Race discussion takes a misguided turn

Barack Obama’s speech on race in America this week sparked a spirited discussion in a variety of corners, but as we’ve all experienced, sometimes a discussion can go off in dumb directions. The New York Daily News’ Errol Louis tackled the flap over Obama’s comparison yesterday of his grandmother to a “typical white person” — a comment that drew the ire of Obama’s conservative critics (and a few of his more rabid liberal detractors).

There’s a new anti-Obama storyline whipping through cyberspace at the speed of stupid. Put simply, some Internet nitwits say Obama’s comment that his white grandmother – who made racist remarks and was fearful of blacks – was a “typical white person” just proves he can’t stop alienating white voters.

Never mind that Obama’s point, made casually Thursday on a Philadelphia radio show, was to emphasize the important truth that whites, including his elderly grandmother, are slowly winning the fight to purge their hearts of poisonous prejudices.

That message was swiftly discarded as a gaggle of bloggers and correspondents – whose collective contribution to an honest national dialogue about race has been nil – pounced.

“Barack Obama basically called all white people racist,” wrote blogger/radio show host Taylor Marsh on the Huffington Post, neatly avoiding the inconvenient fact that such a libel from the biracial candidate would include (or half-include) himself.

Other political Web sites echoed Marsh’s sentiment – Oooh! He said ‘white person’! Now he can’t be President! – and conservatives dutifully added it to their talking points.

That’s an understatement. The right quickly pounced, insisting that Obama must not like white people if he thinks the “typical” white person harbors racist tendencies.

This is all a bit much.

It’s fair to say Obama’s comments on the radio show were worded poorly. For that matter, it’s not unreasonable to think that if John McCain alluded to a “typical black person” in an awkward way, we’d hear about.

But to suggest that Obama’s off-hand remark is somehow a major scandal seems wildly excessive. Looking at the context, it’s clear Obama was not denigrating all white people. Referring to his grandmother, the senator said:

“She’s extremely proud,” he said. “The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she’s a typical white person who — if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know — there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that’s just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. And what makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling a little less like that.”

“Obama basically called all white people racist”? C’mon.

On Fox News’ morning show, the conservative crew was so excited about this that they spoke of little else for two hours. Eventually, Chris Wallace felt compelled to complain on the air.

When one Fox News personality complains to other Fox News personalities about “two hours of Obama bashing,” you know it’s getting excessive.

I’m glad Obama sparked a national dialog, but it’d be far more encouraging if the discussion were a little less foolish.

Wow, that Chris Wallace clip is amazing. Watching the idiot hosts of “Fuhrer and Friends” squirm in their seats was priceless.

And seriously, when you’re getting lectured by Chris Wallace, you really should pack it in.

  • it’d be far more encouraging if the discussion were a little less foolish.

    Discussions which include the active involvement of fools are going to be foolish. The right wing noise machine is incapable of engaging in an honest dialog on any subject. In fact its whole raison d’être is to eliminate honest, reasoned discourse in favor of foolish ideological polemics.

  • BTW, Wallace was just playing good cop bad cop. He gets to look objective, but meanwhile the polemical statements have been made and are now “out there” for the rest of the wingnuts to repeat endlessly.

  • Wow, for Chris Wallace to point out that the Fox morning show spent two hours jumping the shark is a revelation. The looks on the faces of the other personalities is priceless. To his credit, Chris found his remaining shred of integrity … now back to his Fox bloviating as usual.

    This is our information age. Anyone with an agenda can run around throwing gasoline on any glint of light in hopes of starting a fire.

  • “two hours of Obama bashing” is too kind of a description. Fox has engaged in a virulent verbal lynching of a black presidential candidate. Racism is alive and well at Fox.

  • GOP Racism is the gift that keeps on giving. It’s so much fun watching these assholes dig themselves deeper and deeper on national TeeVee, when Obama already offered them a rope ladder with which to climb out and move on with the rest of us.

    There are other issues, issues on which traditional Republicans and Democrats used to debate (two of which Barack addressed in he days following “the speech”), but Fucks Newts keeps on digging. Yay!

  • But don’t you kind of have to laugh when you hear people say, “Well, they’re finally getting around to vetting Obama,” or “They gave him a pass for so long”, as though this Wright scandal is the equalizer to the AUMF vote, conflating Iran and Al Qaeda, corruption scandals, lobbyist ties, and misrepresentations that defy defense”

  • The “typical white person” gaffe will be just one more weapon against Obama. Don’t you think this would have been a HUGE deal if Clinton said anything about the racial bias of the “typical black person”? Oh, the hypocrisy.

  • All Bill had to do was mention Jesse Jackson in regards to South Carolina and he is labeled a racist, oh the hypocrisy!

  • The main complaint from these “obama bashers” is that if a white person said “typical black person” the shit would hit the fan blah blah blah…

    Well seems to me Obama made the comment and the shit is hitting the fan ….he is getting NO FREE RIDE out of this one like these people are claiming…..

    For some whites its a tired arguement that there are double standards in this country NO SHIT

    ….unfortunately there are some things that black people have to live with and there are somethings white people have to live with

    DEAL with it and move on……

  • I am a typical white woman. I want to know what Obama means by that remark.
    But I want to hear it from him, from not fsome talking head who has an overinflated opinion of his own IQ.

  • I first came across this last night on MemeOrandum – byline John “Hindrocket” of Powerline (oh what I could do with that name if I was just a little more crass…). Right under it was pretty much the same headline with a Taylor Marsh byline. I felt some sort of grim satisfaction that this was more proof that Clintonistas and wingnuts are pretty interchangeable.

    But then I said to myself “why should I let Taylor Marsh become the caricature for all people who support Ms. Clinton? What does it say about me that I’m willing to give in to that either/or thinking that allows me to think, and speak, the worst about those who disagree with me?”

    We have seen some of the signs of derangement that come from too blind adherence to “my candidate right or wrong” in Taylor Marsh and our own Mary – and maybe we excuse some of that behavior on our side (or by ourselves) because “they” did it. I want Barack Obama supporters to really read/listen to “A More Perfect Union” and absorb its questions and its message into their own behavior. I want this more than I want Clinton supporters and Publicans to do it, which I want quite a lot.

    We should be fierce in exposing the lies and subterfuge and faulty logic on the other side of our particular political stance. But we should never forget that those on the other side are human beings, more or less as imperfect as we are.

  • A typical white person today also has reactions based on experiences.
    Experiences that aren’t nearly as confrontational and raw, thus racism is less accepted from either side.

    Is that a reasonable corollary?

  • We should have some fun with this. Obama’s mother is Caucasian which means he is half Caucasian. So by fRightWing “logic” (Waaah, he called all white people racists!) we must interpret his remarks as a confession that he is at least half racist against African-Americans. Add this to his rabid anti-Caucasian racism and we see he must hate everyone!

  • Wallace’s “track record” over the years is clear – he is a political hack and one of the lying liars that “catapults the propaganda” by launching neocon/repug talking points that the rest of the MSM repeats, creating an “echo chamber.”

    The context that the initial lies start in does not matter because the “mighty wurlitzer” just amplifies the noise – remember – these types of attacks are targeted to specific groups anyhow.

    To be effective, whether Wallace agrees with the talking points and talking heads does not matter. This is just another opportunity to repeat the lies. What Wallace would articulate as his intentions does not matter.

    Sure – its fun to watch the faux pundits react, but does it change anything? Wallace will continue to be a mouthpiece for the criminal cabal behind dur chimpfurher – catapulting the propaganda like the good shill he is.

  • Well, Nell (it rhymes!), if you really are a “typical white woman” you know exactly what Obama meant by that remark. So, you are right, you really dont need to hear from some talking head who has an overinflated opinion of your, er, his own IQ. Some of us “typical white women” have been able to recognize these issues in ourselves and are actively working to make sure they dont color (sorry!) our view of the world around us and the decisions we make. To quote the chimpeinfurer, “..it’s hard..” but we keep working at it.

  • Not accepted? Unacceptable?

    What words capture the thought?
    Which thought holds the most true?
    Will atypical white people find such an ultimate truth offensive.

    Is anyone surprised Senator Obama had to stay up til’ 2am c rafting the wording?

  • It was bound to happen. I just didn’t expect it until the general election. Massive wheels have been put into motion to turn Obama from ‘a presidential candidate who happens to be black’ into ‘that black guy who’s running for president.’ The hope among his opponents is to prey upon the very real echoes of white racism that they are ‘furious’ with Obama for identifying.

    It’s similar to the actions of another group. It always seems that the people who deny the Holocaust ever happened are the same scum that wish it had in the first place. Here you’ve got angry white republicans preying on other angry white republican fears of black people by accusing a black person of saying that angry white republicans are afraid of black people. More conservative hypocrisy.

  • What dogs trolls hear when we talk to them, and what we think they hear:

    http://amybrennan.blogs.com/Ginger.jpg

    Which is also to say, I really like 11. Lib4 way of talking right over the top of the resident troll. Slapping it down without calling it by name. Very nice.

  • “typical” etc is the Corporate Right topic of the day sent out I’m sure to all good little corporatists.

    I don’t watch Fox because I want news, not opinions and propaganda.

    #4 JimBob probably has it right…good cop, bad cop…but leaving the propaganda brain washing out there waving on the line.

  • I felt some sort of grim satisfaction that this was more proof that Clintonistas and wingnuts are pretty interchangeable. -Stephen1947

    The sad thing about this primary is it has really made me aware of the ugly side of Democrats.

    I find is nauseating and shattering that we can no longer tell the animals we used to walk beside (on all fours) from the people who seek only to exploit us.

    It makes me truly sad for progress in America that winning a primary has become more important than a path forward to so many narrow minded individuals. It really is all about one team versus another for them and the rest of us are left looking into windows from the outside hoping Boxer will come back some day.

  • Oh goodie! Another post about Obama and his troubles.

    I found the remark about his grandmother offensive and gratuitous. But if he would throw gays under the bus to promote his campaign, and use RFK and MLK to excuse his own behavior, why wouldn’t he malign his own grandmother. Besides, she’s white so she deserves it.

    Here is the irony. He loyally refuses to abandon that nice old pastor but is willing to trash his granny in the guy’s support. Way to go!

  • We should have some fun with this. Obama’s mother is Caucasian which means he is half Caucasian. So by fRightWing “logic” (Waaah, he called all white people racists!) we must interpret his remarks as a confession that he is at least half racist against African-Americans. Add this to his rabid anti-Caucasian racism and we see he must hate everyone! – The Answer is Orange @ #15

    Your logic is flawed, had Obama spent the past 20 years in a WHITE RACIST CHURCH, then I’d agree.

  • This is the problem when you try to use the “it’s ok because he/she has a good heart” defense. That was Obama’s defense of Wright. To do it, he brought up his grandmother had “uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe”. So now people are pressing Obama on what are the limits of the “has a good heart” defense. It’s OK today for grandparents to use such phrases in front of their grandchildren? How about parents in front of their children? How about bosses in front of their employees? How about talk show hosts on the radio? How about politicians saying “macaca”? I am sure all of those people will claim that they don’t harbor “any racial animosity”.

    IMHO, the correct standard is that in today’s world, to use any phrase that demeans someone because of their race, gender, religion, sexuality or ethnic origin is unacceptable.

  • Why do we panic over every attack by the right-wing “pundits” on Fox and elsewhere? None of these morons or their listeners or readers were ever going to vote for Obama. He’s got a tough road ahead but he can win without a single Reublican vote.

  • TR — my reference is to the comment in his original speech, not his remarks on radio attempting to “clarify” what he meant.

  • It was a foolish choice of words — the appearance of generalizing (i.e. stereotyping) steps all over the more complex message Obama has worked hard to put forth.

    It almost surely did not mean what the shriekers are claiming; more an effort to keep the story of his grandmother from being marginalized by deniers — to say “she is not an anomoly or inapt example.”

    It will be a big deal in the campaign; race was destined to be a big deal if he was the nominee no matter what (and in its own likely more subtle way, so was Clinton gender if she were the nominee – and frankly, McCain’s age will be).

    This may be one of the least appreciated and yet most important reasons to get this nomination contest over: I do not believe Obama makes that word choice error if he has had a less stressful, more restful last 7-10 days. Clinton can barely keep her eyes open and has gone beyond mere bags to full suitcases under her eyes. Our nominee needs a chance to catch their breath before the “real” race starts. This has changed from a political campaign to a physical and mental endurance contest. And more mistakes (and intemperate comments) will surely result from it in the coming days.

  • locanicole
    Like I said. I want to hear if from Obama. Not you.

    I pretty much give everybody a smile, but when it’s a black man, he seems surprised.

    So I know how I interpret his remark.

    I wonder if Obama can identify with a typical white woman, man, hispanic woman, man.

    It’s a fair question.

  • Mary – “I found the remark about his grandmother offensive”

    What was offensive about it? That even the best human beings can harbor racial stereotypes?

  • My grandmother was a fucking piece of shit racist . Telling the truth is throwing someone under the bus , or only truths that are uncomfortable ?

  • Ohioan @ #32
    I found the remark offensive too, I would never turn on my own family, he is obviously heavily influenced by his afro-centric church.

    Obama has brought this down on himself by keeping Rev. Wright on his campaign, and has certainly chosen sides, and IMHO he cannot survive this politically.

  • Taylor Marsh is a major driver when it comes to bashing a Democratic candidate (Obama), but negative stories about McCain are far more rare. She is poisoning the well for Democrats big time. I’ve seen so many comments on her site that if Obama gets the nomination, they (her readers) will support McCain instead. Taylor calls herself a Reagan Democrat, and with her rabid support of Hillary, she may well help another Republican into the White House.

  • This is exactly the kind of distraction that Obama talked about in his speech a few days ago – an perfect example. Obama is trying to engage in an open discussion and he’s getting his words twisted from people hellbent on bashing him. It should be completely transparent to anyone who heard his speech where he talked about distractions versus actually addressing race as an issue. I just hope more people seek out the YouTube videos of that speech. I wish the news media would quote it in direct response, too. I’m probably dreaming though.

  • TR — my reference is to the comment in his original speech, not his remarks on radio attempting to “clarify” what he meant.

    Um … OK.

    But why are you pointing that out to me? Two people here have referenced you, and neither of them is me.

  • The level of public discourse recently would indicate that democracy is doomed to failure. When we stoop to the level of acting childishly and worry ourselves about petty things, we render ourselves incapable off making the kinds of decisions that responsible adults empowered with the right to self-govern should be making.

    This is how we got an idiot like Bush in the WH and how we’ll probably get McCain.

  • Unfortunately, unlike Nell, I believe I completely understand what Senator Obama meant when he described his grandmother as a “typical white woman.” But, I believe his language was clumsy and careless. I put the point of his comments in the same category of those by Ed Rendell who said there were white people in PA who would not vote for a black man for president. The point of the comment may be true, but speaking the truth requires some delicacy (and decency of motivation) to avoid the negative consequences of speaking such a truth. In his speech, Obama called upon all of us to challenge our notions and stereotypes regarding race. Yet, IMO, he used a stereotype to explain his comments about his grandmother. He is, as he has said many times, imperfect. The descriptor “typical white woman” was a big part of the discussion on Larry King (w/Obama as guest) and Anderson Cooper’s show last night. Obama needs to find a way to make honest discussion of racial issues AN element of his campaign not THE element. He needs to find a way to change the focus. He was not succeeding yesterday; I hope he does better today.

    BTW, did people see (at TPM) the photograph of Bill Richardson that CNN with its story about Richardson’s endorsement of Obama. WTF is up with that?

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/184748.php

  • Nell said:
    locanicole
    Like I said. I want to hear if from Obama. Not you.

    Im sorry, Nell, I didn’t realize you wanted Obama to tell you specifically. Also, so sorry for assuming that you might have the self-awareness to realize that you might have some prejudices of your own to work thru. But I do agree with your statement ” I pretty much give everybody a smile, but when it’s a black man, he seems surprised.” I also try to do that and am sorry that someone is surprised by my civility and manners; that should tell you a lot about what’s going on right now and why this discussion is necessary and shouldn’t be minimized by “distractions” like “throwing his grandmother under the bus.” How sad.

  • TR @ 40

    I meant that he kept Rev. Wright on his campaign until recently after admittedly knowing since LAST YEAR that this would surface and cause problems.

  • I find it very hard to believe all the people in and out of the Clinton campaign flinging this shit all over the place are actually offended by any of it. It’s all cynical spin to get votes. Except for Greg. I have no problem believing he’s stupid enough to really be offended.

  • TR — because you would have pounced on it if I hadn’t clarified. You have a tendency to read a bit narrowly.

    Here is part of what was offensive about the remark in his speech (not on the radio — a separate issue). Older people are disproportionately the targets of crime. It is natural for older women to feel scared because they are more vulnerable and tend to be targets of muggers who consider them less risky. Older people tend to be on fixed incomes and thus are a little more likely to live in low income neighborhoods. African American people are disproportionately low income and also tend to live in low income neighborhoods where crime rates are higher. In large cities, African American people are disproportionately likely to be arrested for and convicted of crimes, including mugging and burglary of older people. You tell me whether it is racism to be scared of an unfamiliar African American person under those circumstances.

    Elderly people have a decrease in the size of the frontal lobes of the brain. Unless they are engaged in mental activities that will continue to use those areas, there may be loss of function with increasing age. That results in a lessened ability to use the discriminative functions in the frontal lobes, which are responsible for not only decision-making and evaluative thought but also inhibition. That is why elderly people are disproportionately the targets of cons and tele-marketers — they cannot think through to see the catches and make sound decision. This is also why older people forget what they’ve already told people and repeat stories, engage in “dirty old man” type behaviors, and say out loud the things other people know would be unkind, insensitive or socially inappropriate.

    Obama is unkind to use an elderly person who cannot help growing older as an example of racism inherent in the general population. He is further unkind to expose an old woman who loved him and probably treated him well to public censure as a “racist”. He is unkind to characterize a multidimensional person who lived a long life and probably did many things during that time in the single-dimensional term of bigotry. When I say he threw her under the bus, he disregarded the love and tenderness that ought to exist between a grandson and granny and set aside the personal mortification she might have felt (don’t know if she is still alive or not, but that is irrelevant) in favor of using a colorful example in a self-serving speech. That isn’t love. It is ugly.

    There is a psychology test that examines implicit attitudes about race, called the Implicit Attitudes Test (IAT). Examples can be found online. When given to African Americans, it frequently reveals the same negative attitudes toward African Americans as are held by whites who take it. Does that mean that those African Americans are racists? No. It means that our society contains negative stereotypes of African Americans and that these are incorporated into the minds of anyone who learns to use the language (linguistic marking for black over white) and forms mental representations. That point is so trivial that it has no relevance to a discussion of what constitutes racism. Equating his granny’s held stereotypes with Wright’s bigotry (or that of white racists for that matter) is specious. Obama should be more sophisticated than to muddy the water that way — but giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he is not — the comparison is wrong. Wright is an explicit racist (about whites) but his granny was implicit and that conscious choice makes all the difference.

  • I am appalled at how many people are so shocked by America’s dirty laundry been aired. The rest of the world already knows it exist. Most won’t stand up against it out of fear of persecution; i.e sanctions, wars etc.

    How many “typical white women” can HONESTLY say they haven’t treated the “typical black man” unfairly, like walking on the other side of the street when a black man approaches, being uncomfortable in an elevator if a black man is standing beside her or holding on to her purse if a black man in standing next to her etc? Can all “typical white women” HONESTLY say they haven’t done that? What makes these “typical white women” not believe that whatever they are so afraid of cannot be done to them by a white man? Did they learn this from their parents, grandparents or how about the media? Why the lies and pretense? Why the hypocrisy? In the eyes of many “typical white people” the stereotype that portrays black men as criminals exists in America and always has. Most Americans and the rest of the world already knows. It’s time for America to admit and take responsibility for their demons and do everything in their powers to correct this.

    How many of you tell your children, nieces, nephews, students etc. to take responsiblity for their actions? As the Psychologist would tell you, if you don’t admit what you have done (or are doing) or that you have a problem you cannot take responsibility for it. Therefore, you will not be able to move on and make changes.

    America, enough denials already. Grow up for God’s sake. Maybe then, God will truly bless America.

  • Gosh, poor Granny! Maybe the fear she has of black men was actually a premonition of her own grandson.

  • Hey media: Why must he be raked over the coals for calling his grandmother a “white person” while Senator McCain can call Vietnamese people “gooks”? Did we learn nothing from Obama’s speech?

  • Why is the media getting all worked up on behalf of Sen. Obama’s grandmother when she is alive and probably willing to tell us whether she felt thrown under the bus by being compared to Rev. Wright (or at least mentioned in comparison? If she’s anything like my Midwestern grandma who also had to work both during and after the WWII, she’ll let us know.

  • Do not loose sight of the pattern of the MSM for the past 20 years.
    Every negative Dem mole hill must become a mountain.
    Every negative Repub mountain must become a mole hill.

    McSame rejects right wing preachers in 2000 and now seeks out their support.
    These right wing preachers have preached hate against other Americans and blamed 911 and Katrina on the sins of some groups, without facts or proof.
    McSame flip flopping and pandering to preachers without facts = mole hill.

    Obama has 20 year history with activist preacher who has some controversial parts of his sermons which are based on actual facts and history = mountain.

    Is Obama getting some harsh treatment from the MSM? Yes
    Was Hillary getting more than her share for most of last year? Yes
    Is the MSM treating McSame as harsh as either? No
    Will this pattern continue throughout 2008? It did in 2000 and 2004
    It existed throughout the entire Clinton presidency 1992-2000.

    Remember Dem presidential candidate Dukakis and Willie Horton?
    Do you know that the work release program was started by the previous Repub governor and that Dukakis had no direct involvement in the decision on Horton?
    Huckbee meets with the Arkansa parole board who reports that he pressured them to release a felon, convicted of raping a white teenager. This felon needs six months to find another state to take him and rapes and kills within weeks. Which one was treated as a mountain and which as a mole hill?

    All Dems and progressives and real Americans should push the MSM to treat Dems and Repubs equally and focus on true mountains, like McSame not knowing that Iran was Shite and has never supported the Sunni Al-Queda-in Iraq.

    Jim

  • So …

    Old people are justifiably afraid of African Americans because they live in the same neighborhoods that low-income African Americans do, and those neighborhoods tend to have more crime and old people are easy to mug and, you know, it’s not racist! Just a reaction to their surroundings.

    But at the same time, they can’t really be blamed for that because they’re just not that sharp mentally and tend to blurt out stupid stuff all the time.

    Um … oooookaaaayyyyyyyy …

    You know, last I checked, you can call out a relative — even a grandmother! — for something they did or said that was wrong or even stupid, and **gasp** still love and respect that person.

    In fact, it happens all the time. I’d dare to say every single day in homes and families all across the world.

    Not sure why anyone would argue otherwise, unless they were just desperate to bash someone for just about anything, no matter how trivial.

  • Obama was talking about stereotypes, he wasn’t calling white racist, but he was noting that everyone has stereotype, heck calling her typical proves he has them too.

    as for wallace, glad to see an opposing viewpoint get some airtime on faux news

  • Mary,

    Obama’s Grandma didn’t live in in a big city, low-income, neighbourhood full of those dastardly black young bucks eying her purse every time she ventured out. Nor was she gaga all those years she raised him. Like with your pre-dawn breakfast at the farm, served by the stalwart Clinton-type Mother-Earth, you spin a fantasy world, then take it as the base of your argument, as if it were an axiom. *Any* argument can be “won”, if you start with a false premise.

  • People going semantic crazy over this is amazing.

    I *AM* a typical white woman and yes, I always watch who is around me. I understand exactly what Obama meant and if others don’t they are denying reality. While I watch anyone near me in 10x larger pants, hoodies, etc., black or white, I admonish myself to myself if I ever think that I might have given added consideration for someone’s race. And I am anything but racist. Reality is reality.

    I am and never have been racist and I am lucky that my parents weren’t either. But they were of an older generation and there were times they were maybe not quite as open as I am or would have liked. But when I was young, they never said anything about my friends of any color, black, brown, tan or pink unless they didn’t like something that person did.

    Obama was forced to open a door to a room that many people don’t want to peer into. Their own soul.

    And I wish that Wright’s entire 10 minute sermon was printed somewhere so that the people who go nuts about Goddamn America could see it in perspective. Alas, there is no frame of reference for those who never experienced hate or bias or prejudice on the scale that a black person has. Being someone who used to be very overweight, I can relate to a degree. But my own degree was, at times, pretty ugly. I can only imagine what someone who lived with throughout their life and that of their mothers, fathers, grandparents, and others who they love might feel.

    Parsing words for ones own content is their own means to the end; a justification of their own world view.

  • To Mary and all you others out there

    If Obama had been talking about his “black” grandmother would you hold the same sentiments. Would you be just as sensitive towards his black grandmother? Now be HONEST Americans.

    For Mary

    When you talk about the elderly, does black seniors react the same way towards black men as whites seniors do? I take it that this may not be the case since you probably see these particular seniors as sub-human. You probably believe that their brains are wired differently or maybe that they were young criminals as well. Have you done or researched any studies on that? Does black seniors react towards white men as white seniors react towards black men? What does your answers say to you? Honestly?

    Do you even know or understand what racism is? Regardless of which direction it’s coming. If a child is rejected anywhere by other children from the same race or regardless based on the fact that this child is different we would not accept it. This child may walk differently, lost their hair, have a facial tumor etc. Most of us would stand up and say that is wrong but when we see racism we turn a blind eye to it. Is it really fear that is keeping us back or is it reluctance? Could people be reluctant to change their culture and ways of thinking and behaving because then there would be no one to take out their frustrations on? What are we teaching our children? This happens in the workplace, schools,, homes etc. How can we as a people be so mean to each other? How much do we have to be proud of as a result of racism. denying it won’t make it go away or it would have been long gone.

    Mary ask yourself the real questions: Why in a country as rich and as powerful as America have seniors living on such a small fixed income that some are forced to live in “low income” neighbourhoods? “Low income” thats another story, shame on you America. Why are black people thrown into prison at such a disproportionate number as opposed to their white counterparts? Are you that naive and dishonest to believe that black people commit move crimes than whites? Or the worst crimes? There are neighbouhoods in America where the entire town is hooked on meth, these are “white” neighbourhoods. The drugs have even reached their police departments and their teachers and elected officials. These people are not been put in jail at an alarming rate, yet they are in possession of drugs everyday. It’s whites manufacturing and selling drugs to whites. Most of these people are not even “poor” or needy.

    Why are most black people confined to “low income” neighbourhoods? Did this begin somewhere? What happened? To what extent was it done? For how long did it last? Who benefitted? How much was the benefit? Did you benefit Mary? Did this carry over into other generations for both sides? Is anyone out there in Americaland enjoying the legacy of that wealth? Are there others out there struggling from the dust of not being given the right to learn to read, vote or being paid for the hard work their ancestor did? Or are you one of those immigrant Americans or from an immigrant family who refuse to identify with or learn about America’s true legacy? Or you know the history but could care less. Why does the benefactors want so much for the oppressed to just get over it and move on when they have not honestly and openly addressed it?

    Mary, America does have a legacy and it isn’t all good. As a matter of fact it is very ugly. Notice when America decides to take a stand (illegal, unjust or not) in or outside of the country who the stand is taken against. Can we say, blacks? Can we say Hispanics? Can we say Muslims? Need I go on? How many times is it usually collectively against “whites” If you really believe that America does not treat non whites differently then you are more ignorant than you think.

    DENIAL OF RACISM FROM ANYONE WILL ONLY MAKE IT WORST FOR EVERYONE.

    THIS ENTIRE WORLD BELONGS TO ALL OF US, EVERY INCH OF IT. LETS STOP FOOLING OURSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WHEN WILL WE REALIZE THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE HUMAN???????????

    SHAME ON US ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I’m trying to understand Mary’s (and all the wingnuts whose message she keeps repeating) need to feel offended by Obama comparing his grandmother to his pastor. Mary and those others need to see Rev. Wright as a big scary ooga-boogy man, whose entire existence must be erased because he said some words that scare them and that someone else edited into a video loop to feed on their fear. They can’t imagine that Obama doesn’t see Rev. Wright as the same monster they have been trained to see – they can’t imagine that he loves Rev. Wright in much the same way as he loves his grandmother, and that in that love he is not insulting one or the other by the comparison.

    They have set up an arbitrary test – Obama must see his pastor in the same light as they do and reject him absolutely, even though he has 20+ years experience of him and they have only 5 minutes. If he doesn’t act as if he believes exactly as they do, they have every right to condemn him for their own hypocrisy. When you understand this, you can understand why everything they accuse Senator Obama of are the same things they find themselves doing in their losers’ despair.

  • I find it ironic that Obama would refer to his grandmother as a “typical white person” after he had confessed to the same concerns in his book:

    — Barack Obama from ‘Dreams of My Father’,
    “When his grandmother wants a ride to work because the day before, while awaiting the bus, she was threatened by a black panhandler, he is outraged — at his grandparents. . . Later, when he moves to the South Side of Chicago in 1984, he eventually discovers that, like his grandmother, he’s sometimes scared of black males on the street, too.”

    And the concerns are shared by others:

    — The Reverend Jesse Jackson, as quoted in US News, 3/10/96,
    “There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved. ”

    The point being, if Jesse, Barack and his grandmother all admit to stereotyping in this case, why didn’t Barack simply say “typical person”.

  • gawd damn fux noise channel and it’s typical tighty, righty, whitey viewers.

    happy easter y’all

  • Poor Granny. Why, I wouldn’t be surprised if she came out and endorsed Hillary tommorrow at a press conference in Hawaii. Obama is such scum he even hates his Granny because she’s white.

    The first order of business is to establish that this guy is just another Malcolm X. We knew the right-wingers would do it, but even I am a little surprised to see some Clinton supporters take it up with such relish.

    Taylor Marsh and Larry Johnson crossed over to the dark side some time ago. They are no longer pro-Hillary sites. They are anti-Obama hate sites. Fox News would be embarassed for them.

  • I am a 54 year old white female, and both of my white grandmothers made disparaging remarks about blacks while they were still alive. One even pulled me off the sidewalk and made me walk in the road with her once when I was little, because a black male was walking toward us on the sidewalk. I have 2 mixed race daughers, and all of us have had to hear people make racist remarks at our places of employment and have chosen to take the high road. And if there is an affirmative action gravy train out there, neither of them were ever offered a ticket. I quit the Church when I turned 18 because I did not like what the priest had to say on many issues. I have not found a religion I am comfortable with, so now I try to be good because of personal reasons, not church. However, I guess that means I can never run for president. I’m sorry, but from now on, all polticians will be required to have their churches vetted, and if anyone, anywhere, finds something in their church to dislike, then they can never be elected! How do we like them apples?

  • Obama is our Savior! Obama and Reverd Wright are RIGHT! God D*** america. Obama will apologize to our Muslim brothers for an arrogant america. Let us choose now to rally around Barak and Michelle and make them proud. No more so called “elections” which your “typical white person” votes for clinton. We know from Obama what these typical white people are – they are all racists!

  • I find it remarkable that so many people are ready to demonize Obama for being associated with Wright for his comments. Yes he was a member of his church for nearly two decades, but how many of you out there have views and attitudes that are very dissimilar to your parents, siblings, cousins, or friends? I personally have friends and family that have some racial and homophobic attitudes, and when I bring it up (which I’ve done for quite a long time) they either try to justify what they said, deny it, or say I took it out of context. But do these attitudes which are just a small part of who they are define who they are? No. People are very complex creatures that have many failings and stregtrhs. You learn to live with that, and hope they grow out of it or learn more about people different from them to change their attitudes and beliefs. I admit I have some of these attitudes myself but they’re mostly out of naivite and lack of knowledge about others. My being a white male have never experienced the bite of racism myself, but being bisexual and an atheist, I’ve expienced some of the other types of prejudice that exists. But if you try to open an intelligent dialogue with people about you’re differences you can accomplish much, and that’s what Obama is trying to do in a large way. Too bad most of the discussion is very stupid ranting and the ones who actually to have the intelligent discussion are pushed to the side by the talking heads who use childish methods like Bill O’reilly and some of you have commented here.

  • Tony and the previous comments before really resonate with me. There were also others. I agree with Tony in that, Obama just should have said “typical person”. I wish pundits would use the quote from his book as Tony did. Obama obviously misspoke. Now, that’s what you call missspeaking. Not what Hillary Clinton called misspeaking. That was just a straight-up lie. People need not to be afraid of Obama. I think some of the white voters think that he will become president and just ship all the white people out of the country or something. That would ,however include some of his own family members. Even if he’s president he still has to answer to Congress made mostly of ,”you guessed it” “Rich, white, people. C’mon. Rev. Wright had a point there. Is that not true?

  • Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, liar, liar pants on fire. A mistake? She would not let Pastor Wright be her pastor, you cannot choose your family but you can choose your pastor she said. I agree. You can also choose your husband! No woman has to stay with a cheating husband. He is not a blood relative. He has cheated on you many times before the one made public. She did not agree but she stayed. Of course she will be up at 3 a.m. answering the phone. She is up listening to Bill in the library with her asistant. The under eye bags will definitely get bigger.

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