outvoted and ultimately resigned. Holding her responsible for what Wal-Mart is today is an example of the kind of warped thinking and bending of facts that I am complaining about here. It would be like blaming John Wooden for UCLA’s current basketball performance. It is just dishonest.

  • Mary,

    It should be noted that Obama didn’t earn a lot of money when he was a state senator. Michelle Obama’s line of work is in the non-profit sector. As for McCain’s service to his country, like most people I think that he is a war hero especially what he had to endure as a POW but his most recent actions do not indicate selflessness.

  • Such arrogance – even self-centeredness – have featured often in the Obama campaign….

    Rove said that?
    Sure it wasn’t a bandwidth-hogging, carpetbagging, Clinton troll?

  • Ronald Reagan:”Gipper”—————————————John McCain: “Flipper”

  • Don,

    I had to cut my response short (yeah, like THAT was short). While my rope a dope analogy is, admittedly, not my strongest, I also didn’t explore/explain it as throughly as I originally meant to (in short, I was typing on a motorola q, and about to go into a tunnel). It was part of a seperate train of thought I cut short. (Train! Tunnel! Ya get it! Ah, Foghorn Leghorn, you are missed)

    As the GOP sprays Obama and his potential followers with lies, the Obama campaign is forced to, one by one, explain each distortion, combat it, hit back, and after a while, Obama’s team risks exhaustion. Meanwhile the mammoth GOP machine, while slow and lumbering, knows how to play this game, and rarely gets tired. Hence my rope-a-dope analogy, not the GOP throwing it out, but the risk of the Obama campaign exhausting time and resources pushing back. The only difference is, the GOP isn’t necessarily going in for a kill, as they don’t have to win by knockout. The judges, in this case, the voters, make the decision. And because the Obama campaign has to seriously address these issues, one by one, that’s time they can’t spend building support for their platform.

    Now I don’t think (I certainly don’t hope) this strategy will work for the GOP, not this time. For one, you’re right, the Obama machine is huge itself, and young, and full of piss and vinegar, not to mention moolah. They’re ready for a fight, and that’s not something we’re used to seeing from Democrats. This, in itself is refreshing, and will probably attract more people to Obama than the GOP smears take away. But it IS the GOP plan, and again, it doesn’t have to work on everybody, just on enough people to win. And if I’m right, it’s important for people to be aware, and be MADE aware, that that is the strategy. Like we joke about people who believe Obama’s a Muslim AND his pastor is crazy. Well, is he a Muslim or is he a crazy Christian? Maybe he’s just a regular Christian and some lies were spread about him to scare voters? Ya think? And if those were lies, what else are we told about Obama is a lie? Get people to judge the lies on their merits, ehy’ll start to discount all the smears being spread. Fool me once, and all that. But first, they have to be made aware of the lies. It’s what Obama’s people are trying to do, but again, they gotta keep hitting at each smear, and the GOP won’t tire of throwing ’em out there.

  • Micheline, Michelle Obama worked for a hospital. She earned six-figures, just as the doctors do. Calling it non-profit doesn’t mean she was poorly paid. It means the company doesn’t return profits to shareholders. I assume you knew that and were concealing that info in your response to me, in order to portray her as more self-sacrificing. If so, that is exactly the kind of dishonesty I am talking about.

    Doctors are engaged in a self-sacrificing career. They care about the welfare of their patients and they work long hours. Lawyers do the same, in many companies. Doctors doing research at university hospitals earn $120,000 to start, right out of their residencies. In fact, that is considered a poor starting salary. Lawyers earn similarly high salaries, even in public service oriented jobs. Obama’s salary in the state legislature is a matter of public record. He earned more than I do, with a Ph.D. and three years of postdoctoral training, after more than a decade of teaching. In contrast, most community workers earn $20-30 thousand and their salary does not increase much unless they get grants or become the director of some agency. Those who work in probation and social service agencies earn slightly more ($35-45,000) with a college degree. Obama had a law degree, which is half of my education and about the same as many K-12 teachers. He was not poorly paid. Any of us could make more by entering private industry — all of the people who take service jobs in education and social services sacrifice in that way, most of us a great deal more than Obama and his highly paid wife.

    Now, Obama has written two books and earned several millions from their sales. Who would have cared what he wrote if he hadn’t entered politics? Did he write about public policy problems, like Al Gore has done or like Hillary Clinton did? No. He wrote about himself, in support of his future presidential aspirations. Has he donated the profits to charity, as many politicians do with their self-serving books? No. But, to his credit, he did pay his taxes on the earnings. Before you rush down the trail extolling Obama’s public service, you have to realize that he is just your average politician and he has done little to justify praise for his “sacrifices” prior to claiming this nomination. Even Bill Clinton waited until after his presidency was over to write about his life — and if you read his book you’ll see that it is largely about other people and events during his terms, not about himself. Just compare the first chapters of his book and Obama’s and you’ll see what I’m talking about — you don’t want to pursue this because it is not supportable given the facts of Obama’s life.

    I don’t think Obama was selfish. I think he was average and definitely not self-sacrificing. Just as his life as been privileged and not disadvantaged as he has sometimes tried to portray himself (with his remarks about being raised by his single-mom and his grandmother, who was VP of a bank for God’s sake).

  • Selfish, narcisistic, inexperienced country clubber is a pretty good description of your average Bush administration offical. The only thing lacking is mention of a crazy pastor in the background.

  • Apparently, because Obama managed to help people AND make a good living at the same time, he’s some kind of asshole.

    Unlike Hillary Clinton, who managed to help people AND make money, who’s just sooooo super-cool.

    Please. Spare us this piffle. If anything, Obama AND the Clintons prove it’s possible to be both community-minded and personally successful. Sacrifices and squalor do not have to go hand in hand, unless it’s politically expedient for YOU to think so, BHM

  • 33. On June 27th, 2008 at 11:56 am, wonkie said:
    Selfish, narcisistic, inexperienced country clubber is a pretty good description of your average Bush administration offical. The only thing lacking is mention of a crazy pastor in the background.
    ________________
    Uhhh…Falwell? Robertson?

  • No, Slappy. You guys are assholes for claiming that Obama was self-sacrificing while making a good living. I have said repeatedly that Obama is just an average politician and that I don’t blame him for anything. I blame Steve Benen and you guys for inflating the amount of sacrifice involved.

  • Ah Mary, her prior positions are in the non-profit sector. And as I said before her making a lot of money is not a crime. As for Obama’s work history,being in the legal field, I will say this that Obama working as a civil rights attorney instead as hot shot attorney is rather unusual. That field of law does not at all pay well. The salary doesn’t even come close to being six figures.

  • Before Mary claims Obama is an “average” politician, she should learn a little about his successes in the Illinois Legislature. There’s a reason that a Republican state senator was willing to cut an ad for him; Obama was a leader there who worked hard to get good legislation passed. This included giving health care to all Illinois children, cutting taxes for working-class families, and passing ethics rules, which he also did in the Senate. He worked both sides of the aisle and up and down the state, getting police on board with his bill to videotape all criminal interrogations, ensuring the rights of the accused AND cops interrogating them (there had been a history of police brutality from some Chicago cops).

    Several members of the Illinois Senate, mostly Democratic but a few Republicans, say he’s one of the most effective legislators they’ve ever worked with.

    Neither John McCain nor HIllary Clinton has anywhere near this level of legislative success.

    John McCain has been in Congress for 25 years and has very little to show for it besides McCain-Feingold, which he’s not even following.

    Hillary has had some successes in her eight years as a senator, but much of her “service” before that was serving on boards, not working in the community. There’s a big difference.

    This isn’t Obama “worship.” Many of us supported him from the beginning because we saw what he could do.

  • Ooooh, Black Hole Mary’s getting her hackles raised! YES, Mary, someone can make sacrifices and still make a good living. Your hero Hillary made sacrifices, didn’t she? Did her life go exactly as she prepared it to? Didn’t she have goals that got waylaid for a spell? Her sacrifices worked out in HER favor, by and large, just as Obama’s worked out for him.

    Except Hillary’s a hero, and Obama’s just an average politician. Right. Gotcha. Excuse me, I’m getting optic nerve damage by the amount of times I roll my eyes reading your nonsense.

  • Heard a good one the other day:

    If Obama’s the guy in the country club, who is Rove?

    He’s the guy who quit the country club when they admitted Obama.

  • Ethics and politics do not match. But the difference between the two parties is historically consistent with their origins. Before we were a nation two priorities dominated our consciousness. People came here for freedom and opportunity. Freedom to believe and live. Opportunity to build and own. The freedom group became Democrats. The opportunity group became Republicans. The freedom group prioritized people over property. The opportunity group prioritized property over people. Every piece of legislation, or high court ruling or executive decision flows from this distinction. The republicans became prominent with the Industrial revolution. They consolidated their priority with the Civil War and its aftermath. The Democrats became prominent with the depression and failed to consolidate their people over property by assuming power meant being pleasingly corrupt. This present administration has taken its priority to new lengths. Change is needed. Bush certainly supports his bases by railing against taxes for the well off and free market free of all oversight and regulations. Now we are at a point of ruining all our social institutions, incredible debt, weak financial backing and a ruined defense. All because of this obsession with property over people (their rights, their ability to make it and their security). Lies and deceit form the spin machine. Greed is counted as right. Biblical injunctions are words lost on the power driven few who will do anything to keep it and increase it.

  • Why does the press repeat all of Karl Rove’s smear messages? No one ever mentions Rove’s own “Larry Craig style” indiscretions. He sure knows how to control the media.

  • Rove’s fantasies about O sound like the Bush we know and loathe: arrogant, rich, self absorbed, insulated, snide, connected, etc. Forget that other than the fact it takes a lot of ego even to think about running for president, and that ego per se is not arrogance, this is nonsense — strange, confusing, a clear cry of help from a suffering psyche. Get this man some serious therapy, stat.

  • (or, for the conspiracy-theorists in the group, close enough to the margin of error for Diebold to do its thing).

    Tut-tut, now – Ohio’s SecState dumped the touch-screens for optical scanners. No more of that Diebold crap in our elections. The new ballots were tested in the primaries, and they are simple to use, easy to read and can be recounted endlessly.

    And the lines moved one helluva lot faster.

  • It appears from reading these messages that some of you think that Democrats making money and helping people is a bad thing and yet those same people would say nothing about the criminal profits that will be coming to cheney, bush and many others from their long (too long) stint in the public sector, supposedly working for the good of the country (they were actually working for themselves and their rich buddies). These past 8 years have taken war profiteering to a new level all in the name of “protecting” our country, bringing “democracy” to the ME.

  • I am not overly fond of McCain yet he is doing something that Obama has not and probably never will. That is publicly stating a coherent energy policy. Whether or not you agree with it, is another matter, but at least he’s stating where he stands (though it may be subject to change). Obama in contrast has yet to state anything beyond tax the Oil companies, which will do nothing to increase the supply of energy to our country or improve alternative technologies. Similarly Obama has been loath to state any stand on anything. He did say that people who rape young children shouldn’t be shielded from the death penalty. Wow, that’s really going out on a limb there, but that’s typical Obama playing to peoples emotions without giving them anything of intelectual substance to analyze. That’s probably why Republicans have not been able to stick a label on him.

  • Rove uses his position to post propaganda. He’s proven himself to be a gutter political technician he’s one step ahead of the jailer whose has lied so many times and is such a campaign snake that it boggles the mind to understand why anyone would listen to a single thing he says.

    McCain’s bipartisanship has most always been with conservative dems.

    And yes…with this current republican obstructionist disaster I certainly want to replace republican partisanship with democratic partisanship. You don’t compromise with disaster you get rid of it.

    The nerve of republicans to think they should be allowed to continue as much of this disaster as they possibly can in the name of bipartisanship is laughable and insulting. They only scream for bipartisanship when they are in the minority.

    I think I can safely say the country has had enough of this republican disaster to last 100yrs.. Dems will be fighting the republicans in their own party enough without having to compromise with these neocon conservatives who try to make sure government can’t work and should be replaced with a corporatocracy who is selling our country off to foreign interests just to increase their profiteering…and screw the American people.

    Go away mad if you have to but by all means go away to your corporate handlers.

  • Gayle*** din’t you see the line under the Liebermann article about the track star who runs in the wrong direction and someone saying yeah but look at how fast he is?

    McCain’s incoherent energy policy is no policy with a lot of rhetoric. Obama has spoken about his energy policy but should do it more and be more inclusive about his plan to use alternative energy.

    The mis information about supply is a lie. The supply is being regulated by the oil companies to keep the prices high as shown by the huge profits they are making. They are also responsible for prolonging dependence on oil by negating alternative sources like not meeting emission standards and making high mileage hybrid or electric cars. In a short period solar energy could be used to supply at least 20% of our heating and cooling needs nationwide yet oil lobbyists stand in the way of such policies.

    McCain is offering nothing but bullshit on energy which is no policy at all…just a lot of talk with the same bottom line…billions in profits for the oil companies.

  • gayle, it would help if instead of just uncritically accepting right-wing talking points, you actually used that computer you seem to have access to for a little research.

    Obama was actually promoting a broader, more comprehensive energy plan before McCain ever stuck his finger in the wind and found it was blowing towards energy issues.

  • I am a former Republican, but now am an independent. I voted for Bush twice, but now regret it! I supported Ron Paul during the primaries, but the Republicans were too enamored with having their heads up their rear ends, to support the only candidate who is really and truly conservative. The illogical neoconservatives who have taken control of my party, have driven me out of it. The one thing that I cannot stand is Stupid. And the neoconservatives like Bolton, Fieth, Wolfowitz, Cheney, etc., who had so much influence on this tragic Bush administration, are either the stupidest group of smart people or of the smartest group of really stupid people that ever were. I am on my urban Texas County’s Republican executive committee. I have noted that there are no people of color on it. While about 65% of the people in my county are white, about 75% of the people in the county below the age of 30 are not. The Republicans are going to find themselves demographically insignificant if they don’t successfully reached out to nonwhite citizens. Because of the way the neoconservatives have mocked Ron Paul, who unlike McCain, does not flip-flop, I am resigning my membership in that executive committee, and I want the Republican Party to be beaten, crushed, humiliated, and kicked around so bad that they creep back to their doghouse like the mangy Curr-dogs they have become. Perhaps then and go back to traditional Republican principles: lower taxes, less government, no foreign interventions, ending the American Empire of approximately 800 basis overseas, and no more deficit spending that is bankrupting the country. Until that happens, I will reluctantly support the Democrats. Given the Democrats caving in and approving the FISA, bill I have no faith that they will initiate war crimes charges against the Bushies, but I sure hope they do!

  • I read through all of the other postings, after doing my post. I do not normally ‘take shots’ at other people in this sort of a situation, but I feel compelled to respond to Mary at #32. While I agree with a lot of what she said, part of it was just plain silly and uninformed. She would lead you to believe that lawyers consider an income of $100,000 plus as low. The truth of the matter is that the average income of lawyers in this country is less than $80,000 per year. She also denigrates a law degree, claiming that it is no more difficult to obtain than a teacher for K-12. That is also nonsense! A teacher has to have a four year college education, whereas a lawyer has to have that four years plus an additional three years of law school. The JD which appears after a lawyer’s name stands for Juris Doctorate, which is as much of a doctrinal degree as her Ph.D. She talks about having three years of education beyond her Ph.D.. If that claim is true, she has been in college/training for over 10 years. I do not know what what academic field requires that, but she was foolish to go into it if she is unhappy about the money she’s earning. She should go get a life!

  • Dorsett, welcome to the fray. And ignore Mary.

    Here’s why…

    Out here in Riverside Co., we have several diary farms around. One farm, The Bootsmas, have recycling down to an easy science. The cow poop is used to fertilized the fields of grasses they eat. They also have a way of siphoning off the excess water from the manure piles while spraying that back on the grass fields. Now while I wouldn’t want to live near these farms because recycle or no, it smells like manure for miles, it’s a beautiful thing to see that pipe spraying out manure water and growing the grass.

    We call it “The Bootsma Shit Squirter”.

    Think of Mary as the Carpetbagger Shit Squirter. She recycles shit and continually sprays it out

    Slappy had another great title for her: Badwill Ambassador of Stupid Town. (slappy – that one made me spit my Mickey’s btw)

  • Gayle, #46: How sneaky of you to use your post to further the ridiculous meme that Obama is all talk with no substance. Then again, maybe you’re just another lazy asshole who, because you didn’t see it on TV, believes it doesn’t exist. But guess what? Obama has a web site. That’s right, his policies are right there on the intertubes for all to see. Here’s a page devoted to his energy policy: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/.

    Please compare that to McCain’s. http://www.johnmccain.com//Informing/Issues/17671aa4-2fe8-4008-859f-0ef1468e96f4.htm Pay special attention to McCain’s commitment to more domestic oil and natural gas exploration, and 100 new nuclear plants!

  • To Gayle @46: “I am not overly fond of McCain yet he is doing something that Obama has not and probably never will. That is publicly stating a coherent energy policy.”

    FALSE. Obama has an energy policy that is much more detailed than Mccain’s. I won’t do your research for you. Go to his website. The fact that you are to lazy to inform yourself should not be used as a negative against Obama. McCains “energy policy” is only coherent in the sense that everyone agrees that it would be ineffective. All economists think the “gas tax holiday” is a joke, and even Mccain says that his recent offshore oil drilling flip flop would have only “psychological” benefits.

    “Whether or not you agree with it, is another matter, but at least he’s stating where he stands (though it may be subject to change).”

    And I am sure like all his other positions, CHANGE it will.

    “Obama in contrast has yet to state anything beyond tax the Oil companies, which will do nothing to increase the supply of energy to our country or improve alternative technologies. Similarly Obama has been loath to state any stand on anything. He did say that people who rape young children shouldn’t be shielded from the death penalty. Wow, that’s really going out on a limb there, but that’s typical Obama playing to peoples emotions without giving them anything of intellectual substance to analyze. That’s probably why Republicans have not been able to stick a label on him.”

    Gayle, he has written two books, has a website which lists very detailed policy positions and he has given numerous speeches which can be accessed on youtube. Are you lazy, ignorant, stupid or just pretending? I vote for the latter. You are a troll regurgitating tired and ineffectual Republican talking points.

  • Vman, great minds think alike;) You made it easy for her to do her research but something tells me she won’t.

  • Thanks, ed. Unfortunately, I think you’re right; she, and many others like her, will not look at, comprehend, analyze, nor form an opinion on the facts. But I hope that blogs like this one will help people to reconsider what they have been spoon fed by MSM/TV ,etc.

  • Comments are closed.