Ralph Reed’s troubles get considerably worse

If Ralph Reed was planning to start measuring the drapes in Georgia’s Lieutenant Governor’s office, he may want to rethink his plans. His role in the Abramoff affair just got considerably worse (thanks to J.C. for the tip).

Ralph Reed has said he didn’t know it until last year, but emails suggest he was informed that eLot — a firm then in the online lottery business — was behind his effort to fend off a ban against internet gambling in 2000.

The e-mails passed between Reed and Jack Abramoff, the now disgraced Washington lobbyist. Abramoff was lobbying for eLot Inc. of Connecticut, parent company of eLottery Inc., against a bill in Congress that would have banned most online betting. ELottery opposed the bill because it wanted to help states sell tickets online.

Reed, a lifelong opponent of gambling, said last year that he did not know in 2000 he was actually working on behalf of eLottery.

But e-mails obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution show Reed was offered the name of the company at the beginning of his involvement in the campaign, in May 2000. The e-mails emerged as dozens of federal investigators have increased their focus on events surrounding the defeat of the Internet gaming ban.

Abramoff included the company’s name — referring to “the elot project” — in an e-mail he forwarded to Reed, as the two worked out details of Reed’s contract for the campaign.

Reed campaign manager Jared Thomas declined to discuss the apparent inconsistency of Reed’s earlier statements and the date of the “elot” e-mail. Given the circumstances, I’m not sure what he’d say anyway.

Of course, for me, it was that sentence in the fourth paragraph that stands out: “The e-mails emerged as dozens of federal investigators have increased their focus on events surrounding the defeat of the Internet gaming ban.”

At this point, I’m afraid we may not have Ralph Reed to kick around much longer.

The well-muscled “sisters” in whatever Federal prison he winds up in gonna have a lot of fun with li’l Ralphie.

  • I usually understand comments like the one above to mean li’l Ralphie is going to be raped by other prisoners, and I wonder, why is that funny?

  • I think what Ed meant was that Ralph has been sticking it to us, figuratively speaking, and now finally Ralph will be paid back, literally speaking. Sozzy, if you are that concerned about Ralph, send him soap on a rope so he doesn’t drop his soap in the shower. And it is funny.

  • If Ralph is convicted he would likely go to a country club prison like Allenwood where he would be safe from the harsh realities of real prisons.

    What I wonder is, would he, while doing time, find god al a Chuck Colson?

  • Color me goody-two-shoes, but I can’t find prison rape funny even if the victim is a lying, thieving, religious right hypocrite. Being beaten and raped just isn’t funny. I don’t want to insult you guys, but I’ve been there (not prison) and I know. It’s not funny when it happens to you, so it isn’t funny when it happens to someone else.

    There, I’ve told the web I’ve been beaten and raped. Well, the people who need to know already do, so I guess it’s not that much of a revelation.

  • Sozzy,

    Of course rape is wrong. Real rape isn’t funny either — except maybe to some Republicans and other patriarchal bully types.

    My brief remark was intended as no more than a light-hearted comment on Ralph’s hypocrisy, not a philosophical treatise on ethical behavior. If it offended you, I’m sorry. You have my deepest sympathy for what happened to you.

    Ed

  • Sozzy, I don’t think any (normal) person thinks rape and assault are funny. The appeal here is the schadenfreud of imagining Ralph Reed suffering, after years of his lying, thieving, holier-than-thou, Golden Boy scumbag act.

  • Sozzy: let me extend my sympathy for the pain you must be suffering from your ordeal. I agree. The prison rape joke has grown more tasteless with time. It will be amusing to see Ralph’s cherubic face framed by prison bars, and his mug shot available for the taking on smokinggun.com. But as a liberal I can’t help but hope for humane treatment of criminals regardless of their political background. Reed deserves jail time. He doesn’t deserve torture.

  • I truly do understand the schadenfreud aspect of the comments and I don’t think anybody who reads this blog could be bad people themselves. I just wish people who say things about prison rape would imagine themselves in the situation, because if they could imagine that, they would know it can’t be a joke.

    Isn’t it good enough that his hypocrisy is exposed, that he may go to jail where he belongs, and that his unworthy ambitions are utterly destroyed?

    Also, the way I phrased my previous post made it sound like the two things happened together, but they were separate. I was raped, and ten years later, beaten up by muggers. I didn’t mean to make it sound worse than it was.

  • Ralph will be spending his time at a Federal Country Club Prison and he will not be raped by anyone as is suggested in the preceding comments.

    Ralph will, however, will be having consentual sex with his fellow homophobic Republican prisoners, and enjoying it, no doubt.

  • jri: The prison rape joke has grown more tasteless with time.

    John Dolan pretty much said it all here. (warning: some other stuff on that site might be “not safe for work.”)

  • I truly believe that Ralph Reed’s public face (supporter of the religious right / opposed to the evils of gambling) are a mirror image of his actual nature. He uses choir boy looks and posing to exploit and manipulate his “followers.” I would love to see his hipocrasy publically exposed to leave no doubt that he is unfit for public office. However, I worry that his prison experience will simply let him be “born again,” and he will emerge to the forgiveness of those he has manipulated in the past. An ethics-free Republican administration in the future (think how many of those repudiated in the past found rehabilitation with Dubya) will find a home for Ralph’s special “talents.” I hope whatever they tar Ralph with, it is potent enough to kill as many of his political “nine lives” as possible.

    Sozzy, I appreciate your point of view, and am sorry that you have been brutally violated twice. I agree that rape is never funny, and I can (thankfully) only imagine the scars and memories that a rape leaves the victim. It is helpful to remember that, although our posting names and points of view become more familiar with time, we know very little about those who share this site with us.

  • Sozzy- Thank you for pointing out the brutality of rape and reminding us how personal experience colors what works as humor for each of us.
    Our prison system cares little about stopping prison rape, rehabilitation or other mental health issues of the inmates, then turns loose toxic and brutalized humans to further damage society and the prision population is rapidly rising. Jailing of the disenfranchised is just another form of lethal environmental pollution by short sighted government.

    As a nation we are becoming desensitized to atrocity as our civil rights are being eroded. The way things are going, who knows which one of us might be put away for thought crimes and find ourselves on the other end of the joke.

    But I still want to see the republican crooks get meaninful consequences.

  • Since Ralph can’t get pregnant he really shouldn’t worry about rape.

    Besides I’m sure he’ll start a competition with Grover for “Prison Bitch of the Year.”

  • You know, this may be a good time to admit that the prison rape “joke” has gone too far. Maybe it’s time for us to stop laughing or snickering when someone alludes to this barbaric practice. As a liberal, I would like to see prisons become places for rehabilitation again, if they ever were. If that is not realistic then at least they must be made safe for the convicts. Since non-violent and violent offenders are housed together in many cases it is only right that we protect all prisoners. Although the repugs would think that I am soft on crime, they would be wrong. I believe that the punishment should fit the crime. Perhaps if we gave out sentences based on how many people were hurt (Ken Lay hurt untold thousands- he should never get out) it might wake them up.

  • Everything no matter how horrible is ripe for joking. When we lose the ability to joke at ourselves and/or declare topics off topic for discussion or joking then we lose our humanity. Yea prison rape, which doesn’t happen as often as folklore would lead us to believe, is fucking hilarious when perpretrated on the hypocritical dipshits among us. Sorry to burst your bubble. The more offended you get by the idea the more ripe for joking it becomes.

  • The real rape that has happened and continues to happen is by the so called “religious right” holier than you, God has told me I am the chosen one, hypocrites, who use religion, Jesus, and their fake morals to impose a theocracy, Taliban like, on this nation.

    Like rape, it boils down to a power grab, the power to squash those who disagree with you, the power to impose one’s will upon another.

    While I don’t condone physical violence against anyone, the symbolic rape of Reed because of his special brand of hypocrisy is delicious to comptemplate.

    I feel violated by the religious conservatives trying to impose their beliefs upon this nation, and individuals.

  • The prison rape humour lost all effectiveness with me some time ago, for two reasons.
    First, it makes light of the brutal, punitive nature of institutions that are meant to house and rehabilitate people who have done harm to others; it makes me, among others, question whether such a system can ever be effective in reducing recidivism, or if it may be the cause of some ongoing violent crime. Rape is not funny, in the streets or in government-controlled institutions like prisons. For individuals within the prison system who have authority to tolerate such behaviour ends any moral authority those individuals have, as far as I’m concerned.

    Second, jokes about prison rape have an underlying homophobic context which disturbs me. Even consensual sex in prison is portrayed as some kind of last-resort descent for big, manly convicts, or just desserts for pompous white-collar inmates. Prison, from what I understand, is a difficult enough place to live. Making light of even the consensual relationships somehow seems to justify the nonconsensual attacks as just criminals doing what their low natures drive them to do, which is a line of thought I hope no one here subscribes to.

    Living in a very queer-friendly city and running in bleeding-heart activist circles where many communities and individuals cross paths has opened my eyes to many things. I still have a sense of humour where it’s warranted (wasn’t it Heinlein who said, paraphrased, that all humour is derived from focusing on the failures and follies of others?), but when it comes to sexual abuse, I can’t even muster a smirk. I could go on… but for now, I won’t.

  • I agree that we are all getting raped by the untiary theocratic right wing power grab, and is over due time to stand up to these power hungry bullies.

  • Right now there are over a million people in our prison system, many of which have been convicted of non-violent crimes. As the public lusts for vengenance rather than a humane prison system which at some point at least tries to rehabilitate offenders…they have been aided and abetted by those Republican “law and order” types who rather than do anything serious about violent crime….like prevent it, have created a nightmare of social darwinism in our growing penal colonies. Prison rape wasn’t all that common until twenty years ago….but as the prison guards, aided with the various prison gangs run these system, they are rife with corruption…and rape is part of the deal.

    Ralph Reed, as Republican has a hand in his own responsibility for the current scandalous states of our prisons. If he should get a taste of what he has wrought, too fucking bad.

    Politically correct types who decry our prison rape, and haven’t done a thing about it…or our prison system which encourages it have a hell of a lot nerve preaching against it when it finally becomes part of the deal when guys like Reed, who will be in a country club prison…is joked about.

  • Sozzy. Your comment reminds me of an indignant letter to the editor I once saw in The Buffalo Beast, an irreverent humor weekly in my home town. She (the LW) prefaced by saying that while she reads The Beast and thinks it’s great, they went too far in a particularly vicious lampoon that included jokes about a tragic disease from which she suffers. She went on to “educate” the editors on her terrible disease and the hurtful irresponsble practice of publishing humor derived from people’s suffering. The editor replied by listing the many other sick, twisted missives they had published recently which she must have thought funny (since she herself says that The Beast is a great paper) before her particular ox was gored, wondering aloud why he hadn’t heard from her til now. He concluded by pretty much inviting the lady to kiss his dimpled ass. So Sozzy… with empathy toward your suffering, I suggest you take a long look in the mirror before hectoring others as to what they should joke or laugh about in print.

  • Otto:

    In this case, it wasn’t the publication that made the joke, but the person who made the first comment. I’d say there’s a thick line between taking offence at a publication that considers nothing sacred, and trying to enlighten individuals making those jokes without considering the implications.

  • That John Dolan piece is pretty sanctimonious, considering how the ads there are for “death porn” and “russian brides”. I guess the fact that he isn’t physically in the US absolves him from the responsibility that we in the homeland apparently share?

  • Mark, I see your point as to the difference between the type of conversations you mentioned. I read the first comment and basically take it as a pretty common lame snark about prison that is way overused. Pretty much ignorable. I just dont appreciate being told why it isn’t funny. And why no one should laugh. A good thread was hijacked over PC nonsense. And since it was, I’m going to tell the killjoys who diverted it what I think about it. Sorry you are in pain, Sorry you don’t like certain kinds of jokes, but don’t tell me how to think. Implications? That depends on how funny it is IMO. In this case, not very. All humor is as someones expense. Everybody hurts, Everybody suffers. Even the people who tell sick jokes. The world should’nt have to walk on eggshells because one or two people have an “issue”.

  • Prison rape jokes are funny to lowbrow people who laugh at somebody they don’t like slipping on ice (and accidentally anally-impaling themselves on a fireplug).

    There is nothing funny about prison rape. As much as anyone may hate Ralph Reed, as much as someone would like Hilter to be sodomized by a rhinocerus, the actuality of such an event in the context of a prison, which we know holds innocent as well as guilty persons, is an extension of the FAILURE of our justice system, and our culture.

    I favor human rights for EVERYONE, even a Milosevich or a Bush. Put them on trial, and then slit their throats. I am not in favor of torturing Bush the War Criminal, and don’t plan on gloating over a further act of government tyrannny in a prison, against him or any other mass-murderer felon.

    Our ethic is that the guilty should not be submitted to cruel and unusual punishment, and prison rape is just that.

    You either like the Constitution, or you don’t.

  • “A good thread was hijacked over PC nonsense.”

    It’s not PC nonsense to someone, in this case Sozzy, who has been on the receiving end of the abuse that was joked about. The original poster at least apologized instead of trying to further justify it.

    Ralph Reed certainly should have to face responsibility for his actions; I don’t think anyone is denying that.

  • No, prison rape jokes are too tired to be funny. They are not in the least bit clever.
    But I get pretty damn tired of rethugs who say I’m some sort of hypocrite for being a liberal, but not being of the bleeding heart variety.
    Schadenfreud or whatever you wanna call it – I’m into it. And I sincerely hope Ralph and company get a good taste of the hell they have created for so many others in the US and all around the world with their selfish and tyrannical politics.
    I just pray that he is not gay 1) because it sucks when all the creepy ones get lumped in with us gays (now there’s a common jibe I am getting offended by) and 2) if he gets raped, I want him to suffer. But as much as it pains me, I think his freudian slip is showing from under the hem of those frocks he wears when his wife is out. I think he wants a big black one up his dooker real bad, and he’s finally set himself up to get some. And he would be able to claim victim status for it too.

  • The culture wars are not just between dems and repubs as this thread indicates, but about different ways of looking at the human condtion.
    Funny or not funny depends on personal frame of reference. And once you start to analyze a joke the humor evaporates into thin air.
    What we are losing as a society the art of respectful disagreement and ability to listen to a different point of view without emotional filters getting in the way.

    Jokes do have a different flavor when seen from a life changing experience.
    I look at Gay jokes much differently now, after my daughter came out as a lesbian, because I now know how much hurt they can cause. But before that happened, it was a blind spot for me.. And everybody’s got sore spots and blind spots.

    What I like about the Carpetbagger is the smart companionship of kindred spirits , an island of sanity in this crazy Bush run world. I hate to think a joke will get in the way. The big picture is we need to get rid of Bushand get the checks and balances restored in Washington or else we’re all screwed.

  • So these two cannibals are eating a clown and one turns to the other and says “This taste funny to you?”

    Hmmm, the essence of funny is often, if perhaps not always based on the inappropriate. I can’t find the quote, so I’ll paraphrase. If you watch an elegantly dressed gentleman take a pratfall down a flight of stairs – it’s comedy. If you take the tumble: tragedy. (anybody wanna quote the quote, I’ll be happy).

    But there’s political flavor to jokes, too. Examples…

    Rightwing humor: (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnyquotes/a/anncoulter.htm)

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    “Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole.”

    “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.”

    “The New York Times editorial page is like a Ouija board that has only three answers, no matter what the question. The answers are: higher taxes, more restrictions on political speech and stricter gun control.”

    “My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.”
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    or generally anything where powerful people get their jollies at the expense of the powerless.

    And an example of left wing humor: (http://www.thepoorman.net/2005/08/13/son-of-love-them-that-they-are-wingnuts/)
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    He also asks:
    Hey [The Editors] – when you start out as a lying asshole, why should we waste any more time reading you?

    I would like to stress here that Cole is not saying that this weblog is literally edited by some kind of giant, hyper-intelligent, dishonest anus, but merely that The Editors are analogous to a fibbing cornhole in our dealings with him. Now, as long time readers have no doubt suspected, this weblog is literally edited by an enormous, mendacious, disembodied anus – but that’s not what Cole was saying, so please don’t be confused about that. Anyway, to get back to his original question, the answer is “free candy”.

    (Am I a bad person because I am singing “enormous, mendacious, disembodied anus” to myself to the tune of the Beach Boys’ smash hit single “Kokomo”? Or am I a bad person in spite of it? Discuss.)

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    Or, anything picking on the powerful, rather than the powerless.

    There’s tasteless humor like “garbage pail kids”, there’s gallows/black humor from people in stressful jobs like doctors, nurses, cops and firefighters. Some of the sickest jokes are from that last category. And people outside the profession are horribly offended. You wanna hear some tasteless jokes sometime, listen in on a couple of emergency room nurses crackin’ wise.

    But prison rape jokes? Oh so tired and no, not funny. I’m sure I’ve made them or laughed at them at some point, but really, enough. Given the power relationships involved and (as has been pointed out) the brutal nature of our prison system and the use of the war on drugs to put non-violent offenders in with hardened and violent criminals, I’m not laughing so much. And the homophobic subtext really cuts down the funny and all as well. Rape is generally not that funny as a general principle. You wanna make butt jokes, try mining some prostate humor. Or plain old fart and poop jokes. Hilarious. Where would Triumph the insult comic dog be with out poop jokes? Or an episode of The Family Guy?

    So this travelling salesman is driving through the countryside when his car breaks down. He walks to the nearest farmhouse and knocks on the front door.

    When the farmer opens the door, he explains his problem and asks if he can stay the night, until they can tow his car to the nearest garage for repairs.

    Oh yah, sure”, the farmer replies. But we don’t have any spare beds, don’t ya know. You’ll have to share with my son.”

    Whoa whoa whoa, says the salesman, I’m in the WRONG joke!

  • I’m with sozzy – it was a totally unclassy remark – just the kind I hear mean-spirited Republicans use all the time on those neocon websites I visit once in a great while when I want to get really riled up. I realize it’s not meant to be taken literally, but there are so many ways to say the same thing and sound halfway literate – if not downright magnanimous. Sorry Ed – I’m sure you’re a great guy.

  • Ralph Reed getting raped in prison is hysterically funny. I’m chuckling right now thinking about it. In fact, him catching AIDS makes me laugh too.

    The real punchline is him sitting on his bunk, sore, beaten, remembering his dreams that he was going to be President someday. He thinks to himself that it’s at times like this that a real Christian turns his life around, and it starts with getting on his knees to confess his failures to his God.
    He starts to pray, and thinks…
    “Naw, that’s all a bunch of b.s. we save for the rubes.”
    Then he sits back down and starts planning the super-church he’s going to start with Chuck Colsen when he gets out.

    Oh, Jeez, I’m rolling on the floor.

  • By the way, sozzy getting raped and beaten isn’t funny at all. I’m not laughing one bit at that. He deserves respect for talking about it and continuing with his life.

    Reed, though, is a different story altogether. Ever hear of “Schadenfreude”?

    To the nannies above, it’s perfectly consistent to not find rape funny but to find Ralph Reed getting raped funny.

    Cannibalism isn’t a bit funny, but a cannibal joke can be very funny, as shown by DrLaniac above. Ralph Reed is a cannibal joke. He’s also a rape joke. And a Christian joke. And a gay joke. And a Republican joke, an AIDS joke, a prison joke. And a human joke. As said earlier: funny on many levels.

  • I strongly suspect that Miss Reed would greatly enjoy some prison love. Nothing he hasn’t done before.

  • Not wanting to get raped — by either sex, and regardless of which sex you are — is not homophobia. Thus rape jokes are not homophobic humor.
    And as has been pointed out multiple times upthread, ALL humor is at the expense of someone — usually someone else, sometimes one’s own self. (I heard the definition refernced upthread as coming from Mel Brooks, and heard it as comedy is you falling into a manhole and dying; tragedy is me getting a sliver — or some such)
    And to misquote yet another heroine, if we can’t joke, I don’t want your revolution.
    Lighten up.

  • Re: Comment #31
    “I think he wants a big black one up his dooker real bad, and he’s finally set himself up to get some.”

    You are offended that creepy people are lumped in with the general population of homosexuals, but don’t mind offering up a little bigoted commentary. Geezus… just stop already!

  • Ralph need not go to prison. He can just wait around the White House for Bush’s homosexual prostitute Gannon/Guckert to visit.

  • I’D like to bang Lil’ Ralphie. Get out the ol’ 26er, strap it on an’ give his skinny white ass ah real good pumpin’! I’d screw the sin right otta ‘im.

  • First, it’s schadenfreude – don’t forget the “e” at the end, it changes the grammar.

    Second, this thread has kinda lost sight of the original point: that Ralph Reed and his ilk are a bunch of lying bastards who use God as cover for robbing, killing and indeed raping their followers and our country.

    Doesn’t that seem important? He’s not going to be raped in prison. And if he were, it wouldn’t be funny, but it would be a sort of – are you ready for real irony? – divine justice.

    I for one am pretty tired of my country being highjacked by religious nutcases like Reed, Dobson, Perkins, Frist, etc. But I’m even more dismayed that folks on the left side of the political aisle have let themselves be lured into the “divider not a uniter” camp.

    Wanna know what’s REALLY not funny? The death of America and all it stands for. And Ralph Reed may be a cog in that machine, but he’s only a small one. The real killers of America and Americans – pretty much the entire Bush administration – are getting away with it. THOSE are the ones who need to go to prison. And nothing that happens to them if and when they get there is bad enough to pay for those sins.

  • Maybe Ralph Reed committed these transgressions because he would now have an excuse to be with the well muscled sisters. Remember, homophobes are almost always gay.

  • Sexual politics is potent and a dividing topic, and the heat from this thread is just a taste of what lies ahead in the 06 and 08 elections.
    A point not lost on Karl Rove.
    His client is an idiot who has ruined the country, so nothing else to shout about but sex and god.
    And our pavlovian boob tube country will become enflamed.
    How about a war on idiocy?

  • Oh for God’s sake, people, stop shaking in your boots about whether it’s off-limits to chuckle at the thought of Ralph Reed being raped in prison. Of course it’s okay to have a laugh about it. Even if you think that prison rape is a national scandal, which I do.

    The thing I want to know is whether the “sin” Reed is accused of is a political one or a legal one. How is his having known about working for eLottery a crime? Trust me, I’m not on the man’s side. Not even remotely. But the story to which these comments are attached leaves the impression that Ralphie will be in political trouble, not legal trouble.

  • I don’t like Ralph Reed…never have….He’s a slippery one, though. I’m just happy that people like him finally get their due. It’s enough for me that he loses sleep, has to hire expensive lawyers, and comes to realize he’s a despised laughing stock. In fact, it makes me kind-of religious thinking about it.

    As to Mr. Reed’s being religiously “saved” …well, wasn’t that a prerequisite for the jobs he’s already held? Can he be saved again in order to start a megachurch as suggested above? Hope not! But it’s a crazy country…things like that can happen.

  • I personally have a sense of humor that is often very dark. But my issue with prison rape jokes is that they violate one of the rules about dark/gallows humor– something serious has to be taken seriously before it can be freely mocked. But I don’t think anyone could argue that prison rape is taken seriously in this country, it has become an accepted part of a prison sentence. So, until people recognize that rape and torture in our prison systems *isn’t* acceptable, prison rape jokes just aren’t that funny. The truth is that our prisons are some of the worst in the civilized world.

    I’d also argue that prison rape jokes do come from both a sexist and homophobic place– how do people feel about jokes that infer that certain women deserve to be raped? Not so funny, right? So why is the idea of a man being held down and raped funny? As for the homophobia, prison rape jokes also perpetuate the myth that gay men (even men who are only “gay” while in prison) are violent sexual predators and that anal sex is a punishment.

    Prison rape jokes are only funny if you don’t actually think for more than a moment about what real rape is like– but there’s nothing funny about it, even if Ralph Reed is on the reciving end.

    Just my 2 cents.

  • Also, a little test I apply to things like this– would I find it acceptable if, say, a bunch of wingers were reveling in the idea of one of “our” people being gang raped in prison. Or would I think they reprehensibly crossed a line?

  • Only republicans think prison rape is funny. Republicans are all evil. Liberals should hate all corporations, and should lynch the republicans that give CEOs head in exchange for fancy cars and yachts. There should be huge divisions in our society on the basis of party afilliation. Killing is wrong, unless the person hasn’t been born yet, and, finally, get off your ass and go hug a black person (any black person will do)!

  • Regarding the comment below from #21 … if you would study the truth about our country… you might want to THANK the people who founded it because of their deep faith in God and their desire to worship God in freedom. Yes… many “religious” people today are full of hot air… including many Democrats not just Republicans. But a true Christian isn’t going to try to force their beliefs on you. The reason for that is that they know God set things up so that people have free will and choices. It’s in the Bible. We are free to choose to accept Christ or not. We are free to follow the Bible or not. God has given us incredible freedom… look at all that people are doing. In case you haven’t guessed I’m a Christian and often a Republican (sometimes in my view being the lesser of two evils). Since I’m anonymous here… I will share that I have a special needs child I’m devoted to and who I didn’t abort. His care is very time consuming and we adore him to the hilt. Our family has taken in around 30 homeless people during our marriage. Have any of you? God wants us to love people. Hate the sin and love the person. I’m not homophobic but I believe homosexuality is wrong. Why? Because I believe God is real and He’s our Creator and His plan is for a man and woman to be together in marriage. In America I have the freedom to say that. But I also choose to love homosexuals as I love other people. And I’ve exposed myself to AIDS in ministering to people. Have you?
    I’m not trying to have a contest or say I’m perfect… far from it. I’m very human and often very needy. But… I’m just trying to say that I’m a “Republican” and Christian and I really do care about people. And I’m not alone … I know many Christians who are not fakes but they really care about people. Please don’t let those who are farces give you fodder to blow off all Christians and Republicans just as I shouldn’t use all non-Christians or Democrats who are farces to blow off “your side”. I love this country and our freedom (what there is left of it). I need the freedom to say what I believe just as people who disagree with me need their freedom. Throwing generalities around or being cruel is common but it doesn’t accomplish alot.
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    from #21………….

    “The real rape that has happened and continues to happen is by the so called “religious right” holier than you, God has told me I am the chosen one, hypocrites, who use religion, Jesus, and their fake morals to impose a theocracy, Taliban like, on this nation.

    Like rape, it boils down to a power grab, the power to squash those who disagree with you, the power to impose one’s will upon another.

    While I don’t condone physical violence against anyone, the symbolic rape of Reed because of his special brand of hypocrisy is delicious to comptemplate.

    I feel violated by the religious conservatives trying to impose their beliefs upon this nation, and individuals. “

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