‘Removing a sitting vice president is not easy, but…’

Ordinarily, I wouldn’t pay too much attention to Sally Quinn’s WaPo columns. Her reputation for being the social director of the Georgetown cocktail circuit is well deserved; Quinn’s columns tend to let readers know what Republican socialites in DC are chatting about. Hardly the stuff of Pulitzers.

But today’s Quinn piece is a little startling because, as she tells it, this is now the time to throw Dick Cheney under the bus.

The big question right now among Republicans is how to remove Vice President Cheney from office. Even before this week’s blockbuster series in The Post, discontent in Republican ranks was rising.

As the reputed architect of the war in Iraq, Cheney is viewed as toxic, and as the administration’s leading proponent of an attack on Iran, he is seen as dangerous. As long as he remains vice president, according to this thinking, he has the potential to drag down every member of the party — including the presidential nominee — in next year’s elections.

Removing a sitting vice president is not easy, but this may be the moment. I remember Barry Goldwater sitting in my parents’ living room in 1973, in the last days of Watergate, debating whether to lead a group of senior Republicans to the White House to tell President Nixon he had to go. His hesitation was that he felt loyalty to the president and the party. But in the end he felt a greater loyalty to his country, and he went to the White House.

Today, another group of party elders, led by Sen. John Warner of Virginia, could well do the same.

We’ve heard plenty of “dump Cheney” talk before, particularly in the run-up to the 2004 election, and all of it was kind of silly. And with 18 months left in the Bush presidency, I find it rather hard to believe we’ll see this kind of massive change. Indeed, if this week’s Post series makes one thing clear, it’s that Cheney runs this White House and is responsible for Bush’s agenda. It’s the kind of dynamic that offers good job security.

But Quinn’s column is interesting anyway. For one thing, it suggests the GOP establishment no longer has any use for the Bush White House. If Quinn is writing about it, Republicans in DC are talking about it.

For another, Quinn has already lined up Cheney’s successor.

The idea is to install a vice president who could beat the Democratic nominee in 2008. It’s unlikely that any of the top three Republican candidates — former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, Sen. John McCain of Arizona or former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney — would want the job, for fear that association with Bush’s war would be the kiss of death.

Nor would any of them be that attractive to the president. Giuliani is too New York, too liberal. His reputation as a leader, forged on 9/11 and the days after, carries him only so far. McCain, who has always had a rocky relationship with the president, lost much of his support from moderate Democrats and independents (and from a fair amount of Republicans) when the Straight Talk Express started veering off course. And no matter what anyone says about how Romney’s religion doesn’t matter, being a Mormon is simply not acceptable to Bush’s base. Several right-wing evangelicals have told me they don’t see Mormons as “true Christians.”

That leaves Fred Thompson. Everybody loves Fred.

Atrios argues that for Republicans, “It’s actually a good idea.” I completely agree. Bush gets an heir apparent who is cut from the same Bush cloth; the GOP gets to exorcise Cheney’s demons; Thompson gets a head-start on his rivals. I wouldn’t be surprised if some in DC actually believe that the Republican Brand would improve if the party showed the courage to remove a destructive element from its ranks.

In reality, Cheney has helped undermine the GOP far more than the party probably realizes, but if Quinn’s right, the party’s insiders know something is amiss and they know Cheney bears some responsibility.

In my heart of hearts, I suspect every single Republican lawmaker on the Hill could go directly to the president and demand he make a change, and Bush would blow them off. But would a Cheney resignation help everyone? You bet.

This becomes more and more a likely possibility the more we see stories along the lines of “Cheney totally pwns Bush”

Bush just loves to hear how someone has got the best of him, doesn’t he?

  • Frankly, I’d be happy with the literal interpretation of ‘throw Cheney under a bus’ but that’s just me…

  • Why does Bush keep Cheney?

    Politically, Cheney catches spears and takes the heat instead of Bush. There is still a significant difference between 27% and 17%.

    Personally, I think Cheney knows every last scrap of potential oppo research on W. Bush has been in Cheney’s field of view since the Nixon years. My guess is the VP knows where ALL the bodies are buried in Bush’s cemetery: the drinking, the cocaine, the mistresses, the expunged arrests, and maybe worse. If Bush and Rove make a move, they know Cheney will take them down with him.

    Point of curiosity: Cheney and his staff have played Gonzales like a fiddle. It makes me wonder how well he has played Rove all these years? Scorpions in a bottle if you ask me.

  • Ah yes, the Party of Tradition: when in doubt, get hold of a third-rate actor who “looks presidential” and can say read his lines without stammering or tripping over the furniture (Spencer Tracy’s advice to a young William Shatner during the filming of Judgement at Nuremburg as to what were the two most important aspects of being a good actor: “Learn your lines well enough that you don’t stammer and don’t trip over the furniture.”)

    It’s really amazing how the far right dorks are coalescing around Thompson. In my hobby, we have more than our share of far right idiots, and at another discussion group, in an “off-topic” thread on “For Strong-Minded Republicans” the halfwits were discussing how they don’t like Giuliani (his “liberal” views on guns and abortion and his marriages) and Romney (is he a Christian?) and McCain (doesn’t believe in loyalty to the party) and how they liked Thompson (“He says things that push all my buttons the right way”). It’s really true, they can be distracted easily by saying “Look! A shiny object!” A man with no resume of accomplishment in government, no record of ever promoting anything worthwhile during his time in office, who seems to be “someone you could like” and has a “certain demeanor” (these are actual quotes there) – come to think of it, Thompson is the ghost of Ronnie the Ray-Gun and the fantasies of about George W. Bush combined – no wonder the fools go for him.

  • How can anyone take this seriously?

    If Cheney thinks that he might resign then he doesn’t do things like make a stupid claim to be the 4th branch of government.

    Would Cheney say that he will resign if Bush grants him a pardon?

    Don’t forget no one can force Cheney to resign so you need to come up with a reason that Cheney thinks it is in HIS, Cheney’s best interest.

    Cheney is currently doing what he thinks is best, why would he listen to anyone now?

    Can anyone come up with any possible reason why it would be to Cheney’s advantage to resign?

  • Personally, I don’t think so. Quinn’s talk is shallow and fatuous (much like her.) Why the hell would anyone assume that Dick “Darth” Cheney would be willing to leave? Anyone who bases his views on Attila the Hun isn’t going to give up power in a gentleman’s manner.

    Besides, Dick probably asks himself, what would Attila do?

    Expect Darth to feast on various Republican insiders heart’s for even thinking about this.

  • After declaring he is a branch of government unto himself, he deserves a legislative bitch-slap of some magnitude. Impeachment may be the wisest course, but the opportunity for someone with a clear head to actually accomplish something through the Vice-Presidency in the remaining Bush years is a slight but clearly do-able possibility.

    Would the wisest course for our country be to enable the party that has brought this ruination on us a possibility to make things worse? I mean even IF a possible Veep replacement were to do some good by helping to straighten up the Iraq debacle or something, would it be in the country’s best interest to give these fools another shot at damaging our democracy or depriving us of even more civil rights?

    Bush, after all, has to break his own laws now that breaking the established ones has become .

  • Here’s the Beltway Insider Meme: Four more years of Bush with Fred Thompson.

    Thanks, Sally Quinn. But, no thanks. I’ll take “triangulating Hillary” in a New York minute. So, keep Cheney on the hook and keep Fred in the peanut gallery.

  • If that happens, Bush will simply blow the Congressional delegation off. He just doesn’t care.

  • I vote that we all act really scared of Thompson and of how replacing Cheney with Thompson would change the upcoming 2008 Republican Mass Extinction Event into a sure Republican victory. If leading Republicans start putting on pressure, I don’t think Cheney would last.

  • Bush, Cheney and Gonzales don’t care. My question to the Republicans is this: if the President, Vice President and Attorney General all openly operate outside of the laws of this country, do we still have a democracy? The recent rulings show that the Supreme Court no longer follows precedent. The Congress is impotent. How is this still a democracy? Wasn’t there a point in Rome where Julius took over and their equivalent of a Congress was left completely powerless – only later did historians realize that Rome from that point on was a dictatorship….

  • I remember Barry Goldwater sitting in my parents’ living room in 1973, in the last days of Watergate, debating whether to lead a group of senior Republicans to the White House to tell President Nixon he had to go. His hesitation was that he felt loyalty to the president and the party. But in the end he felt a greater loyalty to his country, and he went to the White House.

    Jee-zus. The “last days of Watergate” and Goldwater’s famous trip down to the White House happened in August 1974 – and wouldn’t have been conceivable until the “smoking gun” tape came out that month. If she’s trying to convince us of her own importance because she was privy to historical moments that supposedly occurred in her “parents’ living room” (all these guys worked together on Capitol Hill but for some reason Sen. Goldwater felt that they had to traipse over to the Quinn manse and debate it in front of Sally first? Please..) they very least she can do is get the dates right.

    “Hack, party of one…”

  • Who’s going to fire him? Shrub?

    It’s a fairly safe bet that Dick doesn’t get the dry heaves when little George throws a temper tantrum.

    These clowns are so focused on the “judgment of history”, there is no way, no way either of them would agree to participate in a demonstration of the total failure of their terms in office.

    Without Cheney Bush is NOBODY, without Bush Cheney is committing treason.

  • “The big question right now among Republicans is how to remove Vice President Cheney from office.”

    It’ll be like trying to remove any bloodsucker.

  • What I get from Quinn’s article is that the Republican grumbling is getting louder, more and more are looking longingly at what lies outside the gates of the Bush/Cheney reservation, as it sinks in that the quid pro quo for having been loyal lapdogs and giving Bush whatever he wanted, is a VP out of control and their hopes of taking the White House and Congress circling the drain.

    I think the reason there might be more truth than rumor to this is that Fred is clearly the anointed successor. He’s loading up his campaign staff with tested Rove protégés and others in the Cheney mold – and if Cheney thought his bowing out officially – because you know he would continue to “advise” – would offer the best chance to continue the legacy of dictatorial government, I think he might actually do it.

  • It sounds like the business interests in the republican party are getting worried they may no longer control the executive and legislative branches of government after the 2008 election. Then, they lose control of replacing the supreme court justices who are hanging on until the election in the hopes a dem wins. Not that anything will be done – we’ve heard stuff like this before – repubs are jumping ship, repubs are going to force Bush to get out of Iraq, etc., but nothing happens. More hot air. Cheney is an egomania addicted to power – he’s not going anywhere.

  • The real question is whether Cheney will engineer a national “emergency” so the election is suspended and Bush (as noted in CB’s previous posts) then becomes “Supreme Leader” at which point Cheney takes him pheasant hunting.

  • ***Can anyone come up with any possible reason why it would be to Cheney’s advantage to resign?***
    ———————————-neil wilson

    RESIGN, OR BE PROSECUTED.

    Give ol’ “Darth Dick” a choice between (1) resigning, renouncing his US citizenship, and leaving the country (and it might even be worth a Presidential pardon, just to get him out of the US)—and (2) being impeached, convicted, and summarily extradited to Baghdad for his crimes against the Iraqi People. As an added incentive, show him the execution videos from all those Baathist hangings. Saddam didn’t look too good with his neck snapped, and I seem to recall one of the condemned “literally losing his head” in the ordeal.

    Choice is yours, Darth Dick:

    RESIGN, OR BE PROSECUTED.

    As an aside, giving Cheney to the Iraqis would do a lot to “take the wind out of the insurrection’s sails,” so to speak. It would certainly do a lot better than this stupid “surge” thing we’ve got going on now….

  • I wonder what kind of meds Bush is on?

    Somehow, when I picture Cheney leaving — particularly via impeachment — I imagine the Paris HIlton scenario in the jail cell, with Bush crying and screaming, unable to handle being supposedly in charge…

  • I’d love it if were so. The repub rank and file would go into open civil war if they gave this sort of welfare to Thompson. As lame as their presidential field is, each has their supporters. If the repub bigwigs pulled something this brazen, a lot of angry repubs would unite to take down Red Truck Freddy.

  • It’s not going to happen. For one thing, Cheney’s shop is too integral to the functioning, such as it is, of the Bush administration. Taking him out would be akin to a person trying to survive without a central nervous system.

    For another, I increasingly believe that Rove and Cheney want Giuliani to win the nomination. They probably see him as the best vehicle to perpetuate Republican power; neither of those two monsters really gives a shit about the social reactionary agenda, and Il Rudi has the same sociopath/authoritarian streak as The Dickster.

    What’s really scary to think about is Giuliani charging through all the dark doors of power that Cheney has forced open.

  • Mike: It sounds like the business interests in the republican party are getting worried they may no longer control the executive and legislative branches of government after the 2008 election. Then, they lose control of replacing the supreme court justices who are hanging on until the election in the hopes a dem wins…

    Yep. They can read the polls. They’re not crazy. They know how much $ a 2008 Democratic landslide would cost them, especially with today’s (bloggy) dynamics. And they are the ones who decide if Cheney stays.

    I think Cheney steps down “for health reasons” and cashes in, knowing he has to “take one for the team”. Thompson steps in, plays the “centrist tough guy who’s folksy but really smart” and moonwalks away from Bush just enough to convince the moron “independents”. The wingnuts fall in line because they hate Dems more than Satan. Would it work? Depends on how many terrorist alerts we have (I predict an increase).

    We may have a problem on our hands unless we get a strong candidate (like Gore) to mop the floor with Thompson’s redneck ass.

  • Racerx, I think that’s Thompson”s redtruck ass. He clearly has never worked in the sun long enough to get a redneck.

    Gore, please run!

  • This is insane, if no other reason than there is no way in hell Congress will confirm Thompson. With less than 18 months until an election the Dems can run out the clock and leave Thompson dangling in limbo. Ms. Quinn may have hit the martinis a little to heavily last night.

  • If Bush actually goes through this and appoints a vice president after Cheney’s resignation, then isn’t that an argument that the vice presidential office is under the executive branch?

  • Bush will try to fire Cheney the day after he fires Fredo Gonzales.

    But if Bush does try to fire Cheney, I think that Cheney would tell Bush the same thing he told Sen Leahy.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/5289848/

    The only way Cheney would leave his office is feet first.

  • I had more or less turned against the idea of impeachment, no matter how deserved, for Dubya and Darth Cheney to avoid distractions and possible backlash against the Democrats. However, the latest revelations about Cheney seem that it not only should be attempted, it MUST be attempted. Cheney would never quit and Dubya can’t fire him since he is an elected official, even if he wanted to. Chris Dodd has already come out against the idea, which I suspect will be where all the presidential contenders will come down, afraid of any blowback, but this MUST be tried. Darth Cheney has to go. Dubya would be able to nominate a replacement, but with such a short time left in his term, I think it’s possible that any veep replacement could be stalled and in the unlikely event that something happens to Dubya before his term ends, it would make Nancy Pelosi next in line, which is fine by me.

  • Bush doesn’t want any vice-president who makes him look bad.

    If enough Republicans harp on the meme that Bush is under Cheney’s thumb, and if they get through the bubble, Bush might fire Cheney. However, he won’t choose Thompson as the new VP; Thompson is much too charismatic (at least to Republicans) and Bush wouldn’t tolerate the competition. Maybe Dan Quayle?

    By the way, I suspect the Democrats would confirm anybody with a pulse if it meant getting rid of Cheney.

  • Today, another group of party elders, led by Sen. John Warner of Virginia, could well do the same.

    No, they couldn’t. Not one of these gutless wonders would do anything to appear unsupportive of their beloved War President. None have a tenth of the actual love of country Goldwater professed. Sorry, Sally, it ain’t gonna happen, any more than Congress would suddenly find their collective impeachment backbone.

    We are stuck with these “scorpions in a bottle” until 2009, and even then look for the fascists to come up with some sudden “national emergency” to hang on to power a little (or perhaps a LOT) longer.

    -GFO

  • ***The only way Cheney would leave his office is feet first.***

    Electro Magnetic Pulse. EMP, for short. A common side-effect of a nuclear detonation. Maybe we can get Darth Dick close enough to Iran when the shit hits the fan. He’ll want a front seat when that mushroom cloud forms over Tehran, so we just have to get him close enough for EMP to fry his little cardio-implant device.

    Although, a near miss resulting in a groundburst in Cheney’s lap wouldn’t be all that bad, either. I suggest the 5 megaton thermonuclear entree, with a side of Cobalt….

  • His hesitation was that he felt loyalty to the president and the party. But in the end he felt a greater loyalty to his country, and he went to the White House.

    That’s where you should have stopped reading. That person doesn’t exist in the current GOP.

  • The only way to get rid of a sitting veep is for him to die, for him to resign or for him to be impeached. Bush cannot fire Cheney, he is a constitutionally protected elected official.

    The only reason I hope the Reps do convince Cheney to resign and think the Dems would cake walk his replacement through confirmation hearings is because we are all terrified of how much power Cheney weilds and because we know he wants to start the war with Iran. So anyone would prolly be better than Cheney.

    For our Constitution, Cheney must be impeached. I think if the dems don’t stand up to some of Cheney’s more egregious treasons, then they will suffer electoral backlash. And they certainly will be painted as appeasers and as co-conspiratos by history.

    Protect and defend the Constitution from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic! uphold your oaths of office people. or get the hell out of the way, and we the people will bring the pitchforks, tar and feathers.

  • “–big question right now among Republicans is how to remove Vice President Cheney from office”

    How to you remove the Godfather without being removed yourself? Case in point, Lugar obviously doesn’t like Cheney’s never-ending war, and Lugar knows that Cheney isn’t his friend but clearly Lugar is more concerned about Cheney being his enemy. It’s why Repugs recant so very often or haven’t you noticed?

    You know tricky Dicky can wiretap anyone he wants too, but that said, there are many Repugs that don’t like Dick and have taken an issue with this administration, however, frankly sometimes things have to get really bad for anyone to take action. Dems don’t have any spine but we’re starting to notice that Repugs certainly don’t have one either. Taking Dick out could lead any wayward GOP congress member to a blacklisting and a power castration.

    And please, Sally Quinn would be the type of “opinion” columnist to name names, cause she’s no Dana Priest, hell no, she’s an old gossip columnist that likes to talk. Smart Repugs would do well not to tell Ms. Quinn that they don’t like Dick, cause tricky Dicky is not afraid to torture people, wiretap anyone and he never lets any law get in his way.

  • Fred Thompson???

    The guy that is trying to get Libby off the hook… and thus back into the good graces of tricky Dicky. No, I don’t think so.

    Trent Lott would do it in a NY minute, and be a much better choice.

  • Impeach Cheney? No way. Bush, maybe. For Cheney, only the Hague, followed by Gitmo is good enough.

  • Come hell or high water, or both, Cheney will remain VP until noon, January 20, 2009. The only question is whether he’ll still be VP when he goes to bed that night.

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