Religious right leaders to meet again on third-party plans

As part of my ongoing effort to convince people that the religious right really isn’t bluffing, and that the Dobson/Perkins crowd really will break with the GOP if Rudy Giuliani is the party’s presidential nominee, Salon’s Michael Scherer reports that the same cast of characters who met in Utah last month are poised to meet again in DC this weekend.

Key conservative and religious leaders will continue discussing a mass defection from the Republican Party in a private meeting at a Washington hotel Saturday afternoon, just hours after the pro-choice presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani speaks before thousands of pro-life voters. […]

“There will be further exploration of what is to be done,” said Howard Phillips, the president of the Conservative Caucus, who participated in the Salt Lake meeting. “And there will be some discussion of who would be a viable independent candidate.” […]

Ever since the September meeting in Salt Lake, conservative Christian leaders have been increasing their public protests of a Giuliani candidacy, arguing that it would sever the coalition between evangelical voters and the Republican Party that dates back to Ronald Reagan’s 1980 presidential campaign. “The establishment just doesn’t get it,” said Dr. Richard Land, a leader in the Southern Baptist Convention, in a recent interview. “I cannot vote for a pro-choice candidate as a matter of conscience.”

All of this is happening in the context of the “Values Voter Summit,” the year’s largest gathering for the religious right, which kicks off today in Washington. Every Republican presidential hopeful, including Giuliani, will be on hand to beg for votes explain their commitment to the movement’s cause.

But I think it’s Land’s quote that stands out as meaningful.

Surely Land realizes that it’s Republican voters, not the Republican establishment, who’ll choose the GOP nominee, but his reference to the establishment suggests one thing: his phone has been ringing quite a bit the last few weeks.

His Salon quote sounded like it came from someone who’s been having to repeat himself quite a bit. When Republican National Committee members call Land and tell him he has to stick with the GOP, even with a nominee who supports abortion rights, gay rights, adultery, and gun control, Land apparently keeps telling them he won’t. It’s why he thinks the “establishment just doesn’t get it” — insiders think he should be loyal to the party; Land thinks the insiders are confused.

Of course, Land, Dobson, Perkins, and the rest of the gang really don’t want to do this, which is why it’s looking increasingly likely that the religious right movement is coalescing around the one candidate they think is both credible and capable of beating Giuliani in the primaries.

James Bopp Jr., the legendary pro-life activist and attorney, has turned into one of the more effective surrogates for Mitt Romney and his pro-life conversion.

In a letter Bopp sent to hundreds of social conservatives this week, he agrees with fellow Romney adviser Mark DeMoss that unless social conservatives coalesce around Mr. Romney, the nomination is Rudy Giuliani’s to lose. With 100 days to go, Bopp writes with a sense of urgency. His e-mail was obtained from a Romney supporter.

Writes Bopp, “While several of the other candidates are certainly fine social conservatives, none has established his viability as a serious presidential contender. Only Mitt Romney has the resources to compete with Rudy Giuliani for the nomination.”

Bopp concluded his letter, “A divided field means that Giuliani is likely to win the nomination. This is our choice to make, and we don’t have long to make it.”

Stay tuned.

I sure hope you are right. I’d like them to nominate Romney. Even though I think even Ghouliani should lose anyway, he is a better candidate than Mitt. Republican defeat is more assured with Mitt.

  • Does it matter? Let whomever siphon votes away from any GOP candidate. Maybe we can actually get our country on track for something positive if we get the GOP out of the way.

    It’s so embarassing to be American these days. We torture. We go to war on a whim. We don’t give a crap about people in our country. We stigmatize immigrants like the Nazi’s did the Jews. No lower wage jobs. No income. No housing. No food. No life.

    This is what the GOP gives everyone but the richest amongst us.

    Sickening!!!

    Let the radical right do away with the moderate right. Eff ’em!!!!

  • The fundies probably will coalesce around Romney although it’s going to take a lot of preachifying to undo all of their prior preachifying to the effect that the LDS is a cult. The Republicans have been treating the values voters to a big handful of gimme and rewarding them with a mouthful of “much obliged” for years. It would be tragic if the GOP couldn’t spin Rudy as a social conservative and chump those folks one more time.

  • “It’s so embarassing to be American these days.”

    it’s been embarassing to be american for about seven years now. but my observations have shown that while early in this time period the rest of the world looked at the entire country as being morons for electing bush (twice) (well, okay, not electing him twice), after the last elections, much of the world realizes that most americans are not morons, but it’s still embarassing because those of us in the reality based community have to sit and watch all of this never-ending crap going on.

  • So for Tough Guy “Don” Giuliani, here is the moment of truth, where we see whether he has a pair or not.

    He has three options, all with costs, when he goes to the Valueless Voters Summit.

    a) He can pander shamelessly and claim a conversion and say dog whistle things like he will appoint more Scalitos – and hope any of them actually buy it;

    b) He can try to finesse and dissemble, doing his best impersonation of Sen. Craig talking to Lauer, tossing our distracting shiny baubles (“and when it comes to protecting the unborn – look! 9/11!”);

    c) Or he can take the high risk/high reward strategy of making this his Sister Souljah moment.

    If he goes with door (c), he immediately becomes the strongest general election candidate the R’s have. More than enough I’s will move his way to make up for lost theocratic R’s. But he likely becomes unelectable in a primary.

  • “The establishment just doesn’t get it,” said Dr. Richard Land, a leader in the Southern Baptist Convention, in a recent interview. “I cannot vote for a pro-choice candidate as a matter of conscience.”

    The left wing really needs to work on a movement to educate and win over the large portion of our population out west who believe that these few issues are an indispensible part of Christianity, are superstitious, are anti-science, and are virulently anti-liberal, anti-education, and anti-urban. If you care about our causes, these people are standing in our way and we are not going to make big advances without doing something about the competition.

  • If you care about our causes, these people are standing in our way and we are not going to make big advances without doing something about the competition.

    I recommend secession. Many of those people are just not going to be happy until they return to the halcyon days of the Twelfth Century.

  • This all seems like progressive wishful thinking.

    For nearly a year now, every TV bloviator has been predicting that it was only a matter of time before Giuliani’s so-called “liberal positions” would be discovered by “values voting” Republicans and derail his nomination. When that didn’t happen, the story shifted to one where, when Fred Thompson with his “bona fides” announces, the starving conservative masses will surge to suck on the Thompson teat. That didn’t happen either.

    Everybody knows what Giuliani thinks about everything. And Giuliani still leads the Republican field now, as he has, without interruption, for many months. It is also clear that Giuliani is the only Republican with half a chance to beat Hillary. That is not going to change, barring the discovery that Rudy has married his daughter.

    So why in the world would Dobson etc. blow the only chance to retain power (even if they have to share it with “moderates”) by splitting the party?

    They wouldn’t and they won’t.

    Much of the third-party opinion seems based on assuming that the fundies have a moral center that cannot be compromised by someone with Giuliani’s views. For this they will choose unsullied defeat over tainted victory.

    Wrong.

    The whole “controversy” is a pantomime put on to assuage their craziest members that they are putting Giuliani’s feet to the fire, or face to the waterboard, to obtain his pledge of allegiance.

    The religious right knows they have Giuliani in their pocket, just as Giuliani knows he has them. The Christo-Fascists know that Rudy will allow Roe v Wade to be whittled away to a meaningless bit of nostalgia. They also know Rudy’s “views” on “gay rights” and “civil unions” pose no threat to actually encouraging either.

    It’s all a show. I’m surprised the progressive bloggers don’t see this.

  • Rudy, more than anyone – although Romney is no slouch in the pandering department – will sell whatever he has to in order to ascend to the next level in his quest to be World Leader. He has no problem peeing on the legs of the religious right – and everyone else – and telling them it’s raining – he’s already doing that in every campaign appearance he’s making. He re-writes his own history daily.

    The man is a loose cannon of epic – and potentially disastrous – proportions. His ego-based actions will make George Bush look like an amateur.

    I would like to see the Dems take advantage of the current GOP disarray and start speaking in one voice – or at least harmonizing voices – on major constitutional issues. On torture and wiretapping and religion and abortion and executive privilege and health care and Iraq and Iran. I truly believe we are the party which will fight for everyone’s rights – not just on advancing the ones we believe in and trashing the ones we don’t.

  • none of them gives a damn about “life”-it is only about power-over “your” woman or over the government. they will do whatever it takes to try to hold on to executive power so they can radicalize the Supreme Court for the nexrt 30 years

  • Dennis wrote:

    I recommend secession. Many of those people are just not going to be happy until they return to the halcyon days of the Twelfth Century.

    I’m sure they can be taught.

  • The fundies have put a very large ship of fools on a collision course with reality. There’s little chance that they will be able to reprogram their moronic base to believe that electing a cult member or an abortion rights supporter is something they really want to do. But if I had to guess, Rudy will win out by virtue of his “inevitability”. Never underestimate the power of the herd mentality.

    The wingnut voters probably figure that Hillary will be worse on abortion, but at least Rudy is tough and wasn’t he something on 9/11. Romney, on the other hand, sounds less tough and more like a lawyer, and the wingnuts hate lawyers. Add to that Romney’s weak polling position and you have Rudy winning the primary. In the general election, Republican turnout is weak, and Rudy loses along with a whole raft of Republicans as millions of pissed off voters take their last shot at Bush.

    Note that this depends on the Democrats not selling us all down the river, and they seem intent on doing that.

  • I think the only reason Rudy is still leading is that no other major rpub is throwing any tough punches at him on the social issues. It may be possible that Land will cut a deal with Romney- we’ll swallow the Mormon thing and back you, but you’ve got to come out swingibng on our issues. Sees to be the only way Romney can stop Rudy.

    I still think that major sections of the RR are perfectly willing to lose one election to try to prove to the rpub party how much they’re needed.

  • Zeitgeist’s (#5) “c” option is particularly intriguing. Is it vaguely possible that Giuliani might dramatically renounce his errant past and suddenly and dramatically embrace Jesus? As we are all aware, once that is done, the religious-right will forgive just about anything (if not everything). Just think, Rudy the Baptist! He just might be able to juggle his born again status and economic-right stances long enough to coalesce the party in the presidential election. ‘Course, after the election the old Rudy would probably emerge.

  • “The establishment just doesn’t get it,” said Dr. Richard Land, a leader in the Southern Baptist Convention, in a recent interview. “I cannot vote for a pro-choice candidate as a matter of conscience.”

    You and what army, Richard?

    They’re like union leaders in the ’80s endorsing the Democrat while the workers voted for Reagan. They’re desperately shouting, “RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!” Meanwhile, the rank-and-file fundies are going with the guy who’s going to go the most medieval on brown people’s asses.

  • A few impressions I take away:

    The Religious Right leaders seem to think they ARE the party. More and more they seem to think that they will either be kowtowed to or that they can leave and have a big impact.

    What I wonder about is how unified they are. This may not just split the Republicans – it may split the religious right. At that point I think partisan infighting will suddenly degenerate into extreme nastiness as religious right types argue whose really Christian enough.

    I still think the RR feels they can always leave and wield power. Maybe they want that – figuring they’ll either completely define the Republican party, or can leave in such droves they’ll be a viable third party force.

  • Steve M,

    The thing is they ALL promise to get medieval on brown people – and anyone the RR supports will be high on the GMoBP scale.

    So the RR can play to other markets as well – abortion, homosexuality, etc. They’ve got a whole package to sell – that’s what makes them distinct.

  • What’s up CB? You must be out of commission! Hope all is well in the Carpetbagger household.

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    Az sie zepsujesz
    (beloved health; nobody’ll know; how [well] you taste; until you spoil)

    CB, *I miss ya*! Hope you get better soon!

    There was a glitch, somewhere around 3PM, when I couldn’t even raise the website (make sure you typed the correct address… ‘scuse me? That’s what my bookmark list is for…) Now I can, but no new news from CB, no scatter-shot of the mini-report, no open vein thread at the end of the day… Sob (as in: cry)…

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