Right continues to declare the ‘death of science’

By way of John Cole, we find a startling post from Mark Noonan, a leading far-right blogger, who does not appear to be kidding.

[T]oday ii [sic] occured [sic] to me: science is dead. We have reached the end of the Age of Science – what will come after, I don’t know, but I don’t think that we’ll ever again have a time when Science is enshrined as some sort of god-like arbiter of right and wrong. The question now: what killed science?

A lot of different factors – but the main thing was that science could only thrive as it did from about 1650 until 1850 when everyone agreed on the rules. The prime rule of science was truth – everyone involved in science had to tell the truth to the best of their ability, and always be willing to correct one’s views when new evidence called in to question previously held beliefs. What killed science was when its strongest advocates stopped telling the truth.

It was, after all, science and its enthusiasts which fell for the Piltdown Man, Haekel’s embryos, eugenics, Population Bomb, ALAR, etc, etc, etc. So many bogus theories, dressed up as science, and greeted by the believers in science as the be-all and end-all of existence. After a while, it was bound to errode [sic] the foundations of science – and now it has. Science is now so intertwined with myth and political gamesmanship that whatever judgements [sic] are pronounced under the cover of science are immediately suspect – everyone who hears such things wonders when some future science will completely refute what is held as rock-solid science today.

As Noonan sees it, these “problems” stem from our failure to force religion on people. When scientists failed to learn “the relationship of man to creation, and his Creator,” they went astray.

Oh, where to begin.

First, as Cole noted, a Noonan commenter “points out that the self-correcting nature of science is what exposed theories previously held to be true to be inaccurate.” In other words, Noonan dismisses science because of a handful of notorious hoaxes and abuses — which were exposed thanks to science and the scientific method. The logic seemed lost on Noonan, which, as it turns out, is not terribly surprising.

Second, as Cole also noted, Noonan would replace real science with notions such as intelligent-design creationism, pushed by far-right groups such as the Discovery Institute. These activists, Noonan said, “will soon start to really educate people.” I can hardly wait.

Third, if the right were truly worried about the integrity of science, they probably ought to be a little more concerned about their president, who has a habit of muzzling scientists at NASA, ignoring scientists at the EPA, and punishing scientists who stray from the party line at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the U.S. Geological Survey, promoting creationism in public school science classes, rejecting all scientific evidence as it relates to global warming, dismissing and restricting the scientific breakthroughs promised by stem-cell research, and generally on using bogus science to justify his political agenda.

And, finally, I think posts like Noonan’s are important to highlight the height of anti-intellectualism that the right has embraced so enthusiastically. Indeed, Peggy Noonan penned a similar piece bashing science in the Wall Street Journal just a couple of months ago. Modern science offers lessons they don’t like (biology) and truths with which they’re uncomfortable (global warming), so naturally, they lash out against the discipline and declare it “dead.” It’s a sadly predictable conservative approach to reality.

Here’s Cole with the final word:

Science is alive and well, but the GOP is not — it is currently led by hacks, frauds, religionists, self-concerned activists, and deluded fools. Bookmark this post so in the future, when asked, you can provide people with a short description of what it means to be a “Bush dead-ender.”

CB – I don’t think he is all that worried about the death of science.

  • This seems like a well reasoned and logical opinion. The era of science is dead and it is being replaced by the era of dictatorial fear mongering corporate-religious facism. Hooorah!!!! The saddest part of this is that more than two people wil lend credence to this idea. Does anyone know what time the CNN special report on the death of science is scheduled?

  • Those types of posts are typical of Noonan on his Butts4Bush (my name for them) site. I have trolled their blog since I started my blog, and have posted and commented on their most ridiculous assertions, on my blog.

    I tried to post on their blog, but my responses were deleted. I didn’t post anything that would warrant blocking me, but block they did. In fact, one or two of their regulars came over to spam my blog, which was nice of them. Like most right wing blogs, they limit and/or prevent comments from being posted. Butts4Bush hasn’t found a right wing talking point that they disagreed with yet.

  • Well funny how science is dead, yet look at AIDS, cancer, and DNA compared to 20 years ago. How many advancements have we made in medicine & technology in the last 10 years ?

    “Excuse me Me Noonan, that rag you write for is called a blog, and it’s part of that thingamajiggy called the internet, but science is dead, right ? And let’s not forget those dealeo’s called smart bombs and that crazy voodoo magic pharmaceuticals.”

    I think it is amazing time to be alive with all the science going on, despite the right wing. I feel like science has never been so alive.

  • I’ve seen shit like this before on various forums and postings done by Right Winjer morons.

    Unlike their view of god, Science is NOT perfect. We (I somewhat include myself as I am an engineer) are human and have a tendency to let our stupidities, failings and biases enter our work. However, most of us in science recognize that and that is why we do many peer review studies. This is also why we don’t give definate answers because it would be incredibly stupid and arrogant to assume we nailed down the final answer.

    These are the words of a pompous blowhard who can barely comprehend any of what science actually does and has little mental agility to deal with changes in reality so he seeks the comfort of entering his logic proof shell of arrogant dumbassness surrounded by mythos and happy thoughts.

    Perhaps if he feels that science is flawed then he can do us all a favor and live without the communications and electronic devices that us science type guys provide. Seems a bit hypocritical to piss on science and yet use the fruits of such science but then again logic never really applied to wing nuts anyway.

  • Conservatives, particularly Theocratic Reactionaries but also the Texas Oil Mafia, want Science to be dead (from falling into the hands of Secular Humanists) so they can bury it without being called murderers.

    But Science is alive and well, and their attempted murder should be called as such.

  • As a professional writer, that post from Noonan made me [sic].

    Of course, what he fails to mention is that the replacement they want for science — religious doctrine — isn’t truth, nor can it be tested or refuted. And that’s what they love about it. After all, they can’t be proven wrong if what they believe in can’t be proven to begin with.

  • More accurately, science is dead to the right wing. They’ve shown over and over again that they have no use for “truth” and prefer that their opinions just alway be correct and everyone else’s is full of crap. The right’s right and everyone else is wrong. … And why have something as triffling as science provide evidence to the contrary.

    I stumbled onto a great link last night that encapsulates this whole argument and its refutation well – http://www.aboyandhiscomputer.com/Greetings_from_Idiot_America.html . Some of my favorite quotes from it are:

    “And in Dover, Pennsylvania, during one of these many controversies, a pastor named Ray Mummert delivers the line that both ends our tour and, in every real sense, sums it up: ‘We’ve been attacked,’ he says, ‘by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture.'”

    and

    “Hofstadter saw this one coming. ‘Intellect is pitted against feeling,’ he wrote, ‘on the ground that it is somehow inconsistent with warm emotion. It is pitted against character, because it is widely believed that intellect stands for mere cleverness, which transmutes easily into the sly or the diabolical.'”

    So there you have it. A smart person who pays heed to science, like a Kerry or Gore, is likely to use it in some way to pull one over on us with his guile. But a guy like Bush who is anti-intellect and plays from the gut is more likely to be trusted because he’s acting on his emotions and not acting in a clever fashion. It’s not too much of a stretch to therefore conclude that someone who “thinks” from their gut has sh-t for brains.

  • More accurately, science is dead to the right wing. They’ve shown over and over again that they have no use for “truth” and prefer that their opinions just alway be correct and everyone else’s is full of crap. The right’s right and everyone else is wrong. … And why have something as triffling as science provide evidence to the contrary.

    I stumbled onto a great link last night that encapsulates this whole argument and its refutation well – http://www.aboyandhiscomputer.com/Greetings_from_Idiot_America.html . Some of my favorite quotes from it are:

    “And in Dover, Pennsylvania, during one of these many controversies, a pastor named Ray Mummert delivers the line that both ends our tour and, in every real sense, sums it up: ‘We’ve been attacked,’ he says, ‘by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture.'”

    and

    “Hofstadter saw this one coming. ‘Intellect is pitted against feeling,’ he wrote, ‘on the ground that it is somehow inconsistent with warm emotion. It is pitted against character, because it is widely believed that intellect stands for mere cleverness, which transmutes easily into the sly or the diabolical.'”

    So there you have it. A smart person who pays heed to science, like a Kerry or Gore, is likely to use it in some way to pull one over on us with his guile. But a guy like Bush who is anti-intellect and plays from the gut is more likely to be trusted because he’s acting on his emotions and not acting in a clever fashion. It’s not too much of a stretch to therefore conclude that someone who “thinks” from their gut has sh-t for brains.

  • “…it is widely believed that intellect stands for mere cleverness, which transmutes easily into the sly or the diabolical.'” – Hofstadter

    Wow! Intellect leads to the devil. God is stupid?

    I understand why priests don’t want us to use our brains. After all, close examination of any religion shows its flaws and contridictions. But this is kind of blatant.

  • What amazes me is how the science is dead crowd does not seem to link the marvels of our technological age with science, as if everything from toasters to light bulbs to the Internet itself, ironically the medium used by this fool to declare the death of science, were all the creations of God or some wizard. They are staggeringly oblivious to the fact that our civilization is entirely dependent upon the fruits of science. We are ever more dependent on science for all the amenities of our daily lives.

    Nobody calls electricity a lie, or automobiles, or airplanes, or bombs, or air conditioners, or televisions, or computers, or Mars rovers, et al, but science is a lie. They are so disconnected from reality that you can’t appreciate it. My mind just cannot grasp what goes on inside theirs.

  • Rumors of God’s death have been greatly misunderestimated. The third of the country whose lack of curiosity and Luddite gullibility to superstition create the situation in which even a chimpanzee can be president are cowering in caves fearing the light of their own mortality and intellectual deficiencies. Their fear of public education stems from their fully justified fear that their children will recognize them for what they are. They may impede and frustrate the march of scientific advance, but time is on our side. No wonder they are so obsessed with End Times.

  • Too many Noonans!

    Are Mark and Peggy related? Do they hang out together and come up with this stuff as a tag-team?

  • “Science is alive and well, but the GOP is not — it is currently led by hacks, frauds, religionists, self-concerned activists, and deluded fools.”

    Give that guy an A+. He so totally nails the situation with that description. Every Democrat in the country should shout it from the hilltops, for it is verily as he hath spaken, by Jove.

  • [T]oday ii [sic] occured [sic] to me: science is dead.

    He also murdered the English language at the same time. Apparently for Noonan, high school was just 6 hours of lunch.

  • I myself refuse to accept the “theory” that the earth circles the sun.

    It’s the sun that moves across the sky, if you haven’t noticed.

    So if the earth moved AROUND the sun, the sun would stay in the same place all the time.

    Scientists are just stupid.

  • “Science is enshrined as some sort of god-like arbiter of right and wrong”

    Science, as such, has nothing to with right and wrong (or being god-like for that matter). Science, at its simplest, is a statement of observable fact: X leads to Y, where “X”, “Y” and “leads to” all have empirical referents. The statement is either true or false; or true, false or unknown; or has a “truth value” on a continuous scale from 1.0 to -1.0. Other statements may be logical consequences, but their truth hinges on the truth of the original statement.

    Ethics (right vs. wrong) is ultimately a question of like-dislike, approach-avoid, belief-nonbelief. Unlike science there are no “X leads to Y” statements, where X and Y are empirically measurable. Statements in ethics can be only be symbolized by “X+” or “X-“. It is precisely because such statements cannot be empirically refuted that mankind has debated and even waged war over them for countless millennia without any resolution. Which is the greater good, rule by the many or rule by the few? That can’t be answered empirically, any more than a system of ethics can decree whether cells divide or other galaxies exist.

    In the end, the question “Is it true?” simply cannot be (logically) confounded with “Is it good?” Philosophers argue “eternal questions; Science accumulates true statements and discards untrue ones.

    As a concluding “aside”, the conduct of scientific inquiry isn’t value-free. Science itself is value-free, but when we search for scientific truth, and when we apply the truths we’ve learned, human action is involved and, thus, ethical judgment. Genuine truths may or may not have been found through the Nazi experiments or the Tuskegee syphilis studies of the 1930s, but the act of yielding those truths was clearly immoral (to anyone claiming membership in the human community). Scientific knowledge made the atomic bomb and stem-cell medical applications possible; whether it was/is moral to use such knowledge is debatable on ethical grounds.

  • Science is not dead, but with all the effort that’s been put into its attack over the last 6 years, it’s been badly wounded. The problem with trying to rectifing religion and science has always been nasty little facts that keep popping up. One example would be the age of the earth – the religious right claims the earth is around 6,000 years old, as told by their bible, but geologic evidence suggest the earth is around 4.5 billion years old. Science and religion don’t tell us the same story; it’s like having two sets of books for the auditors. I do not believe that science can ever truely be killed. People by nature are curious and someone, somewhere, is bound to ask the age old question ‘why?’ and not be willing to take ‘because’ for the answer.

    Science is always evolving, with new evidence expanding our knowledge base. Yes, there’s been a handful of hoaxes, but they were quickly disproven using scientific evidence. Religion itself, has reluctantly changed its stance on the natural world given enough scientific evidence. It’s very hard for someone to argue that earth stays still while the sun revolves around it. Ironically, there is a lot of scientific evidence to support evolution, yet not enough for those that favor creationism to give up the argument. So far the best they can come up with is intelligent design – I don’t know how that species could possibly develope, so it must have been God! I still remember an incident from a college level anatomy course where my lab partner tried to convince me that women have more ribs than men. We were looking at the differences in the skeletons of men and women, and for bonus points, were tasked with identifing which was male, and which female. I started making measurements of the pelvis, while my lab partner began counting ribs. I was flabbergasted – had this young woman not been paying any attention in months of lectures? This was in the very blue state of Vermont.

    As nutty as Noonan is, the scarey scenario is that we are being conditioned to discourage scientific curiosity. This has been prevalent throughout Bush’s presidency – from denying that global warming exists, to stem cell research, to cutting funding for research for combat related brain injuries, to Bush’s mockery of scientific advisors (I was a C student, now I’m president, hehe). We are being conditioned to not question facts and believe what we are told. Saying that scientists are not not united in their stance on global warming makes a much better argument than saying a single scientist who happens to be Bush’s advisor on the subject disagrees with every other scientist.

  • Of course, if you follow the link to this moron’s “post” and care to comment, you will find that the comments section is now “moderated” by the staff of BlogsForBush (the White House of the Blogosphere) to maintain “seriousness of the discussion.”

    Yeah, right.

    These people are genetic proof of what happens when too many of their ancestors propagate through their siblings.

  • My partner at TAFM just posted this at Noonan’s Buttheads4Bush site:

    I am so releaved to read this and see someone that has the courage to stand up and say science is dead. For years I have told teachers in public schools we need to throw out Science and teach God, because God is the answer to all questions. In fact, I was helping my cousin with Math last year and he had some problems with division. Well he asked about math and what not, and I explained to him that God was the reason math existed. So he rightfully concluded that the answer to any division problem was God. After all, it does not matter how many times one number goes into another, because God is the answer. God decided how many times something goes into something, right? So anyway he wrote down God on all his tests and the teacher gave him an F. Clearly she wasn’t a Christian. At the end of the year they wanted to hold my cousin back a grade because he performed so low. Well if they taught the word of God and a good Christian Education this would not be a problem. So we homeschool him now and rather than give him A’s we give him J’s, for Jesus.
    God Bless
    Cletus

    It’s a test to see if they understand “irony.”

  • Actually I think these people would be happier if we got rid of the printing press and everything that came after. So much easier to keep the masses in check if only the priests can read and write.

    Somehow I don’t think Jesus or Muhammed would agree.

  • If you take the “noo” in “Noonan,” and move it to the right—and then you take the “nan” in “Noonan,” and move it to the left, you get “nannoo.”

    Next, since we’re discussing both Mark and Peggy, that would make 2 Noonans—thus, 2 “nannoo.”

    Say it with me now, people:

    Nannoo-nannoo.

    Sorry…every time I read either of these ninnyhammers I think oo that old Robin Williams character, “Mork from Ork” going around saying “nannoo nannoo” to everybody. It always seems to make at least as much sense as a Noonan diatribe…or Bushite science….

  • Of course he doesn’t use electricity, does he? Or other such nasty products of untruth as semiconductors and microchips. Of course not.

    Why give them the time of day? Ooops. Well, just a few nanoon-seconds.

    — and Cole’s final words.

  • Wow, I don’t know that science is dead, but judging from Noonan’s post, language arts are flipping terminal.

    Hey, can we somehow deactivate his vaccinations, turn off his clean water, and watch what happens? Hey, science bites!

  • Tom Cleaver, they deleted the post.

    “Deleted – Idiocy is not allowed

    Posted by: Clethus The Turtle Hunter at August 25, 2006 03:37 PM”

    I told you guys, any outsiders will be deleted. Trust me, Clethus will have a difficult time getting past Butts4Bush security! (chuckle)

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