Ron Paul: Just another paleocon

Guest Post by Morbo

For a few years in my misspent youth, I was enamored with the philosophy of libertarianism. Libertarians claims to advocate a consistent political philosophy — free markets and free minds — and thus insist their party is one of true principle. But these days it looks like the libertarian emphasis is mostly on low taxes and deregulation. The other half of the equation is usually ignored.

Consider the current infatuation with Texas congressman and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul. Paul was the Libertarian Party’s 1988 presidential nominee and is much feted by party members today. According to The Washington Post, Paul is a huge hit on the web. The paper reports, “Republican strategists point out that libertarians, who make up a small but vocal portion of the Republican base, intrinsically gravitate toward the Web’s anything-goes, leave-me-alone nature.”

That’s nice. It’s too bad Paul isn’t really a libertarian because he doesn’t advocate the government leaving people alone. He is, in fact, just another paleocon more at home in the Pat Buchanan wing of the GOP. Big deal.

Paul holds caveman views on most social issues. He elevates state power over liberty in most cases. Consider:

* Libertarians say that a person’s reproductive rights should be sacrosanct. No decision could be more personal, more private. So Paul supports legal abortion, right? Wrong. Paul’s Web site says, “The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.” It goes on to list the numerous bills Paul has introduced designed to curb or outlaw legal abortion.

* Libertarians believe in open borders. They support no curbs on immigration and condemn fence-building as a solution. This is Paul’s view, correct? Nope. From Paul’s Web site: “The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all.” His six-point plan calls for ending “birthright citizenship” – a move that would require a constitutional amendment.

* Libertarians assert that what you believe about religion is your own business and say government should not meddle in theological matters. Where does Paul stand? He has repeatedly co-sponsored moronic constitutional amendments pushed by the Religious Right that would give government officials the right to impose religious worship on children through the public schools and on adults through the display of religious iconography in courthouses, city halls, state assemblies and other public facilities.

* Libertarians maintain that an individual’s sex life should be of no concern of the government. They oppose laws that seek to reduce gays to second-class citizenship. Paul’s view? He says he does not support amending the Constitution to ban same-sex marriage, but he has backed legislation that would strip federal courts of the ability to hear challenges to the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act. In 1999, Paul voted for a mean-spirited provision designed to deny same-sex couples in the Washington, D.C., the right to adopt children.

Paul’s frequent support for “court stripping” as a remedy to perceived social ills should give libertarians pause. A central tenet of libertarianism is that a citizen should have some recourse when his rights are violated by the state. Paul would take that away by denying courts the right to hear entire classes of cases. Does anyone in the Libertarian Party care?

One of the reasons I grew weary of libertarianism (aside from the fact that its economic policy is cruel and simplistic) was the smug arrogance of so many of its adherents. They were forever blathering on about how unprincipled the two main parties are and derided anyone who supports them as foolish. Libertarian support for Paul — an old-fashioned paleocon from the Buchanan school who is hostile to half of the libertarian agenda — proves that the “party of principle” has a hypocrisy problem as well.

It’s always nice to see another conservative oppose the war in Iraq. I suppose that accounts for some of Paul’s popularity right now. But at the end of the day, most of Paul’s ideas aren’t interesting, worthwhile or ground-breaking. He does not deserve all of this attention.

Ideologies are simple. Reality is messy.

Ron Paul is just another politician pretending to be principled while pandering to the polls, the pols and the base.

It occurred to me the other day that, obviously, belief systems have become too important in the presidential race. Why in the world would a politician’s beliefs in when life began, stem cell and such be relevant. They shouldn’t be mucking around in those issues any way. How about a belief in the Constitution and personal freedom as long as it doesn’t Everything has been politicized.

And, no, corporations aren’t people and don’t qualify for personal freedom.

  • Paul’s views of foreign policy and energy offer a significant step forward, and should be embraced by the majority of American’s if we ever can expect to replace War is good mentality. Also the idea that one attacks Paul’s view based on your test of what a true libertain should be doesn’t make sense, really who cares other then libertain’s concerned with some sort of purity. Maybe just maybe the left and middle should offer support for Paul’s foreign policy views as a way to get the Democratic Party to move forward on defense and related matters. Also nothing wrong with somebody who believes in a balanced Federal Budget.

  • Although I usually vote Libertarian for protest reasons (like it matters in Alabama), the party itself is just a corporate shill, albiet an entertaining one. The day I take the Libertarian party at its word is the day they get serious about corporate welfare (which is, of course, a redundancy) and decide they want to start to take away the benefits for the people at the top before they start dismantling the support for those at the bottom.

    Much like a car wreck, they are fun to watch, but in reality people get hurt.

  • I first head of Paul when I was surfing for some sanity on the web regarding the Iraq invasion. I read Hillary’s comments first. That was the last time I had any respect for her. I read Paul’s speech, and wondered if this was the only sane person in Washington. I could find no other scrap of sanity from politicians.

    Look up Paul’s speech if you haven’t read it. I don’t have the link, but it’s a great piece that belies the “we were lied to, and didn’t know better” excuse that is still being used today.

    Of course, then I researched him a bit and …

    I guess if you are only going to be right once, that was a good time to be right.

  • Dr. Paul believes what he does about abortion because he was an ob/gyn for a living. And his views on abortion don’t really matter because he believes that it is a state issue, not a federal one. His personal beliefs do not matter when it comes to his stance on abortion.

    And anyone that thinks Dr. Paul panders to voters is insane. The guy has a constistant voting record for 10 terms in Congress. There isn’t one person that could say the same. There are articles, reports, and even video of Dr. Paul 20 years ago with the same principled beliefs.

    People are drawn to Dr. Paul’s message because people embrace the idea of liberty and freedom. In a time when things like the patriot act, internet regulation, and undeclared wars are rampant, messages like that are extremely inviting. Hillary is even trying to pass more regulations on talk radio. What is next? Burning books and telescreens in everyone’s homes?

  • ‘Paleocon’ — now that’s a neologism to feel good about.

    But ‘caveman views’ on social issues is really unfair to cavemen. Some of my best friends have lived in caves, and very much the better for it they are too. They wouldn’t be seen dead with a con of any vintage, paleo-, messo- neo-, or other.

    There should be some kind of trademark-like protection on significant words, so they don’t get abused and vulgarized. ‘Libertarian’ in the old days before it became a quasi-political tag, resonated with the idea of freedom and tolerance, something akin to hedonism with awareness. Anyway, it’s a word I felt a kinship with and was glad to have available. Now it’s been stolen and degraded out of any useful recognition.

  • Has anyone ever met a “libertarian” who didn’t ultimately reveal themseles as an idiot, a moron, or worse? I suppose the idea works fine among a group of 100 or fewer who agree they’ll all be “principled” in their dealings with each other… until one of them realizes that by being unprincipled he can take everything the other 99 have.

  • The people who support Ron Paul are treasonous traitors and all of them should be rounded up and put into FEMA camps and left to rot. Most of these people are pot-smoking pagan liberals who do not believe in Jesus Christ. My only hope is that their IP addresses are being collected on the Internet by the government, while these people are still freely moving about. The last thing we need in this country are a bunch of ticked off domestic terrorists running around, once their lame-ass candidate gets seriously dumped in the Republican nomination.

  • Hendrick

    So, you propose “rounding up” people you don’t like and putting them in FEMA camps? Are you on the neocons’ payroll? Are your masters scared of Ron? They should be.

    The propogation of people with your belief systems in our government is exactly why we need a small-government guy like Dr. Paul to go in and clean your fascist like out.

  • That is some really dry wit you’ve got there, hendrick! That’s the main reason why so many ppl are interested in Ron Paul’s message: they are opening their eyes to the realities of what a centralized concentration of power over people is like. No matter our personal differences on real ethical issues, none of us (I hope) would want one group to incarcerate others that are law abiding and whose only crime is criticism of the governmental system. When some declare that harsh interrogation (like waterboarding) is right, they are no longer ethically or morally superior, if ever they were.

  • Hendrick Weisstaff’s trolling aside, count me as a liberal who was initially intrigued by Ron Paul. These positions of his you mention lead me to believe he’s not the candidate I was hopeful that he was. I would like to see some links, though, to back up these statements. Perhaps the ‘bagger could do a short series with links?

  • Mr. Hendrick Weisstaff,

    I got shivers up and down my spine when I read your remarks. I find it extremely repugnant that you would advocate such horrendous treatment towards people who simply desire protection of the freedoms and rights declared in the Constitution as God-given and unalienable. What you are promoting is nothing more than treachery being used to stifle political and ideological dissent. To do this in the name of Jesus Christ is incredibly embarrassing.

    I request you retract your remark and rejoin those who honor and value the Constitution and celebrate the fact that we are yet able to have open discussion and even dissent. Christians may need this as much as anyone.

    This is one reason America has gotten as far as it has. Ron Paul may not have all the answers, but I see much of value he has to offer and I am changing from the Libertarian Party to the Republican Party and voting for him.

    I believe many Christians could be making a grave error of judgment and exposing themselves as hypocrites. Please read my article Ron Paul vs. Modern-day Judas to give this a reasoned inquiry.

  • Hendrick,
    Reading the responses to your post, I have to wonder who posts on this blog. (dry humor?) I suppose this means no one got the subtlety of my post (4) – the only sanity I could find in government pre-invasion …was a lunatic!

  • I find Ron Paul intriguing, though I certainly don’t agree with him on many, many issues. Many good points in comments above. And a few scary.

    For those of you wanting more info, visit his official website:
    http://www.house.gov/paul/

    The website features his floor speeches going back to 2000 (see index). The one currently featured “In the name of patriotism” of 5/22/07 is good, though what got me first interested in him was hearing his floor speech of 4/6/05 “Who’s Better Off?” on CSPAN, which is worth a read. The speeches are listed chronologically.

    “In the Name of Patriotism”:
    http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2007/cr0522107.htm

    “Who’s Better Off?”: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2005/cr040605.htm

  • Re: 5 who said, “Dr. Paul believes what he does about abortion because he was an ob/gyn for a living. And his views on abortion don’t really matter because he believes that it is a state issue, not a federal one.”

    Nope. Paul supports (and in fact co-sponsored) a constitutional amendment to outlaw most abortions. So much for states’ rights. See:

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul100.html

  • Hahahh… oh, man… I like it when the the insane shills, fans and PR-people show up in blog-comments.
    The stupidity is glorious to read.

  • All of your points are factually incorrect.

    * Libertarians say that a person’s reproductive rights should be sacrosanct.
    Not exactly. Libertarians believe no person has the right to initiate violence againts another. Some of them don’t consider a fetus “alive”, so they can be aborted. Some of them do, and don’t want to allow it. Paul is one of the later types, though he recognizes the federal government has no right to rule on the issue one way or the other. The link posted earlier:
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul100.html
    confirms this.

    Support of an amendment is the only constitutional way to ban abortions. Paul is pro-life and pro-constitution, so it only makes sense he’d support something like this. Of course, such an amendment would never be ratified.

    * Libertarians believe in open borders
    Paul believes in open boarders as well, though not with costly welfare states. Paul believes we encourage illegial immigration with our entitlements and education being freely given to illegials. So we’d need rather sweeping reforms to allow immigrants to come in freely without everyone else in America paying for them.

    Then there is the terrorist threat and open borders… Any nation has a right to defend itself, and if that means closing its borders, it can do so.

    * Libertarians assert that what you believe about religion is your own business and say government should not meddle in theological matters
    And thats exactly what Paul believes. He doesn’t want the federal government involved. He believes prayer should be allowed in schools, but it most certainly should not be mandated or banned by the government.

    * Libertarians maintain that an individual’s sex life should be of no concern of the government.
    Paul agrees, which is why he doesn’t want the federal government to have any say in marriage at all. It has no authority to rule on marriage, and under the constitution any attempt to do so is null and void.

    He talks about the court-stripping issue here:
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul298.html
    He wanted to remove the power of the federal government to rule on all sorts of cases, so court-stripping is a logical and constitutional way to do that.

    Keep in mind that above all, libertarians must respect the rule of law. The law, in our case the constitution, is the only thing which keeps the federal government from ruling on every aspect of our lives. In modern times the text of it is largely ignored, but we thankfully still have the amendments (bill of rights, etc) to protect us.

    By the way, the term “libertarian” came from “liberal”. The founders of America were considered liberals, but that philosophy has slowly been altered towards socialism (especially after FDR’s New Deal). So for a time it was reffered to as “classical liberalism”. In 1955, some guy named Dean Russel wrote:
    “Many of us call ourselves “liberals,” And it is true that the word “liberal” once described persons who respected the individual and feared the use of mass compulsions. But the leftists have now corrupted that once-proud term to identify themselves and their program of more government ownership of property and more controls over persons. As a result, those of us who believe in freedom must explain that when we call ourselves liberals, we mean liberals in the uncorrupted classical sense. At best, this is awkward, subject to misunderstanding. Here is a suggestion: Let those of us who love liberty trademark and reserve for our own use the good and honorable word “libertarian.””

    So when you speak of libertarians, be aware you speak of the classical liberals who founded America. The founders were educated in history, and they (ok, except Hamilton) knew what unchecked government expansion would lead to. Given our 60-trillion dollar entitlement problem which is going to hit home in a few decades, I think Jefferson was right. You can’ trust politicians to spend your money wisely, and if you allow them too much power they will spend today and pass the bill to the future generations to pay off via debt. Its a problem which has plagued many republics throughout histroy – our problems are nothing new.

  • Right off the bat you’re wrong about the Libertatian philosopy about abortion. It’s still being debated endlessly in their ranks, as well as everywhere else in the country.

    Besides, Paul is running as a small government old style Republican, not a Libertarian.

    And having listened to many political speeches over the years, you’ll have to work really hard to convince me that Paul doesn’t understand history (and the importance of it!) better than anybody else in Washington.

    Lock me up if you absolutely must keep me from voting, but until you do Ron Paul is my guy.

  • Ron Paul on Abortion:

    Given these dilemmas, what should those of us in the pro-life community do? First, we must return to constitutional principles and proclaim them proudly. We must take a principled approach that recognizes both moral and political principles, and accepts the close relationship between them. Legislatively, we should focus our efforts on building support to overturn Roe v. Wade. Ideally this would be done in a fashion that allows states to again ban or regulate abortion. State legislatures have always had proper jurisdiction over issues like abortion and cloning; the pro-life movement should recognize that jurisdiction and not encroach upon it. The alternative is an outright federal ban on abortion, done properly via a constitutional amendment that does no violence to our way of government.

  • Congressman Paul is opposed to the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq. He has even said that he wants to abolish the CIA. If a Democratic presidential candidate held all three of these views, the first thing that right-winger would ask him/her is “Why do you hate America?”

  • Erm, he doesn’t want to abolish the CIA. He just wants to get it out of overthrowing foreign governments and things like that, unless those actions are needed for the defense of America.

  • One must simply wonder, then, who will be granted the “authority” to determine that the CIA be used to overthrow a sovereign nation’s government—and who will decide what’s in the best interests of the nation.

    Ron Paul? I should think not. Granting him the mantle of “Paleocon” does this Jeckyl-Hyde contamination of “legitimate” Libertartianism a great dis-service. I should think that “Dr.” Paul—an individual with such an inverted intellectual renown that it affords “Dr. Phil” the potential to qualify for a Nobel—and his 700+ “crackerjack” ramblings (they require lots of caramel coating, a copious quantity of salted peanuts, and a free prize just to coerce being weighed as “articles”) be forthwith redefined as a “Protocon.”

    This, of course, would be based on the philosophical weight of his muddied ramblings being something not long withdrawn from the same puddle of primordial soup that gave the world such wonderous objects as Ebola, as the mere reading of any few Paul diatribes leaves one with the sense that their internal organds are being rendered into a somewhat putrid broth.

    And—it is of the utmost, elemental importance to recognize that today’s “neo”-Libertarian fails to qualify as even a distant cousin, umpteenth-times-removed, to the Founders of the Republic. Today’s Libertarian has become a farcical charlatan, promoting a form of government that will line his pockets with both profit and power, at the expense of all who dare to question his motives. Ron Paul—Protocon—is just such a Libertarian….

  • If Dr Paul has been an ob-gyn (Danny, @5), you’d expect him to want the best (safest) life for women, no? That would include safe abortions and the best (from med point of view) procedures. But it doesn’t sem t be the case.

    And can someone tell me what Dr Paul’s stance is on the matters of race? His position on immigration? And I don’t mean his own cammpaign website, which, like all such websites, is, basically, a self-puffing-up piece of nonsense and spin.

  • Why do we let gay rights guys and abortion junkies push us around?

    There are larger fish to fry.

  • Ron Paul is the only candidate with a verifiable history of being consistent and true to his word and his STATED POSITIONS.
    All the other presidential candidates talk the typical election time double talk. A lot of statements (and even accents) that vary with the audience. Paul is the only candidate that doesn’t pretend to be someone he’s not. What you see is what you’ll get, is what you got- and you can easily find confirmation of his character and his politics in his 10-term long record as a lawmaker.
    If Congress had more honest members like Ron Paul, its approval rating would be triple of what it is today and Ron Paul would be only a fringe candidate the “main stream” makes him out to be.
    But, since all the other candidates come across as double faced opportunists (except maybe for Gravel- the true fringe candidate) and liars, Ron Paul is so refreshing to see that he commends respect and attention.
    I don’t care if some of his views are far out- they have no chance of ever becoming the law of the land anyway- congress will never vote for something too far out, thus preventing them from ever becoming laws.
    But government agencies and ministries headed by people appointed by Paul have a better outlook of actually working for the people as opposed to for the special interest.
    Yes, he will come under a lot of criticism if elected, but the pendulum of power has to swing the other way so that the balance of power is averaged over the years. Right now there is too much power abuse, incompetency and downright absurdities in the way government works. Vote for Ron Paul is a statement of disagreement with the status quo. Neocons suck, so do Liberals. I will not vote for either.
    Ron Paul might turn out to be the wrong man for the job, but at least with him I see a glimpse of hope. To me any of the other Republicans or Democrats are sure to be four more years of same old. They always run on promise of “change” but fail to deliver any meaningful change. Well, Ron Paul is the only one who will deliver for sure. He has a record of standing behind his word.

  • if you ACTUALLY look into it, you will find that Ron Paul is actually more Republican that most Republican, and im talking in the historic sense. the the neo-con base that we have today.

    i personally feel that he is a man of integrity, and strongly believes in giving power to the people. that is the kind of person we need in office, someone who will try to ACTUALLY make things better, instead of making them worse. Not someone who is going to get rich off of a “war”. or someone who is basing their ENTIRE platform for running for office, on 9/11 ( i think everyone knows exactly who im talking about )

    anyhow, that my .02

  • Daniel Rotter:

    congressman Paul never ONCE said he wanted to abolish the CIA, i think that you are reading into what he says. because you are yet another person who has him written off as an extremeist. although everyone should be able to have and opinion and believe what they want, it isnt right at all to twist a man’s words around.

    like i said, watch the interview again, I just watched it about 5 minutes ago. he never said that he wante to do away with it. just basically take away some of it’s infinite power. plus since he feels that we shouldn’t be involved in ANY foreign affair, it would make sense to give them less power. since the only thing the CIA does is foreign intelligence.

  • It was (the other) President Clinton who signed The Defense of Marriage Act into law to begin with. I’m an openly gay man/blogger and a supporter of Ron Paul. I’m no Paul newbie, I’ve been reading “Texas Straight Talk” for years. I haven’t read anything by him in all those years that leads me to believe that he is homophobic, not any more than any other candidate for president with the exceptions of Mike Gravel and Denis Kucinich. He’s a politician and he plays to a rough crowed. But his statements on individual right ring loud and true to me. What good are gay rights in the world of the Bush/Clinton oligarchy where no one has any rights… really… any more. If gay rights was my only issue, I’d be squarely with Kucinich or Gravel.

    I don’t agree with Paul on gay marriage and I don’t agree with him on abortion, although on the latter issue, he argues not from the point of a bible-thumping Jerry Falwell, but rather as a doctor. While I still believe that a woman (or a man) must have absolute control over their own body, an OB/GYN like Paul does have some valid observations about when life begins. I can sympathize with his observation even if I don’t agree with their conclusions.

    As for the issue of immigration, Paul’s position is not so far from my own. He is staunchly against illegal immigration. He is pro-free trade and pro-legal immigration.

    But really, Paul is not so much of a libertarian, as he is a constitutionalist. He reads the laws and then follows them and takes the 10th Amendment particularly seriously. He is against the Federal assumption of powers not specifically granted it by the constitution.

    As I look to the dangers our individual liberties face in the modern world, I can find no better defender of the individual rights of human beings running for president today than Ron Paul. No one else has the balls to take on fiat curency, public debt, torture, interventionism, and preemptive war like Ron Paul does. Is he perfect? No. Is he the best we’ve got? My vote is absolutely yes.

  • I am a Ron Paul supporter and am shocked at the inaccuracies and smears used in your article.

    ******Libertarians claims to advocate a consistent political philosophy — free markets and free minds — and thus insist their party is one of true principle. But these days it looks like the libertarian emphasis is mostly on low taxes and deregulation. The other half of the equation is usually ignored.*******

    Regulations and taxes are enforced with coercion. Once you understand this, you understand that the libertarian position against regulations and taxes is entirely consistent with it being the foremost proponent of individual liberty.

    In a pure democracy, 51% of the population can force the other 49% to hand over half of their wealth every year for wars that the 49% object to. In a Constitutional Republic that protects individual liberty, there are limits to coercion, i.e. limits to the mechanism of government, in order to protect the minority, the individual, against the collective power of the majority.

    ******Libertarians say that a person’s reproductive rights should be sacrosanct. No decision could be more personal, more private. So Paul supports legal abortion, right? Wrong. Paul’s Web site says, “The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.” It goes on to list the numerous bills Paul has introduced designed to curb or outlaw legal abortion.**************

    Libertarianism holds that one of the few justifiable roles of government is to protect life and liberty from acts of violence, and abortion is an act of violence. If a person believes that a fetus is an individual deserving life, the the government has an obligation to protect that fetus.

    In any case, Ron Paul is against the federal government banning abortion, because he believes in the federal system outlined in the constitution, that calls for local decentralized decision making.

    ***** Libertarians believe in open borders. They support no curbs on immigration and condemn fence-building as a solution. This is Paul’s view, correct? Nope. From Paul’s Web site: “The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all.” His six-point plan calls for ending “birthright citizenship” – a move that would require a constitutional amendment.**************

    So libertarianism calls for the end of the nation state? This is a blatant misrepresentation of the general Libertarian stance.

    ************ Libertarians assert that what you believe about religion is your own business and say government should not meddle in theological matters. Where does Paul stand? He has repeatedly co-sponsored moronic constitutional amendments pushed by the Religious Right that would give government officials the right to impose religious worship on children through the public schools and on adults through the display of religious iconography in courthouses, city halls, state assemblies and other public facilities.**********************

    He has NEVER sponsored constitutional amendments regarding religion. Show me a single instance of him doing this. Why do you lie?

    ******************** In 1999, Paul voted for a mean-spirited provision designed to deny same-sex couples in the Washington, D.C., the right to adopt children.*********************************

    This is a blatant lie. No he didn’t, he supported a bill that would provide federal FUNDING for adoptions by non-related people. He votes against ALL unconstitutional spending bills, this has nothing to do with “gay adoption”, and it has nothing to do with their right to adopt, which this bill did not involve.

    So is this all you have?

  • That last sentence should be:

    No he didn’t, he voted AGAINST a bill that would provide federal FUNDING for adoptions by non-related people. He votes against ALL unconstitutional spending bills, this has nothing to do with “gay adoption”, and it has nothing to do with their right to adopt, which this bill did not involve.

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