Putting Rumsfeld to a ‘no confidence’ vote

Following up on an item from last week, the congressional Dems’ idea for a “[tag]no confidence[/tag]” [tag]vote[/tag] on Donald [tag]Rumsfeld[/tag] seems to be gathering steam.

Under assault from Republicans on issues of national security, congressional Democrats are planning to push for a vote of no confidence in Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld this month as part of a broad effort to stay on the offensive ahead of the November midterm elections.

In Rumsfeld, Democrats believe they have found both a useful antagonist and a stand-in for President Bush and what they see as his blunders in Iraq…. Democrats and some Republicans had maintained that Bush has never held anyone in his administration accountable for decisions in the Iraq war that many military analysts say went disastrously wrong. The decisions include not mobilizing enough troops to keep the peace, disbanding the entire Iraqi army and purging all members of Saddam Hussein’s Baath Party — including teachers and low-level technocrats — from the Iraqi government.

“Secretary Rumsfeld’s stewardship of this effort is a failure, and he has let down our armed forces,” said Rep. Rahm Emanuel (Ill.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, who is pushing for the no-confidence move.

I think this is definitely a cause worth pursuing. Dems are pushing the notion of “accountability” hard this fall, and there’s no better way to show it than to put lawmakers on the record: do you have confidence in Rumsfeld’s abilities at the Pentagon or not? It’s also a sign of Democratic aggressiveness — going on the offensive against an administration figure many Republicans are loath to support.

Indeed, Dems are pursuing this with an unusual degree of gusto.

…Emanuel said the move is set. And he hopes to stage the resolution with as many as 12 retired generals and other military officers who have called for Rumsfeld’s resignation.

“We’re going to go for a no-confidence vote on Rumsfeld,” Emanuel said.

Senate Democrats are considering a similar move. Next week, Sen. Barbara Boxer (Calif.) will offer a sense-of-the-Senate resolution demanding Rumsfeld’s resignation.

First, of course, there’s the question of whether the vote can actually reach the House floor (Dems are reportedly “exploring the parliamentary mechanisms” now). After that, there’s the question of whether this might have any effect on the administration. RedState, a far-right blog, said Dems would only solidify Rumsfeld’s position.

It seems to me that if their goal is really to get rid of Mr. Rumsfeld, they’re barking up the wrong tree here. The history of the last six years tells us that there’s no surer way to keep Donald Rumsfeld in office than to call for his resignation. He doesn’t respond well to such pressure, and more to the point President Bush really doesn’t like it.

Fair enough, but that’s missing the point. Congressional Dems don’t actually believe the president will see the resolution and say, “Well, Congress doesn’t like Rumsfeld, so he’s got to go.”

Rather, this is symbolic politics. Rumsfeld’s tenure has been a disaster. Is it so unreasonable to think lawmakers should have something to say about it? Particularly in an election year when voters want to know where lawmakers stand on national security and the war in Iraq?

Just counting the Republican votes for it would be amusing. Other than that, not much point.

  • “there’s no surer way to keep Donald Rumsfeld in office than to call for his resignation”

    Rumsfield in office is as much liability to Bush as Scotty was as press secretary. We should have demanded that Scotty resign too.

  • Of course I don’t believe this will get to the floor but if it did, watching the fancy footwork of all those Republicans that are supposed critizing the president and Rummy but who don’t vote for “no confidence” will be amusing and telling for their constituents…. Saying all that, if it got to the floor, and if it passed I don’t think that it will have any affect at all Rummy will stay because either Bush loves Rummy, or he doesn’t want to look weak by firing him, or he can’t find someone who want the damn job and what it has become (at least until Bush/Cheney is out office) under Rummy.

  • This is a genius idea.

    A vote against the measure would indicate that Rummy is doing a heck of job in Iraq. And the polls show that the rest of the country is not feeling the same way.

    If they vote for it, it really helps the dems look strong on the war front. It show that we are not about to sit around and stay the course, we do not agree with the way this war is being run. And most importantly, it show that we want change.

    And if by some miracle it does get to vote, it will pass. Then the President is really in a corner, get ride of Rummy because of a dem initiative, or stay the course.

    It is one of the best wedge plays I have seen in a while.

  • Wow, those redstaters sure have drank the kool-aid with gusto. I guess in their minds Rumsfeld is another towering figure of the Bush administration loathed only by the Kosite democrat Ward Churchill terrorist-loving crowd.

    It really doesn’t matter whether this even comes up for a vote, just pushing for it and getting attention brought to it will benefit the dems. Rumsfeld is quickly becoming a political punchline, any focus on him is good.

  • Just a niggling thought. How is this different from the way the Repubicans were wasting Congress’ time with their “values” issues to fire up their base?

  • What’s really interesting to me about this is that it will put “Straight Talk” McCain in one hell of a spot.

    His main point of pushback against critics who claim that he’s gone too far in his embrace of Bush is that he bashes Rumsfeld. But voting “no confidence” in him will further alienate some of the true believers on the right, who already distrust him.

    If this is in the Dem strategists’ heads, credit is due–it’s the sort of multi-purpose piece of political theater our guys so rarely come up with.

  • Sometimes trying to hold accountable the likes of Mr. Rumsfeld, a true American scoundrel, is like trying to catch a lamprey in the middle of the sea with only your bare hands. I like the idea of a no confidence vote. It makes sense since the Republicans in Congress have abdicated their legitimate oversight duties. -Kevo

  • Just a niggling thought. How is this different from the way the Repubicans were wasting Congress’ time with their “values” issues to fire up their base? -Dale

    It’s not a biennial event occurring in even numbered years to subvert the will of the people as a whole?

  • 1. This isn’t aimed at Rumsfeld or Boosh, but at voters. The Repug rep in my district is desperately trying to distance herself from priznat (despite her 90+% record of voting with him). Forcing her into an up-or-down on Rummy would put her in a real bind at just the time she wants everyone to think of her as “independent.”

    2. Dale: Polls indicate that the public does not support Rumsfeld, just as it does not support amendments re flag burning or gay marriage. The GOP is pumping up their lunatic fringe by pushing initiatives that have no chance because the people do not want them. The Dems are pushing to get rid of Rumsfeld, who the people do not support. The effort may have no chance to succeed, but they are doing the business of the majority of people, rather than a subsection of the party’s base. In both cases, the Dems are pushing the will of the public while the GOP nurtures a small, increasingly unpopular base.

  • Sorry, but it’s unfair to characterize Redstate as a “far-right” blog. They’re actually one of the only semi-honest conservative voices out there in Blogistan. Done on the Kos model allowing comments and multiple contributors, you’ll often find fair criticisms of liberal stances and we’ve-got-to-admit-it-the-liberals-are-right-on-this-one criticisms of Republicans.

    Not that I often agree with things on Redstate, but I recommend it as a place to go to (1) find out what the enemy’s thinking is, the better to prepare our side and (2) challenge our own dogma. If you like, you can even sign up to make comments and try to reason with them.

    CB, you wouldn’t like being called “far-left”, as if that put you outside of the reasonable spectrum of debate.

  • Unfortunately, those lily-livered Democrats currently facing re-election struggles have already tossed in courage towel. None of them is interested in having a yes-or-no vote on the continuation of the Iraq Quagmire. By showing no real courage (not really all that courageous, with 67 percent of the electorate opposed to the “war”) they reveal themselves to be the sheep-like, Shrub-kissing cowards they are, Voting to “boo” Rummy would be heart-warming, but (1) it ain’t gonna happen and (2) it wouldn’t matter to the real world (the Quagmire) if it did.

  • Besides the headline of an up-or-down vote on such a resolution and the scramble by Republican members to “vote the right way” (conflicted between propping up their president or saving their own sorry asses), there’s the dimension of thwarting democracy–the will of the people–if no floor vote comes about.

    How RedState can rationalize that the issue is keeping Rumsfeld in office is beyond me. The real issue is accountability and that victory in November by the Democrats would break BushCo’s stranglehold on not being accountable. That’s what it’s about!

    It’s as simple as this: The Democrats win a house in Congress this November, we’re all jumping on the bus and heading to “Subpoena City.”

  • Happy dog, I am sorry to hear that living for so long in this hard-right tilt of the political world has effected your political equilibrium. According to the folks at Red-state, Nixon was a liberal.
    CB is actually the middle, thats how far they(the right) have skewed our political discourse.
    Stop apologizing for people that would have had Paul Revere arrested for disturbing the peace.

    Now, this article was about a brilliant move by the Dems to spotlight the inconsistant leadership of the Administration. Stay on point.

  • I guess I’m a semi-dissenting voice here. I’m all for criticizing the hell ouf to Rummy, but making him the centerpiece of the administration’s most visible fiasco seems to me to give Bush/Cheney at least a tiny bit of wiggle room. This gang is a package deal, and while the no confidence vote sounds like fun, Rummy is just one lobe on a huge malignant tumor. The appropriate surgical tool may not be a scalpel so much as a Bowie knife.

  • I’d offer them a deal…

    If Rummy can ride around in Bagdad for a week in the same type of humvee he made our kids ride around in (for months on end) then he can keep his job.

    Dick Cheney can drive the hummer, after all things are going great and the media is exaggerating the danger anyway.

  • Happy Dog,

    you’ll often find fair criticisms of liberal stances and we’ve-got-to-admit-it-the-liberals-are-right-on-this-one criticisms of Republicans.

    please link to one example of the latter, preferably on an issue of substance. Please.

    More on topic, ScottW is 100% right:

    It is one of the best wedge plays I have seen in a while.

    Yes, its political grandstanding. ‘Bout time the Dems showed up ot the party, if you ask me.

  • I don’t see this measure making it to the floor. It will be squelched, as all bills that threaten the adminsitration have been. Good luck getting it to a vote.

    But I would take this issue on the Sunday morning shows and beat the drum that Rummy blew it. He has the best fighting force in the world, he took it into a weakend nation with a decimated army and now has our proud troops stuck in a quagmire that is now raising the level of peril we face. The Bush administration is losing this war and Rummy is the head loser. Baghdad is New Orleans with bombs and keeping the current leadership of the US is like keeping hurricane Katrina around for another two years.

  • Thanks Edo.

    When I think of political grandstanding, I think of doing something with no real purpose but votes (flag burning), and this has a real purpose. It is to let the White house know we the people are not happy with the present day management of the war and we want a change in personnel at the highest levels.

    It’s great that the collateral damage is going to put a bunch of people in corners they would rather not be in, but it’s not the main purpose, which is ousting Rummy.

    Opponents can not claim it is political grandstanding for that fact, and that’s why I think it is genius.

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