Reagan, Dems, and the silly season

It’s just not reasonable to think Democratic presidential candidates, in the heat of a very competitive campaign, are going to stay positive 100% of the time. Ideally, it might sound nice to think everyone will just get along, and Dems will save all of their criticisms for the Republicans, but that, alas, is just not how campaigns work. I’m afraid it’s naive to think otherwise. (Arguably, these intra-party fights are a good thing, in that they help prepare the eventual nominee for the general election.)

With that in mind, I don’t much care if Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and Barack Obama go at it aggressively. I do mind when the attacks are inane, misleading, and ultimately pointless. I think the flap over Ronald Reagan qualifies.

If you’re just joining us, Obama gave an interview this week in Nevada in which he said Reagan and JFK, during their respective eras, put the nation on a “fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.” Obama’s Democratic critics seized on this as proof of having some kind of affinity for Reagan’s conservative ideology, but I think the fairest, most intellectually honest interpretation is that Obama was describing transformational figures who seized opportunities to shift the political direction of the country.

Specifically regarding Reagan, Obama seemed to be talking about Reagan’s political skills/victories, his ability to bring voters into the GOP fold, and his success at tapping into the public’s attitudes of the time. The country was ready for a fundamental change in 1980, and Reagan became a vehicle to move the country to the right. The country may be ready for a similar kind of change in 2008, and Obama wants to be a similar vehicle to move the country to the left. Reagan expanded the Republican Party; Obama wants to expand the Democratic Party. Reagan wrapped conservative ideas in warm, reassuring rhetoric; Obama wants to do the same with progressive ideas.

Now, rank-and-file Dems can certainly disagree about whether Obama is the right the vehicle to bring about this change, and whether he has the capacity to be a transformational figure. If Clinton, Edwards, and Kucinich supporters want to make the case that their candidate is better qualified to take advantage of this historic opportunity, more power to ’em. May the best candidate win.

But the debate over the last couple of days has devolved into sheer nonsense. Yesterday was particularly painful.

The gist of the “debate” — I use the word loosely — had two parts: describing Obama as some kind of Reagan-loving closet conservative and characterizing Obama as someone who prefers Republican “ideas.” I’m going to tackle the first point in this post, and the second point in the next post.

The WSJ noted the efforts to make Obama out to be some kind of Reaganite.

Senior Clinton officials held a conference call with reporters today with Mass. Rep. Barney Frank, Florida Rep. Corinne Brown and Nevada Rep. Shelley Berkley to criticize Obama’s comments. […]

“If Sen. Obama is the Democratic nominee, I will enthusiastically support him.” Rep. Frank said. But “Ronald Reagan was a dedicated right winger…It’s baffling to me that Sen. Obama would speak so favorably of him.” […]

Campaigning in union-heavy Nevada on Thursday, Edwards worked Obama “using Ronald Reagan as an example of change” into his standard speech.

“He was openly — openly — intolerant of unions and the right to organize. He openly fought against the union and the organized labor movement in this country,” Edwards said of Reagan on a campaign stop in Henderson. “He openly did extraordinary damage to the middle class and working people, created a tax structure that favored the very wealthiest Americans and caused the middle class and working people to struggle every single day.”

Of course Reagan was destructive force with a conservative agenda. Obama never said he wanted to follow in Reagan’s footsteps; he suggested he wanted to bring about fundamental change that the country is ready for, just as Reagan did. But that doesn’t mean the same specific kind of change. To pretend otherwise is just dishonest. Maybe twisting the meaning of innocuous words will help Clinton and Edwards score a few cheap points with people who aren’t paying close attention to the facts, but that doesn’t make it right. Indeed, it makes it even worse, because it compounds cynicism with deceit.

Simply mentioning Reagan in a positive way does not make a person sympathetic to Reagan’s policy agenda. Last night, for example, the Obama campaign found a couple of instances in which Hillary Clinton included Reagan among the presidents she most admired, and praised his communications skills.

Should Obama now schedule a conference call in which one of his congressional supporters tells reporters, “Ronald Reagan was a dedicated right winger…It’s baffling to me that Hillary Clinton would speak so favorably of him”? Of course not, that would be ridiculous. And yet, that’s what the Clinton campaign did yesterday.

There are plenty of avenues of attack for Clinton and Edwards to go after Obama. Can’t they stick to ones that make sense? Please?

Smear by innuendo…

Smear by misinterpreting…

Smear by reinterpreting…

What the hell else does Clinton have going than smearing Obama!

4 years Bush + 8 years Clinton + 8 years Bush = 20 years of the screwing of the American worker…

  • I can’t believe that any Democrat was persuaded by charges that Obama admires Reagan’s policies.

    Reagan was a not-very-bright, not-very-energetic man who was given the “part of a lifetime” in his chosen career of acting. He made inspiring speeches (inspiring to a lot of people, anyway) that made nonsense sound sensible if you didn’t scratch the surface. One of his lasting legacies is the widespread belief in the “tax fairy,” who is the bringer of the taxation equivalent of the free lunch.

    I think that Obama has Reagan’s ability to inspire. Some charge that his rhetoric is empty. So was Reagan’s. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if President Obama became the Democratic Ronald Reagan, capturing the middle of the political spectrum, moving it towards progressive policies, and building a progressive coalition that would last for a generation or more?

    CB is exactly right. This criticism of Obama is stupid, stupid, stupid. It will only backfire on those who are making it.

    Full disclosure: I’m still voting for Edwards.

  • I think any praise of Reagan is inappropriate. Reagan was a talented man, but he was talented in a certain way. Julius Caesar, Napoleon, and Hitler were all talented men, and if you want to learn certain skills- even if you just want to read amazing examples of what people can accomplish by being determined and working hard- you’d could include Julius Caesar’s writings, and writings about Hitler and Napoleon, and you’d find plenty of examples of good skills being put into practice. Julius Caesar, however, summarily executed thousands of barbarians, including non-warriors, who defied him; Napoleon was a war-monger who suppressed food-riots with cannons and created a police state; Hitler’s crimes are known without repeating.

    For an effective political leader, it can be easy to admire the praise-worthy skills that very effective leaders have– even the badguys. But not matter how much you admire Reagan for his charisma and his ability to get people behind him, he was a bad man. He was Hitler-lite. Any public praise by a role-model in society is inappropriate. It strikes the wrong note. If Barack Obama or any other politician claimed to admire Hitler for his leadership skill, political skill, or native military prowess, there would be no question that it is inappropriate.

    I don’t think it should be a news story, but I think Barack and Hillary should not say they admire Reagan.

    On the issues (Reagan’s approaches to policy) it will also tend to confuse people who don’t know better, when we should be communicating to them that Dems think Reagan’s approach was wrong. People will hear and repeat that “Obama likes Reagan”; they won’t be saying “Hey, Obama likes Reagan for his communication skills” in inner-city highschool or in a lot of workplaces.

  • If Barack Obama or any other politician claimed to admire Hitler for his leadership skill, political skill, or native military prowess, there would be no question that it is inappropriate.

    If a politician did that, we’d all think it sounds like veiled praise for Hitler’s agenda.

    I don’t think Obama was giving Reagan veiled praise, but I think he was letting people take it the way they want. This was the wrong way to try to make himself look safer to some moderates and independents. It was, as the French would say, “gauche,” a mis-step.

  • I saw a clip of Bill Clinton misrepresenting Obama’s statement, claiming Obama had said Republicans had all the good ideas over the past 16 years (or something along those lines) and it just reinforced the impression that both Clintons will do or say whatever it takes to get elected. I was similarly disappointed in Edwards reaction (in what appears to be a recent string of disappointing statements). If the MD primary had been a month ago, he’d have gotten my vote, but that’s becoming increasingly unlikely.

  • On the other hand, maybe this is parsing too much, Green Leaf.

    Is it really going to confuse people that much if Obama or Hillary say they like Reagan for how he was able to win over people or for his communication skills once? Aren’t most people who are on our side just going to shrug or just realize Obama and Clinton don’t really mean it in that way?

    It could just be a throw-away comment that most people will not care about.

    Maybe the statement’s effect for briding the divide between us and more conservative voters is worth it.

  • Oops

    Maybe the statement’s effect for briding the divide between us and more conservative voters is worth it.

    briding = bridging

  • Agreed. On your opening point about expectations and naivete.

    I would have no problem with “going negative” if going negative meant candidates saying, “This policy you are proposing is moronic.” I wouldn’t mind ‘going negative’ if going negative means a candidate sneering and saying, “Wow, someone who still believes in supply-side economics! Can I get a photo standing next to you?”

    It’s still a little silly, and I’m not advocating the behavior, but at least the insults would be over relevant substance. There is nothing naive about expecting this, demanding it, and screaming when we don’t get it. It’s just a matter of getting clear on what kind of politics we want, organizing ourselves, and relentlessly demanding it.

    Otherwise, I assume we have the politics we want.

  • I’m really split on this. In terms of logic, you’re absolutely correct about what Obama’s statement means, and doesn’t (necessarily) mean.

    At the same time, there does seem to be a strategy of finding ways to signal moderate or right-leaning independents–and even disaffected GOPers who are disgusted with Bush–that they could regard him as a congenial candidate. Listening to the Beeb’s coverage of the Iowa caucuses I was amazed when they pulled up a couple of interviews with self-described Republicans who had rejected Bushism and were attending Obama rallies and considering him as an alternative. I don’t think this was just ignorance or insanity on their part–they seemed to be pretty politically tuned-in. To me this rang with his other right-ish or “centrist” statements (which on close inspection don’t really look quite as rightish as they originally sounded). I’ve been as annoyed by those as anyone in Left Blogistan. But the fact that it seems to have worked quite surprisingly well for him in Iowa has made me unsure about that response. I find I’m entertaining the possibility that he’s up to something with this. On the whole he seems able to pull it off while still maintaining his broad “progressive” credentials. It’s still a question for me, but at times I want to give him credit for outmaneuvering the Me-dia Conventional Wisdom Machine in a pretty sophisticated way. If so, it’s possible he’s not pandering but is actually playing a much shrewder political game than that “charismatic!” label gives him credit for.

    An effective POTUS needs to have some of the Machiavel in him and I’d be a lot more concerned about Obama withstanding the withering rightwing onslaught in store for him both during and after the election if I didn’t detect some of that quality in him. In this light, saying good things about Saint Ronnie as a political monument without quite actually saying he likes what that monument stands for might be another part of this careful image-management strategy. He’s had a couple of other statements treated as “gaffes” that don’t appear to be quite so easily categorized as such in retrospect.

  • There are two problems here.

    First, as CB notes, it is naive to think that all campaigns wont have a negative component (or, comparative, if you like who is doing it). Yet the 3 leading Dems are all good candidates with good resumes and good forward-looking policies. None of the resumes are clearly better (now that Biden, Dodd and Richardson are out); none is particularly distinct in the forward looking policy proposals. What differences there are are either in the past or go to the best style for moving forward.

    Bottom line is that there is not much between them to attack — so what is left are lines of attack that are “inane, misleading, and ultimately pointless.” In some ways, the fact that none of them are really hitting each other on substance shows how solid all three are (and how similar).

    Second, however, is that you are giving Obama too much of a pass in part because you are looking at only the Reagan side of the equation. Specifically, he praised Reagan, a very destructive Republican, while slamming Clinton, a very constructive (even if not transformative) Democrat. This plays into the narrative that the public bought for decades that Republicans make better Presidents while Democrats are better in Congress. Feeding that thinking is harmful to all Democrats.

    Moreover, by naming one from each party that was “transformative” and one from each party that was not, Obama reinforces the very anti-Democratic meme that both parties are the same, that it really doesn’t matter which party wins. (That may favor Obama, because at that point it is all about personality, but that is not a strategy for long-term party bulding or for good governance.)

    Finally, the praise for Reagan — even fully granting that it was not praise for his policies — reinforces two aspects of Obama that many of us non-Obamaists find troubling. One, this over-outreaching relativism that makes Republicans OK is just not what we need right now until the damage has been largely remedied and the playing field returned to a much more level place. Modern Republicanism needs a stake driven through its heart, not a lifeline thown its way in terms of its image – and by a leading Democrat, no less. Two, Reagan’s alleged communicative charm was a great exampele of smooth talk hiding less than ideal running of the country. By stressing the smooth talk, Obama raises the fear that, albeit more benign than Reagan, that the running of the country wont live up to the happy talk Obama provides, either.

    You can put lipstick all over the pig, Steve, but Obama still screwed up.

  • O’bamaites see no criticism of him as justified. He has apparently reached Sainthood and those other nasty democrats are smearing him no matter what. So he thinks Reagan was a “change” good for america that’s a good laugh. Soon he will be elevated to Mt. Rushmore. Right next to Reagan. That will be a bigger laugh.

  • zeitgeist,

    Wow! You’re final point makes it very clear that you are not an “Obamaist.” I have never heard anyone say that unity– bringing Republican and Democratic ideas together– is a bad thing. Consider this before you drive the stake through the heart of modern republicanism, both sides have very smart and dedicated people. We all are convicted in our (very worthy) beliefs. If not practical, numbers-based reasoning, what other measure justifies the domination of Democratic ideals over their Republican counterparts.

  • Obama is a smart person, and perhaps he is a little too smart for his own good.

    We all know what the name “Reagan” means to Republicans and some conservative Democrats, don’t we? I mean, the GOP contenders seem to be engaged in a contest to see which of them can be anointed the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan.

    Obama would have us believe that this is all about discussing skill sets and strengths, not political ideology – and I think on some level, that’s plausible.

    But.

    It’s also about knowing how his words will be taken by those who yearn for the Reagan years – they aren’t hearing “great skills,” they are hearing a Democrat praise their hero – so maybe, just maybe, some of them can trust that Democrat enough to vote for him.

    Meanwhile, those of us who aren’t willing to accept the praise for the skill sets because we know what they brought us in those years, aren’t as happy about what we were hearing. I wouldn’t say it was the equivalent of hearing someone praise Karl Rove, for example, for his skill sets, but if you imagine what your reaction would be to hearing that, maybe those who think we are making too much of it can understand.

    Too clever by half is how I tend to look at this, and frankly, it doesn’t make me feel all that great.

  • CB is exactly right. But for the record, Reagan was no “transformational” figure (correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Obama used that word).

    Keep in mind that Reagan won the 1980 election with 51 percent of the popular vote and nearly 10 percent of the popular vote went to third-party candidates. This was no mandate. The economy sucked and voters were desperate. This “change” had nothing to do with the man. As Obama indicated…it had everything to do with the times.

  • I’ll bet a shiny nickel that, in the next two weeks, both Clinton and Edwards will discuss a Republican leader that they think was transformative. Given their affinity for dull policy statements, it will probably be “Abe Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt.”

  • I really worry about the Clinton machine. It might be uncharitable, but I’m not very optimistic that the American public are paying the attention they should to this race, and that Clinton’s technique of “shout something inflammatory loudly, then apologise in a tiny voice when it’s proven wrong” will pay off in the long run. Obama’s begun to fight back in the best way he can, by just highlighting the contradictions without tarring, but… I’m worried.

    On top of that, I’d forgotten what an absolute blowhard Bill Clinton is. I don’t want him back as President, and I CERTAINLY don’t want him freely roaming the corridors of power again — just this time, without ANY accountability whatsoever.

    I’m convinced that a vote for Hillary is a vote for 4 more years of gridlock, followed by a return of the GOP. It might not be fair, but Republicans HATE her, and that’s something that has to be taken into account.

  • Timeout… timeout… timeout….

    Anne, I don’t think any reasonable democrat could deny tht Karl Rove is an excellent political strategist. Am I missing something here, he kicked our butts twice. Both times we had the upper-hand. Yeah, it sucks to be beaten, but sometimes you have to be willing to step back and give your opponents their credit. I mean we’re talking about Republican vrs Democrat here– neither Reagan nor Rove are Hitler or Mussolini.

    If you deny the facts, you’re denying history. If you deny history, you can’t learn from your mistakes.

  • saying that Karl Rove is an excellent political strategist is like praising a serial killer for being very efficient at murder. It is rarely a good idea to ascribe positive traits to negative behaviors. It tends to detract from their negative nature and makes them easier to rationalize.

  • Sure, there’s plenty to dislike about Reagan: Iran Contra, his cozy relationship with Saddam, his deficit spending, etc. But I will give him credit for one thing: he made more progress toward nuclear disarmament than any other recent president. He is the only US president I know of who ever spoke of a nuke-free world as a serious and attainable goal. It’s been disappointing to see the lack of progress and attention to this issue since Reagan.

  • He is the only US president I know of who ever spoke of a nuke-free world as a serious and attainable goal.

    Thats because he was trying to move them all into space.

  • Grace,

    You’re right. I hope Obama takes her down at the next debate. The Clintons, I think, have gotten away with it, because Obama has played the nice guy. He has been unwilling to air their dirty attacks at a national debate. In fact, he bent over backwards to end the recent MLK dispute, when he (his campaing) hadn’t even done anything wrong.

    I hope that at the next debate, Obama confronts Hillary about dirty politics. He can cite her support of the teachers lawsuit in Nevada or her campaign’s blatant misquotes on the war and his management style.

  • zeitgeist,

    LOL. Maybe you’re right about Karl Rove’s tactics. 🙂

    But (and JoeBob this directed toward you as well), no public figure can take actions that everyone agrees with. So to attack Obama’s praise by pointing out that there are other aspects of Reagan’s administration that should not be praised is sort of the null argument. Of course, dems don’t like Reagan and for a reason, but the insightfulness of Obama’s statement is that there are some important positives (which you wouldn’t know from today’s political landscape).

  • One of the things that has made me uneasy about Obama is the use of Repub talking points he has used a number of times. I think the reaction to the use of Reagan is just another one. I see it as a somewhat chancy attempt to pander to the Repub and independent voters out there who don’t find anything attractive about the Repub slate. I, myself, have never found anything the Repubs have given (done) to this Country as worthwhile. I guess us older Dems just don’t trust them and any remote reference to that party makes us nervous.

  • Chris

    dems don’t like Reagan and for a reason, but the insightfulness of Obama’s statement is that there are some important positives (which you wouldn’t know from today’s political landscape).

    From my perspective, there are even more important negatives that you wouldn’t know from today’s political landscape. Reagan is lionized – they were serious in suggesting he be added to Rushmore. It is almost verboten to slam on Saint Ronnie. But the facts are that Reagan is one of the worst Presidents weve ever had. E.Coli Conservatism began in earnest under him. Norquistism – the systematic dismantling of government (and people’s trust in government) was brought to live under Reagan. The lawless unitary executive was embodied by Iran-Contra. His economic policies were a ticking time bomb designed to make him look good while blowing up the economy under someone else (GHW Bush, in this case). No one gets this. Now is not the time to acknowledge his unappreciated positives — his alleged positives get way too much credit already. It is his negatives that the public doesn’t see and doesn’t hear.

    (By the way, Waka Waka, what a statesperson says about someone’s death is always going to be positive. Its a little different to run in a Democratic primary and praise Reagan unprompted.)

  • I have read and reread Obama’s words….and have read a multitude of interpretations of the same words. To me it sounded as though he was indeed lauding Reagan for more than his nice voice and manners and ability to evince changes…it sounded like he liked Reagans changes (as opposed to those democratic/liberal years that came before).

    Remember that despite rejecting CAFTA…..In his book Obama comes out in favor of “free trade”…which I assume is the same worldwide community destroyer of Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush years ? Isn’t “free trade” equivalent with deregulation? And “Obama voted for the so-called “tort reform” bill that caps jury awards in wrongful injury lawsuits, one of the few means that working people have to hold corporations accountable for faulty products and negligence.”

    Our future as a nation & species impinges on the economic choices made today by governements and politicians and how much rule and latitude we give or sell to corporations. Everything hangs on the economic stances now chosen. Free trade and unregulated greed doesn’t hack it anymore. We have to start thinking about the foundations: the people, the earth ….little things like that. The era of pouring all our tax dollars into the roof: Haliburton, drug & insurance industries, oil oil oil industries is coming to an end as the roof is now caving in.

  • Zeitgeist:

    I think your analogy is a little over the top. As a practical matter, a political strategist, on it’s surface, isn’t a bad thing. Comparatively, a serial killer is ALWAYS considered a bad thing. Karl Rove was a good political strategist who was able to exploit the situation presented to him (e.g., 9-11) to secure a victory for his clients. Recognizing that fact doesn’t mean that I believe that his efforts were a good thing from my perspective. And yet the analogy you posit makes it impossible to draw any other conclusion.

    On general level (and not directed at zeitgeist), I think folks are reading FAR too much into what Obama said. Quite frankly, I take his words at face value, Without any substantive statements or context to support the conclusions drawn by some of you, it is clear that, in many ways, you are projecting your own beliefs (whether positive or negative) onto Obama.

    Frankly, once you are unable to recognize that your opponent has strengths as well as weakness, in essense lose the ability to judge your opponent objectivilty, then you are doomed to lose.

  • I think the best thing Hillary could do, at this point, to guarantee her electability, would be to divorce Bill and send him home. She’s perfectly capable of handling her own campaign, and it would free us from the “dynasty complex” as well as the shoved-in-our-face notion this being all about Bill’s “comeback” at the White House — does anyone really believe he’ll just be “first husband”, fixing the family car or doing the White House plumbing?

  • The Clintons are just so thirsty for power they will say and do anything to get to the white house.

  • Publicus, I’ve read Obama’s policy papers on his website and watched tape of his rallies and roundtables and meetings with editorial boards. To me, the sort of “Obama supporters are uninformed” line comes from the same place as the “Obama’s got less experience than Hillary” line — an effort to paint an entire movement as immature with very little basis other than age. That’s not the case.

    Obama and Clinton have many of the same planks in their platform. I understand why people are torn between them. But when satisfied with the specifics of a politician, I believe it’s important to examine their wider impact, and on that level I feel Obama scores well beyond Clinton.

  • I can’t help but feel, and it seems you are leaning that way too Carpetbagger, that Obama is clearly a reasonable person. It’s sad that that is a breath of fresh air, but it is.

  • I think that nuclear disarmament is probably a good thing, but I think joebob is probably overstating what Reagan did.

    If you have, say, 1,000 nuclear weapons, and you keep making individual deals to dismantle a couple of them (I know these aren’t the real numbers, but I don’t think I’m so way off on the relative scale that it makes a big diff when it comes to these kinds of weapons), that’s not really accomplishing the goal of disarmament. That’s a game that can be used for other political purposes- domestically, “Oh, look, we’re dismantling weapons, so don’t oppose us– we’re not that bad,” and diplomatically, as a bargaining chip to get a less savvy negotiator for the other country to make concessions in other areas besides weapons, or just to “show more of their cards” for purposes of intelligence gathering and national security.

    Also, maybe the Russian premiers, the UN, the goody-two-shoes organizations, and rank-and-file lefty Americans should get more of the credit than Reagan should, even though he signed the treaties.

    Whatever the case, it’s not like Reagan’s accomplishments made the nuclear arms situations effectively different- there are still many, many weapons out there, to the point that the ones we got rid of don’t really diminish our arsenals.

  • Maybe getting rid of the weapons we did get rid of made it a little less likely a nuke warhead would get lost or stolen by terrorists or black marketers, but there are still plenty of weapons that can get lost out there, and they do.

  • as a bargaining chip to get a less savvy negotiator for the other country to make concessions in other areas besides weapons, or just to “show more of their cards” for purposes of intelligence gathering and national security.

    If someone’s sending out negotiators and preparing ideas and strategies for negotiating, presumably that creates both more opportunities to gather intel and more chances for foreign personal to discuss other matters incidentally that may be valuable if picked up by spies.

    Remember, the Cold War was a very grand (that is, long-term, and enormous in breadth) and cold-hearted game, and efforts had to be made to prepare the ground we fought each other on to yield an advantage.

  • Even if we had 2,300 weapons total, and made an individual deal to destroy 300 weapons, it’s not a big deal if you know that’s the final significant arms liquidation you’re going to agree to. For the type of nuclear war we’re likely to get into, to destroy that number of weapons probably doesn’t effectively diminish our ability to wage war at all. Remember, these are very destructive weapons.

    The only far-out scenario in which it stops us from waging war is if we’ve fired a couple thousand weapons. Let’s be honest: it’s really unlikely a war or saboteurs would disarm all or almost all our weapons (that is, around 2,000 of my hypothetical arsenal of 2,300) before we had a chance to use them.

  • Look folks. I was an Obama supporter. Now, I am on the fence. He said what he said. At the very least, he could have chosen his words much better. You remember the spinning and twisting of John Kerry’s comments. Yes, they were taken out of context, but he was STUPID for making statements that can be twisted. Obama is showing inexperience and that is not good. And, once again, he said what he said. I will see if Obama makes a full retraction or comes out with an attack on Reganomics and praise for President Clinton’s tenure. Otherwise, he is history with me.

  • Maybe twisting the meaning of innocuous words will help Clinton and Edwards score a few cheap points […] — CB

    We have a saying, in Polish: “if you want to hit a dog, you can always find a stick (to do it with)”. I am disappointed in “my” candidate (Edwards) that he’d stoop low enough to pick up this slimy stick. Nothing surprises — or disappoints — me about the Clinton campaign anymore; they’ve been picking up (and cutting new ones, from whole trees) sticks enough to build a pyre.

  • Bubba, @39

    Pleased to meet you too 🙂 Though, judging by the word order, your antecedents are more likely to have come from the south and east of Poland, while mine are all from central and western parts. But I agree with you; Bush has got *all* of us to the point where it’s “winter, winter, (and I) have no longjohns” 🙂

    PS It’s “gacie”, not “gatchie”

  • What’s shocking is that people are shocked that the Clintons are being unfair.This is the game they always play. I wish Obama could stop being the nice guy and start hitting them back.

  • It’s amazing to me that people criticize President Reagan. Allied with Mrs Thatcher , Mr Reagan made very positive and fundamental changes to the world, particularly in Europe. For example, many of the nations of Eastern Europe were freed from Soviet domination. People were no longer murdered just because they wanted to escape from East Germany and East Berlin. Life became better for the Poles, the East Germans, Hungarians, Czechs, Lithuanians, …… Unfortunately, the current leader of Russia is no democrat….
    Roger

  • “PS It’s “gacie”, not “gatchie””

    I can’t spell in english or polish….

    And for the non-Pols–it sort of translates to “man, its frickin’ cold out.”

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