Prager falls in a hole, forgets to stop digging

Last week, right-wing talk-show host and writer [tag]Dennis Prager[/tag] became something of a laughing stock by arguing that Rep.-elect [tag]Kieth Ellison[/tag] (D-Minn.), Congress’ first Muslim, will literally “undermine American civilization” and “embolden Islamic extremists” if he takes the oath of office on a Koran instead of a Christian Bible. Prager’s Townhall piece, despite its historical and legal inaccuracies, was quickly embraced by the religious right, picked up by the cable networks, and became a real news story.

After widespread condemnation from thinking people everywhere, including plenty of intellectually serious conservatives who wanted nothing to do with his nonsense, Prager has decided to return to the subject in yet another column because, has he sees it, the first piece “seems to have touched a national nerve.”

As a rule, when you fall in a ditch, you should stop digging. Prager clearly hasn’t heard about this.

I never even hinted that there should be a religious test [for public office]. It has never occurred to me that only Christians run for office in America.

Of course not. All Prager wrote in his original column was, “Insofar as a member of Congress taking an oath to serve America and uphold its values is concerned, America is interested in only one book, the Bible. If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don’t serve in Congress.” What would make anyone think this is a religious test?

I agree with the tens of thousands of office holders in American history who have honored the American tradition — I am well aware it is not a law, and I do not want it to be — of bringing a Bible to their ceremonial or actual swearing-in. Keith Ellison is ending that powerful tradition.

No, he’s not. Plenty of Jewish lawmakers have parted with the tradition, and some lawmakers have decided to forgo use of any religious text in the symbolic ceremony altogether. For some reason, Prager has singled out Ellison.

You don’t have to be Christian to acknowledge that the Bible is the source of America’s values…. The founders who were not believing Christians venerated the Bible as the source of America’s values just as much as practicing Christians did.

Prager appears to be unfamiliar with Thomas Paine, the Enlightenment, and anything Thomas Jefferson ever said.

It was understood from the beginning of the republic that liberty is derived from God, not from man alone.

And yet, somehow, those sloppy Founding Fathers managed to write an entire Constitution without mentioning God, the Bible, or Christianity. Must have slipped their minds.

[I]t was Keith Ellison who raised the entire issue of taking an oath on a Koran rather than a Bible.

If this Muslim would only embrace the Christian Bible for his swearing-in ceremony, Prager wouldn’t have felt the need to attack him. Therefore, this is Ellison’s fault.

[T]he first time in American history that a congressman has decided to jettison the Bible for another text should not go unnoticed.

It’s still not the first time, a fact Prager has already been made aware of.

I wrote not a word against Islam or the Koran and made it clear at the beginning of my column that nothing I write is specific to Islam or the Koran.

Then why not attack other lawmakers of minority faiths who forgo use of the Bible in their ceremonies? Why single out the Muslim?

[N]either I nor tens of millions of other Americans will watch in silence as the Bible is replaced with another religious text for the first time since George Washington brought a Bible to his swearing-in.

Still wrong. He and his tens of millions of friends have already sat in silence while the Bible was replaced by other texts in other ceremonies.

It is not I, but Keith Ellison, who has engaged in disuniting the country. He can still help reunite it by simply bringing both books to his ceremonial swearing-in.

Honestly, how does a guy like this get paid to offer political commentary and analysis?

OK, so we’ve established that Prager is spectacularly wrong, but let’s also not overlook an important detail — he’s not just a random right-wing nut, he’s the man the Bush White House appointed to a five-year term on the taxpayer-funded United States Holocaust Memorial Council. A statement announcing Prager’s appointment praised his “unique moral voice.”

Where does the Bush gang find these clowns? For that matter, why give them respected posts in the government?

The man is nucking futz.

I bet his head would literally explode if he ever bothered to go stand in the center of the Jefferson Memorial and read the writings contained therein.

  • Dennis Prager is an idiot. He managed to move right as he did, since on the right an idiot ranks higher than a moron, so to the morons who are now his audience, he appears intelligent. You know, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. He’s right down there with David Horror-witless.

  • You’re wasting your time, CB. Propaganda is not based on facts. It won’t matter how often you debunk this foolish little man’s diatribe. What matters is his “unique moral voice” (cough) and the credulous rubes sucking it all up as a matter of personal gospel.

  • This is a dangerously stupid person. He thinks demonizing moderate Muslims is going to make us safer somehow?

    He thinks instituting a religious test doesn’t “undermine American civilization”?

    He makes statements which are easily falsifiable, and then repeats them after being shown that they are false?

    Where does the Bush gang find these clowns?

    The BushCo clown car has a limitless supply. Put it in the crusher.

  • Wow. I feel sorry for the straw man on this topic. He gets blamed for everything Prager is feeling.

    I think essentially he really is the voice of a large group in this country. He is getting paid for it because people, a lots of them I would imagine, want to here this sort of drivel.

    Just a thought, wouldn’t it be nice if there was a actual ‘Department of Truth’ and every time someone said/wrote what they thought as truth, but wasn’t, they would be fined as well as their employer. An FCC of sorts. I’m really not advocating the truth police, but how do you stop people from stating fiction as fact.

    He will only be rewarded because I bet twice as many people are tuning in then before his original piece.

  • You know, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. -Tom Cleaver

    Actually, it’s the one who claims to have an eye. Since they’re all blind, who knows the truth. These fools just follow wild, off-base statements with no care as to facts or proof.

  • he’s the man the Bush White House appointed to a five-year term on the taxpayer-funded United States Holocaust Memorial Council.

    Clearly, BushBaby thinks the purpose of a Holocaust Memorial is to remember and honor the perpetrators.

    I note the Anti-Defamation League has protested, though in a way I hope Prager stays on. It would only be a matter of time before his bullet-hole riddled, concrete swim trunks-clad, carp nibbled carcasse was found funking up the Tidal Basin.

  • Taking an oath upon a religious text that you don’t subscribe to is kind of like crossing your fingers behind your back. It’s like saying, I’ll swear an oath to this before your God, but not mine.

    I understand that Prager wants to shove the Bible down every one’s throats. What he doesn’t understand is that forcing non-Christians to swear upon the Bible puts the Bible in the most irrelevant context possible. It suddenly becomes a empty prop, with no religious significance whatsoever.

    It seems to me that this dolt is demanding the very same thing he is railing against.

  • Check out the ISG report:

    RECOMMENDATION 40: The United States should not make an open-ended commitment to keep large numbers of American troops deployed in Iraq.

    RECOMMENDATION 41: The United States must make it clear to the Iraqi government that the United States could carry out its plans, including planned redeployments, even if Iraq does not implement its planned changes. America’s other security needs and the future of our military cannot be made hostage to the actions or inactions of the Iraqi government.

    #40 could be taken to mean the Bush position (no open-ended commitment, we will leave when Iraqis stand up) or the Dem position (no open ended commitment, we WILL start leaving in 4-6 months).

    #41 how do we “make it clear”? This is just #40, reworded.

    I guess this is what “bipartisan report” means – a collection of words set in vague terms so that all members of a right-of-center assembly of old people can agreee on it.

    http://www.usip.org/isg/iraq_study_group_report/report/1206/index.html

  • Prager needs to learn to turn the other cheek a bit more often if he is to profess his faith, particularly in public. -Kevo

  • Doubtful :

    “You know, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. -Tom Cleaver”

    Well, why not Tom Cleaver ?
    Actually, this is an old french proverb : ” au royaume des aveugles, les borgnes sont rois ” …

    Let’s say it’s a worldwide truth 🙂

  • Ah, Prager the idiot.

    On another point. CB, the Constitution is not a document from the beginning of the republic. It was written years later after we got sick of the Article of Confederation.

    Now the Declaration:
    “Introduction: When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

    “Preamble: We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.”

    No reference to the Bible or Christianity true, but rather clear references to God.

    Of course the Founding Fathers were the kind of people who would consider religions just as ways of understanding God, and not think that each religion had their own God, unlike Theocratic Reactionaries like Prager.

  • kevo–I think that turning the other cheek is a Jesus thing, so Prager isn’t necessarily bound by that.

  • It is not I, but Keith Ellison, who has engaged in disuniting the country.

    It takes two to disunite, or something like that. Prager’s point of view has a long history in conservatism: “If only those people would keep to the kitchen/not get uppity/stay in the closet, then we’d all get along fine.”

  • Another RWauthoritarian living in fear of something that does not exist. It is the MO of the fascist, fear everything you know nothing of, and know nothing so you can be justified in living in fear!

    Schmuck!

  • There is SO much I’m confused about…

    Why would Prager address all those hate-filled leftists who used curse words and therefore showed their “immaturity and loathing for higher civilization” instead of addressing those who politely pointed out that Ellison is not the first to not use the Bible?

    Way to take the higher ground, Sir.

    Also, if it’s “moot” that his swearing-in with the Koran has nothing to do with taking an oath on the book he holds sacred (as he’ll already have been sworn in), why are we still talking about this?

    Lastly – how can he still be making the “point” that no one in history has ever used a book that wasn’t the Bible?

  • Charles Nathan VanCott once said, “It doesn’t matter what they’re saying as long as they are talking about you.”

    This is more national publicity than Prager has ever received before and he’s eating it up. As long as blogs like Carpetbagger and fools like me keep making public comments he will keep it up.

    If we ignore him, he’ll go away.

  • Yeah, I bet a lot of Jews are really happy with this crackpot telling them how they have to solemnize their civic duties. His essay was one of the more pathetic, unpersuasive pieces of rhetoric I’ve looked at recently.

  • #5 ScottW Just a thought, wouldn’t it be nice if there was a actual ‘Department of Truth’

    Been thinking the same thing. Even intelligent, honest people can be confused when there is SO much lying going on. There is a minimum amount of truth that is essential for a free society to work. I wonder if we are getting close the tipping point.

    Gates should use some of his money to start a bipartisan, top shelf organization to rapidly expose blatant lying(do what the the press sort of used to do). I bet a lot of lying cowards would become just cowards if the threat of exposure was real.

  • I bet a lot of lying cowards would become just cowards if the threat of exposure was real.

    Nah. They’d become staunch defenders of the First Am (after looking at it for the first time in their miserable lives).

    With many a comparison betwixt themselves and African-Americans, women, gays, lesbians and other frequent targets of their bile they would go scurrying to the ACLU for protection.

    Once the danger was past and a few sound bites about this great country and the founding fathers and such they would return to the regularly scheduled round of Constitution shredding, ACLU bashing and bigotry. Amazing what you can do if you decide to give up reality.

  • Prager sits on the board of the American Holocaust Memorial Museum. He was appointed by Bush.

    So a bigot and a racist sits on the board of an institution dedicated to remind everyone what horrors bigotry and racism can bring.

  • Prager uses the same thought process to produce his opinions on any topic. He fails to discern that his opinion is not based on logic but a rationalization of his prejudices.

  • One question. When are all of you going to quit drinking the ‘Kool-Aid’ that the left so happily doles out? They’ve indoctrinated you all well.

    I’d offer more constructive criticism but seeing the shallow depth of your commentaries and your ad hominem attacks it would be a waste of my time. Kind of like teaching a pig to sing.

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