Poll trajectory points to trouble for Clinton campaign

About a month ago, Gallup released a poll showing Hillary Clinton suffering from what it called an “honesty gap.” When poll respondents were asked about the candidates’ honesty and trustworthiness, John McCain did very well (67%-27% in his favor), Barack Obama did nearly as well (63%-29% in his favor), while Clinton fared poorly (44%-53% against her).

Worse, the poll was taken before reports surfaced of Clinton misstating what occurred at a Bosnian airport in 1996. If the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll is any indication, it appears that the situation has not improved.

Lost in the Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign’s aggressive attacks on Barack Obama in recent days is a deep and enduring problem that threatens to undercut any inroads Clinton has made in her struggle to overtake him in the Democratic presidential race: She has lost trust among voters, a majority of whom now view her as dishonest.

Her advisers’ efforts to deal with the problem — by having her acknowledge her mistakes and crack self-deprecating jokes — do not seem to have succeeded. Privately, the aides admit that the recent controversy over her claim to have ducked sniper fire on a trip to Bosnia probably made things worse.

Clinton is viewed as “honest and trustworthy” by just 39 percent of Americans, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, compared with 52 percent in May 2006. Nearly six in 10 said in the new poll that she is not honest and trustworthy. And now, compared with Obama, Clinton has a deep trust deficit among Democrats, trailing him by 23 points as the more honest, an area on which she once led both Obama and John Edwards.

It’s predictable that Clinton would fare poorly on the question among Republicans, but the poll notes that Clinton’s trust level has slipped badly among independents, to 37%, and has even fallen off sharply among Democrats, 63% of whom call her honest, down 18 points from 2006. (Her favorability numbers in general are now lower than at any time since the Post/ABC began asking the question 16 years ago.)

Arguably, this is the worst time for a poll like this to come out. With a likely victory in Pennsylvania on the way, Clinton will once again be in a position to make her strongest electability case to superdelegates. Party leaders will hesitate, however, to rally behind a candidate perceived by most Americans as untrustworthy.

It’s a high hurdle to clear in a very short amount of time.

As for other numbers from the Post/ABC poll — which was conducted between April 10 and April 13, which includes the uproar over Obama’s “bitter” remarks — the numbers appear favorable for the frontrunner.

Sen. Barack Obama holds a 10-point lead over Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton when Democrats are asked whom they would prefer to see emerge as the party’s presidential nominee, but there is little public pressure to bring the long and increasingly heated contest to an end, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The fierce battle, however, appears to have taken a toll on the image of Clinton, who was once seen as the favorite. And Obama has widened his lead since early February on several key qualities that voters are looking for in a candidate and has narrowed sizable advantages for Clinton on others.

He now has a 2-to-1 edge on who is considered more electable in a general contest — a major reversal from the last poll — and has dramatically reduced a large Clinton lead on which of the two is the “stronger leader.”

In hypothetical general-election match-ups, both scenarios are close — Obama leads McCain nationally by five points, while McCain leads Clinton by three.

The real surprise, at least to me, was evidence that Dems aren’t especially anxious to see the contest end. I thought the party was generally concerned about the consequences of a drawn-out primary, but rank-and-file Dems don’t seem especially worried at all: “Two-thirds predict that the length of the battle will either not have much of an impact (50 percent) or will even help (17 percent) the party’s prospects in November.”

Are they watching the same race that I am?

Hillary is clearly an antagonizing figure head. I can hear her saying “You’re despicable!” It’s no wonder her poll figures are going in the dumps. She’s piggy backed Bill all the way to this point. But her reactionary stance to Barack is starting to wear thin.


Hillary Daffy Duck

  • I must admit, I’m doing an about face on this one. I still think that the huge draw of new voters is a plus. The more places Obama actually visits while the primaries “matter”, the more people get past the wall of orange juice and arugula nonsense. That said, Hillary supporters have become virtually extinct. What we see now are nothing more than Hillary defenders and Obama bashers. It may be unfair to Hillary that the media will only show those clips of her bashing him, as issues are left to the bloggers, but she has agreed to play that game. By courting people like Limbaugh and Scaife, she undermines support for good media ethics and American ideals.

  • Clinton has a deep trust deficit among Democrats. Ya think, just look how we turned on her. I was always for Obama but liked Hillary. Now I can’t stand her.

  • It’s a high hurdle to clear in a very short amount of time.

    I don’t think that’s a very fair statement. She cleared the shark by 20 feet about a month ago.

  • Instead of examining where such a public perception comes from and how this swiftboating has been accomplished, you suggest that party leaders should accept it as a fait accompli and base their decisions on it. The point presumably is that Clinton should never become the nominee, even if she wins the popular vote and serious questions emerge about Obama’s electability, since the public perceives of her as dishonest. This strikes me as another blatantly pro-Obama post repeating his campaign memes, but dishonestly presented as if it were news about the election.

  • Are they watching the same race that I am?

    Almost always.

    We the political junkies tend to forget that other people — dare I say “normal people””? — have other concerns and don’t focus obsessively on every twitch and taunt of the campaign. While almost everyone would like to see the commercials go away, the rest of it doesn’t really drive people to distraction.

  • I’m a former-Edwards-now-Obama supporter who, for one, does not mind the protracted primary. The more people see the desperate Hillary, the less they like her, and the more they wonder/worry about what a desperate Hillary will look like and do in the general. Meanwhile, Obama keeps coming across as unflappable. He explains controversy without getting overly defensive. He’s concentrating as much as he can on slamming McCain and only slams Hillary in response to her personal attacks, plus he does it gently and with humor. NO ONE IS BREAKING OBAMA’S STRIDE. And the more the voters see that, the better. I’m really starting to get optimistic about Obama’s chances. I’m starting to think this’ll be a rout.

  • “rank-and-file Dems don’t seem especially worried at all”

    Well this rank-and-file Dem is worried. Every day Hillary gets booed when falsely claiming Obama “attacked” her is a day that could have been spent exposing McCain’s flaws.

  • Hillary’s attacks on Obama amount to a kind of kamakaze strategy – throwing away all the goodwill she had among democratic voters in a desperate attempt to hurt the Democratic nominee enough to take the nomination from him at the last minute. To the activists, it looks as if she’s saying that if she can’t get to be President, then no other Democrat will be allowed to either.

    When we first started hearing talk of Hillary running for President this cycle, I was bemused – why should Democrats go down the same nepotistic route that the Republicans followed so disastrously in choosing Dubya? Certainly no one I knew was all that interested in her candidacy. Then, when it appeared she had everything sewed up, and would be inevitable, I became resigned to another Clinton presidency. It wouldn’t be so bad, I thought. She’d probably manage to get healthcare at least addressed, and the fact of another president Clinton would make wingnut heads explode. Then, after Iowa, as her candidacy imploded, I heaved a sigh of relief, especially as Obama swept the post-super-Tuesday contests. I did feel a bit sorry for Hillary, losing after a period of time where she seemed to be inevitable. But I thought we had a much better choice with Obama, so it was time for her to suck it up and do the right thing.

    However, with this despicable and utterly dishonest onslaught she’s run these past few weeks, I’ve lost all sympathy and admiration for her. Once this is all through, I’d support having a primary challenger to run against her if she tries to go for another Senate term. If she somehow manages to get the nomination I’ll hold my nose and vote for her rather than McCain, but there’ll be much less joy in her winning than there would have been if she’d behaved honorably during this nomination contest.

  • We need to be asking some hard questions here: Why would a party try so hard to smear its demonstrably soundest leader? What are the motivations behind taking a candidate with a blameless history of frankness, candor, probity and reliability and trying to paint her as not worthy of trust? I do not accept the sly insinuations that Clinton’s own comport has anything to do with these polls; that’s what men with agendas want us to believe, but women are not fooled. The issue here is why so many people have been steamrolled into thinking Hillary is dishonest and what these people need to do to correct their own gross errors of thinking and judgment. It’s time for Americans, starting with Democrats, to take an unflinching look at their own shortcomings in this area.

  • It’s a high hurdle to clear in a very short amount of time.

    Geraldine Ferraro and Bob Johnson will soon point out that black men have always had an easier time clearing hurdles.

  • jimBOB at 10: From the bemusement to the resignation to the relief to the revulsion, my story is precisely the same as yours. I could have written every word of your post.

  • Danp, Clinton is leading in PA, Indiana and KY. How can you claim that Clinton supporters are gone? Clinton announced 100 mayoral endorsements (ignored here and otherwise in news). Clinton leads in the number of superdelegates who have announced their leanings. I’m not sure what point you think is proven.

    I post attacks on Obama here but I also post about positive things emerging from Clinton’s campaign that I believe are ignored by the media. Most recently, I posted on her net neutrality support (reported in PC Magazine) and I posted about her program to bolster community policing, which has been compared to Bill Clinton’s previous effective program. I have also tirelessly explained why I support Clinton, despite her Tuzla moment. I believe you have selectively focused on my anti-Obama comments or may be confusing Insane Fake Professor’s noise with my actual comments here. I do not exemplify your point, nor does JoePA or Nell, or the others who have tried to persist here despite the shouting down in this comments section.

    Maligning Clinton occurs here and elsewhere in the progressive blogosphere, but maligning Clinton supporters is just as pervasive. It seems ridiculous for people here to drive out those with a minority view and then turn around and say, “see, Clinton doesn’t have any supporters any more”.

  • I’d been starting to wonder if you ever see Mary and Insane Fake Professor in the same thread, but now I see you do. IFP’s latest is a real gem of sly satire. Nicely done.

  • Hillary didn’t misstate what occurred at a Bosnian airport in 1996. Hillary lied repeatedly about it, until the videotapes caught up with her.

    Obama misspoke, but he didn’t lie. He told a truth we all need to hear.

    Grampy McCain ties to not say anything at all; then, when he blurts out something obviously foolish, makes jokes or takes donuts to distract criticism.

    World of difference.

  • Why would anyone think Clinton is dishonest when the latest morphed image of her shows her as literally two-faced? (See HuffPo) But I’m mocked for suggesting that she has been swiftboated? (See Insane Fake Professor)

  • Geraldine Ferraro and Bob Johnson will soon point out that black men have always had an easier time clearing hurdles.

    Coffee meets monitor!

    It was a liquid leap worthy of Jesse Owens (keeping it within Mary’s frame of reference).

  • I don’t know what to think about Mary and IFP being in the same thread. We should try stop ragging on Mary as much as we do. Jimbob has shown me the light on IFP, I love it.

  • Mary – I’m impressed by Hillary’s 100 mayors event. The Clinton machine is pretty good at wooing superdelegates.

    (I’d have been more impressed if more than 19 mayors had cared to show up, but still not bad. Not being sarcastic, but serious.)

  • Hillary mis-remembered what happened at Bosnia. When you incorrectly remember something, you can restate it repeatedly with the same false content. That is not the same as lying — defined as intentionally telling an untruth. All people tend to misremember their past because memory is not a vidoe-recorder. Memory reconstructs the past, it doesn’t record it. You are blaming Clinton for something that all people do from time to time. The disingenuousness of your comment comes because you know this about memory and yet misrepresent her statements in order to make it appear that she would deliberately lie about something so easily verifiable. That is dishonest too.

  • Hillary mis-remembered what happened at Bosnia. When you incorrectly remember something, you can restate it repeatedly with the same false content.

    Yes, Mary, you keep saying that. However, you never address why you think it’s believable that anyone, particularly a mother accompanied by her own child with whose safety she is ostensibly deeply concerned as almost all parents are, would “misremember” running through a fucking hail of bullets.

    Does that seem bloody likely to you? Do you really think that “misrecalling” being shot at is comparable to mixing up a couple of beach vacation memories or names of childhood friends or something equally non-traumatic? If you really believe that, I’d suggest that there’s something seriously off in your own psychic processes, and if you’re sitting here lying about whether you believe it…well, I’d suggest the same thing.

  • She has lost trust among voters, a majority of whom now view her as dishonest.

    The erosion was inevitable. There is so much flimflam in her campaign that it must eventually ooze out into the public weal. Take, as one small example, this little piece of Clinton logic that the political world has swallowed without too much introspection:

    Clinton argues vociferously that everyone’s vote must be heard…
    And then works to steal the pledged delegates that represent those votes.
    Because: The only way she can win is if everyone’s vote ultimately doesn’t matter!

    Even though the larger world might not seem to be paying attention to these sorts of drop-dead cases of duplicity, they do ooze out over time. The erosion of her character is thus a function of time. In other words: Drip, drip, drip. And here is the deeper insight: She will never recover her former numbers. Dishonesty is a one way street. She has been sullied for all time…

  • Only a true-blue, dyed-in-the-wool, koolaid-sucking fanatic could dare suggest that the politically, philosophically, and ethically valid position of finding Empress Clintonia “untrustworthy” is deemed to be a form of swiftboating.

  • Well, when the Obama ad that features Clinton getting booed, where the boos were amplified and put in the wrong place this might change. I’ll not vote for Obama just because of that.

    Her attacks on Obama don’t go over well, even when he deserves it. It’s not ladylike.

  • Mary @22, I’m sorry but I can’t accept that Clinton’s statements were merely a result of misremembering; there’s just too much distance between the statements and the demonstrable facts. Plus, that distance all just happens to work conveniently in a direction that favors Clinton’s self-interest.

    I’ve known people who casually shade their accounts of their experiences to to favor themselves. It’s an occupational hazard of the upwardly mobile, padding your resume to compete with all the other resume-padders. What it isn’t, however, is an honest mistake.

    Calling someone who points this out disingenuous is kinda weird, though.

  • As an Obama supporter, I agree that the “drawn out” primary is a benefit, at least for Obama and for his prospects in November. Why:

    1. Name recognition: he needs it.
    2. Change the voter mindset: old arguments die slowly.
    3. Organization building and testing: make mistakes now, not in the Fall.
    4. 50 state strategy: Old politics can’t rest.
    5. McCain Who?
    6. Really, let McCain repeat his gaffs for a few months, then try to ‘oops’ his bad ideas.
    7. Attacking Obama appears to help him.

    Over the last month or two, but more and more, every subject appears to revolve around Obama. He has become the defacto President in waiting. Nobody cares anymore what Bush says, no more televised Daily Briefings with Dana Perino, instead we have the typical nit-picking analysis of Obama. Republican pundits, and Hillary pundits just have to give Obama some advice, every time he breaks a rule, or doesn’t use the required language.

    Just imagine, five days we have been discussing a few words, and it is the same script as with Wright: Obama responds, the pundits try to misconstrue what he said. He responds again, more misunderstandings by the press. And what happens? We th people, start figuring out that these pundits have no idea what they are talking about, or just can’t understand English, or just wish to misunderstand for their own purposes. Who loses in all of this? Okay, some people will never vote for a democrat, or Obama, and they will remain outraged, so what. But the vast majority start to figure out that the messengers have an agenda, and it isn’t to convey truth, report facts, or think honestly about an issue.

  • Mary (#5) said:
    Instead of examining where such a public perception comes from and how this swiftboating has been accomplished, you suggest that party leaders should accept it as a fait accompli and base their decisions on it. The point presumably is that Clinton should never become the nominee, even if she wins the popular vote and serious questions emerge about Obama’s electability, since the public perceives of her as dishonest. This strikes me as another blatantly pro-Obama post repeating his campaign memes, but dishonestly presented as if it were news about the election.

    Hi Mary. Unlike some here, I have tried to be respectful in my disagreements with you, so I hope you understand when I disagree with you now. First, people see Clinton as dishonest because she has been caught being dishonest in this campaign. Played an important part in the Irish peace process? Was always against NAFTA? Landing under sniper fire in Bosnia? These are not mere exaggerations or mis-statements. These are fabrications intended to puff up her experience credentials or make her look good to blue collar workers. The problem is these statements simply are not true.

    Now, what swiftboating has there been against Clinton? I just don’t see it. Clinton herself chose to make the statements that have led to this lack of honesty perception. If anyone has been swiftboated, it is Reverend Wright. Yes, the reverend. These clips floating around show tiny moments from whole sermons delivered over years. The comments like GD America are taken completely out of context, so rather than showing him explaining that if America continues certain bad activities then GD America, it is made to look like he simply damns America.

  • Americans do not want to be lied to by their leaders and politicians. We teach our children not to lie and steal so why would we want to elect a lying Politician into the Whitehouse, someone we cannot trust and something we have had enough of the last 8 years. Clinton’s latest story of learning to shoot “ducks” behind the cottage her grandfather built, sounds and smells a lot like “Bosnian Sniper Fire”. Then we have Bill stating “falsely” the following — B. Clinton “[s]ays at campaign railly in Corydon, Indiana that throughout seven stops in North Carolina, ‘Everywhere I go there are all these people with signs, saying I’m not bitter – I’m not bitter.’ ABC’s Sarah Amos says his comments were well-received but ‘not entirely accurate.’ For instance, she says there were no signs at his rallies saying ‘I’m not bitter,’ as he claimed. ” This Political couple has no Shame! America, we have to ask ourselves, which is more eggrecious, a politician telling us the hard truth, the things we may not want to hear but need to hear OR a politician telling us a Fantasy/Lie, like the Bosnia Sniper Fire fabrication and “duck” shooting PERFORMANCE, things we did not need to hear because not Truth, and which is a betrayal of the public trust and a deeply flawed Character Issue. America needs and will demand a President we can trust — who is basically honest, forthright, and Authentic which we have in the body of Barack Obama!

  • Oh please. The supers aren’t going to go her way. At this point I’d swear the remaining supers want her to trash her name and that’s why she’s being allowed to keep going. They didn’t endorse her right away so clearly they’re not loyal Clintonites. Perhaps they don’t even like the Clintons’ but were too afraid of them to go against them publicly. They’re looking less and less powerful every day.

  • Mary gave me the clap.
    Mary gave me the clap.
    Mary gave me the clap.
    Mary gave me the clap.
    Mary gave me the clap.

    Am I lying? Or am I misremembering?

    Mary gave me the clap.
    Mary gave me the clap.
    Mary gave me the clap.
    Mary gave me the clap.
    Unto me, by Mary, the clap was given…

    What? There’s evidence that mary DIDN’T give me the clap? Wow, I guess that changes things.

    Mary gave me the clap.

    Thanks for visiting Analogy Corner. Y’all come back now, ya hear?
    (You must admit, my Southern accent is SO much more believeable than Hillary’s.)

  • (In her best Sally Fields) You don’t like me! You really don’t like me!

    Apparently I should just stop drinking this coffee.

  • Mary opines:

    Hillary mis-remembered what happened at Bosnia. When you incorrectly remember something, you can restate it repeatedly with the same false content. That is not the same as lying — defined as intentionally telling an untruth. All people tend to misremember their past because memory is not a vidoe-recorder. Memory reconstructs the past, it doesn’t record it. You are blaming Clinton for something that all people do from time to time. The disingenuousness of your comment comes because you know this about memory and yet misrepresent her statements in order to make it appear that she would deliberately lie about something so easily verifiable. That is dishonest too.

    I’m wondering if Hillary could ever “mis-remember” something so memorable that Mary and her ilk would accept the premise that their candidate was actually lying. As Maria pointed out in #24, Clinton supposedly “mis-remembered” being with her daughter in a life-threatening situation. This is unlikely in the extreme. And personally, if I believed what Mary does, I would find that kind of gross mental error even more disturbing than the more likely explanation (lying to make herself seem more battle-hardened).

    Mary thinks that Hillary would never lie about “something so easily verifiable”, but I’m sure she’s got a list of things Obama supposedly lied about which are also probably “easily verifiable”. Mary of course is blind to the idea that Clinton may have lied about “something so easily verifiable” because people like Mary would never believe that she would ever do such a thing.

  • Debate Tip:

    When you’re watching the debate tonight, listen for Hillary’s ‘tell’ that she’s lying or making something up. The key words are: “…you know….”

    Seriously. Watch and listen. Every time she says ‘you know’ she’s lying or spinning madly.

    It’s hilarious.

  • When you’re watching the debate tonight, listen for Hillary’s ‘tell’ that she’s lying or making something up. The key words are: “…you know….”

    So true, MFI. And then she gazes ceilingward and to the left, which some researchers think is the direction people most often look when telling a whopper. Jon Stewart imitated it hilariously the other night.

  • Amazing – I can no longer discern the difference between the original Insane Fake Professor and her satirical doppelganger. Poor old Mary is now self-satirizing.

  • Mary (#14) says: Clinton is leading in PA, Indiana and KY. How can you claim that Clinton supporters are gone?

    No, Mary, you need to do more than declare something a “fact” for to to actually be a fact. Clinton’s lead is nearly gone in PA – down from 20+ to barely 5 – she is behind in Indiana, and it’s now a tossup in KY.

    A teacher who isn’t a member of the “reality-based community” is in the wrong profession. I pity the minds you have twisted with your incompetence and idiocy.

  • Uh, you’re correct about PA and IN, Tom, but Kentucky is not a tossup. It’s going 62-26 for Clinton at last count and will probably have the dubious distinction of being the most pro-Clinton state of all. Fortunately, since it’s a boutique state that will never go blue in the general, it doesn’t count.

  • Hillary supporters just don’t get it. It’s the math. To recap, it’s the math. Repeat after me, M-A-T-H.
    My only conclusion for their obdurity is that the Clinton’s would be around to pick up the torch if — god forbid — there was a repeat of June 1968.

  • I haven’t been concerned because Hilary is airing all Obama’s dirty laundry (what there is of it.). It’s old news. She’s not as vicious as the GOP would be, and any sting the GOP might muster has been blunted by Clinton’s early release.

    McCain’s dirty laundry is fresh and ripe for the picking. The later it starts, the more we have to work with.

  • “Sen. Barack Obama holds a 10-point lead over Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton when Democrats are asked whom they would prefer to see emerge as the party’s presidential nominee.”

    In a way that doesn’t much matter, except to the Super Delegates. Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have ten (?) contests left and all that matters is how thoes play out. Once Puerto Rico is done, we can see how the National polls effect the judgement of the Super Delegates.

  • Hillary, face it:

    You can’t always get what you want
    You can’t always get what you want
    But if you try sometime
    You just might find
    You get what you need.

  • And BIG O is both a hypocrite AND a liar.

    What really troubles me about the level of hate directed at Clinton for this lie is that it keeps Obama’s followers from even recognizing the hypocrisy and lies in their own candidate:

    1] How is it not a lie to say that your father met with the Kennedy family before he came to the U.S. to study when in fact your father did no such thing and the Kennedy family was only marginally involved in getting him (and a lot of others) here?

    2] How is it not a lie to take credit for working on immigration reform legislation when in fact all you did was show up at the press conference announcing it?

    3] How is it not a lie to say you were a co-sponsor of mortgage reform legislation when all you did was sign on to the legislation as one of many U.S. Senators, including Sen. Clinton?

    4] How is it not a lie to say, “I don’t take money from lobbyists” and “My campaign doesn’t take money from lobbyists” and “My campaign doesn’t take money from oil companies” when you actually take quite a lot of money from lobbyists, oil company employees, and you have federal registered lobbyists working on your campaign?

    5] How is it not a lie to say that you had no knowledge of what Rev. Wright said in his sermons when in fact you knew over a year ago that his sermons could be trouble and you told him as much?

    6] How is it not hypocritical to say you’re a different kind of politician when in fact you are no different from any elected politician and never have been?

    Tell me, exactly, how these aren’t lies and hypocrisies? Then come back and talk to me about Hillary Clinton’s lies.

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