Scarborough explains international terrorism and U.S. politics

Following up on an earlier item, I probably didn’t need another example of why most television news is unwatchable, but MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough offered one anyway. Within an hour of Benazir Bhutto’s assassination:

This is just bizarre, for so many reasons. To hear Scarborough tell it, Giuliani “talks” about 9/11, so the Bhutto slaying necessarily gives him a boost. Of course, Giuliani doesn’t have any experience in foreign policy, national security, or counter-terrorism, but Scarborough seems to find that irrelevant (and not worth mentioning). He was the mayor of a city attacked by terrorists, so Pakistan moving towards the brink is obviously a political advantage.

For that matter, as Greg Sargent noted, the assumption is more than foolish; it’s debunked by polling data: “The most recent polling on terrorism in the GOP primary that I can find suggests there’s no reason to presume Rudy has an advantage on it…. I don’t have any idea who will benefit politically from Bhutto’s assassination. But the point is, neither does Scarborough…. This is just punditry on auto-pilot, the reflexive serving up of diagnoses based on the same old flawed assumptions that have under-girded establishment punditry for well over a decade now, unchanged by external events or all evidence to the contrary.”

For those of you who can’t watch video clips online, here’s my transcript of Scarborough’s comments:

“You know, in the past, uncertainty on the international stage has usually helped Republicans in general elections, but since we’re talking about primary battles, the question is how this event is going to change these contests. On the Republican side, you’ve got the press release from the person who it’s going to help most. There’s no doubt Rudy Giuliani will be helped by this, this terrible situation. And he’ll be helped because, uh, we’ve seen his poll numbers evaporate over the past few weeks and a lot of people have talked about his personal life, but equally damaging to Giuliani’s standing among Republican voters has been the fact that the National Intelligence Estimate has come out and said that Iran is a less dangerous place than we expected; Iraq has been stabilized, for now, by the surge, and that does not help Rudy Giuliani because, as we’ve been saying every morning for the past six months, he’s talking about 9/11, talking about how we need a tough leader to face down the threat of terrorism, and that’s exactly what we’ve seen come out of the Giuliani camp this morning.

“Expect to hear that, and expect this to have a positive impact — this terrible, terrible situation — to have a positive political impact on Giuliani’s campaign, because when Americans see these images flash across the screen and understand that this just occurred in the most dangerous country on the planet, that has nuclear weapons, the most unstable planet [sic] that has nuclear weapons, suddenly they understand uh, that it is a dangerous situation. And that helps Giuliani. […]

“The Musharraf. The Musharraf question and the test of leadership for the 2008 election, and that question is, who do you want in the White House when the news comes at 2 a.m. in the morning, that Gen. Musharraf has been assassinated and that al Qaeda may be getting their hands on nuclear weapons? Who is ready? And, of course, Rudy has, what is it, ‘Tested, Ready, Now’? You’re going to be hearing a lot from Rudy Giuliani over the next several weeks about how he is that man.”

Does any of this make any sense?

the most unstable planet [sic] that has nuclear weapons,

Actually, this is probably why we are under Total Interdict by the Galactic Union.

Hey, it makes as much sense as anything Joe Stupid says, and is an oooold theme among us crazy s-f writers.

  • Does any of this make any sense?

    No.

    I imagine if I re-read it enough my IQ would drop until I reached a point where it did make sense. Unfortunately that point would be right before I slid from my chair, a permanent drooling, gibbering imbecile so I wouldn’t be able to explain it to you.

  • This is just bizarre, for so many reasons. To hear Scarborough tell it, Giuliani “talks” about 9/11, so the Bhutto slaying necessarily gives him a boost. Of course, Giuliani doesn’t have any experience in foreign policy, national security, or counter-terrorism, but Scarborough seems to find that irrelevant (and not worth mentioning). He was the mayor of a city attacked by terrorists, so Pakistan moving towards the brink is obviously a political advantage.

    It seems like these talking heads try to promote our electorate’s being uninformed.

  • The problem is that Republican’t wingnut kool-aid drinkers actually think Rudy is qualified because he was stupid enough to put his emergency response center into the complex that al Qaida had already tried to destroy.

    Remember, Joe’s talking about the most stupid people in America. The 10-26% who think Boy George II is doing a good job (rather than the additional 10% who just say it).

  • The basic notion is violence and instability benefits authoritarians, who offer a simplistic rationale for themselves of “I’ll just stick it to the bad guys if you can help me get all these lily-livered non-authoritarians out of my way.” Authoritarians (of whom Rudy is a great example) use this strategy all the time, and it can work for them for awhile. But eventually, the authoritarians produce enough disasters that they fall out of favor, and scare tactics, even ones opportunistically taking advantage of ongoing turmoil, stop being effective.

    The real question is are we far enough along in the process that the authoritarians have discredited themselves so that scare tactics don’t work anymore. I hope we are, but the proof will come in the 2008 election.

  • Let us also be aware that until a few weeks ago – Jolly Joe was pushing for an attack on Iran! As ignorant a repugnican as Joe is – he is still heads above Chris ‘Tweety’ Matthews with his man-crush on Guiliani & McCain & his hatred of anything Clinton!

    Remember the republican rules:
    – If you repeat it often enough it stops being a lie…
    – Just because it is not true does not mean it is false…
    – Insinuation is sufficient to castigate a dumbocrat
    but it takes evidence sufficient to convict in a court of law
    before you can castigate a repugnican…

    Remember the Bush rules:
    – Foreign policy
    Just because Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program
    does not mean that we shouldn’t attack them to keep them from
    getting a nuclear weapons program…
    – Science
    Fuck science – belief is all we need…
    – Environmental policy
    Whatever the oil companies want…

  • i’m at a loss to understand how scarborough’s answer to the question* of how bhutto’s assassination affects the primaries (*conveniently omitted on that youtube clip, btw) causes such outrage here. scarborough wasn’t endorsing candidates; he was providing his analysis of who this tragic event might benefit politically here at home. go back and listen to the clip with the Question in mind.

    also, consider this: MSNBC is a 24/7 cable news station with an emphasis on politics. subsequent to reporting on the tragic assassination of bhutto, wouldn’t it make sense that they would start analysing the ramifications of that event? isn’t this what political blogs do all day long?

  • This is a perfect example of what’s happened to the news media. Rather than inform us of facts, including all facts and events occurring around the world, including Washington scandals; we have Joe plucking two unrelated news items, if not more, and linking them together to form a conclusive statement, complete with assurance that this is “without a doubt” true.

    This is not journalistic news reporting, this is presentation. The presentation assumes first of all that every viewer is only concerned with the 08 election, all other news items must relate or be discarded. The endless scandals and crimes of W/Cheney and torture, Haliburton, Blackwater…things that would require investigative journalism need not be covered. That’s all covered by the Perino press babble, we have CNN, MSNBC and the rest discussing all the finer points of Edwards attacking Obama, and Oprah battling Hillary for 24 hours, 7 days per week.

    In the case of a true news event like Bhutto’s death, it is merely linked to the election coverage and becomes another minor talking point to steer the herd toward the desired pen.

  • Rudy? Tested? Ha Ha HA ha. Why don’t we just pull somebody up from the mail room and put ’em in a suit?
    Scarborough is so full of it and you are absolutely right …he makes no sense in his rush to push Guiliani’s candidacy.

    All this talk about terrorists is questionable. Bhutto was known to be corrupt before as are all of the Pakistan rulers. Mushariff stands to gain as much as any terrorists for now he has gotten rid of his opposition and has a good excuse for rounding up the Taliban and other ‘terrorists’ groups and executing them and declaring martial law. Isn’t he Bush’s man? Did the CIA fumble the ball on this assassination and security?

    I don’t trust the MSM, especially their initial reports because they are filled with republican talking points, most as ridiculous as Scarborough’s take. When will these idiots ever learn that war is something you try to prevent not encourage.
    Rational sense should tell these guys that for these small countries using nukes would get them annihilated yet they use the stupidest reasons to run around in a state of fear and panic as if the world is going to now be blown up. How quickly they forget the “Mother Russia” period and the cold war. It’s like telling a stadium filled with gun toting football fans that there’s a man on the field with a gun and expecting the crowd to be fearful. Just pathetic.

    It’s a black period anytime a world leader is assassinated who is not a brutal dictator. It’s a shame.

  • #7 entheo: scarborough wasn’t endorsing candidates; he was providing his analysis …

    You can’t be serious! Obviously you didn’t read the full post – the criticism is not that he endorsed Guiliani, the outrage is that his analysis does not offer any evidence that an assassination would help him – other than just repeating Rudy’s slogan.

  • Ohioan: “You can’t be serious! “

    i can and i will — obviously you didn’t listen to the clip in light of the actual question.

    scarborough is right — bhutto’s assassination will politically benefit guiliani and clinton because of their perceived tough stances on terror – hell, it’s the bulk of guiliani’s platform! and scarborough is pointing that out by describing the scenarios and perceptions that will cause many republicans to come back to rudy.

    i’m really surprised scarborough’s stating of the obvious should come as such a surprise here. i’m no scarborough apologist or even fan; just someone who prefers not to see Fox tactics employed on our side of the fence. and speaking of which, the previous CB post on this subject, linking to a one-line reference to this interview, was, if you listened to the clip, wrong. scarborough never said it was “good news”.

  • What Joey Scabrous seems to be saying is that terra-squawking panty-wetters love themselves some Julieannie. And as chief panty-wetting terra-squawker on Pantywetter And Friends, he should know.

  • #11 entheo

    I could go on and on about how TV Pundits create the very “perceptions” by promoting narratives and not backing them up with facts, especially when the facts prove the exact opposite (radiogate, air quality-gate, business with the sheikhs-gate etc)… but you’ve obviously settled on your own unshakeable narrative that pointing that out is “Fox” tactics. So god bless you and happy new year…

  • Please. You all cant be so stupid. Look at the cover of Time’s Man of the Year in 2001. It was Rudy Giuliani with New York behind him. He became America’s mayor and was seen as the strongest of America’s leaders because Bush looked so weak. You are fooling yourselves if you don’t understand how Giuliani is viewed by many Americans. But if the Kool Aid tastes good to you, keep drinking it. Scarborough was right, whether you like it or not.

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