Shifting staff, shifting rationales

There’s been quite a bit of talk this morning about reported changes in the Clinton campaign’s staff.

Members of Hillary Clinton’s advance staff received calls and emails this evening from headquarters summoning them to New York City Tuesday night, and telling them their roles on the campaign are ending, two Clinton staffers tell my colleague Amie Parnes.
The advance staffers — most of them now in Puerto Rico, South Dakota, and Montana — are being given the options of going to New York for a final day Tuesday, or going home, the aides said. The move is a sign that the campaign is beginning to shed — at least — some of its staff. The advance staff is responsible for arranging the candidate’s events around the country.

I’m not quite convinced that this is indicative of anything significant. With the last of the primaries wrapping up tomorrow, the Clinton campaign’s focus will shift to either a) ending the campaign and stepping aside; or b) investing time and resources in convincing Obama delegates to switch their commitments.

Given this, it stands to reason that Clinton will need a much smaller advance staff. Whether she’s in the race for three more days or three more months, these aren’t the kind of staffers she’ll need. Just because she’s scaling back in this department doesn’t necessarily point to a pending withdrawal.

As for the rest of the strategy, between now and the end of Clinton’s campaign, it will be all popular vote, all the time.

Mrs. Clinton, in the interview, in a new television advertisement and in her victory speech in San Juan, laid out why superdelegates should rally around her. She argued that by the time the final vote is counted, she will have more popular votes than Mr. Obama, an assertion that has been disputed.

“I think it will be most likely the case in a few days,” Mrs. Clinton said from San Juan. “I will have won the most votes — more than anyone in the history of the primary process.”

She added: “Senator Obama has a narrow lead in delegates. And we’re going to have to make our case to the automatic so-called superdelegates. And I think my case is clear — more than 17 million people voted for me.

“In recent primary history, we have never nominated someone who has not won the popular vote.”

That’s largely true. It’s been nearly four decades since Dems nominated a candidate who didn’t win the popular vote. Of course, Dems have never nominated a candidate who didn’t win the race for delegates, either, so either outcome is going to be rather unusual.

Now, as it happens, the discussion over which Dem won the popular vote is one of the more frustrating aspects of the intra-party debate, not because it’s a tangential metric, but because it’s practically impossible to get a reliable count.

Iowa, Nevada, Washington state, and Maine haven’t released popular vote totals. We can make educated guesses, but they’re not precise. How do we count non-binding primaries? Do we count voters who can’t participate in the general election (from territories, for example)? How many voters supported Obama in Michigan? It gets a little complicated. Depending on which measurement you prefer, you can say Obama has a very narrow popular-vote lead, or Clinton has a very narrow popular-vote lead.

It does, however, help explain the Clinton campaign strategy over the last few weeks. She campaigned very heavily in contests she was certain to win anyway — West Virginia, Kentucky, Puerto Rico — not because she was worried about losing, but because she needed strong showings to boost her popular vote totals. As Greg Sargent noted over the weekend, “[T]he last few weeks of the race … were about nothing other than running up the popular vote in a last-ditch effort to argue that Democrats hadn’t rendered a clear verdict on their choice of nominee.”

It’s unlikely this will work, but given Obama’s delegate lead, it makes sense.

Tom Vilsack is saying she needs to get behind Obama after Tuesday. That is a good sign that, no matter what Hillary wants to do, major supporters won’t continue to support her in a scorched earth campaign.

  • It does, however, help explain the Clinton campaign strategy over the last few weeks.

    Yes, and it helps explain why she has courted the Vast Right Wing Conspirators as well. A recent jedreport extrapolation of exit data showed that about 362,000 people voted for Clinton, but would vote for McCain in a Clinton-McCain matchup. Their numbers studied the results from PA, IN, NC, WV, KY and OR. In these states the total votes cast in the Dem primaries were about 6.76 million.

    However, the Limbaugh campaign began well before that. Certainly as early as TX and OH. In the states starting 3/4 (TX, OH, RI, VT, WY and MS), a total of about 5.86 million voted – that is almost as many as the sampling Jedreport did.

  • It’s unlikely this will work, but given Obama’s delegate lead, it makes sense.

    If you make enough nonsensical assumptions, I suppose anything can make sense.

  • Colin Wilson discusses A.E. Van Vogt’s “Right Man” concept —

    “The notion of ‘losing face’ suggests an interesting alternative line of thought. It is obviously connected, for example, with the cruelty of Himmler and Stalin when their absolute authority was questioned. … Another characteristic of both men was a conviction they they were always right, and a total inability to admit that they might ever be wrong.”

    “Himmlers and Stalins are, fortunately, rare; but the type is surprisingly common. The credit for recognising this goes to A.E. Van Vogt who is also the author of a number of brilliant psychological studies…”

    ‘What could motivate a man like that?’ Why is it that some men believe that anyone who contradicts them is either dishonest or downright wicked? Do they really believe, in their heart of hearts, that they are gods who are incapable of being fallible? If so are, are they in some sense insane, like a man who thinks he is Julius Caesar?”

    “… the ‘Right Man’ […] is a man driven by a manic need for self-esteem — to feel he is a ‘somebody’. He is obsessed by the question of ‘losing face’, so will never, under any circumstances, admit that he might be in the wrong.”

    “Van Vogt points out that the Right Man is an ‘idealist’ — that is, he lives in his own mental world and does his best to ignore aspects of reality that conflict with it. Like the Communists’ rewriting of history, reality can always be ‘adjusted’ later to fit his glorified picture of himself…”

    “The Right Man hates losing face; if he suspects that his threats are not being taken seriously, he is capable of carrying them out, purely for the sake of appearances.”

    “This is ‘magical thinking’ — allowing a desire or emotion to convince you of something your reason tells you to be untrue. […] Magical thinking provides a key to the Right Man.”

    “…the central characteristic of the Right Woman is the same as that of the Right Man: that she is convinced that having her own way is a law of nature, and that anyone who opposes this deserves the harshest possible treatment. It is the god (or goddess) syndrome.”

    I don’t know. Sound like anyone we’re familiar with?

  • I’ll admit it. I want Hillary out. And I find her me-before-party-and-country attitude to be off-putting, to say the least. But this is politics and you run against the opponents that you have, not the opponents that you want.

    Obama needs to hope for the best but assume the worst about Hillary. The worst being that she will continue to trumpet the popular vote totals to undermine Obama’s credibility, take the fight to Denver, and undermine Obama in the general election in order to run in 2012.

    With that being said, until Clinton cries “uncle,” Obama needs to punish her as harshly as possible for staying in the race. Hillary needs to understand that her future political credibility will be at stake if she continues to fight. I’d line up as many surrogates, superdelegates, and anonymous staffers as possible to hammer the following talking points on a daily basis:

    1. Hillary is putting a future cabinet position or Senate Majority Leader position in jeopardy by fighting to Denver.

    2. Hillary is insulting caucus states with her popular vote arguments.

    3. If Hillary takes this to Denver, Democrats will never forgive Hillary if Obama loses in November. 2012 is out of the question.

  • Hillary obviously thinks that the smear campaign against Obama might succeed, and she wants to be ready if it does.

    Having her against us is a badge of honor.

  • BREAKING: Hillary Clinton insults caucus states, claims “Iowans suck” and accuses all Nevadans of being “un-American for caucusing” (AP).

    She also laid into Idaho, throwing potatoes in their general direction, screaming “why couldn’t you primary! Why did you caucus!!!”

  • I don’t have much respect for HRC but comparing her to Himmler is way over the top.

    HRC is lying when she claims to have won the popular vote. The question to consider is: why spread this lie? Why mislead her supporters into thinking that she got screwed out of the nomination?

    The only reason that makes sense to me is that she wants just enough of her supporters to refuse to vote for Obama in the general to bring about his defeat so she can jump in in 2012. Nothing else makes any sense. She can’t be after the popular vote for its own sake because popular vote doesn’t determine the winner. She can’t be building up her totals to convince the supers because they are politically savvy people who know she is lying. Perhaps she thinks that the popular vote will give her leverage for something, Majority Leader for example, but it is not at all clear why that strategy would work.

    No the only thing that makes nay sense is that she is deliberately promoting faux victimization and resentment in order to defeat Obama so she can be hailed as the nominee in 2012.

    She isn’t Himmler or anything near but she is ego-driven and politically maladept.

  • I don’t have much respect for HRC but comparing her to Himmler is way over the top.—wonkie@8

    Yeah—stop picking on the dead Nazi, will ya?

    /snark

  • I apologize for not getting the source but yesterday while listening to MSNBC heads talk I heard it mentioned the superdelegates are all clamoring to be the “one” who puts Obama over the top.

  • My question:

    Is she hiring lawyers to replace the field operatives?

    If she is this might be an ugly summer.

  • One note — I didn’t mean to directly compare Senator Clinton to either Himmler or Stalin, simply to note that A.E. van Vogt has identified a certain psychological type, and in some ways, Hillary, like many many other people, fits the profile.

    The Right Man/Woman need not be a tyrant or mass murderer. They can be your next door neighbor, your co-worker, somebody going to your church, or someone on your bowling team. What distinguishes the Right Man/Woman is a handful of pathological character traits, as follows:

    * They cannot admit to error
    * They cannot apologize
    * They believe that what they want is the only proper way for things to be, and will treat anyone who interferes with their obtaining their objectives in the harshest manner imaginable
    * they generally have at least one enabler, who spends all his/her time making sure to the best of their ability that the Right Man/Woman is always allowed to have his or her way
    * they will go to ANY extreme to avoid losing face or being proven wrong

    I’m not trying to say that Mrs. Clinton is one of history’s greatest villains, and I apologize for that, I probably should have left that bit out. Right Men/Women exist everywhere, at every level of society. We all know one; they are the people who are offended by the merest suggestion that they could possibly be wrong about anything, whose self esteem is so touchy and whose temper is so easily roused that it’s much easier to just tell them whatever they want to hear and move on as quickly as possible. They are the people to whom there are no small matters and with whom it is impossible to agree to disagree; any argument or objection or even attempt at discussion or compromise is a mortal insult to these people. They want what they want and you WILL see things their way and there is nothing they will not do to win out in any conflict they find themselves embroiled in.

    It’s generally believed that had Senator Clinton just expressed sincere regret for supporting the Iraq War and advised that she had been wrong to vote for it, she would be the Democratic nominee now. She and those around her are politically astute, so they have to know this. Yet she still has never made that admission of error, nor has she ever apologized. And in all honesty, I cannot think of a single time that she has genuinely apologized for anything in what I would consider to be a heartfelt way… and when she chokes out one of those non-apology apologies (‘if what I said about RFK being assassinated offended anyone out there, well, I’m sorry’) she looks like she’s about to have a stroke.

    She simply strikes me, more and more, as a classic example of a Right Woman. But, certainly, she’s no Himmler or Stalin.

  • Guys, van Vogt was a science fiction writer, and even his fans, including me, consider him a ‘great bad writer.’

    Yes, he made the occasional brilliant point, but he was also a bit of a crackpot, latching onto any theory he heard about that could ‘improve humanity.’ (In fact his one major support for a useful theory, his “Null-A” stories, were originally written with a different theory in mind, and his editor had him rewrite them using General Semantics.) He even wrote one book featuring the Bates theory on eye-strengthening, and he left righting for a decade and a half to be a Dianetics practitioner (Dianetics was Hubbard’s original theory that he later renamed Scientology).

    I like the guy, but wouldn’t use him as a source for anything.

  • Hillary has convinced a lot of good Democrats that this is being taken from her and that Obama has no merit. One thing I know – this is good for the rethuglicans and it is not good for the Dems (and there is no snark in that statement). A friend emailed me this morning:

  • As usual, CB’s being too kind, in a desperate bid to help the Clinton supporters find their way back to reality, but I seriously doubt that Obama’s shedding staff in a similar way. Whether or not she’s planning to fight this all the way to the convention, this is a clear sign that she doesn’t really think she’ll win. And if she DID somehow win, she’d be at a severe disadvantage come the general election (particularly as Obama already had a better team to begin with); and is yet another reason the party shouldn’t hand her the victory.

    This is a key time in the election season, when the nominee needs to be building up for a big push, not paring down to save money. It’s my belief that she won’t push this all the way to the election, but seeing as how my prediction that she’d drop out after Ohio didn’t pan out, I’m giving up on my Clinton forecasting. But if her advisers have the Rovian mindset like I think they do, they’ll be insisting they’re fighting all the way…right up until the moment she announces she’s dropping out. Nixon did that same thing, and his resignation took everyone by surprise; including many people on his own staff. They did the same thing with Rumsfeld. It’s all about spin with these people and faking invincibility, and while I think Hillary already has that attitude, I think Penn and her other Rovian advisers are even worse about it. And while that’s helped her get as far as she has, it’s also the thing that doomed her from the start. While spin is always important, you still have to have a foot in reality if you expect to actually succeed.

  • Now, as it happens, the discussion over which Dem won the popular vote is one of the more frustrating aspects of the intra-party debate, not because it’s a tangential metric, but because it’s practically impossible to get a reliable count.

    It’s important to beat back Clinton’s popular vote argument since it’s, at best, questionable and worst, completely false.

    First, anybody who believes that the results of Michigan and Florida were indicative of what the results are likely to have been under ordinary circumstances is lying to themselves.

    Second, as has been stated, Hillary cheated by running up her so-called popular vote totals by breaking the Four State Pledge she signed in which she agreed not to participate in Michigan (she did) and campaign in Florida (she did). Of course, Obama honored this pledge, costing him votes in both states.

    Third, running a campaign for delegates requires a different strategy than running a campaign for a higher popular vote count since running a race for delegates requires candidates to take their campaigns to smaller states and rural areas (i.e. the DNC’s 50-state strategy). The supers know this and are unlikely to penalize Obama for running a strategy consistent with the rules.

    Therefore, like many others, I’m convinced that Hillary’s popular vote argument is intended less to swing supers (she knows it’s over), but intended primarily to undermine Obama’s nomination and reduce his chances in the fall.

  • …between now and the end of Clinton’s campaign, it will be all popular vote, all the time…

    Dumbest. Dead-ender. Metric. Ever.

    So stupid-evil… it makes me recast that famous Mark Twain quote:

    There are lies. There are damn lies. Then there are Hillary Clinton lies…

  • Guys, van Vogt was a science fiction writer, and even his fans, including me, consider him a ‘great bad writer.’

    My apologies. If I’d known there were fellow SF fans reading these threads, I’d have dug up a few Heinlein quotes, instead, as he is generally regarded by nearly all SF fans (besides me) as infallible. 😉

    Minor point — I wasn’t quoting van Vogt directly, but, rather, Colin Wilson’s discussion of van Vogt’s ‘Right Man’ concept, from Wilson’s own brilliant book, A CRIMINAL HISTORY IF MANKIND. Speaking (as always) only for myself, I find the ‘Right Man’ concept to be very persuasive, but, you know, I could just be one of those dimbulbs who believes any crockpot thing he reads, too. You never know.

  • If Clinton is reducing advance staff, that at least suggests that we’re not looking at an attempt to pull a Lieberman. Thank goodness.

  • Doc, the case is also persuasively made by John Dean in his book CONSCIENCE OF A CONSERVATIVE. He talks about people who appear to be the salt of the earth good people who will grind you into the pavement without a thought if you go against their “right” concepts of the way things should be…

  • Her popular vote argument went down the tubes with the 23 percent turnout in a Territory that regularly pulls out 80+% voting rates. Poor irrelevant Rob Reiner and his tales of gaining half a million votes there are as much a part of the smoke-in-the-wind that is the Clinton campaign as her assertion she let her daughter into danger from snipers in Bosnia.

    Glug…. glug… glug…

    Perhaps Queeqeeg’s coffin will bob to the surface again, and Bill and Hillary will be able to hold onto it as they drift off into the sunset of final irrelevance.

  • “The advance staffers… are being given the options of going to New York for a final day Tuesday, or going home, the aides said.”

    What is going to happen in New York on Tuesday?

    “The move is a sign that the campaign is beginning to shed — at least — some of its staff. The advance staff is responsible for arranging the candidate’s events around the country.”

    I guess you don’t need a big advance staff to campaign for superdelegates.

    Meanwhile, Obama is still out campaigning for that popular vote – against John McCain! If Hillary wins the nomination at the convention, how long will it take her campaign to gear up again for the general election?

    It sounds like a winning strategy – for McCain.

  • Wonkie (#8) commented: HRC is lying when she claims to have won the popular vote. The question to consider is: why spread this lie? Why mislead her supporters into thinking that she got screwed out of the nomination?

    And this makes your point that she shouldn’t be compared to Hitler (not Himmler) wrong – this is The Big Lie, as refined by Hitler.

  • Senator Obama would not have run the same race if the metric for success were popular votes. He ran a campaign designed to maximize delegates congressional district by congressional district. His strategy worked. Hers didn’t.

    This retrospective changing of the rules to argue victory is hogwash. The popular vote metric is as relevant here as it is in the general election. The Clinton campaign began with huge institutional advantages and set up the primary schedule for maximum advantage as they saw it. Her name recognition, popularity and financial advantage were supposed to end the contest on Super Tuesday. His strategy worked. Hers didn’t.

  • b) investing time and resources in convincing Obama delegates to switch their commitments.

    Big barbecue at the Clinton ranch?

  • I do have to say though that if Al Gore had acted liked Clinton in November of 2000, he would have been president.

    Never conceding is one lesson Clinton learned well. I sure wish she’d concede though.

  • danimal @24 said: The Clinton campaign began with huge institutional advantages and set up the primary schedule for maximum advantage as they saw it.

    Excellent comment, danimal. “Clinton guys” set up this whole primary system. There were no “Obama guys” back then. He wasn’t a blip on the radar. It was all about her.

    Yet he outsmarted, outworked, outwonked and outmaneuvered her.

  • Dr. BB

    Funny, I just re-read Van Voght’s “Angry Man” last month. It was not a SF book, according to VV himself.

    But his theory dovetails to some extent with John Dean’s “Conservatives without Conscience”, at least with some overlapping characteristics, authoritarianism being the foremost. The “left” has such creatures, too, though Dean thinks they’re in much smaller numbers than they exist on the right.

    I personally believe that some of Hillary’s supporters are authoritarians or followers of authoritarians myself, the kind that John Dean put on the Republican side of the divide. Nothing else makes sense to me, given the hostility and punitive reactions to genuine efforts made to address their concerns and imperfectly resolve issues and their willingness to support John McCain if they don’t get their way. His distance from progressive governing principles could not be greater.

    Anyway, just to say that VV’s theories are reflected in other studies, too, not identically but certainly with overlaps.

  • alwayshopeful

    I didn’t see your post before I made mine!

    Ha!

    Great minds and all that…

  • Aristedes,

    Just so folks know, while I’m a big Colin Wilson fan, and a big general fan of SF/fantasy as well, I’m not a big van Vogt fan. I think I read SLAN when I was like 12, and didn’t care for it much. Tried WEAPONS SHOPS OF ISHTAR as a young adult, and didn’t like that much, either. And that was pretty much it.

    Nonetheless, I do find the ‘Right Man’ hypothesis persuasive and even compelling, based on my own observations of human behavior. I only read of it in Wilson’s work, but he credits van Vogt, so I do, too.

    The notion that someone has to be a great genre writer in order to have good ideas though, is nonsense. A lot of people who write crappy fiction still have wonderful and original ideas, while many folks who write fabulous fiction have never had an original philosophical insight in their lives. (I’d cite Colin Wilson himself as an example of the former; his non fiction work is brilliant, but most of his novels are poorly constructed and turgid. For the latter, I’d list as an exemplar Roger Zelazney. Fantastic SF/fantasy writer, but not much in the way of sociological insights. Someone like Alfred Bester would fall somewhere in between both extremes.)

    And every SF fan’s favorite writer, Robert A. Heinlein, was truly brilliant at writing wonderfully entertaining stories, but his insights into human nature were, well, limited to say the least. (His depiction of the romance between Sam and Mary in PUPPET MASTERS, just for one example, is one of the sickest, most utterly unwholesome descriptions of intimate interactions I have ever seen anywhere, and more than that, one of the most fascinatingly at variance with anything remotely like a real life relationship I have ever experienced, observed, or could even imagine. If there’s ever been a woman on the planet who bore a remote resemblance to nearly any female character written by Heinlein, she must be one great big pulsating mass of psychoses, and I hope she’s under competent care somewhere. Of course, Heinlein’s male characters ain’t all that well adjusted, either…)

  • Hillary has class and experience. Obama has street smarts and is willing to address the real issues. We need them both in Washington, and it is looking like a joint ticket is a possibility. At the risk of sounding cheesy “Does it matter who is on top”?

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