Republican rank-and-file open to third-party bid

We’ve seen a growing body of evidence of late that far-right social conservatives really are prepared to break with the Republican Party if Rudy Giuliani is the GOP’s presidential nominee. An LAT/Bloomberg poll released last week, for example, found that Giuliani is still the frontrunner for the Republican nomination, but “about one-third of GOP voters said they would consider supporting a third-party candidate in the general election if the party nominee supported abortion and gay rights.”

A new survey conducted by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center found even more striking results.

[A] solid majority of Republican white evangelicals (55%) say they would at least consider voting for a conservative third-party candidate if the general election is between Giuliani and Clinton. Overall, 44% of Republicans and Republican-leaning voters say they would consider backing a third-party candidate who holds more conservative positions than Giuliani on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

So, more than half of white evangelical Republicans are prepared to withhold support from the GOP next year — and according to the data, these evangelicals comprise more than a third of the party.

No wonder Giuliani is trying to reposition himself as pro-life.

The closer one looks at the Pew results, the more unhappy the Republican Party appears. Nearly 70% of Dems are happy with their party’s presidential candidates, while only 50% of Republicans can say the same thing.

Even more importantly, Hillary Clinton backers side with their candidate because they like her. Rudy Giuliani may be leading the GOP field, but his supporters aren’t motivated by their affection for him at all.

Clinton’s supporters are much more positive about her candidacy than are Giuliani’s. Roughly three-quarters of voters who favor Clinton (76%) say their choice is more a vote for the New York senator, compared with 20% who say their choice is mostly a vote against Giuliani. By contrast, Giuliani’s support is divided fairly evenly between those who see their choice as a vote for Giuliani (46%) and those who say it is a vote against Clinton (50%). (emphasis in the original)

Giuliani’s position as the GOP frontrunner appears to be built almost entirely on the notion of electability, and Republicans don’t seem to agree with him on policy matters at all. As Pew’s report noted, “Giuliani’s stances on issues are cited less as a reason to support him than has been the case for any presidential candidate since 1992.”

If Giuliani’s Republican rivals don’t use this to undermine confidence in Giuliani’s campaign, they’re missing a huge opportunity. A year before the election, a majority of the party’s most loyal voters, and a near-majority of the rank-and-file, are already open to voting against the party. That’s amazing.

…Hillary Clinton backers side with their candidate because they like her.

Yea? How do they like her Senate voting record?

What are her “stances on issues” such as the unconstitutional U.S. Military Occupation of Iraq, on civil liberties, and restoring the checks and balances of our Constitutional Republic?

  • If Giuliani wins the nomination the GOP will fracture. Even if they don’t produce a credible 3rd party candidate, the conservatives will stay at home in droves. All the better I say.

  • If the Republican party (the current minority party) splits into two parties, then this would be the last election with a Republican candidate. Demographics alone was going to eliminate the Republicans (or any conservative party) in the next twenty to thirty years. The incompentence of the Bush Administration has sped up the process.

    If the Republicans split into two small, irrelevant parties, then the U.S. becomes a one party state starting in 2009.

    The real question should be how will the U.S. function as a one party state. Who will be the winners and losers.

  • Stop it. The repubs are not splitting. The key historical figure to understanding Republican strategists is Bismark who remedied a fractured Germany by pointing to “outside” forces to overcome a Protestant-Catholic division. Islamofacism and illegal immigration are the outside forces. The old lapdog of communism resurfaces by focusing on socialized medicine and a the fear of a weak military. The dems are the face of those external terrors. Nothing abotu nominating Rudy changes those dynamics. If Rudy is the nominee they those things will get set to 11 on the amplifier.

  • This may make for the interesting scenario where it makes sense for the DNC to spend money in the general educating Republicans about their own candidate’s prior positions.

  • I aggree with eric that the republican party will not split, but it will become
    irrelavant.The ‘old lapdogs’ he lists have lost some of their bite,
    first by virture of the rapidly growing support for a single payer system and
    second by the growing recognition of the fact that it is the republican support
    for bush’s policies that have already created a weakened military. The 24%ers will hold fast and the trend of disillusioned (sp) republicans switching party affiliation (see Kansas and most recently
    John Cole) will continue. imho,if a split occurs, it will be in the democratic party
    between the (enter your combative factions here).

  • Interesting… this almost seems like a replay of the 2004 election in some ways, with the scenario flipped– at least based on my own personal experience of talking to family/friends, a lot of liberals I know voted for Kerry not because they were huge supporters, but because they wanted to vote against Bush.

  • If the Republican party (the current minority party) splits into two parties, then this would be the last election with a Republican candidate.

    Ah, when I was very young I naively believed that it was possible to mount a challenge to the current two-party system. (That must have been 1980 or so, when I was 21 and voted for Barry Commoner for president.) Now I know better. The two major parties are like cockroaches — you can never kill ’em off.

    And eric is absolutely right in comment #4 about what the GOP will do this year.

  • Ultimately, the Repubs desire for power will trump any perception of Giuliani being soft on neocon issues. Only some moderates and liberals have the cojones to let their vote mean something by voting for third party candidates if they truly feel that candidate represents their agenda better. It suits that whole “one drop of water every second will eventually erode a boulder” we shall overcome mentality of the left. Repubs don’t want to “overcome,” they want to conquer. And they stoop to conquer. And they’ll stoop to vote for Rudy when he gets the nod.

  • Ok, JKap, I’ll take you up on this one:

    On November 1st, 2007 at 10:33 am, JKap said:
    …Hillary Clinton backers side with their candidate because they like her.

    Yea? How do they like her Senate voting record?

    Using just the Project Vote Smart site you linked to, I suspect there is a reason most mainstream Dems find HRC quite acceptable, as the polling shows – and it isn’t just name recognition or ignorance. I would expect the average active Democratic voter to have a lot in common with this:

    NARAL 2006 voting score – 100%
    Planned Parenthood 2006 score – 100%
    National Farmers Union 2006 – 83% (Farm Bureau, on the other hand, 29%)
    Humane Society and ASPCA, most recent – both 100%
    National Shareholders Union (Club for Growth types), most recent – 10%
    Bus. & Industrry PAC (same) – most recent 27%
    Americans United for Sep. of Church and State – 2006 – 100%
    ACLU – 83%
    NAACP – 96%
    Human Rights Campaign – 89%
    American Conservative Union – 8%
    Assn of Alcohol & Drug Counselors – 100%
    English First – 0%
    Natl Education Assn – 100%
    Nat’l Parent-Teacher Assn – 93% (most recent)
    American Wind Energy – 100%
    Defenders of Wildlife – 82%
    Childrens Defense Fund – 90% (100% in 2005)
    Council for a Livable World – 75%
    Friends (Quakers) Committee – 92%
    PeacePAC 2005 – 100%
    Public Interest Research Group – 91%
    NRA – F
    Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence – 100%
    American Public Health Assn – 100%
    AFL-CIO – 93%
    Americans for Democratic Action – 95%
    People for the American Way (most recent) – 92%
    Center for Security Policy (Repubs score high) – 32%
    Bread for the World – 100%
    NOW – 96%

    Care to tell me what among those would drive Democratic primary voters away from Clinton in droves? That looks like a damn good – and damned liberal – record to me.

  • If Rudy is the nominee they those things will get set to 11 on the amplifier.

    I think you meant 9-11.

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