Senate colleague predicts Lieberman would not run as an independent

For a couple of weeks now, my friend Tom Schaller has argued that Sen. [tag]Joe Lieberman[/tag] would not run as an independent if he loses next week’s primary to [tag]Ned Lamont[/tag]. Today, one of Lieberman’s colleagues predicted the same thing.

A Democratic senator said Friday that if Sen. Joe Lieberman loses his [tag]primary[/tag] Tuesday by a significant margin, he expects the Connecticut lawmaker to abandon plans to run as an [tag]independent[/tag].

Sen. [tag]Frank Lautenberg[/tag] of New Jersey, who just days ago campaigned with Lieberman, said a decisive win by anti-war challenger Ned Lamont would probably drive Lieberman off the ballot in the November general election.

In more troubling news for Lieberman, Lautenberg also said he would back the Democratic nominee who emerges from the primary, a view shared by several senators.

Lautenberg said a defeat by a “significant margin” may force Lieberman to walk away from the race. Lautenberg added that a double-digit Lamont primary victory should prompt Lieberman “to take a look at what reality is.”

Should Lieberman lose on Tuesday, as now seems increasingly likely, pressure from his friends and colleagues will quickly grow intense. A small handful of Dem lawmakers have committed to supporting Lieberman against the elected Dem nominee, but the vast majority of the party establishment will politely-but-firmly ask him to walk away.

Will he?

Getting a read on this guy is difficult. To be sure, I think Lieberman should gracefully exit stage right if rejected by voters in his own state and his own party, but he also seems to have this odd belief that the seat, quite literally, belongs to him. If Lieberman wasn’t prepared to abandon the party, he wouldn’t have announced his independent intentions in July.

That said, Josh Marshall is right that a clear defeat in the primary “will have a catalyzing effect.” Lieberman may have decided in the abstract that he’d keep on fighting, even if that meant a three-way race, but when he made that announcement, he was ahead in the polls and expected to win the primary. Indeed, the idea may have been more of a threat than a promise.

It’s one thing to collect petition signatures in July for an independent bid; it’s another to wake up on Wednesday morning to headlines throughout your home state calling you a loser … followed by several dozen phone calls from friends and colleagues telling you to quit … followed by the prospect of losing two elections in your home state in less than four months.

To be sure, the polls may be wrong and Lieberman may still win the primary. I’m not in Connecticut and I have no idea what to expect. But I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if a Lamont victory would be so humbling that Lieberman will find it impossible to pick up the pieces and mount a serious independent bid.

I don’t think Lieberman is capable of being humbled, no matter what the margin.

  • If he loses, the Senate leadership could threaten to boot him out of all his leadership positions unless he drops out. I think that possibility of him losing again and going out as a powerless nobody would be a major deterrent to running as an independent.

  • Yup, I think he came out swinging when his position was stronger, but he must be self-aware enough to know that going independant after a major defeat would be instant death to any hopes he might have of coming back later.

    One never knows, but my guess would be he’ll stand down in the end even if it hurts a lot….which it will.

  • He did promise Reid that he wouldn’t run as an Independent, didn’t he? He’s already shown what he word is worth and I think Reid should take his seats away so that he can’t damage the Democrats any more that he already has.

  • Lieberman and reality parted ways long ago. Who knows, maybe he’ll be offered a cabinet position or a Faux News show.

  • I think Lieberman’s days of glory are now past. He had his place in the sun only because Gore wanted to distance himself from the Clinton Drama. That’s all old news now. The new news is about Iraq and Lieberman is dead wrong about Iraq.

  • I’m sure Lieberman was serious when he threatened to run as an indy – or at least believed he was. I think reality is slowly dawning on him now. Pulling the plug on his imported GOTV shop is probably more a sign of resignation than redeploying resources to his indy run.

    He needs to keep a primary loss close to be reasonably positioned for the general. To do that, he needs all the GOTV he can get his hands on – now. Bringing in out of state pros, after getting his hat handed to him in the primaries would be a sign of unimaginable arrogance. I’m no fan of Joe’s, but I don’t think he is completely disconnected from the political realities. Slow to realize them? Yes. Permanently oblivious? I’m not so sure.

  • I’m pretty sure he’ll have second thoughts and call it quits, unless polls show that he would win as an independent in a three-way race whereas Lamont would loose in a two-way race.

    For all that I despise his enabling of Bush and the Republicans and his bend-and-spread version of bipartisanship, he could make a great Democratic governor in a couple of years. He’s pretty good on domestic issues as long as there aren’t any Republicans in power to toady up to, his love of extending bipartisanship could work well in a state government, and he’d be safely removed from foreign affairs.

  • Pulling the plug on his imported GOTV shop is probably more a sign of resignation than redeploying resources to his indy run.-JoeW

    It turns out the the reports of his bagging the GOTV effort may have been a head fake. Jane at FDL has the story.

    This Machiavellian rouse raises the possibility of another one. He may think that his potential abandonment of the Democratic party may cost him votes in the primary. Hence he is simply using Lautenberg convince any voters who may be turned off by his willingness to drop the party that it isn’t true, regardless of his actual intent.

  • Somewhere along the line, I strongly suspect that Bill Clinton’s “apprearance fee” to Holy Joe was Joe agreeing before Clinton showed up that that if he lost there’d be no independent campaign. This is why HJ is pulling his GOTV campaign this weekend and concentrating on advertising. If he was going to carry on an independent campaign, he would absolutely need a strong GOTV in the primary, to limit the size of Lamont’s win and make an independent campaign look like it had a chance.

    Holy Joe sort of reminds me of poor old Hubert Humphrey after he took the job of Public Joyboy, er, I mean Vice President, to Lyndon Johnson.The difference being that, at the end of the ’68 campaign, Humphrey did try — too late — to reconnect with his real self. Had he done it a month earlier, he might actually have beaten Nixon. I think there’s a good possibility that what we’re seeing really is Holy Joe’s “real self.” Listening to him in 2000, he was the best argument against voting Democratic for President there was. He got foisted on Gore to distance himself from Clinton, and when they realized what a putz he is, they had to shut up or be accused of “anti-Semitism.” But now he can be nailed for what he is, and anti-Semitism has nothing to do with it.

  • Lieberman disapproved of Bill Clinton. He approved of George Bush. I hope he enjoyed it. Here’s your has-been, Bush.

  • #11 Thanks for the link, Rege. I’m not entirely sure what to make of it. A head fake is entirely possible. OTOH, even if he’s pulled the plug on the out of state GOTV, his campaign offices would still be a bee hive of activity at this stage of the game. For as long as he’s been in the Senate, I’m sure he has many many local chits to call in. It’s not either/or – all/nothing. Still, by Jane’s account it seems he’s going full bore. Time will tell whether it’s a Hail Mary, a Brave Face, or a Real Fight.

  • #4: He did promise Reid that he wouldn’t run as an Independent, didn’t he?
    Joe can get around this by running under “CT for Lieberman” party, and therefore not an independent. Yuck.

    Also a post at MyDD says Steph on ABC News has opinion that Joe will finally see the folly in continuing to run after Aug. 8 loss, and he won’t run.

  • Well, I’m in CT and while exiting a supermarket just the other day, 2 gentlemen were trying to convince people to sign the petition to “make sure that Joe is on the ballot in November.” Since I can’t vote, it was moot, but I had my wife’s setiments. My wife can vote, and she let them have it about it was wrong to run as an independent after losing a primary when you should be supporting your party, and that she was going to vote for Lamont.

  • “Lieberman joked Monday about his failed vice presidential bid, but his trip to Florida on Martin Luther King Jr. Day made his future political ambitions obvious. Many think the Connecticut senator, who made stops in Jacksonville and West Palm Beach this week, may be laying the groundwork for a future presidential run.”

    Wow… talk about delusions of grandeur….

    That was the St. Petersburg Times January 22, 2002

    Joe… Joe… Joe…

    Schadenfreude…
    Schadenfreude…
    Schadenfreude…

    I am giggling in my beer over here…

  • Joe Lie can’t win on Tuesday; he negated that possibility when the “stealth indie” petitions came to light only days after claiming he wouldn’t do such a thing.

    Joe Lie can’t win in November, either; the scandal surrounding the GOP candidate is going to create a lot of disconcert within the Republikanner rank-and-file, and there’s going to be a lot of conservative folks in Connecticut wearing their “righteous indignation” right out on their sleeves for everyone to see. A voter who gets singed by his/her own candidate will play the judgement card on all other candidates—and that kind of judgement will be used to weigh Lamont against Lieberman, and Lieberman against Lamont. With that, I’d not be surprised to see more GOP voters swing into line behind Lamont than Joe Lie.

    End result? Lieberman on the November ballot as an indie will be buried under a political tidal wave—so much so, that I think Lamont will carry a clear majority in a three-way race….

  • Joe Lieberman can’t win, and my guess is that Big Dog told him (insert accent and sincerity): “I’ve campaigned for you Joe (think “Godfather” – “I have done you this favor and one day I may ask you repay this favor”) and you lost. Now find another career.”

  • Nothing more to say except good-bye Joe.
    Planning to run as an independent shows your lack of respect for the party. You’ve been acting as an independent loser, so it’s fitting you should lose as an independent.

  • Lieberman’s main priority is Lieberman. In 2000, he was running for re-election as senator at the same time he war running with Gore for VP. That meant that, if Gore was elected and he was re-elected as Senator, he’d have to resign his Senate seat, and Connecticut’s Republican governor would choose his replacement, reducing the Democrats’ chance of retaking the Senate (which was close to 50-50) that year. Party elders urged him to let another Democrat run for Senate so it could remain a Democratic seat. But Joe refused – his commitment to Gore stopped short of anything that would reduce his chance of staying in the Senate.

    My guess is the same considerations would lead him to run as an independent, unless he loses so badly on Tue that his sense of shame finally overcomes his lust for power.

  • Loserman is a narcissistic corporate poodle. His DLC-backed bonafides prove it. His wife is a lobbyist and he’s hired a DC lobbyist to pose as a CT voter and harrass Ned Lamont at campaign stops. What next? A putch at the Stop and Shop?? And how about the Lieberjugend he’s hired to harrass Lamont voters? “Sense of shame”, BC? Lieberdouche has no shame, he’d stab his own mother in the back to hold onto power. He’s an opportunistic little fuckwad, the adopted scion of neoconservative hacks, a transparent poseur, and a bible-waving shmuck.

    If I sound harsh it’s merely because I hate the little motherfucker.

    More power to progressive CT Democrats!!

  • Joe’s had way too much Kool-Aid if he thinks he is going to win ans an Indy. I would imagine he’s probably trying to position himself in someone’s VP run.

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