Signing statement could lead to lawsuit

For several weeks now, the president’s critics have imagined an entirely plausible scenario: Bush could sign a congressionally backed funding bill for the war in Iraq, with the various conditions included (i.e., a withdrawal timeline), and then decide he won’t follow the law. When he signs the bill, the president could issue one of his infamous signing statements, explaining that he’ll abide by the legislation’s provisions as he sees fit.

There’s ample reason to expect such a move. The president has “touched up” hundreds of bills with signing statements, in which Bush has announced his intention to treat legal provisions as suggestions, which he can accept or ignore, depending on how his lawyers interpret the law.

On a recent conference call, House Speaker Pelosi touched on how she might react to such a move. (Disclosure: I was on this call, but neglected to appreciate the newsworthiness of her remarks.)

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is threatening to take President Bush to court if he issues a signing statement as a way of sidestepping a carefully crafted compromise Iraq war spending bill.

Pelosi recently told a group of liberal bloggers, “We can take the president to court” if he issues a signing statement, according to Kid Oakland, a blogger who covered Pelosi’s remarks for the liberal website dailykos.com.

“The president has made excessive use of signing statements and Congress is considering ways to respond to this executive-branch overreaching,” a spokesman for Pelosi, Nadeam Elshami, said. “Whether through the oversight or appropriations process or by enacting new legislation, the Democratic Congress will challenge the president’s non-enforcement of the laws.”

It’s encouraging to know the Dem leadership won’t take signing statements lying down. This has been an extra-constitutional tactic, abused by Bush, for far too long.

But I’m not sure how a lawsuit like this one would work.

In order to hear an argument, a federal court would have to grant what is known as “standing,” meaning that lawmakers would have to show that Bush is willfully ignoring a bill Congress passed and that he signed into law.

The House would have to demonstrate what is called “injury in fact.” A court might accept the case if “it is clear that the legislature has exhausted its ability to do anything more,” a former general counsel to the House of Representatives, Stanley Brand, said.

I’m open to competing arguments on this — any constitutional law profs in the audience? — but people I’ve spoken with about the issue suggest that the courts wouldn’t hear a case like this, citing concerns over separation of powers. Federal courts would, in all likelihood, suggest Congress consider its own remedies — impeachment, for example — for a president who believes he can write and interpret his own laws.

Also, I was a little surprised to see how badly the right misunderstands the nature of this controversy. One far-right blog insisted that Pelosi would sue unless Bush goes along with the Democratic policy. Another made the same argument: “Can’t get the President to agree with you the old-fashioned way? Then sue him.”

The right is confused. The point here isn’t that Pelosi would sue Bush into agreement; the point is that if the president signs a bill into law and then announces he won’t abide by its provisions, that’s legally problematic.

Ideally, it won’t come to this anyway. The goal here is to shape a funding bill that changes the existing policy, either with Bush’s grudging signature or with enough Republicans to override his veto. But if the White House does explore the signing-statement route, it’s heartening to know the Dems will push back hard.

I think [in my ameteur way of thinking] a lawsuit would be one avenue that is necessary but that might not fully accomplish forcing the president to do anything (maybe a necessary step towards forcing the president’s hand). The Congress could possibly sue to obtain some sort of declaratory judgment that the law is not unconstitutional, and that the president has only 2 choices when presented a bill from Congress–veto it and prohibit it from becoming law, or sign it into law. The Court would then determine that if the law is not unconstitutional and has been signed by the president then it is a valid law. But the court is likely to stop there. The executive branch then can fully execute that law, partially execute that law or choose to ignore the law at that point. If the president chooses one of the latter two options, Congress will need to consider whether this constitutes sufficient grounds for impeachment.

  • “Federal courts would, in all likelihood, suggest Congress consider its own remedies — impeachment, for example — for a president who believes he can write and interpret his own laws.”

    Great idea! It wasn’t the Dem’s first choice and they didn’t want to do it but the courts tolsd them it was their only remedy.

  • There is no way Bush is going to sign a bill with any hint of a timetable on it. He’s too freakin’ stupid and ego-driven. Basically, we’ve entered a staring contest with a blind man.

  • The signing statements do not change the law. If Congress passes a bill, and the president signs it, it’s the law.

    A signing statement may make the president feel better about his intention to not enforce, or break that law, but it’s meaningless and not worth the paper it’s printed on.

    The presidency is a vital part of the government. There is no “work-around” when the presidency is broken or corrupt. We have impeachment and elections. That’s it.

    But don’t fret about the signing statements. They are unconstitutional and have no weight in law. None.

  • “Federal courts would, in all likelihood, suggest Congress consider its own remedies — impeachment, for example — for a president who believes he can write and interpret his own laws.”

    that works for me. if it takes a federal court to push democrats in congress to do something about impeachment, i’m all for it.

  • So when the courts refuse to hear the case, I’m gonna bet that their reasoning will sound like: ‘you already have a remedy, it’s called impeachment. Don’t try to foist on the courts a problem that you can’t solve because of a lack of political will.’

  • As I’ve said before, it all comes down to impeachment, at least as far as this president is concerned. His behavior is, as it has always been, lawless. Either impeach him or accept irrelevance.

    I believe Haik is right about the signing statements themselves – they carry no legal weight. But it would certainly discourage future presidents from behaving this way if, once he’s out of office, someone would prosecute the chimp for breaking laws as president. Just a thought.

  • Why don’t they include a provision in the bill that any presidential signing statements that alter its substance will constitute a veto and make the entire law null and void? They could also include legislative findings that a signing statement that alters the substance of a bill is an unconstitutional line-item veto.

  • To paraphrase Caddyshack, be the court.

    Holy shit, but Democrats seem to be willing to do *anything* to avoid confronting Bush and making it stick.

    What, exactly, would it take for impeachment to be “on the table” again? Seriously: what would get Democrats to actually use political tools at their disposal, to do what the country wants, whether it’s end the war or hold Bush accountable – and I mean, *effectively*?

  • I agree with Haik (#4 above); signing statements do not change the law. If anything, Congres should issue a joint statement stating that although the President can say anything he wants to when signing a law, if he breaks that law or refuses to uphold it, he is guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors” and should be impeached. The down side is that you have to wait for him to break the law in order to get to this point.

  • Two points in The Hill article quoted stand in interesting contradistinction.

    First, is the statement Bush has already signed to accompany his veto of the Iraq Supplemental Spending bill:

    “This legislation is unconstitutional because it purports to direct the conduct of operations of the war in a way that infringes upon the powers vested in the presidency.”

    Second, is a suggestion by Rep. Jay Inslee (D-Wash.) that the House consider a measure to rescind the 2002 authorization for the war in Iraq. Apparently “There was a ripple around the room” in support of the idea, according to Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.).

    I’ve always favored that suggestion, on the basis that the authorization to use military force was granted to the president only by dint of the false, manipulated and cherry-picked intelligence Congress was knowingly fed by the Bush gang. That the information presented and taken in good faith, on which the decision was made, was knowingly distorted in order to secure permission for the war, is not only criminal but utterly invalidates the authorization granted in October 2002.

    If that permission can be rescinded, then the rug — that optimistic f*ing banana-flavored rug — is pulled right from under the twitchy crackpot’s feet. No need to challenge “signing statements”, no need to argue “standing”, no need to demonstrate “injury”, or any of that falafel. Just straight to the balls: No war authorization = No powers vested in the jackass Commander Guy.

    [..and God Save the Queen]

  • I’ve mentioned this a couple of times in the past, but back in the days of the Senate Select Committee on Watergate, Senator Ervin was fond of quoting the phrase from Article 2 of the Constitution requiring that the President, “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” I don’t think you need to be a professor to reasonably conclude that repeated willful failure to carry out this constitutionally mandated responsibility might constitute, at the very least, “misdemeanors” in office.

  • Blah blah blah blah is exactly the president’s strategy. It will allow him to do what he wants till the end of his term. Bush’s stubbornness and willfulness has been demonstrated by each of his signing statements. He doesn’t care about the rule of law but merely in having his way. Whatever Pelosi decides won’t have any effect on Bush as he is set to “gum it to death” while doing exactly as he pleases. If Congress cut off all funding for the occupation, Bush would decide they didn’t know what they were doing and find a way to bypass them and issue funding himself pushing it before the SC and “gumming it to death” again. Still doing whatever he wants. The Legislative branch can clamor about being an equal branch of the government but over and over the executive branch is saying, “Oh yeah, prove it. Try and stop me”. There is what is said but I see what is actually done. Nothing has changed in the DoJ; Nothing has really changed at Walter Reed; War profiteers are still raking it in; yep, “gum it to death”, or at least till ’09.

  • What, exactly, would it take for impeachment to be “on the table” again? Seriously: what would get Democrats to actually use political tools at their disposal, to do what the country wants, whether it’s end the war or hold Bush accountable – and I mean, *effectively*?

    I believe what you are looking for is summed up by the phrase if he gets caught “with a dead girl or a live boy”. That’s about it, sadly.

  • why, oh why, can’t bush give someone a blowjob in the white house? it would make things so much easier.

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