Putting missile defense on the table

As campaign issues go, missile defense isn’t generating much in the way of attention, but it might end up being a subject of a pretty interesting debate.

John McCain, for example, loves missile defense systems, which he believes are “critical” to protect the country. His campaign argues, “America should never again have to live in the shadow of missile and nuclear attack. As President, John McCain will not trust in the “balance of terror” to protect America, but will work to deploy effective missile defenses to safeguard our people and our homeland.”

On the other hand, we have Barack Obama, who’s been quite candid about his opposition to the status quo on missile defense. In fact, the senator recently explained his desire to shift federal resources away from an “unproven missile defense system.” Obama has said he’s open to the concept, but only if missile defense can be “developed in a way that is pragmatic, cost-effective and will work.” He’s also rejected what he calls the “weaponizing of space.”

With this in mind, Time has a good item in its new issue explaining, “[T]he more than $120 billion spent over 25 years to build the “Star Wars” missile shield has not left the U.S. less vulnerable to attack — some would argue that it has done exactly the opposite, by diverting resources away from dealing with more urgent and plausible threats.”

Those who fear a missile strike on the American mainland from North Korea or Iran — not that either is anywhere close to achieving such capability – the investment in a missile shield, even one whose efficacy is far from clearly established, may seem worthwhile. To those who believe the more salient and insidious threats are those of the type we experienced on 9/11, this shield against a handful of rogue missiles represents an unfortunate diversion of funds that could be used far more effectively to defend the U.S.

The growing consensus among national-security professionals is that a deadly weapon targeting the U.S. is far more likely to be delivered hidden in a shipping container than in the warhead of an intercontinental ballistic missile. But the $10 billion a year the Pentagon devotes to missile defenses is almost twice the amount the U.S. spends on defending the nation’s borders and ports from smuggled weapons.

This sets up a helpful contrast. The Republican presidential candidate thinks the current priorities make sense, and want to keep them in place. The likely Democratic candidate doesn’t (Hillary Clinton’s record on the issue is more “ambiguous“).

From Time’s report:

The nation “continues to assign a higher priority to programs designed to confront conventional military threats, such as ballistic missiles,” says terror expert Stephen Flynn, “than [to] unconventional threats, such as a weapon of mass destruction smuggled into the United States by a ship, train, truck or even private jet.” The same logic led the country to spend 20 times more, last year, on protecting military bases than on safeguarding the infrastructure of U.S. cities. “We essentially are hardening military bases,” Flynn told Congress recently, “and making civilian assets more attractive, softer targets for our adversaries.”

The Pentagon’s Missile Defense Agency, working out of Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado, has military officers peering at computer screens 24/7, looking for telltale signs of missile launches. An array of satellites and a huge floating radar in the Pacific are linked through those officers to ground-based missiles in Alaska and California and interceptor missiles aboard Navy warships. Since 2001, the Pentagon has shot down 34 out of 42 test missiles it has targeted. Critics contend the tests don’t replicate real-world conditions, because the timing and trajectory of the target “incoming” missiles are known beforehand to those trying to shoot them down. These test “attacking” missiles also don’t deploy accompanying decoys designed to confuse any interceptors. Pentagon officials say today’s system is needed because rogue states might develop their missiles in secret, and fire them at the U.S. without testing. Each of those questionable assumptions makes it less likely that the missiles would work, but missile-defense boosters say that risk can’t be ignored.

Vice President Dick Cheney heralded the program’s 25th anniversary – and the continuing need for it – at a gathering hosted by the Heritage Foundation In Georgetown’s Four Seasons hotel on March 11. “In 1972, nine countries had ballistic missiles,” he said. “Today, it is at least 27, and that includes hostile regimes that oppress their own people, seek to intimidate and dominate their neighbors, and actively support terrorist groups.”

But Joseph Cirincione, a missile-defense expert recently named president of the pro-disarmament Ploughshares Fund, told Congress a week earlier that the missile threat faced by the U.S. actually has declined in recent decades. Two-thirds of the nations cited by Cheney “have only short-range ballistic missiles with ranges under 1,000 kilometers – basically Scuds. This is often ignored when officials or experts cite the 30 countries with ballistic missile capability.” The long-range missiles threatening the U.S. have shrunk by 71% over the past 20 years, he said, and are based in Russia and China.

The nature of the threats against the United States has changed considerably since Reagan proposed a “Star Wars” system 25 years ago. One gets the sense that John McCain’s worldview hasn’t changed with them.

Yeah…whatever.

The Russians have already started producing missiles that will evade space based missile defense systems, and the N. Koreans aren’t interested in nuking us…they’re after Tokyo (btw, a good many S. Koreans would cheer that move).

It’s an offensive weapon. It probably won’t stop a single, rogue shot and it won’t stop a full, Russian barrage. But if we were to launch a first strike, eliminating most of, say, Russia’s arsenal, then a defense system could handle what did get off the ground.

The Russians have seen it as an offensive system from the beginning. Had Reagan been willing to give it up, Gorbachev would have gone even further…possibly to full disarmament.

  • “[T]he more than $120 billion spent over 25 years to build the “Star Wars” missile shield…

    Once again, someone has failed to get the memo about the Republican Corporate Socialist Welfare State.

    How many MBAs would we have shaking begging bowls on public streetcorners, were it not for this crucial program to provide last-chance employment to the otherwise-unemployables?

  • For him to win in November it is extremely important to emphasize the part in bold:

    In fact, the senator recently explained his desire to shift federal resources away from an “unproven missile defense system.” Obama has said he’s open to the concept, but only if missile defense can be “developed in a way that is pragmatic, cost-effective and will work.”

    Here’s why:

    Americans have been pounded with the fear of incoming ballistics for three generations now. Any “liberal” hinting that it is time to kill a program that knocks satellites out of the sky, or ICBMs, or even quitting the R&D that might someday help us a blast a bolide…. will make many Americans a little uneasy. He must be wary not to build McCain’s credentials as the Great War-proven Granddaddy who will protect us from all manner of harm. Remember: Fear sells.

    Ergo, I don’t see this as a winning issue for him. And that’s why I think he must emphasize “accountability” for the program rather than defeat.

    Once he is in office, of course, he can do as he sees fit.

  • Thats assuming that Obama is the nominee and as I see it hes still a little short of 2025

  • While a proposition which is demonstrably false, such as the idea that we might be able to build a missile defense system such as is being described, can technically be called “unproven,” ‘proven to be unachievable’ would be much more accurate.

    It should be pointed out explicitly that recent moves by Russia to 1) build more MIRV Topal missiles 2) fly bombers over US Navy fleets and skirt US airspace are a direct result of this administration’s insistence of backing out of the the ABM treaty in order to pursue a missile defense policy which (because it can’t work) 1) will fail to make anyone safer 2) increase the threat to the countries which agree to extract $billions for allowing these installations in their countries 3) give Russia and China more excuses to build more missiles (making India more likely to do so, making Pakistan more likely to do so, making Iran more likely to do so, making Israel more likely to do so….).

  • McStain’s dick MUST be no more than a cm. long…

    The US anti-missile program is designed for offensive applications: knocking down opponents’ satellites.

    That’s why the Defense Mullahs on the Potomac freaked right the fuck out when the ChiComs brought down one of their own stellites, and why they had to shoot down one of their own…

  • Only $120 billion after 25 years?!?! That’s less than a year in Iraq. Obviously the problem is we are not throwing enough money at it. McCain knows he’ll have the Repubs full support to more than double, triple the budget to protect us from rouge missiles from evil doers everywhere! [/snark]

  • I’m going to have to agree with jhm. The Bush policy of preemptive attack of only non-nuclear nations and missile defense has pushed several borderline states into making nukes rather than getting rid of them, and has caused Russia and China to increase rather than decrease their nukes.

    Given that it also doesn’t work, it would seem we are flushing a lot of money down a rat hole. But then, somebody is getting rich and too often it seems the Republican “moral imperative” programs is just another name for highway robbery of the Federal government.

    This didn’t stop 911, and it won’t stop the next 911.

  • The informed consensus in Russia is that the Missile Defense System is designed to “mop up” any remaining Ballistic Missile launches carried out by a devastated Russia following a U.S. first strike that takes out most of their missiles in their silos or in the warmup for launch. This would, in theory, allow America to execute a first strike without worrying too much about the inevitable counterstrike – an insurance policy, if you will; hedging one’s bet. Against this framework, it is easy to see why the Russians are antsy at the notion of missile interceptors positioned on their doorstep, in Poland. They don’t believe they are sited thus to guard against “a rogue missile attack from Iran” any more than you should, especially considering the Bush administration’s war planners now believe a nuclear war is winnable, and use that premise as a basis for policymaking.

    So, you see, the system would not likely have to go up against a wave of incoming missiles; more likely a dozen or so, if everything worked out according to plan. And again, for something to work as a deterrent and allow you to pretty much get your own way, you don’t have to actually do it – you just need to demonstrate that you could.

    This scenario more or less ignores the Ballistic Missile threat from Russian submarines, but the fleet is shrinking, and remaining platforms are becoming more costly to support. Perhaps that’s the reasoning, although it’s still a force to be reckoned with.

  • So North Korea or Iran, whose leaderships go to incredible lengths to remain in power (making me think that they have an extremely strong desire to stay alive), are going to threaten the greatest military power in the world with a couple of missiles built with less-than-reliable technology?

    Are the defenders of NMD that fucking stupid to use this rationale?

  • The countries that have the economy and technology available to fling some serious missiles at this nation will also have the means to come up with something that we won’t be able shoot down because by the time we get a missile defense system up it will to defend against yesterday’s now outmoded technology.

    The peoples most likely to launch an attack on this nation will not have the money nor technology to launch a missile at us from the other side of the world, but they will display the same ingenuity that was shown on 9/11 to attack us in ways we won’t expect.

    It is far easier and cheaper to send diplomats flying through the air on jets to resolve our problems before they reach a head among those who oppose us than to send anti-missile missiles flying through the air to shoot down something they launched at us out of a pique of anger with this nation. Wy do we insist on being the most expensively armored Goliath on the planet when there are plenty of David’s out there with cheap slingshots that can still bring us to our knees, if we chose to let things get to that point.

  • Now, who played a behind the scenes roll in our nation throwing 120 billion up a dead hogs ass?

    If you look you’ll find the True Father of the conservative movement molded the new right… they have been made into his image.

    Via Who’s Driving the Bus? posted in October 2004:

    (17) [Sun Myung] Moon brags that he was asked to push Star Wars by a member of a couple of his front groups and top Star Wars backer, Lt. Gen. Daniel O. Graham. Odd enough that a man of Graham’s stature, a man who served as a Reagan military advisor, would feel Moon was the man to go to for this type of effort, but the fact is Moon was exactly the person to go to. Moon says he gave his support and stated he used the Washington Times to promote Star Wars. You may support Star Wars today, but the scientists in 1983 concluded the technology for Star Wars was at least 20 years into the future and they have been proven correct. But the bigger point is, is Moon the one we want tipping the balance in our government’s decisions of this kind?

    But who is the author of the Reagan doctrine? SDI, commonly known as the Star Wars program was not widely supported by Reagan and others in government. General Daniel Graham, the founder of SDI came to Father and asked him for support saying it was a crucial program for the nation’s security. Father pledged his support. SDI was promoted and finally the defense department and the White House became convinced it was a good idea. Three weeks later Reagan announced in the State of the Union message that SDI would become part of the national defense program. If SDI was not created at that time, the existence of the Patriot missile would be impossible. The Patriot is an offspring of the SDI program. American people today know how valuable that program is. They say, “Thank God for SDI.” thank God for Reverend Moon.(note: the Patriot Missile was proven to have been a complete failure during the 1991 Gulf War) (Sun Myung Moon, “Sun Myung Moon speaks on True Parents’ birthday.” A speech given by Moon at the Grand Ball Room, World Mission Center, New York, on Feb. 20, 1991.)

    Because of communist influence, American people and others opposed and nearly trashed the SDI program. But the Washington Times encouraged Reagan’s support for this, and this helped save the free world. (Sun Myung Moon, “Sunday Morning Hoon Dok Hae and Sermon.” A speech given by Moon at the Belvedere International Training Center on Aug. 29, 1999.)

    Further notes from the same speech:

    During this time the conservative movement became dominant In 1984, Father was in Danbury from where he commanded the Unification forces to support Reagan again.

    Reagan was not interested in the SDI, commonly called star wars, program. How can we shoot down flying missiles? The founder of SDI, Gen. Grant,(Graham) asked Father to save this program. He said he would help to support the defense program. The Washington Times was mobilized, then Reagan was convinced and announced this at the state of the union address. This was the basis of the Patriot missile, an offspring of the SDI program. Today people say, “Thank God for the SDI program.” (Rev. Sun Myung Moon True Parent’s Birthday February 20, 1991 World Mission Center New York Unofficial Notes.)

    Side note: Lt. Gen. Graham admitted that the $200,000 to make a propaganda film to keep the money flowing to Star Wars was from the Moon organization.

    Graham: “It cost a lot of money to produce it — $200,000 — and Grant said he could raise the $200,000. Now Grant is supported substantially by the Reverend Moon — and I’m sure that’s where the money came from to produce that movie.”

    Narrator: According to Graham, the film has been seen on four hundred television stations.

    link last excerpt via FRONTLINE:
    http://www.mediachannel.org/originals/moontranscript.shtml

  • Missile Defense= Socialism in action.

    It’s a pretty simple equation. ICBMs are very expensive, requiring lots of money, and, oh!, lots of people to build and maintain them.

    They are, in essence, the Military Industrial Complex in a nutshell– a massive (almost) self-sustaining economy based on something which has limited value.

    This isn’t at all to say that ICBMs don’t have their purpose– after all, their mere presence has certainly changed the past 50 years of history, despite their non-use.

    But then, shouldn’t that be the point? We have enough deterents from these direct threats: obliteration on our return strike to any actual attack has proven quite a worthy deterent to the types of people which can be deterred by such.

    Missile defence, actually, undermines MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) by taking away the balance which is achieved by two sides having the capability. All that we achieve by having a successful missile defence system is bringing Russia back into the game, since we would have it, and they wouldn’t…

    Oh, yeah, and this time, we have China to worry about, too…

  • Assuming it worked 100%, would you fire a missile at the US?
    Assuming it DIDN’T work, would you fire a missile at the US?

    Funny thing about ICBMs…. you know where they CAME FROM.There’s this little thing called “trajectory” as well as satellite surveillance…

    If you eat BS with a spoon, you’re convinced that nutjob leaders from Islamofascist nations are suicidal and don’t mind the US knowing who nuked them. In which case Star Wars makes perfect sense.

    If you’re rational and like Star Wars it’s because you make money from it or accept money from the guys who make money from it.

    Me, I’d spend money on intel.

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