Rove tees off on ‘nutty’ bloggers

Karl Rove may no longer be wreaking havoc in the West Wing, but he’s still managing to make provocative political comments. Yesterday, for example, during a speech about politics and the web in DC, the man the president affectionately calls “Turd Blossom” lamented the “angry and vitriolic people” who now have “a voice in public discourse” thanks to the Internet.

“People in the past who have been on the nutty fringe of political life, who were more or less voiceless, have now been given an inexpensive and easily accessible soapbox, a blog,” Mr. Rove said…. “I’m a fan of many blogs. I visit them frequently and I learn a lot from them. But there also blogs written by angry kooks.”

Mr. Rove cited the results of a study that found that writers and commenters on liberal blogs such as DailyKos.com cursed far more than writers and commenters on conservative Web sites such as FreeRepublic.com.

“My point is not that liberals swear publicly more often than conservatives. That may be true, but that’s not my point,” Mr. Rove said. “It is that the netroots often argue from anger rather than reason, and too often, their object is personal release, not political persuasion.”

Rove concluded that we may actually even be undermining democracy, because “the dark side of the Web can actually turn off voters.”

It’s hard to know where to start with analysis that’s this inane, but let’s offer a non-kooky, non-nutty assessment of his misguided criticism.

First, the notion that major liberal political blogs are somehow embracing “fringe” ideas is silly. The netroots are broad and diverse, but the vast majority of the leading sites offer ideas that enjoy broad support with the American public.

Or, put another way, liberal blogs are pretty mainstream. Support for Rove’s former boss, however, that’s on the fringe on political life.

Second, if Rove is really worried about “angry kooks,” I can think of several dozen conservatives who fit the description. They’re all big fans of Rove.

Third, if profanity is a genuine concern about the quality of our discourse, perhaps Rove can comment on Dick Cheney’s decision to tell Pat Leahy to “go f*** himself,” and then refusing to apologize for it.

Fourth, it’s ironic that Rove is whining about arguing “from anger rather than reason,” given that it was Rove himself who insisted publicly that liberals in America are literally treasonous.

As for the notion that somehow blogs are responsible for turning people away from the political process, we have a long way to go before we catch up to the anti-democratic, sleazy tactics of Karl Rove.

* When Bush ran against Democratic Texas governor Ann Richards in 1994, Rove was connected to a rumor that Richards was a lesbian.

* A former Rove staffer said that during the 1996 Alabama Supreme Court race, the campaign of Harold See — run by Rove — “initiated a whisper campaign” that See’s opponent “was a pedophile.”

* “Political operatives” have charged that Rove orchestrated a “widely disseminated rumor that John McCain, tortured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, had betrayed his country under interrogation and been rendered mentally unfit for office.”

Rove concluded that he hopes liberal blogs keep doing what we’re doing because, he said, we help Republicans.

I’d like to test that theory.

Fuck off Mr. Chen… er Rove

  • yes, because karl rove is the epitome of civility in american politics:

    Inside, Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. “We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!”As a reporter, you get around—curse words, anger, passionate intensity are not notable events—but the ferocity, the bellicosity, the violent imputations were, well, shocking. This went on without a break for a minute or two. Then the aide slipped out looking a bit ashen, and Rove, his face ruddy from the exertions of the past few moments, looked at me and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. “Come on in.”

    http://www.ronsuskind.com/newsite/articles/archives/000032.html

  • Rove is pretty transparent. Daily Kos is the biggest and most influential progressive blog. So if he can make it radioactive he will have struck a blow to the progressive movement. With Rove, you must always look for his ulterior motive.

  • “Mr. Rove cited the results of a study that found that writers and commenters on liberal blogs such as DailyKos.com cursed far more than writers and commenters on conservative Web sites such as FreeRepublic.com.”

    Of course, but he also failed to mention that even though we may swear more at least we aren’t the type who post death threats to public officials or mail talcum powder in the mail to various folks including Jon Stewart unlike some of the chaste pure freepers.

  • Free Republic deletes comments they don’t like, they delete profanity and anti Neocon, Right Wing comments.

    Free Republic doesn’t believe in Free Speach.

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  • Ever notice how the right just loves to project all of their shortcomings onto the left? Start a treasonous war? No problem, call your opponents traitors. Create an air of incivility in politics? No problem, blame your opponents for it. Rave in unabashed vitriol at the left? No problem, accuse the left of doing it. Have no real policies to deal with the nations problems? No problem, call the Democrats “do nothing”…. Are we seeing a pattern here?

  • Rove truly is a “turd blossom” and wears the monicker as a badge of honor. Dick Cheney reportedly loves the appellation “Darth Vader”. These horrible, harmful, shameless equine hind quarters acknowledge with a wink how nasty and vile they are and then rage when the obvious is pointed out. In some ways I wish I’d been born with that gene. I’d have gone much further. I don’t know how I’d have been able to live with myself, but maybe the additional money would have assuaged any pangs of guilt.

  • Clever or clueless?

    When it comes to the utter hypocrisy of anyone who is or was part of the Bush Administration – people who have destroyed people’s lives and careers over pure partisanship now decrying a lack of civility – I continue to wonder how much self-awareness they have.

    On the one hand, they could really honestly believe that they are SO right, and the left is SO wrong, SO evil, SO treasonous, that they don’t recgonize just how cruel and vindictive and callous they often are to their enemies. Akin to pre-civil rights era, where you’d occasionally find whites who’d treat black people like subhuman garbage, but be genuinely taken aback if the target of their racism defended him or herself: “Did you just hear what that n****r said to me? Don’t have the decency God gives dogs in the street to be polite to their masters.” Is this a similar worldview that the Roves of the world have to anyone who disagrees with them? Putrid filth that deserves to be neutraized of any respect or authority, but if those people fight back, hey now, ho now, let’s not get personal, bub, is that how you were raised?

    On the other hand, and this is the way *I* lean, I suspect the roves of the world are completely and totally aware of just how douchebaggy they are to their assumed political enemies. They like being nasty to liberals the same way jocks in a bad eighties movie harass the nerds (and this is the closest we’ll ever come to associating Rove with an athlete, I assure you). They like having an enemy, especially ones they themselves created and demonized and marginalized and ineffectualized. And when people like Rove prattle on like this, it’s meant to rub his prestige and his power (and the fact that he’s not in jail) in the faces of everyone he’s screwed over with the policies he talked Bush into enacting. As far as Rove is concerned, we’re all his bitches. And if, while he’s doing this, he manages to rally people in the right to keep on keeping the left or the middle and lower class oppressed and broke, well, that’s just gravy.

  • Rove better hope we on the left never get ahold of him and put him on trial, that’s all I have to say. I think he’s whistling past the graveyard and that he’ll be on the first flight out of the country if we ever get rid of the Vichy Democrats and replace them with actual vertibrates.

  • Mr. Rove cited the results of a study that found that writers and commenters on liberal blogs such as DailyKos.com cursed far more than writers and commenters on conservative Web sites such as FreeRepublic.com.

    If you count all the racial slurs on FreeRepublic (I do, I’m sure Rove doesnt’), his findings are not even close to being correct.

  • *Trying to think of one person I know between the ages of 18 and 55 who never curses*

    Nope, drawing a blank. Not sure what demographic Rove is appealing to here, it seems like Republicans already do pretty well with seniors.

  • Wasn’t it a Rove tactic to accuse the other side of doing exactly what you are doing only do it first so any rebuke will look spiteful. Rove is a gutter political adviser where winning trumps morals or justice or decency. His gutter tactics may have been effective but his advice was always…always wrong. In the long run he helped to get more democrats elected than he ever did republicans. What a sleeze.

  • Rove’s moment of High Broderism, disparaging that there are actually people who disprove of what he and his president have done to this country on the internet, is more transparently false outrage. He of the frothingly rabid ad hominem attacks blushing that someone on the left may insinuate that his beloved Bush “sucks.” Oh, the outrage!

    Rove, Bush and company have given America plenty to be outraged about and anger about what Bush has wrought should be a sign of whether a person is a sentient being or not. But for all his huffiness about the left, I have never seen anyone on the left asking for anyone, whether it be Bushies or even Rove himself, be maliciously harmed, killed or accosted. A glance at the right reveals their brightest stars – the Malkins, the Coulters, the Limbaughs actively advocating vioence and death to people they don’t like. Where’s Karl’s outrage at that? Instead he’s rather torch a few straw men to make his point. Jackass.

  • See, I would have thought that what was really ruining democracy was using the non-partisan agencies of the government, like the Government Accountability Office, for blatantly partisan purposes. Remember when Rove’s deputy was giving a presentation to the GAO on the importance of electing Republicans in 2006?

    Sheesh.

    Brian

  • Rove is just launching a talking point for the faithful to repeat on AM radio: “Leftie blogs (that criticize Republicans) are nutty.”

    Of course what Rove is saying is without foundation, especially when one compares blogs on both sides of the spectrum (as CB does at one of his other gigs), but remember that Rove isn’t addressing his comments to sensible people. His comments are intended for the Republican faithful, the dead-enders, the 29%.

  • It reminds me of the time some low level talk radio show host doing backflips on his blog when he made the mistake of saying how no one on the right would ever use the ‘C’ word the way some anonymous commenter had on Kevin Drum’s blog — Malkin had hyped this as an example of a liberal lack of civility.

    So, I googled “hillary” and “cunt” and cut and pasted the results on his blog. He stood by his original assertion, so I posted some more. And some more. The most horrendous comments you can imagine. Finally the guy backpeddled and admitted it wasn’t true — both sides do it. A right wing nutjob radio personality, mind you.

    You can’t mention Obama on the CBS blogs without them having to shut down the comments thread due to all the racist comments the wingers post. When they post something on Hillary, it’s almost always about rape or murder, or Nazis. There’s a reason Malkin and other wingnuts won’t allow comments on her site. Righwing blogs are where the bots download the talking points before heading off bombard the media. They don’t want discussion or analysis, but unquestioned dissemination.

    So, any time Rove wants to get into a who’s more crude bit, I welcome the opportunity, even with the current media double-standard regarding such things. The media imbalance does neutralize the vulgarity imbalance. Not even close.

  • But for all his huffiness about the left, I have never seen anyone on the left asking for anyone, whether it be Bushies or even Rove himself, be maliciously harmed, killed or accosted.

    You stand corrected. I have rhapsodized about how setting up a guillotine in front of the capitol and marchin Rove and several others up the steps would somehow be fitting, and would probably draw a cheering, jeering crowd. Indeed, I have never had such an appreciation for the excesses of the French Revolution as I have since the Bush gang took over.

    And heck, I’m not even a guy who supports capital punishment!

  • Typos! Does anybody else have the problem when typing in a comment that part of the comment box is off the screen? This started happening at this site a few months back when it underwent a remodel. So I plead innocent to careless typos, but I sure would like to see that fixed. Sometimes the orange box is hidden, too, which is a pain. Anybody else have this problem?

  • Rove is the burning bag of $hit on humanity’s porch.

    No real point in putting it out, now is there?

    Let’s just sit back, enjoy our friends, family, and love ones and watch the little bugger burn.

    Isn’t it a nice, warm glow?

  • Rove might be a political genius in some things, but he is still a crazy nutbag. It’s disturbing to hear him say that it’s a negative that people who otherwise might not have voice in our country’s political discourse now can because of the internet. In a nation founded upon free speech we can only be thankful that the internet has given many new voices a chance to be heard.

  • Political operatives have charged that Rove orchestrated a “widely disseminated rumor that John McCain, tortured intensely interrogated as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, had betrayed his country under interrogation and been rendered mentally unfit for office.”

    Keep up the good work, Winston.

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