Republicans used to love withholding funds for wars they didn’t like

I realize it’s foolish to look for a magic-bullet argument that would effectively shut down the GOP attacks against critics of the war in Iraq, but for me, the fact that congressional Republicans have said and done the same things during previous wars that Dems are doing now should end the discussion. Game over, thanks for playing, see you next time.

This has come up before, but Nico raises a good one today. Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) has a plan whereby only troops with adequate training and equipment can be sent to Iraq. Congressional Republicans have tapped Rep. Sam Johnson (R-Texas), a fellow Vietnam vet to help lead the attack against Murtha’s “readiness strategy.” During last week’s House debate, Johnson repeated most of the nonsensical talking points we’ve come to expect.

“Debating non-binding resolutions aimed at earning political points only destroys morale, stymies success, and emboldens the enemy.

“The grim reality is that this House measure is the first step to cutting funding of the troops…Just ask John Murtha about his ‘slow-bleed’ plan that hamstrings our troops in harm’s way.”

Except, as Digby noted, when President Clinton decided to send U.S. forces to Bosnia in 1995, Johnson announced, “I wholeheartedly support withholding funds… Although it is a drastic step and ties the President’s hands, I do not feel like we have any other choice. The President has tied our hands, gone against the wishes of the American people, and this is the last best way I know how to show my respect for our American servicemen and women. They are helpless, following orders. But we, we are in a position to stop this terrible mistake before it happens.”

What’s more, this phenomenon isn’t limited to 1995 and Bosnia.

When Republicans didn’t like the conflict in Somalia in 1993, the congressional GOP decided Congress had all kinds of authority to intervene, whether the president liked it or not. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), for example, on Oct. 19, 1993, argued that Congress had the power to force Clinton to begin an “immediate, orderly withdrawal from Somalia.” He added, “[I]f we do not do that and other Americans die, other Americans are wounded, other Americans are captured because we stay too long — longer than necessary — then I would say that the responsibilities for that lie with the Congress of the United States who did not exercise their authority under the Constitution of the United States.”

Strom Thurmond (R-S.C.) said Congress should “force the administration to find a way out of the quagmire.” Dirk Kempthorne (R-Idaho) said it was up to the Senate “to get the American troops home.” Slade Gorton (R-Wash.) said, “It is time to retreat now…. It is time to leave and for this body, it is time to debate this issue.” Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.) said, “I cannot continue to support … the continuing endangerment of Americans in the service of a policy that remains absolutely mysterious and totally muddled.”

For that matter, one could hear congressional Republicans, including McCain, making the same arguments about U.S. troops in Beirut in 1983.

There’s room for a serious debate here. Lawmakers can and should explore which course of action is likely to be successful in Iraq. But Republicans don’t seem to want to do that — to disagree with Bush, and to say so publicly, is borderline treason. It apparently doesn’t matter that these same Republicans, under nearly identical circumstances, said the same things Democrats are saying now. When Republicans criticize a war, want to bring the troops home, and consider cutting off funding for a conflict, they’re exercising good judgment. When Democrats criticize a war, want to bring the troops home, and consider cutting off funding for a conflict, they’re terrorist-sympathizing, troop-hating traitors.

It’s naive to expect ideological or intellectual consistency from these guys, but the next time there’s a floor debate on the war, I’d just like to see a Dem stand up and start reading Republican quotes during the conflicts in Bosnia, Kosovo, Somalia, and Beirut. If the GOP can explain why Republicans have the right to dissent and Dems don’t, I’m anxious to hear it.

and who were these dastardly republicans arguing against? the same democrats who are now taking the other side. this is politics, hypocrits abound on both sides. CB, you are the pot calling the kettle black.

  • If Republicans are so inconstant these days, then maybe it’s possible that the Father of the GOP, Abraham Lincoln, did a 180 from being a Mexican War critic to deciding that disloyal Congressmen should be hanged (notwithstanding the fact that he never said such a thing).

  • #1 – Unless you can show that Democrats at the time were calling it treason to debate the withdrawal of funds/troops, you are wrong. Disagreement/debate over policy is one thing, calling your fellow Representatives traitors is another thing.

  • It isn’t “tit for tat.”

    In 1993 the Democrats were arguing for funding a war and the Republicans were arguing for not funding a war.

    In 2007 the Democrats are arguing for not funding a war and the Republicans are calling the Democrats terrorists and traitors.

    In 1993 the Senate debated whether continuing a war was in the best interest of the United States.

    In 2007 we can’t even have the debate because the Republicans are shutting it down.

    It’s not the same and an intellectually honest person would recognize that.

  • I would not equate the action in Bosnia with Iraq. The Somalia mess has it’s similarities (including that it was initiated by a President named George Bush), but Bosnia seems to have been done with a lot of cooperation with allies, and with some competence.

  • “tit for tat” has a point, that hypocrisy is often a two-way street when the sides are reversed. In this case, if the record shows that Democrats opposed a de-funding resolution by calling Republicans disloyal and unpatriotic, then it is just politics (where “politics” is defined as mutually annihilating hypocrisy). If not, then Republicans are the sole owners of this hypocrisy.

    Rambuncle beat me to it.

  • CB, you called it perfectly right: When Republicans don’t like a war with a Democrat as president, they feel it’s their constitutional and patriotic duty to oppose and defund it, however, when the Democrats oppose a war with a Republican as president, it means–to the Republicans– just the opposite: the Democrats are terrorist sympathizers using unconstitutional means and very unpatriotic!! How very hypocritical the Republicans are!!

    Let’s hope the Democrats use video clips showing examples of the Republicans’ two-facedness and of Democrats’ contrasting uniform stances in the coming ’08 elections.

  • There’s no way this war compares to Somalia or Beirut. This quagmire makes those two adventures look like a tea party.

    We’re almost out of troops and ammo. The troops are still deep in enemy territory. At any moment, we could see a “Tet” style event. And the Republicans are responsible.

    2008 will not be kind, and they’re acting like cornered animals.

  • …these same Republicans, under nearly identical circumstances…

    the major difference of course being a Democratic President in the White House (and a competently managed war).

  • A big difference in the tit for tat game we have going on today regarding voting to defund the millitary…….

    I dont remember a SINGLE GOP Congressman having his patritoism challenged during the Clinton years nor do I remember a mainstream media playing along with the anti-US or anti Troop rhetoric we have grown accustomed to in this day and age.

    Yet again, the fact that DEM leadership refuses to issue some sort of talking point memo for its members and the media at large, that includes this sort of blatant hypocritical behavior by GOP members is beyond me. The media is not going to do the job of clarifying the record in a broader scope…and until DEM leadership realizes it…they are going to get their asses handed to them each and every news cycle as it relates to troop support and this war.

  • I agree that this war is not really in the same category as the aforementioned conflicts. This is WAY bigger, with much broader implications. It is also grossly mismanaged- criminally devised and executed. Republicans and neo-cons ARE cornered animals because they see themselves in danger. They’ve had six years of complete control and they got all that they could have wanted- and look what they’ve given the American people. They’re terrified of being exposed for who they really are and for all of the facts and dirty little secrets to come out. The only good to come from the last 6 years, and to come from this neo-con movement as a whole, may be that they now have noone else to blame and we get to see them for what they are- a bunch of thin-skinned, corrupt bullies. Now if we could only get the democrats to quit being such a bunch of goddamn sallys and show some LEADERSHIP to finish them off.

  • Sam Johnson co-sponsored two House resolutions calling for the U.S. to withdraw from Somalia (H.Res. 239 and H.Con.Res.163).

    John Boehner was also a co-sponsor of H.Res. 239.

    On Feb. 15 Johnson said: “The enemy wants our men and women in uniform to think their Congress doesn’t care about them. We cannot leave a job undone like we left in . . . Somalia.” He then quoted Osama bin Laden: “In Somalia, the United States pulled out, trailing disappointment, defeat, and failure behind it.” And here is what John Boehner said in a GOP press conference on Feb. 13: “Look what happened when we pulled out of Somalia. We left chaos in our wake. That chaos has come back to haunt us. And if we pull out of Iraq that chaos will haunt us once again.”

    The ironic thing is that H.Res.239 implied — and H.Con.Res. 163 stated in so many words — that the mission in Somalia had been successfully completed.

    Now they seem to agree with Osama bin Laden rather than themselves.

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