Ron Paul confronted: ‘Do you really believe in all this?’

Depending on one’s tolerance and affinity for Ron Paul, one question from last night’s CNN/YouTube debate was either brilliant or offensive. A young man in Arlington, Texas, specifically asked the Texas lawmaker to clear something up for him.

“Now, I’ve met a lot of your supporters online, but I’ve noticed that a good number of them seem to buy into this conspiracy theory regarding the Council on Foreign Relations and some plan to make a North American Union by merging the United States with Canada and Mexico. These supporters of yours seem to think that you also believe in this theory.

“So my question to you is, do you really believe in all this, or are people just putting words in your mouth?”

He didn’t come right out and say it, but the questioner seemed to be saying, “You’re not really crazy, are you?”

Paul didn’t disappoint.

“Well, that all depends on what you mean by “all of this.” The CFR exists. The Trilateral Commission exists. And it’s a, quote, “conspiracy of ideas.” This is an ideological battle. Some people believe in globalism. Others of us believe in national sovereignty.

“And there is a move on toward a North American Union, just like early on there was am move on for a European Union, and it eventually ended up — so we had NAFTA and moving toward a NAFTA highway. These are real things. It’s not somebody made these up. It’s not a conspiracy. They don’t talk about it, and they might not admit about it, but there’s been money spent on it. There was legislation passed in the Texas legislature unanimously to put a hold on it. They’re planning on millions of acres taken by eminent domain for an international highway from Mexico to Canada, which is going to make the immigration problem that much worse.

“So it’s not so much a secretive conspiracy…. [I]t’s not so much it’s a sinister conspiracy; it’s just knowledge is out there. If we look for it, you’ll realize that our national sovereignty is under threat.”

In other words, no, Paul supporters aren’t putting words in his mouth.

First, I can’t help but enjoy the fact that, for the first time in presidential campaign history, a candidate talked about the Trilateral Commission on national television.

Second, a more importantly, there’s no such thing as a proposed NAFTA Superhighway. Texas state lawmakers may have passed a bill opposing it, but that just means Texas state lawmakers took a firm stand against an internet-rumor about a highway project that doesn’t exist.

And third, I suppose Paul deserves some credit for consistency. Some candidates say nutty things to supporters, but then put on a more presentable face for national television audiences. Not Paul — he was asked if he sees a sinister force involving the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, and some notion of a North American Union, and he had the courage to say, in effect, “Yep.” That doesn’t make him right, of course, but I can appreciate it when oddballs stick to their principles.

Speaking of Paul, one question came up that I’ve been thinking about for a while now:

Q Mark Strauss, Davenport, Iowa. This question is for Ron Paul. Mr. Paul, I think we both know that the Republican Party’s never going to give you the nomination, but I’m hoping that you’re crazy like a fox like that and you’re using this exposure to propel yourself into an Independent run.

My question is for Ron Paul. Mr. Paul, are you going to let America down by not running as an Independent? Thank you.

REP. PAUL: Now, that’s what I call a tough question because I have no intention of doing this.

Hmm, no “intention” of running as an independent. I’d take that as a “maybe.”

Hmmm, no NAFTA Superhighway huh? Then what the hell is this?

Oh, it’s just the North American SuperCorridor, that’s all.

Internet rumor huh? Is that why the 2006 Texas State Republican Party Platform took the following stand?

Trans-Texas Corridor – Because there are issues of confiscation of private land, State and National sovereignty and other similar concerns, we urge the repeal of the Trans-Texas Corridor legislation.

  • Actually, CB, the question was ultimately “are you going to let America down by not running as an Independent.”

    To which Dr. Paul answered “I have no intention of doing this.”

    He could well mean he has no intention of letting Mr. Strauss down — that is, he will run as an Independent.

    (whats the over-under line on number of comments to this post, by the way?)

  • Ron Paul is already on record saying that the NAFTA Superhighway is both real and should be opposed:

    By now many Texans have heard about the proposed “NAFTA Superhighway,” which is also referred to as the trans-Texas corridor. What you may not know is the extent to which plans for such a superhighway are moving forward without congressional oversight or media attention.

    This superhighway would connect Mexico, the United States, and Canada, cutting a wide swath through the middle of Texas and up through Kansas City. Offshoots would connect the main artery to the west coast, Florida, and northeast. Proponents envision a ten-lane colossus the width of several football fields, with freight and rail lines, fiber-optic cable lines, and oil and natural gas pipelines running alongside.

    Yes, the man is crazy.

  • no NAFTA Superhighway huh? Then what the hell is this?

    JKap, “this” is – as I say everytime this issue comes up – something that has already existed most of my lifetime without ending national sovereignty. According to the very website you link to as “proof,”

    There are no plans to build a new NAFTA Superhighway – it exists today as I-35.

    Interstate 35 has run border-to-border for years. This is a non-conspiracy.

  • Ah, I see zeitgeist. I didn’t offer proof, I asked a question. But thanks for putting “words” in my mouth.

    So, do you favor Bush having secretive meetings with the leaders of Canada and Mexico where a “North American Union” is discussed and our duly elected representatives in Congress do not have a say (as is only constitutional)?

    It’s funny. Here is a classic instance where progressives apparently put their full faith in the Corporate Military Industrial Media to tell them the truth.

  • Ron Paul needs more time to expound on his conspiracy theories. More about the Bilderbergs, the CFR and the Trilateral Commission. Some quips about international bankers (teh Joooos), UFOs and reptilian shapeshifters too. Perhaps a little 9/11 was an inside job for balance.

    The sooner this nut leaves the GOP and runs as The Loony Party candidate, the better.

    He’s fine in the House, he might even be acceptable as a Senator, but he’d be a disaster in The White House.

  • Hey look! –The right and left blogosphere have found common ground in their hatred and smear campaign of Ron Paul. Who would have known that Dr. Paul could unite the country in this way!

  • The notions that Ron Paul is crazy and that there are “strategic thinkers” who
    support globalization are not mutually exclusive, but I would hesitate to call him
    crazy based on his willingness to recognize that certain ideas exist and to think about
    their impact on what he describes as “national sovereignty.” I think Ron Paul’s
    actaction is his image as a straight talking populist (ala McCains straight talk
    express without the free booze for the reporters). Statements like these,though heavy on the hyperbole, are consistant
    with that image.

  • From the horses mouth:

    “We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The super-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

    —David Rockefeller, at a 1991 Bilderberger meeting

  • KJap, I’ll say it slowly.

    The notion of a ten-lane north-south superhighway (with accompanying rail, oil, gas and fiber-optic lines) is a lunatic fantasy. There are no plans for any such thing. The most anyone can come up with is that we have some existing divided highways going north and south.

    Ron Paul endorses the strong version of this fantasy. It is crazy talk, and in endorsing it, Paul is being… CRAZY!

  • Hey jimBOB, you apparently have greater faith in the Corporate Military Industrial Media and the Bush Laden Cabal than I do.

  • You know what else is CRAZY — THE PATRIOT ACT. Yet the majority of Democratic Presidential candidates voted in favor of it.

  • Just in case anyone is wondering, the above is a link to a Larry King Live interview with the former president of Mexico where talks of his and Bush’s longterm goal of a single currency for the Americas.

  • The stated mission goal of the Councel On Foreign Relations is to erade National Sovereignty. This really isn’t a secret if you just want to look it up. Ron Paul did not say anything crazy. The ideas for a united North America, super trtade highway and a single “Amero” curreny are all be discussed by certain groups and think tanks. Think. What do you think these groups meet for? To talk about their wife’s 7 layer bean dip? CFR, Bildeberg, Trilatteral all have agendas and political influence. To deny it is ignorance. If you reamin willfully ignorant they will continue to influence your country’s politics. This is not a “Conspiracy Theory” this is the nature of the world. People strive to gain profits, political power and other types of influence.

    Whats wrong with expressing concern about opposition to their ideas? The fact is the ideas do exist and the groups do meet to talk about these things.

  • Wow Steve, you’re just dumber than a bag o’ hammers aren’t you?

    First, you shortened his quote to make it sound worse. Life is too tough without cheating?

    Second, your reasoning stinks: If the Texas legislature passed a law against a highway project that doesn’t exist, then it is nothing more than a ideological question, which is what Ron Paul said.

    Third, you screwed up your own smear piece: Paul specifically said it’s not a sinister conspiracy, then you said he thinks it’s a sinister conspiracy.

    Is this the best you can do? I don’t feel like it’s fair to scrap with an intellectual lightweight, so maybe you can step it up…?

  • So after the Republicans nominate one of these bozos, will we have to hear anything more about Ron Paul? He does seem to bring out the lunatic side in his followers.

  • Putting a question to a candidate whose position is already widely known does nothing to inform anyone. The person should have put that question to the entire field. It would have been interesting to see their responses and compare them to what may happen in the future. What the all candidates might have denied, confirmed, or sidestepped about the question would have been more informative and may have helped to stifle or open discussion on what could very well be a real thing.

  • Just in case anybody skipped over the comment responding to comment #1, here is an excerpt from the website JKap linked to:

    “NAFTA Superhighway” – As of late, there has been much media attention given to the “new, proposed NAFTA Superhighway”. NASCO and the cities, counties, states and provinces along our existing Interstate Highways 35/29/94 (the NASCO Corridor) have been referring to I-35 as the ‘NAFTA Superhighway’ for many years, as I-35 already carries a substantial amount of international trade with Mexico, the United States and Canada. There are no plans to build a new NAFTA Superhighway – it exists today as I-35.

    It’s too bad the website doesn’t make one of its headings “There Is No Plan To Build A Supercorridor” in order to discourage Internet rumors from being spread by people who don’t read, but, the website specifically says that there is no plan to build any kind of a Trans-North American highway. Keep in mind also that this appears to be a non-profit corporation put together to facilitate private enterprise (i.e., it somes from the business sector, it’s not a project of any government) so you can’t read this website as the scheming of a bunch of disconnected liberals in diplomacy or government who want to destroy our national sovereignty, even if it did say that a plan for a highway was being promoted, which it doesn’t.

    For any liberals reading this comment, please be aware nothing I’m writing here is in support, implicit or otherwise, of the opinion that increase cooperation between the three states would be a bad thing (I just have to put this caveat because some people are a little wet behind the ears sometimes and don’t know how to read what people write) or offering an opinion about any specific project or idea to facilitate that end. I’m just responding to the specific concern.

  • (i.e., it somes from the business sector, it’s not a project of any government)

    This should be, ‘it comes from the business sector.’ Sorry.

  • . On November 29th, 2007 at 10:24 am, jimBOB said:

    “KJap, I’ll say it slowly.

    The notion of a ten-lane north-south superhighway (with accompanying rail, oil, gas and fiber-optic lines) is a lunatic fantasy. There are no plans for any such thing. The most anyone can come up with is that we have some existing divided highways going north and south.

    Ron Paul endorses the strong version of this fantasy. It is crazy talk, and in endorsing it, Paul is being… CRAZY!”

    Wrong Jimbob.
    I worked for the Texas Dept of Transportation from 2001-2002. I can show you a brochure describing plans for 6 lanes of vehicle traffic both ways and 6 lanes of Railway traffic both ways with a wide swath down the center for utilites. It was called the Trans Texas corridore project and it is real.

    So be careful with the word “Crazy” Jimbob.

  • So what is the conspiracy behind close economic ties between Canada, the US and Mexico? A huge part of the solution to the illegal immigration mess is getting Mexico’s economy to stand on it’s own without massive infusions of dollars sent via Western Union back to Mexico. If there are infrastructure improvements to do so, so much the better. And a pipeline running oil and gas north and south? Terrific. Getting Alberta oil sands gasoline down to US consumers without relying on oil tankers shipping oil over from the Mid East? Sounds good to me.

    Conspiracy theorists are always looking for next mythic threat that will bring this nation to its knees. Black UN helicopters, Trilateral commissions, UFOs. They’d be better served looking at legitimate threats to this nation like unfettered government surveillance of citizens, hyper aggressive foreign policies, bankrupting military quagmires, looming recession, a decaying health insurance system and climate change. But those just aren’t wacky enough to obsess over I guess.

  • I am leaning towards Paul for his principled and coherent stance on issues that I, like millions of Americans, believe are of utmost importance – the erosion of civil liberties, Iraq war and foreign policy in general, the shrinking dollar and unbalanced budget. I am not convinced that the North American Union and the Superhighway are immediate threats and do not consider them make-or-break issues in making my choice. Even if Paul believes they are a threat (while the post here and others elsewhere argue they are just fictitious), I only look at his stance that he considers them an erosion of national sovereignty and as aggravating the immigration problem. These clearly are not crazy concerns and are worthy of debate but not now. Paul’s belief, like a majority of Texans and their Congress, in these possibly fictitious concerns does not hurt anybody! He has NOT made them his campaign headlines. He has correctly maintained his focus on the more important issues of liberty, war/foreign policy, and dollar/budget.

  • On the question of NAU: Lou Dobbs has some of the highest ratings on CNN. He reports on the NAU often with detail about the meetings and agreements signed by Bush, etc. I don’t see blogs full of “he’s a nut” where Lou Dobbs is concerned. Oh, that’s right, he not running for office so he’s no real threat… Can anyone with common sense really look at agreements like NAFTA and think they are great for America? How many jobs have been lost already? How much of our sovereignty is gone? If anyone actually takes the time to look at NAFTA, it was a very plain precursor to what’s happening today. I guess the media will have to do a lot more reporting on this before it will take hold as “truth” but that’s not going to happen. A little advise, if you hear something that sounds “nutty” you know a “conspiracy theory” etc… you may want to try and disprove it with facts rather than standing blindly shouting disapproval. This will only make you look like an idiot. In the end, only those willing to educate themselves will know truth and they must live with the fact that the truth is often unpopular. The rest are destined to be spoon-fed…

  • If the NAFTA super highway and the other WTO, CFR crap WAS just a figment of a small group of conspiracy nuts, AND the N. American union that V. Fox and Bush and others were discussing were all just a silly misunderstanding, how would Ron Paul’s position on the RESPONSE to that possibility make him a worse choice than the SLATE of other (R) candidates that have made it the job of the U.S. Government to run our personal lives, waste TRILLIONS of dollars across the globe and at home, and to basically continue on the Bush/Clinton authoritarian type government that we have seen develop over the years?

    In other words, if the only flaws of Dr. No is that he has a response to a potential issue which may or may not exist (evidence on the response comments show there are such ideas being brandied about) then you have missed the entire problem with neo-con (military indust-corporatism-facism) and neo-com (progressive cradle to grave socialist) government that has grown unchecked in D.C.

    Please readjust your priorities, because we can not afford any more of the Bush agenda or the Hillary one for that matter.

    And RP is the ONLY guy on stage willing to not only vote solidly against said abuses, but to speak openly about any of them that he is asked about. This also says far more than the politician non-answers we saw last night.

    Scott~

  • Didn’t fathom you to a Bush supporter, petardo. Do you think Bush should form alliances with other countries without the approval of the Senate? Do you believe that the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land?

    Well, when exactly was the SPP approved by the Senate exactly? Or is this also a “conspiracy theory?”

  • And you didn’t mention when he said about the WTO trying to control the nutritional value of our products. He reminded me of the general in Dr. Strangelove starting WWIII because of the commies brainwashing America with the fluoronization of the water supply. I am a libertarian, I agree with many of RP views, but his answer was an unmitigated disaster. Nobody will take him seriously after last night.

  • Petorado sait, “They’d be better served looking at legitimate threats to this nation like unfettered government surveillance of citizens, hyper aggressive foreign policies, bankrupting military quagmires, looming recession, a decaying health insurance system and climate change. But those just aren’t wacky enough to obsess over I guess.”

    Ron Paul is opposed to:

    – the surveillance and national ID card threat,
    – the hyper aggressive meddling in other countries
    – the military industrial complex
    – the inflationary actions and waste of our dollar
    – the healthcare crisis (though he opposes a govt run solution he will still talk about it)
    – climate change (his solution is to stop subsidizing big oil and agro-business and to NOT give exemptions to factories that produce and pollute the families and landowners downstream).

    RP has answered quite well on most of those issues and I’d say to look a little deeper at what he actually says and not at the ‘wacky’ stuff people are trying to use to make Rp look like a nutball.

    Scott~

  • Scott. Unfortunately, yesterday he did his best to show himself as a nutball. He was clearly unprepared. Not to mention when he said “the shias … the people of the north” refering to the Kurds. Not even Bush talks like that. If he would have been serious about the presidency he would have practice with his campaign before the debate.

  • One can only wonder what all the little wRonG-Paul children will do, 68 days from now—when Paul’s candidacy becomes mathematically Quixotic. All the sychophants—whether simply misled, or intolerably delusional—COMBINED—will not add up to enough votes to give their candidate enough push to win even a respectable minority of the delegates offered in any of the states. Paul won’t even carry his home state.

    This “superhighway” is just another 9/11 mantra from the unhinged fringe. I doubt that anyone in the wRonG Paul camp even knows how much “stuff” consumed by Americans comes from Mexico of Canada; all they care about is the ability to wave a “scary-thing” pennant in the average citizen’s face.

    Ask your candidate this, if you dare: “What percentage of products and services, consumed by Americans today, come from either Mexico or Canada?”

    Ask your candidate this, if you’ve the cojones: “Why import from China if we can make it in the Americas?”

    Ask your candidate this, if you possess the intestinal fortitude: “Even if this so-called corridor existed, why would it be such a heinous thing?”

    He can’t answer with a well-thought-out answer, because he’s a shallow little twit who depends on the unhinged fringe and their decades-old scare tactics for support.

    68 days, all you wRonG Paul supporters—68 days.

    And then you’re nothing more than a figment of the historical record….

  • Everyone likes to bring up the EU whenever this “theory” arises. I won’t say if I think the EU is a good or bad thing, that is up to Europeans to decide. However, it wasn’t too many years ago when I was in Europe and the first stirrings of the “EU” were moving. The general populace seemed opposed to the idea and many Europeans and Americans thought it was laffable. It was “just an idea” that politicians were keeping low key and discussing behind closed doors; oft-times with private interests. Perhaps one could call this a conspiracy, I just call it secretive. The fact that NASCO (http://www.nascocorridor.com/), brochures, and State Legislation exists in reference to a project that is not directly in front of the American citizens at all should make anyone, regardless of political affiliation, wary. The real problem here is not so much rumors of a “North American Union” but the fact that our government is very comfortable with keeping things hidden from the public eye unitl they have it packaged and labelled “For The Public Good”. Keep in mind that it wasn’t so long ago that the very existence of a private organization called the CFR was considered “just another wingnut conspiracy”. Every once in a while these theories come true and it is our duty to keep an active eye on them and question their existence.

    The naivete of both the Left and the Right when it comes to trusting in their favorite governmental programs, trade agreements, influential non-elected “policy” organizations, and secrecy is the only crazy thing here.

  • So glad that you’ll be satiated if the NeoCon Imperialists win the Republican nomination, Steve. As the cliche goes, people get the government they deserve.

  • Ah, the ol’ Trans-Texas Corridor. Talk about whack-a-mole. Folks, the TTC is the inspired vision of Gov. Rick Perry and the construction and developer interests in our great state here. They could give a crap less about a NAFTA superhighway, an NAU, an amero, and probably even national sovereignty. They are very concerned about MONEY and private profit from public risk. They see toll revenue, land development, and utility profits. It will also provide a nice conservative bank shot in further minimizing longshoreman unions on the west coast with the increased Mexican port traffic from East Asia.

    Fortunately, reality makes it all a boondoggle. Forget about the roads. The cost of utility and rail realignments alone make it a joke. Then again, they might just sacrifice those to get the toll roads in place. It’s mostly about the tolls now in Texas.

    Oh, public meetings are being held, cool renderings of trucks and trains moving at a brisk pace are being posted, but it will all go nowhere. This state, this country has neither the money, the sense of public good, or the organizational capacity to pull it off. But somebody somehwere is going to get paid and my guess it will be Republican businessman and the politicians they own.

    Ron Paul does not appear to be owned by the same (and he is owned by someone), but he is trying to fit pieces of the grand puzzle in a way that just does not add up. TTC is not part of a conspiracy, but you should be interested in it as an example of Republican waste on the public dime.

  • Sorry, but the move towards an American Union and a single currency just as Ron Paul described — which would therefore subjigate our national soverignty to this new union (like the EU) — was confirmed on CNN’s Larry King Live by Vicente Fox himself. and I quote:

    KING: E-mail from Mrs. Gonzalez in Elizabeth, New Jersey. “Mr. Fox, I would like to know how you feel about the possibility of having a Latin America united with one currency?”

    FOX: Long term, very long term. What we propose together, President Bush and myself, it’s ALCA, which is a trade union for all of the Americas. And everything was running fluently until Hugo Chavez came. He decided to isolate himself. He decided to combat the idea and destroy the idea…

    KING: It’s going to be like the euro dollar, you mean?

    FOX: Well, that would be long, long term. I think the processes to go, first step into is trading agreement. And then further on, a new vision, like we are trying to do with NAFTA.

  • Ron Paul does not appear to be owned by the same (and he is owned by someone)

    Ah, so Ron Paul is part of conspiracy. Care to elaborate, Todd? Who is the “someone” that owns Dr. Paul? Any facts to back up your conspiracy theory? I think you’d have a captive audience in the person of Steve.

  • Todd (and JKap, inadvertently) debunk a couple of the myths the support the Paulian conspiracy theory of the NAU-NAFTA Superhighway.

    FIrst of all, a vital element of a conspiracy is usually that it is secret. But so far JKap himself has linked to two slick, PR-friendly websites, numerous people have discussed public legislation, and highway projects are all over state budgets and zoning hearings so any superhighway project is inherently very, very public. Not much of a conspiracy when it is in plain sight.

    Which leads to the second point, which Todd hit. This isn’t some grant globalist conspiracy. Missouri, Illinois, Iowa and Minnesota spent a decade (or more) discussing and ultimately implementing the “Avenue of the Saints” – a highway building/widening project from St. Louis to St. Paul. No borders involved, but essentially the same type of project. They did it for one reason: economic development. Is that a “conspiracy”? If Minnesota, which has lost tons of jobs in the Iron Range, decides that it would spur development to have massive new roads and rail lines, and fiber optics running through Northern Minnesota – is that a conspiracy or just a reasonable policy option for economic development? How does its character change just because it touches the Canadian border?

    Occam’s Razor, people. Nearly all conspiracy theories, whenever and whereever and about whatever, are false.

  • Sorry, CB.
    I’m with Robert @ 18.

    I have no doubt a North American Union has been batted around by some people of SOME influence.

    That an international body could force us into such a union against our will is a little silly as all members of the EU joined voluntarily and other nations are APPLYING for membership.

    The trumpeting of national sovereignty is the closest Paul came to paranoia which you say he provided in large amounts.

    It was a dumb question about a groundless concern and Paul’s level of attention to it doesn’t seem extraordinary. He came off as almost dismissive. Just about teh aproach you wanted.

    Isn’t there enough reason to dislike Paul without identifying shortcomings the evidence doesn’t support? Maybe he is looney tunes, but alleging this without proof comes across as desperate swiftboating. (If only you were as well financed!)

    Of the Republicans, compared with Giuliani putting a security base in the high profile world trade center and John “Baghdad mystery shopper”McCain, Paul isn’t in the running for Froot-Loopiest contender.

  • 68 days, all you wRonG Paul supporters—68 days.

    I have the feeling it’ll be a long 68 days.

  • You may want to research the North American Union, NAFTA super highway or what elusive name they’re calling it this month. It does exist. The land is being surveyed for purchase. Don’t just google NAFTA Super Highway, you moron

  • American sovereignty has been under attack from a variety of different sources. Regardless of firm plans or whether this superhighway exists the fact remains that we have bound ourselves to an apalling number of foreign conventions, including the UN, which wants to reach into American regulation or even ultimately tax us (Law of the Sea Treaty is a good example of this). American sovereignty is one of the untouchable things that we should never compromise, not even a tiny bit. No other nation in the world, or international body, can be trusted with the precious liberities our Constitution gives us. Ron Paul’s record demonstrates that he will fight such encroachments, but no other candidate can give such assurances. Some of the power hungry candidates like Hillary, Rudy, Romney, and Huckabee could more easily be trusted to sell us out rather than defend our Constitution.

  • Occam’s Razor, people. Nearly all conspiracy theories, whenever and wherever and about whatever, are false.

    Zeitgeist,

    So, the simplest explanation for the Dictator-In-Chief entering into the SPP without Senate approval is that the SPP is unconstitutional and invalid and that Bush is merely attempting to expand his dictatorial powers to do whatever he chooses. Or is that a “conspiracy theory”? Or, please, give us your sanitized, sterilized hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil version.

    We all know that Bush’s motives are always purely in the interests of this country and he has a firm understanding of what sovereignty is.

    Please explain to us the brilliance of our Dear Leader.

  • I thought his answer to the question was brilliant. He showed the conspiracy theorists that he is on their side, while answering the question in a thoughtful, intelligent, reasonable manner. He talked about the truth that the conspiracy theorists see, without sounding like a kook himself.

    His response probably won him a lot of new support. Mitt Romney said while campaigning in Iowa that the North American Union was the second most frequently asked question, after illegal immigration. People are concerned about it, even if it’s not quite as real as they fear.

    The only way Ron Paul could have answered the question even more strongly would have been to point out that most of the other candidates on the stage with him (and in the Democratic Party) are MEMBERS of the CFR.

    And Dr. Paul lives in Texas. He sure as heck knows if there’s a highway being built there or not.

  • It won’t matter one inkling who wins the GOPer nomination, JKap; they’re all a bunch of losers to begin with, and they’re just trying to out-wierd each other. wRonG Paul is no different than the rest of them.

    But the abuses of wRonG Paul—who is by far the greater corporate sock-puppet than any of the other GOPer candidates—is the very essense; the factual reincarnation, if you will, of every indecent thing ever brought to light in a Charles Dickens novel. And all you can do is to wave a scary thing or two at people?

    T-minus 68 days, and counting….

  • Nah Steve. I look at Dr. Paul’s record in the Congress, which is what you should be doing with the Democratic candidates –or do you base your vote on sound bites?

    Please support your conspiracy theory that Ron Paul is a “corporate sock puppet.”. Or are facts of no concern to you?

    Looks like you and Todd have a lot in common.

    Give me a non-imperialist like Paul or Kucinich anyday –with the consistent record to back up their rhetoric. I put our Constitutional Republic (notice that our Constitutional Republic does not include an American Empire) and the American Way of Life, our rights and freedoms, ahead of any ideology or political solidarity when I exercise my most revered Constitutional right.

  • All of us have witnessed events in the past few years that we would have labeled preposterous 10 years ago, and yet here we are. It doesn’t take much research to discover there are forces at work with a dramatically different vision for the future than most of us. Hillary Clinton’s vast, right wing conspiracy may have turned out to be largely independent actors pursuing related agendas, but their independence made them no less real.

  • There is only one answer to all of this bickering.

    Ron Paul is gaining support across the nation. He is one of the top fund raising candidates, he has a huge online and offline following. He is winning many straw polls He raised more money in one day than any other [R] candidate (without hiring staff to do so as he noted), he has a solid voting record, he has served the Constitution and not special interest, he stands opposed to the {D} and {R} path of large government spending and large government intrusion into our personal lives.

    I really don’t see how his position on the North American Super-Duperhighway regardless of how real a threat it actually is, negates a solid Constitutional voting record (nor does a single flub about which group is claiming North Iraq make him a bad choice).

    It seems that people are happy with the large government baggage that comes with the current two party slate as long as half of the waste and abuse conforms to their views.

    If the other repubs did not work to undermine the very fabric this nation was built on, then I might support someone else. But they forget the very document that they swear to uphold. The very document that gives them a job.

    I would not care if RP said he saw a UFO, as long as his voting record and service in office stayed as consistent as it has been.

    This is not about who looks the best I don’t WANT anymore slick politicians fast talking their way into expanding this behemoth government. How can you?

    What color is America?

    Scott~

    BTW- Haven’t the Libertarian Party stood for most of these positions the RP is taking over the years?

  • http://youtube.com/watch?v=OX2rAjP7EUA

    RP opposes the corporate abuses in America. He states the problem is when corporations are allowed to operate without constraints.

    He is NOT in the corporate pocket. If he were, he would have tens of millions of dollars like the top running candidates he is competing against. How can you miss that almost every red cent in his account come from we the people?

    Please be consistent and get all the information before accusing someone of something that the top tier slickwits are easily shown to be.

    Scott~

    BTW- What is RP’s position on the Kelo decision from the U.S Supreme Court?

  • There’s something about Ron Paul’s candidacy that brings out the meanness in people – listen to you guys! Seriously, if enough people think Ron Paul would be a good president, that’s what he’ll be, regardless whether he’s a kook or not. You might as well have a pineapple for president as what you have now, and I don’t see any more than a half-assed effort to show HIM the door. Proposing nutty ideas – remember Bush’s early interest in colonizing Mars? – and executive power are far from mutually exclusive. However, the NAFTA corridor, or whatever you want to call it, is real in concept, insofar as increasing the depth of integration continentally until the three countries mentioned are indistinguishable one from the other. I couldn’t speak to the importance of a superhighway, and frankly, it’s difficult to see it as much of a threat – most goods in North America, after all, move by truck, to a degree likely not equaled elsewhere in the world – but the Councils whose business is ever-deeper integration are very real.

    All the yammering about Middle-East oil distracts from who your largest foreign suppliers really are: Canada and Mexico, by a significant margin. Don’t take my word for it – check. I agree NAFTA has been an overall bad deal, with the exception of a few elite bigwigs, who have grown very rich indeed. Canada has plenty of oil, maybe more than Iraq, but it’s expensive to refine and hard to get at – Iraqi oil is neither of those. If oil wasn’t traded on the world market, as it is, Canada could have cheap gas, since we produce far more than the population can use.Newer technology is making refining both cheaper and cleaner (although I must confess most of that comes from foreign investment). However, NAFTA says that once we establish a level of delivery, we may not go below that level even if we suffer domestic shortages. For that reason, most of our output goes to the U.S.

    Ron Paul is interested in seeing the United States remain the country it is, and I support that, since I’m not interested in being part of it. He might get a little wild-eyed discussing the possibility of an American Union, but he certainly didn’t make up the idea, and there certainly are people in powerful positions who regularly revisit the concept. One of the few ways the United States could meet the rising challenge of China and India’s development would be…..to expand.

  • Steve and other anti-RP trolls,

    The questions you want RP supporters to ask have already been answered here;

    http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/ (to name only one place of many)

    Everyone of these questions is answered in black and white; whether you agree with the answers or not is up to you. Ron Paul stands behind them all, controversial or not. I think it is obvious that you have already made up your mind, but engage in a little due diligence before posting; a 5 second google is all it takes.

    That said, show me any other candidate that has gone out and freely, publicly, published anywhere near the volume of papers and positions on the issues that Dr. Paul has and I will gladly research them thoroughly before I vote in the Republican Primary. That’s right, I’ll not be voting in the Democratic Primary, take a look at all their corporate and lawyer contributions to know why; they are as much corporate shills as the “mainstream” Republicans.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/ Where they get money.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/ How they vote.

    Like him or not your name calling is inappropriate, immature, and unfounded. Acting as an uneducated voicebox, for the sake of ruffling feathers, is not a constructive path to take if you desire to convert anyone to your cause. The golden rule in any conflict is “know your opponent”. I’ve given you links to real unbiased, researchable information. If you choose to ignore it will be a failure to educate yourself and just go to prove that you are nothing but a parrot of the media/entertainment/military/industrial complex that owns America at the moment.

    Steve’s questions were:

    Ask your candidate this, if you dare: “What percentage of products and services, consumed by Americans today, come from either Mexico or Canada?”

    Ask your candidate this, if you’ve the cojones: “Why import from China if we can make it in the Americas?”

    Ask your candidate this, if you possess the intestinal fortitude: “Even if this so-called corridor existed, why would it be such a heinous thing?”

  • Sorry I came late to this party, but I just have to put in my 2¢. Does Mexico, that dynamo of industrialization, have a problem getting goods moved around through the USA at the moment on existing highways? Is there some sort of dangerous and incredibly voluminous trading that’s on the verge of opening up between Canada and Mexico? Would this alleged corridor have no border controls whatsoever, letting Mexicans run pell-mell into the USA where this supercorridor breaches our otherwise secure (snark) border? And if there was a plan to improve transportation infrastructure, what on earth is so bad about that?

    CB, I used to really enjoy the reasoned discussion I’d find here, but your site has gotten too well-known. Nowadays it seems that there are so many commenters who buy into clearly absurd positions and can’t seem to analyze even the most obviously inane arguments. (Don’t get me started on the spelling of some of these geniuses!) CB, have you ever thought about starting up a new kinda secret blog and inviting some of the old crowd in, maybe with a password or something?

    Hey, don’t get me wrong, I’m a big shopper in the marketplace of ideas. But when a topic like this gets so much heat and so little light, when it’s logical gaps and ridiculous hyperbole are taken seriously by so many people, it just gets a little depressing.

  • RP opposes the corporate abuses in America. He states the problem is when corporations are allowed to operate without constraints.

    Isn’t Ron Paul the guy who thinks the FDA is too powerful and too much of a constraint on the dietary supplement and alternative medicine industries – who would much rather not have the burden of proof put on THEM to demonstrate that the things they are peddling are actually EFFECTIVE?

  • Libertarian my ass. If this guy really was of that stripe he would be willing to open the borders to all immigration. Instead it sounds more like he’s just another conservative who wants to smoke weed.

  • OMG, wouldn’t you know that when I diss people’s spelling and then I spell “its” as “it’s,” one of my pet peeves. Is my face red…….

  • Hey President Lindsay, I’ve got some reasoned discussion for you.

    As I have pleaded with ANYONE to respond –what do you think of Bush having secretive meetings with the leaders of Canada and Mexico where a “North American Union” is discussed (and effected) and our duly elected representatives in Congress not having a say in such an alliance (as is only constitutional)?

    Do you oppose such an unconstitutional alliance? Or do you think the Dictator-In-Chief deserves this kind of absolute power?

  • This is madness.

    Yes, I-35 has run border-to-border since the 1950’s. I-5 has run border-to-border since the 1950’s. I-95 has run to at least one border since the 1950’s.Then therey’s rail lines too. And *gasp* air routes.

    We already have TWO “NAFTA SuperHighways”, since Eisenhower.

    Why, again, is this exactly a problem?

  • Ron Paul threads really do bring out the nuts and flakes. I’m disappointed that nobody has yet discussed the incontrovertable truth that the Bushes and Clintons are shapeshifting reptoids from an alternate dimension here to enslave us all in a New World Order. Although someone did quote Bilderberg, so there’s bonus points for that.

    You guys are nuts, seriously. Seek help.

    I hope you guys are thrilled to have Stormfront on your side.

  • As I have pleaded with ANYONE to respond –what do you think of Bush having secretive meetings with the leaders of Canada and Mexico where a “North American Union” is discussed (and effected) and our duly elected representatives in Congress not having a say in such an alliance (as is only constitutional)?

    Well, if the meetings were so secretive how is it that you know about them? And discussing a “North American Union” or any other topic is entirely within the job description of the leaders of nations. You act as if Bush can simply create the North American version of the EU on his own say-so. Your paranoia is showing under your tinfoil hat.

    I thought you promised me some reasoned discussion.

    Ugh, having to refer to Bush as a leader of a nation makes my skin crawl.

  • Re: Pres. Lindsay

    Secretive does not mean secret. Try dictionary.com

    And exactly how much MSM coverage has the SPP received? I wonder if it were not for Lou Dobbs if we would even be having this reasoned discussion.

    First, Let’s have a look at part of the job description of the President, shall we?

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate

    So, what is the purpose of our Orwellian “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America” if not to affect a “partnership” between the U.S., Mexico, and Canada, and, as outlined on the spp.gov website to enter into “agreements” for “trilateral regulatory cooperation” and to “coordinate” border security, health policy, economic and trade policy, and energy policy between the governments of Mexico, Canada, and the United States?

    Pardon me, but that sounds suspiciously like a treaty that can only be lawfully and constitutionally ratified by a 2/3 majority of the Senate.

    You act as if Bush can simply create the North American version of the EU on his own say-so.

    Well, the advent of the Plenipotentiary Executive is certainly a cause of great concern to me –warrantless wiretaps, suspension of haebeus corpus, the American Gulag at Gitmo, torture, politicization of the Justice Dept., unconstitutional, “undeclared” war, unhinged secrecy, stonewalling of any and all Congressional oversight, “The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government,” the list is endless, all at the “say-so” of Dick & Bush.

    I am hardly the first person to suggest that we are witnessing a proto-fascist dictatorship and that Dick & Bush have usurped, subverted, circumvented, and imperilled the Constitution.

    So, given this track record, which is more absurd? that Bush would respect the Constitution in this instance or that the North American Union could become an imposed reality by a private corporate cabal bent on power and world domination?

    I think the latter.

  • Well…

    I’m still not a full fledge Ron Paul supporter… BUT I like a lot of what I hear…

    He needs a clear, simple explanation to THE “question”?

    “What is the INFLATION TAX, who does it hurt the most, and why is America INFLATING the money supply by nearly 20% per year?”

    Americans KNOW that EVERYTHING but core CPI [Chinese Production Interests 😉 ] is inflating 10+% per year!

    Americans KNOW that it hurts the low and middle income Americans the most.

    They suspect, but don’t KNOW that American Democracy has promised WAY WAY more than it can deliver in Entitlements. (SS, Medicare, Medicaid, HUD, Welfare, ad nauseum….)

    The politicians will NEVER tell the rest of the world…. “American Democracy has FAILED financially.” They won’t take back / reduce the promises. They won’t get us to approve a 20+% TAX increase to pay for Entitlements.

    So they pursue the ONLY alternative that an “elected” politician can get away with…
    THE INFLATION TAX…

    This one issue can and WILL be the ultimate downfall of America… and arguing about marijuana, guns, and abortion, is only window dressing as the ship goes down.

    He could say, “My views on abc… are this, but they are only window dressing to the INFLATION TAX…”

    Paul’s supporters HAVE to find a way to get this clear message out in the MSM. He needs to pound at this issue. We control the money supply… ie INFLATION. It does not control us… (YET… but we are getting very close!)

    It is the only issue that matters for our ultimate survival.

    Americans KNOW how we got here to… POLITICAL and BUSINESS lobbies have a louder voice than our votes. The politicians break MOST of their promises once elected. He/She who promises us the “most” usually gets elected. Power stays entrenched.

    Help Paul stay focused on the INFLATION TAX and quit arguing about the window dressing.

    Good Luck!

    Randy

  • If the Texas Legislature responded to an internet rumor does that mean that Texas Department of Transporation has been having public meetings about an internet rumor for the past 4 years? Governor Perry has given speech after speech promoting an internet rumor?

    If the CFR does not exist then who publishes the Foriegn Affairs Journal to which I subscribe and have for years?

    What land are you in, Dorothy?

    Start clicking your heels. You have wandered from home.

  • What Ron Paul says is simply common sense. Protect our national sovereignty. Whether there is a NAU or not doesnt matter. The POINT, which you morons ALWAYS avoid, is that people in the CFR and groups like that are PUSHING for a NAU. And it should be opposed. And there’s nothing kooky about opposing it. I oppose the idea of people getting rounded up and placed into fema camps. Does that mean its actually happening? No, but it could happen, and given the total dishonesty of people like Limbaugh and Beck and Hannity etc etc (and yes even the OP here)… theyre a bunch of authoritarians who clearly want to usher in a 4th reich and they dont care because theyre making money and gaining power from it… or so they think they are…. They’ll never talk about prescott bush. Theyll kiss that family’s ass while they flush our country down the drain again and again… generation after generation… but call it a bunch of kooky nonsense when we talk about the NAU. I’d rather it stay kooky nonsense. That’s what they call it when we win. It just stays a bunch of kooky nonsense. Guess what all you neoconwhores. You want to talk about kooky nonsense? How about the housing bubble popping? How about massive currency devaluation. Yeah that was kooky nonsense 4 years ago… god i wish you morons would wake up.

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  • WOW after all this dilusional comments and RP own words on how the WTO threatens the nutritional value of our products, I wonder if any sane individual will put a RP sign on his/her frontyard.

  • This reminds me of the last nutty RP discussion. Wherein we were informed as usual that RP is a super stand up guy and will save us all. As I asked before then where was RP the last 7 years? He’s supposedly against all things Bush but nobody heard of him before this summer. I live in Texas and he’s a rep from Texas. I had never heard of him and it seems that few others had as well. Again, I’ll ask simple questions about our savior: where was he when Bush forced through the Patriot Act, where was he when Bush institutionalized torture, where was he when Bush started his war of choice, where was he when Bush started eavesdropping and trampled civil liberties, and where was he when John Murtha stood up against the war 2 years ago? I’m not saying he had to stop all these things but if he’s so great how come he didn’t make at least a little noise in opposing all these things. I keep forgetting, it’s all the super complicit media who never tells anyone anything that’s not pre-screened. They’re all just scared of him b/c he’s the only one out there that isn’t a corporate shill, bought and paid for by lobbyists and special interest groups. RP is the only that has no agenda but what’s truly best for America. Only he can ensure our prosperity, peace, national identity, cure cancer, feed the children and heal the sick. Oh, and he makes some mean BBQ. Right, got it. Either we vote for RP or get enslaved b/c we’re ignorant, deluded, immature, dumb and possibly hate America. All the other candidates are out to get us in some way, shape, form or fashion. The rest are one in the same; Hillary, Edwards, Obama, Giuliani, Romney, McCain. Can’t tell any of them apart, other than they’re all scared of teh Great One!

    Next, if there is some open conspiracy about a super highway between Mexico, Canada and the US why exactly would that be so awful? How exactly are we all going to lose our national identity b/c of a road? Have the British forgotten they are British b/c of he EU? If you meet a British person, do they now say they’re from the EU? Shouldn’t the BBC be the EUBC by now? I’m not going to forget that I’m American b/c of any union with Mexico, Canada and whoever else. The Europeans haven’t forgotten their own sovereignty and normal Americans won’t either. But the nuts always need something to be scared about, so be it. By the way, the quote by Vicente Fox posted earlier (#37) dealt specifically with Latin America. How does a single Latin American currency affect the US? Indulge in your delusions with yourselves. Leave us out of your grand conspiracy theories. Baby steps for most of us, 68 days left of RP then onto the W countdown.

  • You’ve taken supplements for years. You’re out of vitamins C and E. You go to your natural food store, but you can’t find the kind you want on the shelf. You ask a clerk to find them for you. She says you can’t get your vitamin E as mixed tocopherols (the best natural form) anymore, and asks if you like your vitamin C in the 100- or 200-milligram size. The 1,000-milligram size, you say.
    “Where have you been?” she asks. “Asleep since 2004? It’s 2007 now! The types and sizes of vitamins you just asked for have been declared illegal by the Dispute Settlement Body of the World Trade Organization!”
    “Wait!” you reply. “This is America! Our president says we’re fighting for American freedom — and you’re telling me that the World Trade Organization can dictate what size vitamin C I can take, and forbid me from taking mixed tocopherols?” The sales clerk sighs, and reaches for a piece of paper. “It’s a little complicated,” she says. “A few years back, the European Commission passed the European Food Supplements Directive … “
    You feel your blood pressure rising. “What does the European Commission and its directive have to do with me? If Europeans want bureaucrats to tell them what to do, that’s their business. I’m a free citizen of these United States!”
    “Now, now, dear, your blood pressure will go up, and you can’t get calcium citrate, magnesium aspartate, CoQ10 or L-arginine or anything else natural to help regulate it anymore.”
    “What? This goes beyond the FDA’s wildest dreams!”
    “That’s not a 10th of it, dear. While you were distracted by the war overseas for American freedom, here at home we lost our right to buy any amino acids at all. No arginine, no carnitine, no tryptophan, nothing. I can’t sell you any essential fatty acids either. No DHA or EPA. And no beta-carotene, no mixed carotenoids, no MSM, no boron … The list goes on and on.”
    “So what can I buy?” you ask. “Let’s see … those 100- and 200-milligram vitamin Cs. Vitamin B6 maximum 4.2 milligrams, vitamin B1, 2.4 milligrams. Oh, here’s a better one: You can get niacin at 32 milligrams.”
    “Enough! I’m getting sick! How did this ever happen in these United States?”
    “As I was saying, the European Directive … .”
    “I heard you. But what about America’s Congress, America’s President?”
    “Oh, they signed us up for this in the 1990s, when they made us members of the World Trade Organization. According to the Congressional Research Service: ‘As a member of the World Trade Organization, the United States does commit to act in accordance with the rules of the multilateral body. The United States is legally obligated to ensure national laws do not conflict with World Trade Organization rules.’”

    “I’m not unsympathetic, especially to your poor mother, dear.” She looks all around, then lowers her voice. “I can give you some sources downtown.” She whispers a few names. “But those people deal dangerous drugs! Now they’re selling vitamins, too?”
    “That’s freedom in America in 2007, dear.”

    5,000 Products Set to Disappear

    The EU Directive classifies vitamins and minerals in Europe as “medical drugs” rather than dietary supplements, which means that they’re subject to government regulation in terms of dosage and availability.

    It gets worse: There are many nutrients known to be vital to optimal health that are not on the government’s RDA nutrient list including chromium picolinate, lysine, and selenium. Under the directive, these types of supplements are banned from over-the-counter sale. Put simply, it will be illegal to buy them without a prescription.

    The supplements that will be available will be restricted to multi-vitamins containing no more than 100 percent of the established RDA amounts, which are usually useless, trivial quantities — and they’ll be far more expensive than what we have now.

    This directive, for all intents and purposes, makes it illegal for people to keep themselves healthy by supplementing with essential nutrients.

    Call us crazy for paying attention to reality, but this is real in the EU and it will be enforced here. But hey keep believing that NAFTA isn’t real and that corporations that used to hire US workers are now waging slave prices in 3rd world coutries. Bury your head in the sand and the world will be just fine.

  • How exactly are we all going to lose our national identity b/c of a road?

    Are you suggesting that an open border with no restrictions from any country is OK with you. you dont mind drugs being smuggled into Kansas City with unfettered access along the way?

    you dont mind if Mexico is assimilated into the US and becomes the same currency?

    Well its pretty obvious your a NEO con globalist who would rather see corporations rule the world than private american citizens rule our homeland.

    As a free American your entitled to your opinion, for now.

    Me, Im a patriot of the USA. I think that we should not allow illegal immigration. We should not merge with canada and mexico and form a union to place the world in the hands of the corporations and banks that run the IMF and World Bank. no I dont want the US to have to bow to UN demands to defend out country. But hey the Patriot Act and the Military commision acts is sponsored by the NEO Cons, so if you take up their position then go stand with them while 76% of the country says you are bad for the USA.

  • Very interesting. Libertarians that want to close borders with our neighbors. I guess their next candidate is going to be Lou Dobbs.

  • There has, as a de facto matter, been one unified currency in much of the world for years for any major trade. We just didn’t seem to mind that fact when it was the American Dollar. Somehow it seems more troubling to think of a unified currency when if a Union of the Americas happened today it would likely be the Canadian Dollar. But that is not a principled objection, that is simply selfish, ethnocentric and imperialist.

    Someone above, I wont bother searching, said that treaties and agreements and alliances and such diminish our sovereignty.

    Yep. Funny how that works: if I want to have friends, I can’t always get my way. Sometimes, we do what they want. It is up to me to decide if on balance I am well or ill selved by that relationship. Indeed, as a “nation of laws” we ought to understand all about such trade-offs: the Constitution reserves to me any rights not granted to the federal or state government, but those “rights” do not give me the personal sovereignty to park my car in your front yard without permission, or force your kids at gunpoint to shovel the snow off of my drive. The simple reality is that any interactions with others requires compromise of absolute sovereignty — this is every bit as true among nations as among individuals. So unless you (a) are an adherent to manifest destiny and think we have a God-given right to get our way at every other peoples’ expense or (b) are such an extreme isolationist that you think we should not have anything to do with any other country, good, bad, or otherwise – including no imports or exports which require agreements, you must be willing to make certain trade-offs of our autonomy.

    Finally, to the extent that treaties, etc are proper in scope and negotiated and ratified according to law, how can they be an affront to our national identity when our “national identity” includes, per the Consititution, the right to enter treaties? That would be like saying amending the Constitution is unconstitutional.

    But, generally, good work to all – you are getting much closer to my over-under bet on comments for this thread! I can use the money!

  • Batman –

    You’re right about everything. You are a patriot and I hate America. You guys are the only ones clairvoyant enough to see the future. These grand conspiracies you speak of would have come to fruition by now if it weren’t for intrepid internet sleuths like yourselves, oh and that pesky dog of yours. Scooby is his name, isn’t it? But I guess that’s just my neocon side coming out. How did you now? By the way, did you know that there are roads in and out of Mexico and Canada already? I hope I didn’t scare you with that. You failed to coherently answer one question. Instead you fired off baseless accusation after accusation. That means you have no answer and no point. Then you launched into a diatribe about regulating vitamins that had no point. Yeah, I guess you’re right having some regulation on vitamins would be a horrible thing. I now realize that vitamin regulation is the whole key to globalization and making America give up her sovereignty. That some snake oils might be gone proves your one world theory. Grow up and get a life, tinkerbell.

  • Here’s the realy odd thing about the wRonG Paul campaign:

    Title 9, section 141.033 (Texas) allows that the candidate may run for both the office of President, and the office of US Congressman. Will he apply for both offices prior to the Convention?

    Imagine the glorious joys of seeing the candidate of the unhinged fringe lose not once—but twice—in the same day. He’s already badmouthed the party; he’s burned far too many bridges to remain a viable influence in his current position. And outside the loyal lackeys (probably numbering no more than a mere quarter-million registered voters), Paul won’t carry a single state. Zero states = zero electoral points.

    There are far too many Republicans who will not vote for Paul—and his “GOPer status” won’t win him many friends among Dems. As for the Indies, far too many of them realize the importance of various federal institutions that Paul wants to do away with. “Not right away,” his minions will argue—and yet, not a one will offer any reasonable timetable for these eliminations. It is also of great import to note that, while Paul makes all these “glorious promises (actually, it’s his minions making the promises; he’s taken to distancing himself from most of his “netroots platform stumping”), it is the Congress that determines whether a department of the Government exists or not. Paul cannot unilaterally abolish Social Security, or the Fed, or Agriculture, or Education, or HHS. He cannot of his own accord succinctly fire tens of thousands of federal employees.

    And a Paul Presidency would be a Presidency at odds with better than two-thirds of the Congress.

    That equals veto overrides….

  • So the Texas legislature create bills laws because of internet rumors now?
    That has to be one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read.

    Ron Paul is the only serious candidate … he’s the only one that talks beyond the 3rd grader debate the others push as serious issues.

  • Zeitgeist; I yield to your reason; I am your humble servant. Excellent, and eminently sensible post, which might make me reconsider my own somewhat isolationist views. The pen is indeed mightier than the sword. Have you thought about running for public office yourself?

  • I agree with Ron Paul, not McCain.
    Hitler was a threat to the USA and the world. Iraq & Saddam was NOT a threat to the USA.

    Ron Paul did a good job, in a hostile environment. The crowd wasn’t always “for him”.

    After the debate, Anderson Cooper and some “talking heads” discussed the candadate’s performance. One of the talking heads commented that Ron Paul talks crasy. He speaks of an internation rd through TX, to Canada. This is just nonsense.

    Let me tell you Ron Paul is correct. Just google Nafta Superhighway. You’ll find out about the Tx Corridor. It’s a road from Mex., to Canada. The Gov. of TX wants to take the needed land by emminet domain. A company from Spain is financing the Rd and will have rights to this TOLL rd for 50 – 99 years.

    Email Anderson Cooper to inform him Ron Paul is NOT crazy, Ron Paul is acurate and correct regarding this road.

    The talking head that lied about Ron Paul was CNN’s Jim Toobin. I watched CNN this evening and he verbally attached him again.

    I suspect he dumbing down Ron Paul, for the benefit of Rudy ?
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    rhttp://www.newsarmy.com/?p=7 Toobin with CNN says the super highway from Mexico to Canada is a figment of Ron Paul’s imagination.

    Jim Toobin should not be allowed to lie about any candidate. Email CNN and lodge a complaint. Ask them to set the record straight.

    Use this link to send comments to CNN i reports. http://www.cnn.com/exchange/ireports/topics/forms/2007/07/cnnyoutube.html

    Use this link to send comments to Anderson Cooper 360:
    http://www.cnn.com/exchange/ireports/topics/forms/2006/12/ac360.anon.html

    Report errors to CNN at this link:
    http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form6a.html?2

    Info on Jeffhttp://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/toobin.jeffrey.html Toobin:

    my comments to CNN:

    Ron Paul is NOT crazy as CNN reporter Jeff Toobin commented. The superhighway Ron Paul spoke of would connect Mexico, the United States, and Canada, cutting a wide swath through the middle of Texas and up through Kansas City. The toll road would be built and operated by a foreign company.

    It’s officially called the trans-Texas corridor and nick named the NAFTA Superhighway.

    CNN has an obligation to set the record straight.

  • Zeitgeist…another post on this thread. What I do know is secrecy makes me suspicious and with this administration everyone has become paranoid because they do so much in secrecy and without oversight or accountability. So it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if while saying no, suddenly agreements were signed and almost overnight construction began on a major highway project using foreign labor and homegrown security. Which leads me to one good realization…no republican will occupy the WH for at least 8yrs. So much for the republican debates. Corporations are still attempting to control our nation and its politics and we need an efficient government to take them on.
    btw…why is it that whenever RP’s name is mentioned in some issue the comments triple?

  • There is no way Ron Paul could school the nation in 90 seconds.

    Ron Paul is not against free trade. Being a member of the WTO is being a member to an international organization that manages trade. I don’t understand for the life of me what people don’t understand. Managed trade and Free trade is not the same thing. The sovereignity issue is just that. The WTO dictates how nations will trade, ie…prices, quantity, type etc… This is the loss of sovereignity Ron Paul talks about. The US should make treaties with other nations concerning trade without a middleman dictating what we will do.

  • If you’re going to be a real journalist, get your facts correct. The NAFTA superhighway has been written about in the trade press covering transportation.

    For instance, there’s advertisement in this month’s INbound Magazine, a trade publication that details plans by development groups for a NAFTA superhighway. (Page 67 of the publication.) It’s being promoted by a group The North American SuperCorridor Coalition and it’s technically a rail and highway north-south network that runs straight through the United States to link Canada and Mexico with us.

  • Actually, Denise, that’s not quite correct: the U.S. already does conduct business directly with other nations, without benefit of a middleman. When one nation or the other perceives that the partner nation is using unfair trading practices, like, say…..imposing a tariff on all imports to the U.S. because you happen to have more of the product than the U.S. and can bring it to market more cheaply – then the nation that feels itself aggrieved takes the matter to the WTO for adjudication.

    Since I’ve already set the stage for a prime example, let’s consider softwood lumber, imported from Canada. The U.S. timber industry perceived that the Canadian government was unfairly subsidizing softwood exports by allowing lumber companies to cut on Crown land, and arbitrarily slapped a substantial tariff on all Canadian softwood lumber imports. Canada paid, and took the matter to the WTO. The WTO ruled against the U.S.: not once, but every time the matter was returned to the court. The U.S. ignored the ruling, and continued to charge the tariff, until some 5 Billion had been collected. Finally, after yet another ruling by the WTO, The U.S. and Canada agreed that 4.5 Billion would be returned, and the U.S. could keep 500 Million, although I can’t imagine why. Another flawed agreement was signed, and the 500 Million was given to the U.S. timber industry, and doubtless most of it went to their attorneys. So, you see, the WTO might be the only recourse for some countries who perceive they have to sell at a disadvantage to the U.S., or they won’t be allowed to sell at all. Examples abound in which U.S. subsidies to their own merchants or farmers make it impossible for poorer countries to compete in the American market: sugar, rice, soybeans and many more.

    I’m afraid I don’t know what Ron Paul’s plan is, but I doubt it involves direct free trade, since most countries would be fools to enter into such a pact.

  • Did you all even WATCH the debate?! Ron Paul was all like, “ZOMG THE HIGHWAYZ SO REAL I TOOCHED IT THIS MORNING IT FELT COLD AND EVIL RUN!” Check the transcript, that’s really what he said – verbatim.

    This “moving toward a NAFTA superhighway” quote you falsified makes it sound like he was only saying that steps are being taken to pave the way for this project. That’s boring. This joornalist is a slanderbear. Ron Paul would not make such a timid and uncontroversial statement! RETRACT THE LIES! HE’S A MADMAN! LET THE WORLD KNOW!

  • Sorry Mark,

    didn’t even bother to read it all, and why should I. You only made an argument for the WTO. You just don’t get it! An agreement between two sovereign nations is a treaty anything else is meaningless!

  • I say Just lets all get along and Nuke the Entire Earth then we would have Nothing to Complain about anymore! Nor any Generations to come would have to Complain no more! We seem to complain more then actually bring Ideas to the Table now days! What happen to the American Spirit of Taking Hard Challenges Head on instead of resorting to this Name Calling and Fighting Each other! I guess those days are over. If so I say we should then hand over the Keys to America to the Chinese or to the Arabs, since they do own most of Our Markets! It would only atleast be fair since we want nothing but to become a slave nation of debt, then actually work to pay back what we owe! We are a Want and Take nation, and not want to Give anything in Return for it! Sad how americans have become lazy, and would rather fight among each other then to Solve the Issues at hand! God Bless the Old Lazy USA! & Good Luck
    P.S. No Wonder Why we the Most Over Weight Nation in the World! We are Lazy, Just like the Romans became! Take & Take & Take Untill We Have Nothing To Take But our Own Lives!

  • Just a wee reminder to all you Paul-O-Matic “bots” out there: Countdown to 05 February is at T-minus 67 days, and counting.

    T, by the way, stands for “terminus….”

  • During the 2 hours after the Nov 28th debate, CNN only mentioned Ron Paul two brief times. One of those times was to call him a conspiracy wacko for believing the Federal government has spent money on developing plans for a North American Union, and has spent money on corridors from Mexico to Texas laying the groundwork on the NAFTA SuperHighway.
    Yet here is Lou Dobbs on CNN telling us all about the NAU and how very real and secretive it is.

    CNN – WHICH IS IT??????????????

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ernLnhIR8uI

  • I encourage everyone to go to the CFR and see the kinds of things that they have in mind for America.

    http://www.cfr.org/publication/8173/north_american_community_approach_to_security.html

    “What we need to do now is forge a North American Community, based on the premise that each member benefits from its neighbor’s success and is diminished by its problems.

    The subject of this hearing today— whether passports should be required to cross our two borders— is symptomatic of the problem. We are thinking too small. We need to find ways to making trade and travel easier while we define and defend a continental security perimeter.”

    “The U.S. Congress should also merge the U.S.-Mexican and U.S.-Canadian interparliamentary groups into a single “North American Parliamentary Group.” A third institution should be a “Permanent Tribunal on Trade and Investment.” NAFTA established ad hoc dispute panels, but it has become difficult to find experts who do not have a conflict of interest to arbitrate conflicts. A permanent court would permit the accumulation of precedent and lay the groundwork for North American business law.”

    Chilling stuff to those who want America to remain sovereign and for Americans to be governed ONLY by US law.

  • Equally chilling to those of us who are not interested in jumping aboard the Big Red-White-and Blue Bandwagon – still a significant majority. Good fences make good neighbours, figuratively speaking.

  • I don’t know why Paul supporters are calling this Texas highway thing some sort of real agenda. As far as I know it hasn’t been covered on the front page of the New York Times – so it can’t possibly be true.

  • America, this is Houston Control. We are at T-minus 66 days and counting to the implosion of the wRonG Paul campaign….

  • “That an international body could force us into such a union against our will is a little silly as all members of the EU joined voluntarily and other nations are APPLYING for membership.”

    Ahh. But they won’t have to force it. The people will ask for it. In fact, they’ll demand it!

    Most people are unaware of the current state of our nation’s finances. Ron Paul favors that ‘cooky, old idea’ of using gold to back our currency. And there’s a very good reason. Gold, like it or not, is like a bellwether -in Ron’s case, a stabilizer.

    Because the amount of gold really doesn’t go up or down, barring some unlikely jackpot discovery of thousands of tons of the stuff, the only thing that does change is a currency’s ability to buy it. Now despite what we’ve all been hearing about the booming economy and jobs and low inflation, consider that to buy an ounce of gold two years ago would’ve cost you app. $300. Today, to buy that same ounce of gold will cost you nearly $850! The reason isn’t that 280% of the gold has just disappeared -and made it more valuable. It’s because the value of our dollar has diminished that far!

    Most likely, Ron isn’t going to win. Most likely, things will continue on, as usual. We’ll be told that everything is okay -well there was one recent Dateline-or-so story posing the question of why the middle class was having such a hard time keeping up. But basically, it’s headed towards falling out from underneath us -just keep your eye on the gold!

    When that happens, Americans are going to be so desperate for an answer that having a ‘strong, unifying’ currency will sound like a savior. Clinton sounds like a good person to announce that. And the people will cheer…

    This is all very foreseeable. If you only pay attention to the trends, you’ll see that Ron isn’t some kook. His main job, in the House, is Finance. He’s very smart in this.

    What gets me is how people fall for these laws and amendments and ideas. The Patriot Act. The Highway of the Saints. The Security and Prosperity Partnership… Where do they get these names?

    Why not just call the bluff on how stupid we are and call the next iteration of nuclear bomb the Freedom Bomb??? “Hey! What’s that burning my skin?!” “Don’t worry. That’s just the tingling sensation to let you know that freedom is working:)”

  • Here are documents from the Canadian government about the “NAFTA highway”:

    http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/INFTRA_Content/docType56/Production/pol306.htm
    http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/INFTRA_Content/doctype59/production/pol295.htm
    http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/INFTRA_Content/doctype59/production/Canamex-Trade-Brochure.pdf

    They refer to the projects as “NAFTA Trade Corridors”, “NAFTA Superhighway”, and “CANAMEX Trade Corridor” in their documents. They mention that the highways will run parallel to I-25 and I-15.

    Please take the time to review the documents (especially the PDF). I kind of doubt you’ll write up a follow up article about this, but that would of course be proper.

  • I have to disagree with #52. If George Bush was a pineapple and could not act, move, or talk then the USA and the world would be in a far better position than it is right now.

  • More info. about the highway –

    Posted: December 18, 2007
    10:07 p.m. Eastern

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

    Canada has announced a plan to extend the NAFTA Superhighway network north in a way that would finish a continental grid designed to accommodate an anticipated tsunami of containers from China and the Far East.
    The Canadian Intelligent Super Corridor, or CISCOR, is a national transportation route designed to reach from the West Coast ports of Vancouver and Prince Rupert to Montreal and Halifax.

    As WND has documented, recent articles published in The Nation and Newsweek magazines have attempted to characterize the NAFTA Superhighway as a “conspiracy theory.”

    Yet, the CISCOR case study provides strong evidence that the continent’s ports, highways and rail lines are being reconfigured into an inter-modal system emphasizing technological logistics and “inland smart ports” designed to meet the demands of world trade, largely driven by the relocation of North American manufacturing to China.

    Inter-modal is a transportation economics reference to containers that can be transported on several different modes of transportation, including container ships, trucks and trains, without having to be unloaded or repacked.

    According to the CISCOR website, the Saskatchewan-based CISCOR Inland Port Network of the cities of Regina, Saskatoon and Moose Jaw is designed to serve “as the central logistics and coordination hub, creating a Canadian east-west land bridge connecting three major North American north-south corridors: North America’s SuperCorridor, or NASCO, the Canada-America-Mexico Corridor, or CANAMEX, and the River of Trade Corridor Coalition.”

    A multi-color North American continental map on the CISCOR website leaves no doubt the Canadian super corridor is designed to interface with the NAFTA Superhighway, extending down into Mexico.

    The CISCOR map strongly models the continental map displayed by NASCO on the trade group’s website in 2005.

    The CISCOR website confirms an earlier WND report documenting the Canadian national transportation plan to open Prince Rupert and Vancouver as deep-water ports capable of handling the new class of 12,500 container-capacity post-Panamax ships now being built for China.

    The CISCOR strategy falls under the umbrella of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Asia-Pacific Gateway and Corridor Initiative as defined by Transport Canada, the Canadian counterpart to the U.S. Department of Transportation.

    WND previously documented how the Canadian National and Canadian Pacific railroads are included in Canada’s Asia-Pacific Gateway and Corridor Initiative, positioned to operate as NAFTA railroads.

    Under the CISCOR plan, the Saskatchewan cities are defined as an “inland smart port,” as are Kansas City, San Antonio and Denver in the U.S.

    The CISCOR website cites the University of Texas Center for Transportation research to define an inland port as follows: “An Inland Port is a physical site located away from traditional land, air and coastal borders with the vision to facilitate and process international trade through strategic investment in multi-modal transportation assets and by promoting value-added services as goods move through the supply chain.”

    The plan to make the Saskatchewan cities an inland port centers on utilizing the West Coast deep-water ports in British Columbia as the input point for millions of containers from China and the Far East.

    American companies have taken advantage of cheap labor in China that in some cases functions at slave or near-slave levels. Communist Chinese prison camps also continue to make goods for the U.S. market, despite human rights pressure.

    Reconfiguring the transportation infrastructure of North America into NAFTA Superhighways or Super Corridors drastically reduces the cost of transporting the containers from China

    A quick look at the continental map shows the physical location of the Saskatchewan cities qualifies them to be an “inland port” because the area can function as a switching center, with easy access either to CANAMEX or to what NASCO refers to as the NASCO Corridor, the complex of Interstate Highways 35, 29 and 94.

    Containers can be unloaded by crane in Saskatchewan and placed in giant warehouses. There they await pick-up by truck or train to be transported to the next regional warehouse for delivery to the final destination in North America.

    An inland port is considered to be a “smart port” when technology – such as Radio Frequency Identification, or RFID systems – are utilized to facilitate customs clearance, security, warehouse distribution, multi-modal trans-load operations, empty container management and advanced container logistics tracking.

    As WND reported, the Chinese ports management firm, Hutchison Ports Holdings, is working with Lockheed Martin in a joint venture with NASCO to place RFID sensors along I-35 to track inter-modal containers from China that enter North America through the Mexican ports of Lazaro Cardenas and Manzanillo.

    An 87-page business analysis archived on the CISCOR website lays out the case for developing Saskatchewan as an Inland SmartPort in the following points that begin the report’s Executive Summary:

    A majority of the new containerships entering the world fleet in the next five years will be post-Panamax vessels ready to transport cargo from China, Southeast Asia and India to North American ports already strained with capacity.

    The Panama Canal is approaching operational capacity and the U.S. transportation network is struggling to meet the predicted 15 percent annual rise in Asian container traffic.

    In response to the rapid growth in North American trade, the shift in the global freight supply chain and the increased congestion at U.S. ports and along the inter-modal system, shippers are now routing a growing share of cargo via Canadian ports.
    The CISCOR business report Executive Summary concludes, “Canada can serve as the North American gateway at the intersection of three powerful and shifting trade networks – the north-south North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the European-NAFTA, and the highly-utilized trans-Pacific route.”

    “The desired result is a fully-integrated, seamless cargo transport corridor moving cargo from the ports to rail and highways and to an inland port logistics center that serves all North American markets,” the CISCOR Executive Summary concludes.

    To open the connection to the European Union, CISCOR envisions extending the Canadian Intermodal Network to the east coast port of Halifax.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59267

  • lol @ texas passing laws the stop the possibility of an internet rumour becoming true.

    Seriously….how do you even justify the things you say?

  • I live in East Texas. The Trans-Texas Corridor is real. They are looking into which land to buy for the right-of-way. I recently spoke with a County official who told me that he was recently instructed to halt purchasing land for the long-planned widening of an existing minor state highway. The reason being that the legislature had constrained Texas DoT spending such that they could no longer buy more right-of-way for the widening. He told me that TXDoT is being transformed into a road maintenance agency and that all new road projects are going to be toll roads – corporate toll roads. This is against what the majority of voters in the state want. Perry and his cronies want it because of all the extreme profits they will make. The tolls are the tip of the iceberg. They are trying to buy such a wide swath of land that they will be selling land parcels along the sides at incredible mark-up after the TTR is built. BTW, Perry is Bush’s hand-picked sucessor in the Governor’s Mansion.

  • When do you think the Feds will implement the Amero currency?
    Do you think the Amero will be just as worthless as the current dollar? Do you think things will be far worse if they do bring in the Amero?

    What things can we expect to see (economy, society, housing, food, energy, foreign relations ect..) when they do bring in the Amero?

    If I were you I would start buying gold and silver coins which I am.
    Because those coins will be worth more than the dollar and the Amero.

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