Rove, presidential legacies, and the ‘Bush doctrine’

Karl Rove was at the University of Arkansas yesterday, addressing various aspects of Bush’s presidency. When he wasn’t wildly mischaracterizing the record regarding U.S. Attorneys, Rove touched on Bush’s “legacy.”

[Rove] said that the biggest Bush legacy will be what he terms the “Bush doctrine.” It “says if you train a terrorist, harbor a terrorist, feed a terrorist, you will be treated like a terrorist yourself. And then the corollary of that, which is that we will not wait until dangers fully materialize before taking action.”

Wait, the “Bush doctrine” is still a serious concept at the White House? Weren’t “serious” people supposed to have given up on such nonsense years ago?

As long as Rove is still emphasizing this as the key to the Bush legacy, we might as well take a moment to consider how wrong he is. For one thing, the White House has generally struggled to define exactly what the “Bush doctrine” is.

It started as the “with us or against us” policy. When that proved ineffectual as a standard for shaping policy — we show tolerance for harboring nations all the time — the doctrine shifted into a preemption principle that empowered Bush to wage war against countries, whether they’re a threat or not, based solely on the idea that they might someday be a threat. When that doctrine was left in shreds, Bush used his second inaugural to roll out a third doctrine to replace the first two: we’re not only defending democracies, we’re committed to creating them around the globe (a concept, I might add, that Bush has never actually taken seriously).

In this context, Rove’s notion that the “Bush Doctrine” will be the president’s legacy seems misguided, unless Rove believes “we’re making this up as we go along” is an admirable principle of effective government.

Indeed, Dan Froomkin declared Rove’s idea of the “doctrine” dead a year ago.

How can Bush still argue for attacking another country based on his suspicions about their intentions — when the first time he tried it, his public case turned out to be so utterly specious?

The idea that the American public or the international community would tolerate such behavior once again seems highly unlikely at this point in time. The American people, for one, won’t be keen on putting troops in harm’s way again on spec anytime soon.

Winning support for the application of a doctrine of preemption requires enormous credibility. It requires public trust in intelligence and motives. And that trust isn’t there. […]

In fact, the more we know about the run-up to war in Iraq, the more evidence there is that the doctrine of preemption (and the cherry-picking and manipulation of intelligence used to make the case for it) was just a pretext for an invasion that Bush and his top aides had already decided on for other reasons.

That’s the funny thing about foreign policy doctrines — they’re supposed to be applicable. Considering what Rove said in Arkansas yesterday, it sounds like even Bush doesn’t embrace the Bush doctrine. Pakistan, for example, has looked the other way as al Qaeda re-established control of their terror network, creating training camps on Pakistani soil. Bush, meanwhile, continues to treat Pakistan as an ally. For that matter, the White House has decided that pragmatic negotiations with Iran and Syria might not be such a bad idea after all. Who, exactly, is Bush “treating like a terrorist”?

If this is Rove’s idea of Bush’s greatest lasting legacy, Bush’s place in history is secure — at the bottom.

I am afraid these guys are still looking for justification to attack Iran. They need the Bush Doctrine to further their neo-con agenda. That might not make sense to those of us in the reality based community, but they aren’t constrained by such limitations.

  • To say that Bush has a doctrine is like saying a roach has a particular theory and approach regarding financial investments. Bush doesn’t have doctrines, just vague and momentary “gut feelings.”

  • Bush’s doctrine in a nutshell use power to extort more power-
    Exploit and feed the threats of terror to enhance the “unitary”powers of the presidency to create a functional dictatorship which can then impose even more repressive unitary powers.

  • I think Bush’s legacy is that people all around the world love him and what he stands for… Just take a look at these great pictures from Brazil, I haven’t seen such a big fan following since Beatlemania…

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6433977.stm

    Now why are Brazilian’s such huge Bush/daSilva fans? Probably because of the extremely high wages they get in the Ethanol industry:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2029908,00.html

  • Bush’s legacy is “Don’t be a fuckup.” Bush being the object-lesson.

    And don’t have two conniving detail-oriented ideologues as your domestic advisor and your foreign advisor. Rove and Cheney being object-lessons.

  • I thought “with us or against us” was an ad campaign, sort of like the Geiko gecko or “I can’t believe I ate the whole thing.” You run it for a while, and then it gets old and you roll out something new, like “stay the course.”

    But if we’re talking legacy material, I’d look toward those things that are uniquely Bush, like “putting food on your family,” OB/GYNs who “aren’t able to practice their love with women all over the country,” etc. Bushisms will surely stand the test of time, entertaining generations to come and providing the best possible example to young people of why it’s important to pay attention in school.

    Then again, he’s set high water marks for lying, misleading, disregarding the constitution, violating international agreements, incompetence at every turn, signing statements…

    Geez. In the end, Bush may have the greatest legacy of all!

  • For someone doing damage control, Karl’s pretty pathetic. Wasn’t Bush’s legacy supposed to be a new Middle East? Democracy flourishing among the minarets and oil derricks? Weren’t we supposed to have witnessed the “Mecca Spring” by now where Western ideas should have triumphed over the darkness of arabic-speeaking strongmen like Saddam and Assad? So now Karl is having to settle for Bush’s legacy to the world being the trite John Wayne-ism “You’re with us or against us?’ How far the mighty ideologies have fallen.

    No, Bush’s legacy will continue to be that of the president who tried to take this nation into the closest thing it has had to an outright religious dictatorship. And as that, Bush will go down as one of the lesser dictators in history. But Karl is right that history will rewrite what we now believe to be true about this administration … as soon as all the tawdry documents have been declassified.

  • The Bush Doctrine in a Nutshell:

    1 If it is working – Fuck it up.
    2 If it is fucked up – Fuck it up harder.
    3 If you have an opportunity to tell the truth – Lie.
    4 If you are called a liar – Lie again.
    5 If you have an ally – Make him an enemy.
    6 If you have an enemy – Make him stronger.
    7 If it ain’t nailed down – Steal it.
    8 If it is nailed down – Go after the guy with the hammer.

    Repeat until 2009.

    Here by the way is how the Bush Doctrine (as presented by Rove last night) has played out in real life:

    “Shortly after the men were captured, the Justice Department warned Northrop Grumman against sending backpacks of sneakers, medication and other items to the hostages, according to several people familiar with the conversations. The government cautioned that if the items ended up in the hands of the rebels, it would violate the USA Patriot Act’s ban on providing material support to terrorists, the people said.

    [http://tinyurl.com/2bqdzz]

    Emphasis mine.

    This is from a story about three NG workers who were captured by FARC in Columbia. Makes sense don’t it? If your people fall into the hands of unpleasant people…don’t help them! Maybe this explains why the soldiers in Iraq and Afghaniwherever have been shorted on equipment. You can’t risk the enemy getting his hands on decent body armour!

  • The Bush Docterine will be appoint your political hack friends and expect themt to live down to their level of incompetence.

  • What Rove is really saying is that one should always operate on two levels. That “appearance” and “action” need not have the same dialog. What Bush has actually done and what he “says” he has done don’t agree. The image he presents is the one he expects you to believe and the one used to cover what is actually done. Remove what is said and look only at what has happened and that is the true legacy. The hundreds of thousands dead because of Bush point the way.

  • i’m still howling over those pix from Brazil.

    first of all … i’ve always wondered (well … not really … the following would require the practise of journalism) why no one has ever called bush on the pass he gave to pakistan’s khan … who pretty much confessed to selling wmd’s to terrorists. he’s confined to some kind of probationary house arrest on a 10000 acre seaside villa for his crimes … while the ‘bush doctrine’ (more laughter) should have required the stupid boy to go after khan and hang him in odessa, texas .. no ?

    and secondly … speaking of legacy … (and that photo) … i’ve had a standing discussion with thoughtful friends of mine for a few years now. where does bush rank ALL TIME as
    far as dangerous, criminal monster-dictators go ? i have him in third place, with a bullet, behind hitler and stalin .. he hasn’t killed the raw number of people that the first two did, but given the rate of slaughter in iraq — (everyone of which is blood on his hands, fyi, he may be able to pass one of those two monsters in a decade or two).

    thoughts ?

  • I see I’m far from the first to suggest some accurate doctrines that deserve the label “Bush Doctrine”. I would suggest that, above all else (all of which suggested so far he’s pretty consistent), the Bush Doctrine would be the concept of politics above everything else. “If it results in increased wealth/power for your party/self, do it, no matter how outrageous, illegal, or immoral.”

  • ***Who, exactly, is Bush “treating like a terrorist”?***

    Ummm…anyone with the courage to disagree with him—specifically, American citizens. NOW can I declare war on the Grand Chimp-Ah?

  • Rove is an idiot, and he’s the “smart” one in this crowd. He’s been working double overtime to flush his image since before the 2006 midterms.

    Bush needs a new brain.

  • If this is part of the Bush doctrine“says if you train a terrorist, harbor a terrorist, feed a terrorist, you will be treated like a terrorist yourself.” why then is Rumsfeld on the street?

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