Ron Paul puts his nuttiness in print

Rep. Ron Paul’s (R-Texas) presidential campaign had a pretty good week. Paul announced that he raised $5 million in the third quarter, which not only stunned the political world, it put him on par with GOP heavyweights like John McCain in the race for campaign funding. It’s difficult to dismiss a guy as a “fringe” candidate on a “quixotic” quest when he’s able to demonstrate this kind of support.

But it’s incredibly easy to dismiss a guy as “nutty” when he writes bizarre, hand-written letters about a U.N.-takeover of the world.

Brendan Nyhan received a fundraising letter from Paul, in which the candidate insisted that American sovereignty is hanging by a thread.

I don’t need to tell you that our American way of life is under attack. We see it all around us — every day — and it is up to us to save it.

The world’s elites are busy forming a North American Union. If they are successful, as they were in forming the European Union, the good ‘ol USA will only be a memory. We can’t let that happen.

The UN also wants to confiscate our firearms and impose a global tax. The UN elites want to control the world’s oceans with the Law of the Sea Treaty. And they want to use our military to police the world.

Keep in mind, all of this was written long-hand. I know fundraising operations have grown sophisticated, and professionals can make it appear as if a letter is hand-written when it’s really just a clever font, but this (.pdf) certainly looks like it came from Ron Paul’s pen. What’s more, it is, as Kevin put it, “Unabomber-esque.”

Listening to the debates, Paul often comes across as the most sensible guy on the stage, especially when it comes to Iraq and the Patriot Act. And then we’re reminded, in print, that when it comes to a paranoid vision of the world, Paul really is out there on the political periphery.

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  • The establishment quakes in fear as the Ron Paul Revolution takes off…

    …how dare he hand-write a letter to constituents? Who does that? How nutty!

    RON PAUL ’08

  • So many of the Paul supporters I talk too have no idea of his stance on any other issue but the war in Iraq…they claim that is enough to vote for him. They would be shocked at what he truly believes but for some reason it is the best kept secret in politics these days…that and the fact that Dennis Kucinich is the best candidate on all the issues far surpassing his democratic contemporaries. Thanks for giving Paul some much needed exposure for his stance on other issues besides the war. No one seems to know what he is really about and it would scare the hell out of them “I support him because of his stance on the war” people.

  • Paul might well be a nut, I don’t follow his career that closely, and I don’t have a lot of confidence in any candidate to provide the kind of leadership America needs to get back to the kind of country it was. However, and allowing for a slip of Mr. Paul’s pen when he suggested “the world’s” elites were pushing for a North America Union, I don’t think he meant the U.N. – he cast much too wide a net. A North American Union, at least as a concept, is very much a reality. On this side if the border, it’s driven by the CCCE; the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, who see an unparalleled opportunity for growing rich and setting themselves up in the governance circle of a new global (or at least continental) powerhouse.

    Remember Bush’s vague meanderings (following 9-11, the only date far too many politicians can remember now) about a “Fortress North America”, where the entire continent would be sealed off by perimeter defence, after which borders within would become somewhat fluid, and a great deal more intermingling would take place?

    Since then there have been cross-border conferences on ventures into “deep integration” and “North American branding”, which would introduce an educational agenda to bring up schoolchildren to think of themselves as “North Americans” rather than simply Americans or Canadians. I’m afraid I’ve seen very little of where Mexico would figure in all this, but such a plan would be bound to consider Mexico in the same light.

    Americans who opposed such a whackjob plan would be very right to do so, and I can assure you it has no legs here, at least not beyond business elites who care less about what flag they salute than about their bank balance.

  • Maybe this is how he’s been able to raise more money. Think of all those old folks across the country who are alone and whose faculties are degrading, and who get bilked by the-sky-is-falling letters from televangelists and the like all the time. These people are already predisposed to seeing the world they grew up in as falling apart, because that’s what they’ve already observed over the course of their lives, without anyone describing it for them. Then someone who pretends to be a nice man like Ron Paul comes along and tells them that if they don’t send him at least $20 right away the UN is going to take over the world.

  • Uh. Yeah. Well, he’s got the Backwoods Militia, Crazed Hermit, Road Sign Shooters vote sewn up.

    Who knows, we may need those crazy bastards to flush the BushBots out of the White House. Provided they don’t hang around afterwards, I don’t think I’d mind too much.

  • The Libertarian party has been making ripples in American politics for that last thirty years or so, and Ron Paul was the Libertarian Party’s presidential candidate in 1988. Although he caucuses with the Republicans in Congress, he really isn’t one of them. The reason that he sounds like the most sensible guy on the stage in the presidential debates is that… He’s debating against Republicans!

    I went to one Libertarian Party meeting back in the 1970’s. I was attracted by their views on civil liberties. I got turned off to them very quickly when I started hearing their views on other subjects. Their guiding principle is individual liberty. And any unmoderated guiding principle usually leads to scary extremism.

    The “hand-written” letter from Paul (of course it is computer-generated) sounds to me like the same old Libertarian nuttiness. But don’t expect Ron Paul to fade from the scene. Give his supporters credit – they know what his views are. And they have the dedication of true believers, in Eric Hoffer’s sense of the term.

  • Hell, this is nothing compared to some of the letters to our leading newspaper in Idaho.

    I’m surprised he doesn’t know about Al Gore and his worldwide conspiracy to end capitalism as we know it.

  • It’s easy to dismiss something as kooky or crazy if you are unfamiliar with what is presented. If someone is hearing or reading about something for the first time and it sounds crazy, then it is very easy for that person to rationalize it away as being crazy. Being that you are probably unfamiliar with what Ron Paul is stating in his letter, you dismiss him as being nutty.

    Do some research on the North Ameican Union and you will see how real it is. Do some research into how the European Union started and how the start and the progression of it was all done by obfuscation.

    The UN has made it clear that they do want global gun control. Any amount of simple research will make it very clear that what Ron Paul is saying is true. Look up the Law of the Sea Treaty and read it. It’s available. Find out what the consequences would be if the world and especially the USA were to be a part of it.

    You are dismissing a 40 years in practice medical doctor and a 10 term congress man as being nutty because you are uninformed on the issues he is addressing. You offer no counter arguements to his claims, no proof that what he is saying is a lie or just crazy, and simple-minded responses to very serious claims. Who’s nutty now?

  • Rockefeller Quotes
    “Some even believe we (Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
    – David Rockefeller, “Memoirs”, 2002

    Rockefeller Quotes
    “Here we had the Morgans, the Rockefellers, Kuhn, Loeb & Company, the Rothschilds and the Warburgs. Anything strange about that mixture? These were competitors. These were the major competitors in the field of investment and banking in those days; these were the giants. Prior to this period they were beating their heads against each other, blood all over the battlefield fighting for dominance in the financial markets of the world. Not only in New York but London, Paris and everywhere. And here they are sitting around a table coming to an agreement of some kind. What’s going on here?”
    – G. Edward Griffin, discussing Rockefeller’s hand in starting illegal Federal Reserve

    Rockefeller Quotes
    ” No candid study of his career can lead to other conclusion than that he is victim of perhaps the ugliest of all passions, that for money, money as an end. It is not a pleasant picture…. this money-maniac secretly, patiently, eternally plotting how he may add to his wealth…. He has turned commerce to war, and honey-combed it with cruel and corrupt practices…. And he calls his great organization a benefaction, and points to his church-going and charities as proof of his righteousness. This is supreme wrong-doing cloaked by religion. There is but one name for it —hypocrisy.”
    – Ida Tarbell on John D. Rockefeller

    Rockefeller Quotes
    “We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
    – David Rockefeller to Trilateral Commission in 1991

  • If you had told people in Englad 20 years ago that before long they would be using the Euro for their major currency they would have said you were nuts. Alas sometimes the nuts are right.

    If you are not aware of the movement to start the North American Union, then I would suggest researching it. If you disagree with this concept you should become VERY vocal about it. Let people know. But then again, be prepared, they may think that you are nuts.

  • I don’t understand the persistance of the paranoid black helicopter UN fearing nutjobs. That institution, which I believe can do some good things in this world, is militarily so weak that it can’t even get a handle on small group of thugs called the Janjaweed and bring a semblance of peace to Darfur. So how is this militarily efete organization going to subdue the world’s largest nuclear power and the planet’s most heavily armed populace?

    I’ve ben impressed with Mr. Paul’s eloquence at times and the reasonable views he expressed. But then there’s his other side. He’s done enough to earn the nickname “bi-polar Paul.”

  • It’s amazing the “front runners” ducked the Values Voter debate as each of the “lesser candidates” were each asked directly on their concerns of the North American Union. And this question is now “safe” to ask? Pathetic hacks – turn of the TV for a few hours and do some research.

    Vote Ron Paul. Donote to Ron Paul.

    http://www.ronpaul2008.com

  • To Henry Adams:

    Your statements above point to the paucity of arguments of those who lock-step follow whatever pours out of establishment mouthpieces, the main sources of information for most of the be-numbed masses.
    This sort of robotic obedience is amplified by those who damn the US media for idealogical reasons while at the same time scorning any other voice with the only ammunition available to them, ridicule and insult.
    For example, try asking for details of how 911 happened and why there have been no repercussions for those whose “intelligence lapses” allowed this very questionable disaster involving four errant aircraft, one which flew unchallenged to the most protected airspace in the world and home of several airbases and strike the Pentagon, the very heart of the US defense system. Millions of Americans find the entire story hard to fathom, but the only response to trying to understand the towering pile of coincidences is the predicable taunt, “Conspiracy Freak.” They have no answers because there are none that fit the official story.

  • It’s amazing the “front runners” ducked the Values Voter debate as each of the “lesser candidates” were each asked directly on their concerns of the North American Union. And this question is now “safe” to ask? Pathetic hacks – turn off the TV for a few hours and do some research.

    Vote Ron Paul. Donate to Ron Paul.

    http://www.ronpaul2008.com

  • Ron Paul has been in service to this country for a long time in a position that gives him a much better view of what is going on than we have. He may just know somethings that we do not and with 72 years of perspective under his belt we younger and apparently more arrogant people should not be so quick to dismiss anything he says. The UN mandates have never been consistent or compatible with the ideology that founded these united States of America. Find and download the entire speech “the President and the Press” by JFK before you goto bed tonight thinking that your belief of the world is the right one and anything negative is just the musings of crackpots. You assume far to much.
    RP08

  • Wow nice propaganda hit-piece.

    The NAU doesn’t exist. The UN doesn’t exist. Let Sentra buy up all your roads. Go to sleep America. What a joke. You guys aren’t fooling anyone anymore.

  • There is no candidate in the field with whom I agree 100%, and I suspect the same applies to every reader here.

    I support Ron Paul because of his stance on anti-interventionism, civil liberties, limited government, and federalism. He is the only candidate whose message is about restoring the Constitutional vision of national government.

    I disagree with him on a few issues, the globalist conspiracies among them. I think the U.N. is corrupt, wasteful, and largely pointless, but it is also weak and only has the power we give it (the U.S. provides a significant amount of its budget). But if the U.N. and the North American Union are nothing but specters, then a Ron Paul presidency will do no harm — you can’t fight something that doesn’t exist.

    The alternative is more big government, proto-fascist socialism. This is what we will get from both the Democratic and Republican candidates.

  • My goodness. Paul sent that letter to folks who already donated and signed up for information. Don’t you know that it is standard marketing to write to your clients or potential clients in script? It is a personal touch… I got one, and loved it. I could not send anymore than my regular monthly contribution because I buy signs, leaflets, and spend gas money travel to do voter registration events and leaflet distributions, pay internet fees, entertainment costs for gatherings, and more.

    Also, some of you have clearly not ever spoken to an active Ron Paul supporter. They know more about the issues, and his platform than most other polical candidate supporters…and rarely stumble over a thing. Ask any religious right Giuliani supporter if they have ever seen him in fish-net stockings or a purple gown and wig, and if Romney or Thompson were ever pro-choice, and they are clueless.

    One reason voters don’t know other candidates positions is because they pander–changing positions based on who they are talking to. Ron Paul does not change–well, he recently announced that he is now against federal capital punishment becuase it is not justly administered and there have been too many people found falsely jailed. I am not a supporter because of the war–I am a supporter because he is the most sincere, principled elected official I have ever met. His record speaks to his ideals. He recognizes how the government takes from the mid-class and poor to give to the rich. He recognizes how the government writes unjust laws that descriminate against individuals and groups alike. He recognizes that we cannot depend on the government to take care of us–except veteran’s and there families, and those who have been promised the “safety net.”

    We must come out from behind our computers and televisions, and get to know our neighbors, our family members, and build communities where we decide how it is run. As long as we do no harm to anybody.

    There was a time when hospitals and schools were run by churches and communities donated there resources to take care of those in need. There was a time when people did not have to mortgage their homes, if they had one, for medical bills. Some procedures, and treatments are just not necessary. Everybody does not want to live to be 90, especially if they are frail, reclusive, poor, and lonely. I see how the prison industrial complex is making a fortune with tax payer funds to house and work Blacks and HIspanics for petty, non-violent crimes that are not ferderal jurisdiction. You all act like you enjoy paying income tax!!! Well you can keep paying it, and let those that want to keep their own money to build there own famillies and businesses do so.

    I cannot think of any other candidate that has 950 meetup groups, and 57,000 supporters spending their own time and money, to plan and disseminate information about the candidate–with little to NO contact with the actual campaign. The campaign does not tell any of what to do, it does not fund a thing for us.

    So, thanks Ron Paul for sending me that nice letter, in what may have been your handwriting. It was a pleasure meeting you and your lovely wife Carol in South Carolina, and I am proud to support you. Thanks for giving me the incentive to get involved, meet wonderfully smart, professional people, and get my friends and family more involved in local, state, and national politics. We cannot blame “The Man” for bad schools and crappy neighborhoods if we never go to a PTA meeting, school board meeting or city council meeting, zoning/plannign board meeting, and are not registered and active voters.

    So, all of you who think his letter was nutty—send your grandma a type-written card for mother’s day, and see if you get any money for your birthday.

    Oh, by the way–RP has just put forth a bill HR 3664 to end federal taxation and payroll taxes of tips for service industry workers. Email the House Ways and Means Committee Chair and members and email your US congressman to support the bill!

    Vote for Ron Paul is in the primary in your state! Get active!!
    Ron Paul 2008!!! http://www.ronpaul2008.com http://www.ronpaulaudio.com http://www.house.gov/paul

  • I got the same letter. While I’m not excited about some of his “fringe” “pet issues” either, he has my full support in his bid for the GOP nomintation. Why? He is the only candidate, Rep or Dem, who is willing to address the following very real, very relevant issues…

    * Immediate withdrawl of troops from Iraq (and the rest of the Mid-East)
    * Ending the insane war on drugs (medical marijuana sympathizers, are you listening?)
    * Eliminating the warfare/welfare state
    * The impending Social Security / Federal Deficit fiscal crisis
    * Eliminating (or at least drastically reducing) the Income Tax
    * A foreign policy of trade and diplomacy with all nations vs. pre-empive wars and shifting allegiances

    People are starved for a candidate willing to speak to such issues rather than trying to merely maintain the status quo and regurgitate campaign manager-approved sound bytes. This is why Ron Paul has my full support. And why, I suspect, he will continue to post “jaw dropping” fundraising results in the months ahead.

  • God help us, you mean a politician cares enough about your vote to handwrite a letter to you? But seriously, Ron Paul won my vote from the second debate, I hope he gets the Republican nomination.

  • Hmm, it’s gonna a helluva choice in November ’08. Who do I write in for effective change? Paul or LaRouche? Tough choice there…

  • Why dont you just look up the following…consulting ANY and ALL sources you wish. Google it or go to your local library and brush up on the following.

    I REPEAT: so as to avoid any “nuttiness” or slant in the information you receive…CONSULT ANY AND ALL SOURCES for the following and just make your own informed decision as to how you feel about them:

    – NAFTA “superhighway”

    – NAU (North American Union)

    – The Council on Foreign Relations/”CFR” (all current candidates in BOTH parties are members save Paul, Gravel, Kucinich- this fact alone demands that people educate themselves/decide for themselves on what this is and how they feel about it…if the vast majority of their candidates subscribe to it)

    – The Trilateral Commission

    – The “Amero”

    – The Federal Reserve (how it was started, what the founding fathers warned about having a national bank controlling money supply and maniuplating currency value)

    – “Codex Alimentarius” (VERY interesting and very unheard-of considering its potential implications…again, consult ANY and ALL sources you want on this, but LOOK.)
    * The following are links to an interesting presentation by Dr. Rima E. Laibow, M.D. on what Codex Alimentarius is, how it was created, etc.
    pt 1
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=VmrF9KjlGsc
    pt2
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=uEqB41Ow0vU
    pt3
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=fkAvFhTjU-M
    pt4
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJgHXHCNPvI
    pt5
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=GKLDRf1XdgA

    – “Law of the Seas Treaty”

    Really, just look these things up for yourself and decide how YOU feel about them before condemning anyone who expresses concern over them as “nutty” or “Unabomber-esque.”

    By the way, I find the following all extremely nutty:
    – Ignoring our CIA intelligence as to the causes of terrorism and what fuels anti-americanism abroad
    – Saber-rattling with Iran in nuclear-strike language when this country has not attacked us
    – Having no idea where Bin Laden is after 6 years
    – Leaving our borders oddly wide open and systematically REFUSING to enforce immigration laws/arrest their employers and deport dangerous felonious illegals out of the country- even though “we live in a dangerous post-911 world where we must be prepared to cede some of our civil liberties for security.”
    – Not reforming, not scaling back, not ending, but consistently spending MORE and MORE on the War on Drugs/Modern Prohibition…despite its status as a colossal failure and the fact that it bolsters and perpetuates organized crime, inner-city violence, police/political corruption, and ironically- dramatically INCREASED drug use.
    – Voting for a candidate who says he is a Republican/conservative, yet has been married 3 times, supports abortion, governed a sanctuary city and gave free education and healthcare to illegals, and favors pre-emptive war/nation-building.
    – Being expected to believe that two of the “frontrunner candidates” who identify themselves as Republicans had a sudden “change of heart” on being pro-abortion as if it was a simple “chocolate vs. vanilla” personal preference…right about when they decided to run for president.
    – Voting for alternating Republican or Democrat, media-touted candidates who are all members of the CFR…then wondering why our foreign and domestic policies hnever really substantially change.

    Those all seem very nutty to me personally. By contrast, I can forgive Paul’s “unabomber-esque” letter where he actually addresses some of these concerns- rather than bleating back the same talking points we’ve been hearing (with no significant change) for at least the past 16 years or more.

  • Boy, these guys are a long-winded bunch… it’s a nice day outside, guys. Stop fretting about the creeping One World Government and go have a picnic or something.

  • One side has fact, argumentation, logic, and ration analysis, and a lot of links to further research.

    The other side has the words “kooky,” “nutty,” “fringe,” “troofer,” and “crazy.”

    This is going to be easier than anyone ever thought possible.

  • I too got the letter and I see nothing wrong with it. It made a lot of sence.
    Ron Paul is a good man with a great message. Don’t laugh just listen.
    He will make a fine President.

  • Having skimmed much of this commentboard, I’m scared. I’m really scared. I wish there was some way to convince people that if they only accept sources that tell them what they want to hear, that’s all they’re going to get. I’m sure they’d say I’m doing the same thing, yet that doesn’t make what they’re doing any better. As usual, their theories only work if you accept the grand scheme first and then fit the facts into that afterwards.

    So far, I have yet to see any reason why a one-world government is such a bad idea. I mean, if that’s a bad idea, why should all fifty states have combined to make one nation? And why should all these cities bond with rural people and form states? And why should all these citizens combine together under a city government? And what is a neighborhood good for anyway, or families? In the end, the best form of government would seem to be individuals living by themselves with a shotgun pointed toward the only door. Then, they’ll just need to get rid of the door and life will be perfect!

    Oh, and I really liked that scary timeline al hamilton gave us. Particularly stuff like a quote from a Walter Cronkite book where he says that he thinks a world government would be a good idea. Wow, I’m convinced.

  • Lets see.. GWB thought he could get away without an official gov investigation of 9-11 HE WAS NUTS…

    Cheney thought the U.S. would be welcomed as liberators and that oil prices would go down, and oil would pay for the war… HE WAS INSANE.. & NUTS

    Rudy thinks those that are the REAL HERO’s of 9-11 the firefighters would support him… HE IS NUTS!

    Romney thinks he can say anything that is popular and his groups want to hear and he will be taken seriously… HE IS NUTS

    Hillary wants to give 5K to every child born.. SHE IS NUTS

    McCain wants to Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.. HE IS INSANE

    Obomber will nuke Iran FIRST… He is NUTS

    Huckster will steal Ron Paul’s message on the constitution and taxes…. only try and rationalize a different MEANING and then state in an interview that Ron Paul is UN-ELECTABLE..lol… HE IS NUTS!!

    I agree with 1/2 of Dr. Paul’s positions…and support his candidacy ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!!! He is THE ONLY COMPLETELY HONEST politician running for president this year… COMPLETELY HONEST.. agree or not!

    Had BUSH been telling the truth during his election, and for that matter all the times he suggested the U.S. doesn’t torture or hold folks without charges.. or practice RENDITION to torture regimes… He would have been a GOOD PREZ!!. unfortunately.. HE WAS THE BIGGEST MOONBAT THE COUNTRY HAS HAD AS A “LEADER” IN THE LAST ONE HUNDRED PLUS YEARS..All because ” I LISTENED” to what he said when he was “running” for office…

    Now I could care less what ANY candidate says… The FIRST question I want answered is… DOES THIS “CRAZY” TELL THE TRUTH AND IS THERE PROOF FOR THIS?? as for the crazy’s above… I couldn’t even answer yes to that question..

    As for Dr. Paul… after just a little research the answer was obvious..

    I vote for TRUTH AND HONESTY.. not to mention.. wisdom experience couched in a historical perspective!!

  • This is not more nutty to me than Rudy claiming that terrorists come here and attack u for our freedom, or Rudy putting New York’s emergency command center in the World Trade Center after it had been hit by terrorists, and sworn to be hit again, and he was advised not. Then he LIED and said he was advised to put it there. It seems to me Rudy is real nut. If Northe Maerican Union is a joke, then why was it reported on CNN (multiple times), and why has funding already been snuck through for it?

    Plus I received this letter and I loved it!

  • Yeah, the North American Union is just a conspiracy myth just like the European Union was a couple decades ago.

  • One of the amazing things about Ron Paul is that his supporters are in two basic categories: Newcomers who only know the few things he’s said about Iraq and civil liberties and believe him to be a closet Democrat, and crazies who don’t think Paul is making a forceful enough case against the one-world government trying to take our guns and abort our babies. I really think the more the second group talks, the less the first group will continue to support him.

    Besides, don’t they know that Ron Paul is an alien who plans to enslave us to benefit his alien race? That’s why he’s against a one-world government and gun control; he wants us divided and attacking each other, to make it easier for them to enslave us. You people can deny this all you want, but all that will prove is that you haven’t done enough research. And yes, “research” means blindly accepting the word of anyone who agrees with me; thus making it impossible for any “knowledgable” people to disagree with me.

  • “The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves.”

    “A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn’t the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn’t flat.When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic”

    (Dresden James, Author)

  • All of Ron Paul’s “nutty” ideas are posted on his website quote:
    “So called free trade deals and world governmental organizations like the International Criminal Court (ICC), NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA are a threat to our independence as a nation.”

    Just what we need is another government over our own. Bush is signing agreements with North American Union with out intervention of elected officials in congress or the United States voters. This union will have power over our own government and “we the people ” will not have any say about who will make up this council or the the new rules that they decree. If you do not believe this is happening google “North American Union” and read all the great things (sarcasm) people are saying about it.

    A lot of bad things have been happening since 9-11 and I hope that Ron Paul is elected and that he can turn back the tide…

  • God forbid somebody stand up for what it means to be a Republican. Remember Ronald Reagan said that the Libertarians are the heart and soul of what it means to be conservative. Ron Paul hasn’t said anything crazy at all, he simply speaks the truth and has a plan to correct our country.

  • Not familiar with the North American Union? We know about it in Texas. Planning for the Trans Texas Corrider is well along, a swath of highway/rail/gas/electric, an energy corridor, one mile wide. Billion dollar contracts were awarded to a Spanish company. Governor Rick Perrry has used the veto to protect it, against fierce opposition. The corridor will bring LNG from the west coast of Mexico. The highway will run to Canada. No customs until the port of entry–in Kansas. Millions of acres of land will be taken under the newly enhanced emminent domain laws.

    This thing is a Beast. It’s undemocratic, and it’s pushed by the wealthiest of the wealthy.

    Why are you trying to smear Ron Paul with it?

  • Ryan-

    “God forbid somebody stand up for what it means to be a Republican. Remember Ronald Reagan said that the Libertarians are the heart and soul of what it means to be conservative.”

    Well put.

    Which forces me to raise this question: Why do Paulists continue to bombard liberal/progressive sites such as TCR or Crooks and Liars?

    Do you expect that we don’t know that a large plank of Paul’s platform is one of radical deregulation? That we don’t know that Paul, short of supporting neocon “corporate welfare”, is as much a corporatist as Bush and Company?

    Paul has stated he would get rid of the Interstate Commerce Commission. How about the FTC, FDA, EPA? He supports dumping the Department of Energy. How long before he would dump the Department of Education?

    Once again, thank you for making the link to Reagan. Paul is the inheritor of RR’s program to completely destroy the safeguards we have in place to protect the public from the shortsighted greed of the corporations.

    BTW- Why aren’t any of you Paulists trying to charm us on this thread?

    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13141.html

  • I’m with you, Dr. Biobrain (#31). Human social evolution has agonizingly progressed from clan to tribe to city and city-state to nation to the larger alliances that now see the prospect of international cooperation on a scale that could evolve into one world government. At every stage there is resistance, in every age there are those who quake at the next inevitable step, or seek to drag humanity back to a more fragmented life. It is not a world government we should fear, but our own lack of wisdom in crafting one that is responsive to the needs of humanity. Paranoia makes a poor tool for such organization.

    Oh, and Mike: You write: If you had told people in Englad 20 years ago that before long they would be using the Euro for their major currency they would have said you were nuts. Alas sometimes the nuts are right.

    The Brits still use the pound, not the Euro. So I guess the nuts are still nuts.

  • I don’t get your point. Are you saying he’s a nut because you don’t believe these statements are true or is it because, regardless of their truth, you think they have no chance of becoming reality? You should clarify because if it’s the former, you should do more research before blogging about something. Everything in the quote you posted is technically true. Whether the people that support these initiatives will succeed or not is a different story but, if you only claim he’s nuts because you think these people won’t be successful, you should make it clear. Otherwise uninformed readers might think that there aren’t people pushing for these things.

    True paranoia would be to think that the western governments could be overtaken by radical religious movements. Thank god there are no nuts who believe that.

  • It’s people like this who are allowing the UN to do just what the letter says right under our noses.

    GO READ THEIR WEBSITE – MORONS!

  • Nh-

    Just wonderin’…what binding legislation- with teeth- has the UN ever passed without the support of the USA?

    I suspect there’s little that rises above the brisk “Tsk tsk-ing” that the US Congress recently gave to MoveOn.org.

  • Andy, by “support of the USA”, do you mean “support of US politicians”? If so, it’s a moot point. Elected memebr of the US government take an oath to uphold the Constitution. They are not allowed to violate this oath even if everyone of their constituents want them to. If they violate their oath, saying that they did it with the support of their constituents would not be a legitimate defense. The United Nations Charter and the Statute of the International Court of Justice (the 2 pieces of the UN Treaty) contain 4 specific amendments that make it unconstitutional for the US to honor it. If you’re too apathetic to find out why, let me know and I’ll post specifics for you.

    As for the North American Union, that has nothing to do with the UN. That is being driven by multiple groups from within the US, Canada and Mexico. It’s amazing to me how many blogs claim Ron Paul is nuts or crazy but don’t explain how or why they came to this conclusion. If you post a quote and say it’s crazy, explain what makes it qualify as crazy. Ad hominem works in schoolyard playgrounds but intelligent people usually thinks it mean there is no logic to back up your accusations.

  • It’s amazing to me how many blogs claim Ron Paul is nuts or crazy but don’t explain how or why they came to this conclusion,

    Just as amazing as you ignoring the fact that Ron Paul is an alien wanting to takeover the world. Why else would he support weak government? Because he wants his alien invasion to be as easy as possible. Call me crazy, but it will just show how ignorant you are to the truth

  • Franklin-

    I mean the duly elected representatives of the USA. It’s a Republic, ya know.

    And the Constitution gives the right to negotiate treaties to the executive branch, the right to ratify to the Senate and the right to interpret to the Supreme Court. This isn’t ancient Athens, for better or worse.

    chad morehouse-

    Much practice in jumping the shark?

    Links to WorldNetDaily and the CFIF? Where’s the link to The John Birch Society?

    As I pointed out in one of my earlier posts, this is a liberal/progressive blog. At least link to neutral- rather than partisan, right-wing- sites if you want to win over lefties.

  • Actually that is a Ron Paul meetup letter writing campaign, it is not a long hand letter written by Ron Paul – like he has time.

    Its called the Neighbor to Neighbor campaign and it looks like they didn’t use the correct wording. It is not an official Ron Paul campaign at all, its done by people like you and me, the lady probably thought it was from Ron Paul, but it wasn’t

  • Joe Lawson-

    So you’re saying it’s not even Paul’s handwriting? Admittedly the letter’s are facsimiles.

    Either way- whether it’s Paul himself or his overeager, unofficial campaigners- someone’s being quite disingenuous.

    I must say I’m shocked. Totally shocked…I mean, after all of these liberals who find themselves now supporting a far right libertarian like Paul, who just have to speak up at liberal web-sites, and have to do so only on threads where Paul’s name has popped up….

  • And, Joe Lawson, it’s not being, “…done by people like you and me…”.

    You, maybe, but definitely not me.

  • RE: Andy

    I mean the duly elected representatives of the USA. It’s a Republic, ya know.

    OK, that’s nice. Did I say something that implied our representatives weren’t elected? Yes, we’re a Republic (again, I’m not sure why you feel the need to state the obvious when it has nothing to do with this thread). To be more specific, we’re a Constitutional Republic which grants only enumerated powers to the Federal Government. So, the “duly elected representatives” can only act within those enumerated power regardless of what the majority of their constituents want. If their consituents want them to have additional powers, there is an amendment process that is clearly defined.

    And the Constitution gives the right to negotiate treaties to the executive branch, the right to ratify to the Senate and the right to interpret to the Supreme Court…

    Again, did I say anything that would imply I feel otherwise? Is it possible that you are now agreeing with me or that you’re replying to someone else’s post and mistakenly used my name? Otherwise, I don’t understand how your reply relates to anything I stated.

    This issue was already heard by the Supreme Court in Reid v. Covert (October 1956). The court made it very clear that:

    * Treaties do not override the U.S. Constitution.
    * Treaties cannot amend the Constitution.
    * A treaty can be nullified by a statute passed by the U.S. Congress (or by a sovereign State or States if Congress refuses to do so), when the State deems a treaty self-destructive.

    “This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty.” – Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17.

    You can download the entire ruling from thousands of locations on the web in almost any format you can imagine. If you agree that the “right to interpret” treaties is the responsibility of the Supreme Court then you’re being a hypocrite since the SCOTUS has already put forth a ruling which defines the criteria a treaty must fit to be Constitutional.

    Article 36 of the UN treaty says “The International Court of Justice shall have jurisdiction over all cases involving the interpretation of a treaty”.

    The US Constitution gives the Supreme Court judicial power over all cases involving a treaty. Article III, Section 2, of the Constitution says the Supreme Court’s judicial power shall include all cases involving three documents: The Constitution, laws of Congress passed, pursuant to the Constitution, and treaties.

    So, since the UN Treaty gives away one-third of the Supreme Court¹s judicial power, it is un-Constitutional based on the Supreme Courts ruling.

    Article 42 of the UN Treaty says “Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate, it may take action by air, sea, or land forces, as may be necessary to restore international peace and security.” Article 43 then goes on to say “All members of the United Nations… undertake to make available to the Security Council… on its call, Armed Forces, Assistance and Facilities.”

    With all your lip service to the Constitution, I’m sure you know the Constitution (in Article I Section 8) gives only Congress the power to declare war. That makes the last Constitutional war, WW2.

    If your reply was to me then I guess you’re admitting you’re too apathetic to actually find out for yourself. However, I’m only posting 2 of the specific articles in the UN Treaty which render it un-Constitutional as interpreted by the Supreme Court. This will give you a second chance to find the other two on your own.

    If you do reply, please refrain from making moot points, tellling me things I already know or anything else that doesn’t address my comments. So here’s your chance. Since the SCOTUS has already ruled that treaties can not override nor amend the Constitution (a ruling that has never been overturned) and I’ve pointed out 2 of the 4 sections of the UN treaty that directly violate the Constitution, how can you possibly defend the UN treaty as Constitutional?

  • Then, Franklin, I’m sure that someone has challenged those treaties they believe to be Unconstitutional in court, right? Because the SCOTUS doesn’t rule on the Constitutionality of any law or treaty unless someone first challenges that law or treaty in court, iirc.

  • The North American Union Ron Paul spoke about is the Security and Prosperity Partnership – http://www.spp.gov which Bush put into the works over two years ago with Fox of Mexico and Martin, Prime Minister of Canada. It is a disaster that cannot be defended. The NASCO Corridor is another piece of it. This project will form a NAFTA superhighway cutting through the US from Mexico to Canada. Dig around, use google news, check this out for yourself.

  • Ron Paul is a nut, but I suppose the founding fathers and American revolutionaries were nuts too. And anyone whoever changed the world for the better was a nut.
    Thoreau said to be great is to be misunderstood. Ron Paul is great, not just another dishonest politician. He may be the only true statesman in Washington.

  • Andy K:

    I’m sorry i did not realise that http://www.house.gov was a right wing site, is there some kind of a spreadsheet you have that lists which sites are acceptable reading for leftwing readers, personally i read everything and come to my own conclusions.

    if you really wanted to find the facts on any of these topics you can just google UN gun confiscation or “Global tax” and read whatever comes up.

    basically the original article says that ron paul is crazy because he sent a letter stating that the un wants to implement a global tax, confiscate weapons and some other people want to create a north american union. any article i post that validates all of these points will automatically be deemed as Right wing propaganda or whatever….. so basically your ignoring reality, who is the insane person again?

  • The only thing more annoying than fundamentalist Christians, is fundamentalist Ron-Paul-ies spamming the shit out of the whole internet with Ron Paul campaign propoganda.

    Come on, people, get a grip. The UN? Sorry, the greatest danger to American sovereignity and the hunan (not just American) way of life, are global multinational corporations. They actually have power. And money. And Ron Paul and the libertarians would give those corporations a free hand to take over everything and everyone. In case you don’t know, corporations are undemocratic oligarchies or dictatorships. You don’t want them running the planet.

    The U.N. is a federation of world governments designed to prevent WWIII by providing a forum for those governments to debate and negotiate openly and peacefully. For 60 years, it’s done a good job of it. World peace is a good thing, far from being a threat to you, it’s essential to your safety and security.

    The thing about right wingers is that they are so paranoid about the U.N., they don’t see that it is the tail, not the dog.

  • And then we’re reminded, in print, that when it comes to a paranoid vision of the world, Paul really is out there on the political periphery.

    It would be nice if the author of this hit-piece had the guts to use a by-line. Throws a rock from behind a fence. Cool.

    Here’s the scoop. When Ron Paul talks about the ruling elites, he’s not just whistling Dixie. Since 1919 the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has successfully steered us in to GATT, NAFDA, NATO, the WTO and the likely North American Union. (Dubious, search YouTube and you will see a policy write for the CFR talk about his plan for the partnership of the U.S., Mexico and Canada). This is on track for 2010, by the way.

    The CFR, under the steady hand of David Rockefeller, Dick Cheney, Henry Kissenger, is as elitist as they come. Every president has been a member, as well as members of the media and most candidates for president. Here is a partial list: Bill & Hillary Clinton, George Bush I, II, Fred Thompson, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Joe Biden, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Christopher Dodd, Trent Lott, Rupert Murdoch, Brit Hume, Diane Sawywer, Chris Matthews, Chris Wallace, Tim Russert, George Stephanopolous, and about 4,500 more.

    It is worth investigating the behind-the-scenes influence of the Council as well as its ties to: The Tavistock Institute, The Royal Institute for International Affairs and the Aspen Institute (the Council of 300 US headquarters). Officially, these organizations are called “think tanks” just as, officially, the Corleone family is in the olive oil business.

    There is a great deal of information on the Council on Foreign Relations and their plan for a one world government. They are winning. And, if the anonymous author of this piece had done his homework he would know that.

    Oh wait. He may be a CFR member also. No surprise.

  • Um, i did not mean to imply that the un is trying to take over the world or this country, i was merely pointing out that the issues ron paul had mentioned in his letter were not crazy conspiracy theories.

  • Who to believe, some zit faced hack wanna be reporter, or a man who has been in congress for the last 20 years and might just know alittle something we don’t….Hmmmmmm….

  • Ron Paul is crazy! How could he suggest there is an international conspiracy to whittle away national sovereignty and usher in a world government!?

    Oh wait..

    Rockefeller Quotes
    “Some even believe we (Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

    Oh wait..

    The Republican party has recently changed the New Hampshire and New York primaries from open ones to close ones, in order to prevent Ron Paul from getting the independent and democrat vote. The deadline for registration is set for October 12th giving the Ron Paul campaign very little time to get RP supporters who are independent or Democrat to change their registristation to Republican. This move was done by the Republican party solely to try to keep Ron Paul from winning. This is like the chairman of the Michigan Republican party, Saul Anuzis, trying to keep Ron Paul out of the debates (luckily he failed).

  • I don’t know if there is a concerted effort by elites to create a political union in North America or if there is not. I’m not sure you could prove it either way.

    Is there some antikookiness pill that I could take so I could have absolute certainty about what the truth as the author appears to have?

    Sounds like a blissful state to know everything about our political landscape with exact certainty.

  • If Steve Benen wrote this lame article, then Steve Benen is drinking some powerful Rudy-koolaid. Does Steve also support anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-queer policy?

  • Goat Chowder,

    My understanding is that Libertarians are anti-corporation/corporate power as well. Corporations are creatures of the state…they all have charters and government granted permission to exist.

    The libertarian position is that no entity (like a corporation) should have more rights than an individual. I don’t understand why people talk about corporate power when challenging libertarianism. Corporate oligarchy is just as bad as government based oligarchy (although I have never seen a system which is not a symbiotic combination of the two).

    Freedom isn’t so bad. There is no reason to fear it.

  • Andy K,

    What’s with all of the “get out of my club house!” comments I read from people on left or progressive blogs?

    Is there an initiation? Can I pay dues somewhere?

    Thought the point of blog communication was to dialogue and learn something.

    Didn’t mean to interrupt the choir practice..ya’ll get back to singing one another.

  • The writer of this article is a douche bag. Ron Paul is a defender of the Bill of Rights and a champion of the Constitution…what is so nutty about that? Whoever is voted in as President will have to take an oath to uphold the Constitution. Ron Paul is the only candidate on both sides who is serious about that oath. Do research on the UN before writing an article too. It’s funny how this person will defend the actions of the UN before they would defend a Congressman who is running for President. I guess the UN only wants to do good for American people and they love us and our rights. If only that were true. Ron Paul loves our rights and wants good things for us. Get your priorities straight. Defend your common man for the sake of yourself. Some day you may need us to defend you.
    They only use the Ron Paul topic to get traffic on their site and to get a lot of comments. Get a partner and go out and do something.

  • Sometimes, the state of paranoia is the state of being more aware. As has been shown by many writers, a pattern of events can be construed to mean various things. There is imperfect knowledge about these events, so the conclusions vary. Why is this paranoid or nutty, because it does not conform to someone’s ideal, static worldview? Because it might reveal that groups or governments are conspiring together?
    Nuttiness is the state of being unable to cope with possible exceptions to one’s worldview. It is a failure to accept what may exist. It can breed irrationality, a failure to accept reality.
    Ron Paul’s out-of-the-mainstream positions (many of which are interesting ideas) and the viewpoints of his supporters (some strange, but not improbable) are not what concern me most. Rather it is the inability of some to question contradictions to their worldviews. Such a rigid mental state often reflects lack of awareness, an inability to question, and the passive acceptance of a singular, unchanging worldview, regardless of new information to the contrary.

  • Holy cow!!! CB, you must have “netted” (and nettled ) at least half of the nation’s Paul supporters today. I wonder where our resident “Paulist” (JKap) is, though; I miss him.

  • When my father died 3 years ago, there are certain things he said that have stuck in my head, please read because they are very true:

    1. Nothing stays the same except death and taxes.

    2. Don’t sweat the small stuff because really, it’s all small in the scheme of life.

    3. A poor man is crazy, a rich man is excentric!

    So I say to you. If Ron Paul is crazy, is it because he only has 5MIll compared to the other 3?
    Ronald Reagan supported soveireignty, was he crazy? No.

    – A registered & informed Republican for Ron Paul

  • Hey stupid – F*&^% here in Minnesota we are not allowed to smoke in any bar or eating establishment as of last week. Oh, wait i almost forgot you can still smoke at the casinos because they (the reservations) are considered to be a “SOVEREIGN” nation!!! What happend to this fu^%^%^g country?!?!?!? Russia here i come!!!!

  • Again, the only defense that the opponents of Dr. Paul is smear. They never have any substance to their arguments. Please present some facts or references. Are you telling us there is no proposal for a NAU? Then show us the proof.

  • If you want to hear one of the best presidential speeches in decades, I suggest you take a look at Ron Paul’s speech yesterday in Nashville, in front of 1500 people. It speaks for itself.
    Go on Youtube and search for Ron Paul Nashville Rally

  • Mike Stamper says:

    Ron Paul is a traditional conservative, not a neoconservative. That doesn’t make him a “nut”. We are fortunate that at least one Republican is standing up against the war and the insane argument that America has a duty to bankrupt itself in pursuit of forcing the rest of the world to be “free”. We currently have a President who claims that God talks to him and orders him to bomb people. What could be nuttier than that? This country is practically a police state when compared to pre-9/11 America. Who would have thought that we would ever live under a government that routinely tortures people, imprisons without trial, monitors our every move, and asserts that we are in a perpetual war against a stateless “enemy”? What I find insane is that any Republican could run on the record of the last eight years. No President has done more to destroy America than George W. Bush.

    You can argue about Ron Paul’s domestic policy positions. However, on foreign policy and civil liberties he is our best hope.

  • what a hoot. if i’m a Rethug campaign operative, on the late afternoon of caucus night in Iowa, i’ll set up a hundred web sites and set up anti-Paul flares on RSS feeds and all of the Ron Paul blogspammers will go into a frenzy trying to overwhelm the unconverted and miss the caucuses.

    does this guy use the John Birch society mailing list of what? What a bunch of tin foil hatties. newsflash for the NAFTA Corridor crazies: Interstate 80 has run from Canada to Mexico for pretty well all of my lifetime. Apparently it is only a major threat to our very national identity if it is more than 4 lanes wide? And John Birch has been yelping about the “trilateral commission” since the late 60s. Somehow our nation has survived. these issues and their ardent followers appear to be like the 17-year Cicadas. but man can be entertaining to give the ol chain a pull. . . i bet with this little refresher we can still get this thread to 100 posts!

    Ready. . . Set. . . Duck, its a black helicopter!

  • To all the Paulites who like to make a ruckus here: how often do you go to right-wing sites and spread your message there? Go ahead and and try to convince redstate or WND that international corporations are the enemy of the US.

    And while we’re at it, if big businesses are such a threat to the country, what exactly do you think the effect of rolling back to EPA, FTC, etc. etc. will have? Eliminating those would be the wildest wet dream of the ultra-wealthy.

    I find it telling that Ron Paul is running as a Republican.

  • Okay, I give up. You Paulists got it right.

    The black helicopters are coming for us….US, not you…and they’re taking us to amusement parks that the UN forced us to build. There will be endless buffets- check out the ice cream sundae bar- and we’ll never have to work again. We can ride the roller coasters as often as we’d like. We all get FastPass- for free! And the sex….

  • GO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL! GOD BLESS RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2008!

    I’m a 48 year old grandfather who’s greatly appreciating the Ron Paul Presidential campaign! The BIGGER story however is, that Ron Paul has $5.3M cash on hand and that he’s NOT going to take matching funds! Most political experts est. the Ron Paul ever rapidly growing grass-roots volunteer army of 50,000+ to be worth the equivalent of $10M+ per month in campaign contributions! SO WAKE UP NEOCONS & WAR MONGERS! America is sick and tired of “BIG BROTHER” government breathing down our necks and getting us involved in no-win, unconstitionally, undeclared “military-industrial” growth wars in the middle east, plus the 130 other countries we have a presence in at the taxpayers expense of $1 TRILLION per year! I personally loathe working 5 months out of the year to pay my income tax obligation that’s earmarked 100% for the “interest-only” payment on the $10 TRILLION National debt to the “ultra-private” Federal Reserve Banking Cartel! Of course, I detest our current “pack of beaurocrats” who are spending our tax dollars like “junkies waiting for their next fix!” I am however, extremely delighted as to the way Ron Paul has shown his frugal fiscal responsibility regarding his own personal campaign – Let’s compare that with ANY other presidential candidates finances and review their “donations vs. expenditures” ratios? Then ask yourself this important question – Who do you really want running our economy for the next 4-8 years? A fiscal conservative who thinks our dollars should be backed by something other than printing money out of “thin air” and who would replace the dreaded “Income Tax” with NOTHING! Or just the same ‘ole same ‘ole …btw…FYI to MSM a point of clarification … In the United States, non-interventionism has often been confused with Isolationism. Critics of non-interventionism frequently add to this confusion by smearing prominent non-interventionist as isolationists. However, true isolationism combines a non-interventionist foreign policy with protectionism (economic nationalism) and strict border controls to prevent international travel and cultural exchange. The majority non-interventionists in the United States reject protectionism in favor of free trade, international travel, and cultural exchange. YES, Ron Paul is a NON-INTERVENTIONIST! Please for God Sake learn the difference, unless you’re intentially misleading or smearing Ron Paul. Also, while I’m on a roll – The term “Long Shot” for Ron Paul can gracefully be discarded into the compost pile of media bias and propaganda. Folks, this may be our last chance … The choice is YOURS! … GOOGLE Ron Paul for yourself and get the WHOLE story on the man many believe to be an American Hero!!!

    Best Ron Paul video – (Reply: WRONG!?Best Presidential Candidacy Video EVER!!!)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ%5B/url%5D

    “None are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
    — Goethe

  • Is Ron Paul too nutty — or not nutty enough?

    He is not nutty enough to suspend the Constitution. He is not nutty enough to launch an illegal, unconstitutional war. He is not nutty enough to commit torture. He is not nutty enough to advocate a nuclear attack.

  • Wow, that sounds pretty sane, Joe. After the unmitigated disaster of the Bush Cabal, America needs a doctor, Dr. Ron Paul.

  • The author comes across as the nut–unibomberesque? Does the truth hurt that much? It wouldn’t hurt to actually _check_out_ those claims, as they’re verifiably true.

  • It amazes me how “principles” can be misinterpreted as “nutty”, “utopian”, “fringe”, “outdated”, “unrealistic” or anything of that character.

    Barry Goldwater once said: “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”

    Godspeed Ron Paul!

  • Dr. Ron Paul is the only candidate that actually honors his oath of office and desires to return true governmental accountability.

    The crazy thing would be to not support this type of statesman due to the anti-freedom U.N.

  • Ok, so this is where we are.

    1. If you support Ron Paul then the right and left hate you.

    2. If you believe that both parties suck and are full of morons who have nothing better to do than trash the other side you are right.

    3. We can talk to some of these guys for days about how our governments restriction creates multinational monolithic corporations and stifles any competition. You can tell them that this leads to no bid contracts and corporatism and companies like haliburton. It won’t help. They are stuck, just as bad as the neocons and bushies. They’ve been duped into believing one party is good and another is bad.

    4. When you talk about cutting government agencies liberals will fall over each other to defend bush (wtf i know!) and righties will abandon their lovefest with Reagan in an instant. For instance, Dr. Paul gets trashed when he talks about cutting the dept. of education. Just look at how well they did with “no child left behind”.

    5. Arguing with anyone dumb enough to feel they are represented by either party well will get you nowhere.

    6. To the average person here a coalition of politicians, journalist, bankers, and the much loved (at least on this site) multinational corporate C.E.O’s isn’t very suspicious. They probrably all have linedancing practice and bake cookies before discussing Oprah’s latest bookclub entry. A north american union later forming into a one world government is great as long as whatever party that person likes will be in power.

    7. Here at carpetbagger only fiscal and social liberals are correct and Ron Paul is either evil or nuts because he’s a republican. At redstate only fiscal and social conservatives are correct and Ron Paul is an ultra liberal moonbat.

    P.S. Please do not place Ron Paul’s name on any more homophobic posts. This is not his position and that slanders him. He has stated many times that government has no place in deciding who can marry whom. The government has no place in people’s bedrooms. Marriage is a religous institution and the government shall make no law determining which religon’s version of marriage they support. Marriage is a private contract and should be called whatever the people in the contract wish to call it. Homosexuals deserve equal treatment and benefits as any other individual under the law.

  • If Ron Paul says it, it’s “nuttiness”, but what if it’s readily available on the UN’s own website? http://www.un.org specifically outlines all of their various attempts to position themselves as a global taxing agency, as well as their campaign to rid the world of small arms.

  • I don’t understand why lefties don’t like Ron Paul. He wants to fix Social Security by allowing options for young people, not dismantle it for those that have paid in their whole lives. He wants to end the War in Iraq and avoid other wars by using diplomacy, fair trade, and culturalism. He wants to end corporate subsidies and corporate welfare, and his donations come from individuals, not companies. He wants the government out of people’s lives, a major civil libertarian. He wants legal, peaceful immigration. He wants to eliminate the private Federal Reserve thus ending the inflation tax that hurts the middle class and poor the most. He defends the First Amendment (and all the others, too!)

    I don’t understand why righties don’t like Ron Paul. He wants a sovereign United States not subject to UN, NAU, or NAFTA unelected governance. He wants free market solutions to major economic problems (not tax and spend government waste programs). He wants to cut unnecessary spending, thus eliminating the income tax that prevents all Americans from spending that % of their earnings as they see fit. He wants to eliminate duplicitous federal programs (each state already has a Dept of Education) so states can decide what is best for them dependent on their problems. He wants border security. He receives more military campaign contributions than all other candidates and will use the military to defend OUR borders, not those of other countries. He defends the Second Amendment (and all the others, too!)

    I don’t understand why Independents and those untrusting of the two major parties and of big mommy and daddy government don’t like Ron Paul. He runs as a Republican (so he can participate in debates) but criticizes them for their lack of faith to their core principles of fiscal responsibility and freedom. He has a track record of being easy to work with in Congress, yet only votes for or introduces Constitutional legislation. He will not abuse his power, in fact, he aims to roll back Executive Powers that have been usurped from Congress to prevent future presidents from abusing those powers. He requires a Congressional Declaration of War before fighting one. He wants to catch Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. He would issue Letters of Marque and Reprisal to catch stateless terrorists. He voted against the Patriot Act and Iraq War as they are both unconstitutional. He has actually read the 9/11 Commission Report and understands “blowback” is a natural result of aggressive militaristic foreign policy. He defends the 10th Amendment (and all the others, too!

    Are any of those things crazy? They sound quite rational to me. Some of them would be difficult, but none are impossible. Think about what you could do with the money you pay in income taxes each year that would be in your pocket (the income tax is interest on the national debt that can be paid off with reduced federal spending; other taxes pay for roads, bridges, government employees, etc). Buy your own health insurance if you don’t have any? Contribute to charities you respect that are more efficient (70-95% of funds direct to needy – Red Cross…) than government programs (30% direct to needy, 70% wasted on bureacrats – FEMA…)? Invest in your family’s future? Retirement? Vacation? Solar panels on your house? New tires on your car? Start a business?

  • Hi Steve,

    Thanks for your post noted by Brendan Nyhan. Allow me to share a few points which were not discussed in this original post. It’s clear to me and others who follow congress as well as Paul’s campaign that Paul is on target with his information.

    Congress just debated H.C.R. 40 titled “Expressing the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of the North American Free Trade Agreement Superhighway system or enter into a North American Union with Mexico and Canada” I would suggest anyone who questions Paul on this issue study the issues presented in congress…. If the North American Union was a conspiracy then why would congress seek an up or down vote?

    In regard to the UN to confiscate firearms: I have a UN film called “Armed to the Teeth” the film supports the only use of guns should be used by the police and armies and should be the only legal means of gun ownership. Yes, that is correct it’s an actual UN film.

    Additionally, I think the report was dated June, 1999 or July 99 either way the UN “Small Arms” report stated gun control in many nations, including weapons destruction and turn-in programs should be in enforced to disarm the civilian population in Somalia, Kosovo and other nations…. I have the report I just can’t locate it at the moment. If you are really seeking the facts then just study for a short time the UN’s role for total gun control in Australia

    You must understand as our leadership trusts the UN with more powers our ability to arm our citizen population is under threat. It will not happen over night but it’s slowly being challenged.

    Ron Paul as any member of congress has taken an oath to defend the constitution against foreign and domestic threats. He is simply maintaining his oath to office to discuss topics which threatean our nation from within and abroad.

    Steve, if needed I can mail you a copy of my UN documents and I can make sure you see the UN movie if needed. The copy I have is an actual film so if you promise to expose this issue I will send it to a video source who can transform the tape into a digital format. I don’t know how long it will take to meet this request but I should have done this years ago. I think it should be seen by everyone.

    In closing I feel certain the details I have presented should be more then enough to dispel Brendan Nylan’s concerns.

    Please let me know how if you would like the information I have offered.

    Live well,

    D Long

  • The concerns about the North American Union has been approached by reporters like Lou Dobbs. But few are brave enough to confront the issue. It is not a fringe issue or a conspiracy theory. Ron Paul is the only candidate who is fighting to secure our individual liberties in opposition to the special interests and socials elites.

  • I couldn’t understand some parts of this article Paul puts his nuttiness in print – The Carpetbagger Report, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.

  • As a follow up to the “nutty views” of Ron Paul: Everything the good Dr. says is true and verifiable with a little homework. He is very well informed on the North American Union as they are putting the freeways from Mexico to Canada through his state already. Bush signed an agreement in 2005 with the prime minister of Canada and then Mexican president Fox called the SPP or Security and Prosperity Partnership act which is going to unite Canada with America and Mexico. You can see it at http://www.spp.gov/ . Not only will this erase our borders, we will be sharing a common currency they are calling the Amero. You can read more here: http://www.amerocurrency.com/amero.html . So just because you’re not paranoid doesn’t mean it’s not happening! It’s time for all of us to find out the truth for ourselves and not listen to the “talking heads”.

  • Obama’s

    “The main purpose of the (CFR) is promoting the disarmament of US sovereignty and national dependence and submergence into and all powerful, one world government.”

    Hmmm…. Seems CFR and it’s Un-American members goals sound “NUTTY” & “COMMUNISTIC” to me.

    “SCARY!”

  • When do you think the Feds will implement the Amero currency?
    Do you think the Amero will be just as worthless as the current dollar? Do you think things will be far worse if they do bring in the Amero?

    What things can we expect to see (economy, society, housing, food, energy, foreign relations ect..) when they do bring in the Amero?

    If I were you I would start buying gold and silver coins which I am.
    Because those coins will be worth more than the dollar and the Amero.

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