Snow asks us to make a choice

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow made a comment yesterday — a series of comments, actually — that spoke volumes about how the Bush gang approach discourse on the war. Oddly enough, I’m thrilled to hear him make the remarks, because they help clarify the broader dynamic.

The context came in response to a question about Sen. Ted Kennedy’s proposal to require the president to get congressional authority before escalating the war in Iraq. Snow demurred, saying he hadn’t seen the proposal yet. So reporters made the question more general, asking about congressional Democrats using power of the purse to check the president’s authority. Snow said:

“Well, look, Democrats are going to have to make a choice here and they’re going to have to decide where they stand in terms of two issues: Number one, do you want Iraq to succeed, and, if so, what does that mean? And, number two, do you believe in supporting the troops as you say, and how do you express that support? Those are questions that will be answered in the process of public debate and also — and a lot of other considerations. So we’ll just have to see how it plays out.

“As you’ve seen, Bret, there is disagreement within both parties about how to proceed. But I think one of the unifying elements can be, when the President does lay out the way forward, it offers an opportunity for everybody to have a full and thoughtful debate about this.

It’s the White House pitch in a nutshell, as well as being a classic Bush gang smear. Disagree with us? You want to lose. Oppose escalation? You want to undermine the troops.

Dems are supposed to “make a choice here”? Snow may not be paying attention, but Dems already did. In a letter to the president on Friday, the top two members of Congress — Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid — explained their choice: it’s “time to bring the war to a close.” They chose to agree with military leaders who believe escalation “will only endanger more Americans and stretch our military to the breaking point for no strategic gain.” They chose to agree with the president’s position from a couple of months ago, that escalation “would undermine our efforts to get the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own future.” They chose to embrace a phased redeployment plan to be carried out over the next six months.

Their choice is straightforward: sending more thousands of troops into a civil war with a dubious plan is a recipe for disaster — or in this case, more disaster.

And Snow should spare us the nonsense about waiting until the president has finished laying out his plan before beginning the debate in earnest. For one thing, the White House has already indicated what the plan is. For another, if lawmakers wait before weighing in, they might be too late.

…Virginia Sen. John Warner said this afternoon that Democrats and Republicans should take a “timeout” before responding to the president’s plan for a new “way forward” in Iraq. “Let’s just give it a little time,” Warner said as he pushed for a period of “concentrated” congressional “study” of the president’s plan.

Tony Snow uttered similar words at the White House this afternoon, insisting that the president’s speech Wednesday night “is not the end of the debate” but rather “the beginning of an important consideration of how we move forward in Iraq….”

All of which sounds perfectly reasonable, at least until you get to this: A senior defense official tells MSNBC that, under the president’s plan — the plan that has taken the president the better part of four months to create — the first wave of additional U.S. troops will head for Iraq within the next three weeks.

Stay tuned.

The American people will stop Bush’s war. Enough said.

http://www.tedkennedy.com/page/s/ourdecision

  • I may be wrong here…but my guess is that the Decider’s plan will be more of the same.

    It’ll be “Stay the Course Plus” – the new and approved version of what we currently are doing but with more troops to referee Bagdad.

    If you look at what the neocons say is needed for an effective surge: 18-24 month evaluation period, ~30K new troops per year added to the Army and USMC, the president to ask Parents to sign their sons up to be sent to Iraq, leadership out of the Whitehouse to get the Nation on a “war footing”, national sacrifice, etc…. I just don’t see the Decider doing it. Its too hard. And its already hard enough being the President. How about just roll the dice one more time and hope for the best.

    Anyone picture the Decider and leading republicans canvasing the country to show up at high school career day asking 18 year olds to go to Iraq to support the 18th “New Way Forward”?

    Not me.

  • His speech will sound something like this:

    I would like to start this evening by reminding the nation that we were attacked. We were attacked on September 11, 2001….Saddam…Saddam bad…Saddam dead…

    Blah blah blah….N-E-W W-A-Y F-O-R-W-A-R-D….blah blah….fight them there, not here….I am confident that victory can be achieved…I would like to end this evening by reminding the nation that we were attacked. We were attacked on September 11, 2001….Goodnight.

  • The Dems do need to make a choice. They need to decide whether to follow the will of the American people, expressed in poll after poll and, most importantly, in elections last November.

    Then they need to make another choice: Impeachment trials for Richard Bruce Cheney and George Walker Bush, along with War Profiteering hearings for all their obscenely rich buddies.

  • For this delusional WH crowd, being in front of the curve on grave issues such as Iraq is not a priority. Merely smearing any potential opposition to their Iraq policy before, on, or after they take their sweet time announcing it will do. Craig Roberts, a former Reagan administration official is comparing Mr. Bush with Mr. Hitler on a libertarian blog. Mr. Bush, it seems, is standing in political quicksand. His televised speech tonight may not help him. Too many Americans are now discovering his penchant to be stubborn, and are not impressed. I see a slogan campaign coming for us. It reads: JUST SAY NO TO PRES. BUSH. Put it on your car’s bumper, and demand impeachment procedings begin! -Kevo

  • Can the Democrats “defund” the 100,000 private American contractor personnel in Iraq by terminating their employers’ government contracts, thereby continuing the funding for the military troops for their withdrawal expenses?

  • Bush’s plan is maintain the facade of “doing something” about the mess he created in Iraq just long enough to run out the clock. After his misbegotten term in office is up he’s going to get outta Dodge and dump the mess into the next administration’s lap. Some leader.

    He thinks another 11, 000 troops will be enough to “put a lid” on the situation in Baghdad. Bullshit. And what about the rest of the country? Violence in areas outside of Baghdad is as bad or worse than Baghdad itself. How about all those mercenaries? What is their role in all of this?

    The American people are beyond being sick of all of this.

  • Also, you don’t need to give Sen. Warner the “timeout” he is asking for. The PEOPLE are planning a nationwide vigil against Bush’s escalation plans within 24 hours of his speech.

    Sign up and go to your nearest event at http://www.americasaysno.org. Or take pictures of such events and e-mail it to local media…

  • timpanist

    The mercenaries are the “hidden army”, nearly doubling the number of US forces in the region. When THAT’s taken into the equation, GW has almost twice the number of troops than official counts show us. If he hasn’t “won” with a double army (about 240,000 of them including the contractors), what difference will 20,000 more troops make?

  • In the Omaha World Herald this morning, the AG of the Nebraska Natoinal Guard (70% of whose troops have already served in Iraq and Afghanistan) stated that the NG would need at least six months to be ready to support and sustain any surge in Iraq.

    Even the military is asking Bush “Yeah? You and what army?”

  • Tony Baloney Snowjob: “when the President does lay out the way forward, it offers an opportunity for everybody to have a full and thoughtful debate about this.”

    And we all know how well Bush listens when there’s a debate going on! But really, it’s awful nice of him to offer this “opportunity” for us, I thought we were never going to get permission to have a debate!

    Can the American people join the debate too? Oh wait, WE DID.

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    What brian said: Anyone picture the Decider and leading republicans canvasing the country to show up at high school career day asking 18 year olds to go to Iraq to support the 18th “New Way Forward”?

    Not me.

    Me neither. For all the talk about how “bold” or “courageous” Bush is for ignoring the will of American people, he’s really a coward. What ever happened to Bush the cowboy? Real men would explain how important the war is, then a) raise taxes to pay for the war (rather than make our kids pay for it) and b), like brian says, ask the American people to send more kids to defend America.

    If Bush can’t bring himself to ask the general public (and his base in particular) to sacrifice anything, then he knows this isn’t a war to save America or her true interests. So he’s either a coward or he’s full of shit.

    Or both.

    Bush is raising your kid’s taxes. The bill for Iraq is already $300 billion. And he can’t bear to ask today’s rich people to pony up another CENT for the war.

    Priorities.

  • Okay … I’ve been thinking about this whole thing for a while, and it’s one line by Snow that shows just how wrong all of this is:

    Number one, do you want Iraq to succeed, and, if so, what does that mean?

    Of course, there’s one question that every … single … reporter … should ask Tony or Bush at every possible opportunity:

    What, exactly, is “success” to them?

    I’m sorry, but a “free and democratic Iraq” doesn’t count. Why? Because the notion of “Iraq” as a country is nothing more than an artificial construct placed upon the divergent groups in the area by colonial powers. No one sees themselves as “Iraqis,” they see themselves as Shia, or Sunni, or Kurdish.

    To expect them to all get together, hold hands, and sing joyous Sustaining Songs around a campfire every evening is clinically fucking insane. It won’t happen. And anyone who had spent 10 minutes with The Google would’ve known that a long, long time ago.

    So when Snow puts forth his usual air of superiority by suggesting that adding 20K—hell, even 100K more troops—is somehow going to make everything rosy is also clinically fucking insane.

    It’s also not a “strategy.” It’s a tactic.

    You see, the usual steps of any military plan — as described to me by a good friend and retired Army Colonel who served in Bosnia and was in the Pentagon during 9/11 — are thus (in a very distilled sense, and in descending order):

    1. Goal
    2. Strategy
    3. Tactics

    The problem with this ENTIRE war is that they’ve focused on #3, without ever (in any way, shape or form) describing or showing any interest whatsoever in #2 (insert poop joke here) and by having an unrealistic view of #1.

    We know it, the Colonel knows it, and a blind monkey flinging feces at the Kansas City Zoo probably knows it by now (to keep with the #2 reference).

    Yet Bush, Cheney, and the rest of them don’t.

    And that’s why any notion of “success” went out the window a long, long time ago.

  • Damn … sorry for the above long post. I got going there, didn’t I?

    One more thing, though …

    We currently only control 3 of 18 provinces. How in the holy hell is putting 20,000 more troops in Baghdad going to resolve the issues in the other 14 areas?

    Is it a trickle down idea, where if the capitol is safe, all others will follow? Or am I missing something else? Seriously …

  • Which lie are we supposed to believe, Tony? The one you told us last week, the one you told us yesterday, or the one you’re telling us today?

  • Tony Snow is a true American Patriot. The sacrifice he has made in support of this war should make us all proud. Do you have any idea how much a press secretary makes? It’s a lot less than Fox news anchors.

    Librul demoncRATS make me sick. Why do you hate America and the troops so much. Go make love to Osama in his hippie cave.

  • Anyone picture the Decider and leading republicans canvasing the country to show up at high school career day asking 18 year olds to go to Iraq to support the 18th “New Way Forward”?
    ———————————————————————brian

    No—because they’ve been sending their recruiting-bots into the high schools, and the vo-ed schools, and the college dormitories, for just over three years now. They didn’t ramp up the sales-pitch after 9/11; they ramped it up in late 2003, when the first “we’re not winning this thing—are we?” comments started biting Bush in the ass. After all, why do your own dirty work, when you can send a poster-pod?

    What this country needs is for people who want this war ended to go into those high schools, and ve-ed schools, and college dormitories—and convince the kids to do just one little thing:

    Say No to Mr. Bush’s War.

    Every American youth who refrains from enlisting is one less who can spend the rest of his life showing off the little chunk of metal he got in return for the arm(s) and/or leg(s) he left behind on some nameless street. Every American youth who refrains from enlisting is one less who gets a free chance to come home in a nice, shiny, flag-draped coffin. Every American youth who refrains from enlisting is one less “comma.”

    It is also the one, singular act that the Reich’s “Trogladyte Spin” cannot undo—and the Reactionary Right knows it—and they don’t address the issue, because they are afraid of it….

  • Don’t let Tony Snow constantly frame the solution to this conflict as a military issue. It’s not. The solution rests squarely in the realm of the political. The Bush Adminstration refuses to get involved in the solution because that would mean talking to folks they don’t like, or who don’t like them, and compromising on issues. Bush is incapable of compromise and would rather spill other people’s blood than to lose what he covets. W hides his personal weakness behind the strength of our military, what’s left of it. Bush’s “personal cham” is what has gotten him out of messes in the past. But the aw-shucks affable loser bit works in Texas, but it doesn’t work with Muslims.

    The questions that Tony needs, to ask, or should be asked of Tony, is what is Bush personally and diplomatically doing to end and win this conflict?

  • 2MANCHU (#10) makes a good point. Beyond the good/bad, right/wrong debate, there’s the question of who these 20,000 troops are. Have they been whiling away their time at Fort Cheney, just waiting to embark? I don’t think so.

    The fact is that the army is in wretched condition — especially alarming considered it WON a war in only a month. Equipment is broken down, training is lacking, and a cohesive force is becoming a rabble. One of my former soccer players has been deployed to Iraq/Afghanistan FIVE times. A friend’s daughter, who has friends in a NG artillery unit, found that they had all been converted to infantry. (Somehow this insanity is “supporting the troops.”)

    The primary strategy of guerrilla warfare is to wear the enemy down, and we’re being worn down. And worn down by a low grade civil war in a country that wasn’t worth invading in the first place.

    Who’s deploying next? The Volksturm? Old men and kids?

  • “considering” not “considered.” Sorry about the mistake. It’s what happens when one tries to follow Tony Snow’s logic.

  • Dayum! Is there a Koufax Award for best single blog entry including comments?

    All I can add is Snowflakes’ talk about “debate” is either utter crap or one more sign that Bush is a blood-thirsty psycho.

    I suspect that on Thursday the White House will respond to any attempts to “debate” by shrieking that there’s no time for debate, we have to act right this very second or all of the oil – er – peace loving people of Iraq will be destroyed.

    If the White House does agree there is time for debate (and hasn’t Bush taken his sweet time about finding his “new way forward”?) this implies that it really isn’t that concerned about what is going on in Iraq and is quite content to let people get on with the business of being blown up.

    Tin foil hat question: Am I the only one who wonders if the sudden uptick of fighting “insurgents” in Iraq is PR driven? As I always wonder when I hear an “insurgent” has been shot: How do they know it was an insurgent and not just some guy with a gun? Do they wear decoder rings?

  • A senior defense official tells MSNBC that, under the president’s plan — the plan that has taken the president the better part of four months to create — the first wave of additional U.S. troops will head for Iraq within the next three weeks. — CB

    Three weeks? We wish! Look at the Reuters’ update (via TP):

    NBC News reports that President Bush will announce an escalation of 21,500 troops — 17,500 to Baghdad and 4,000 to Anbar province. The cost of the new strategy will be $6.8 billion.

    UPDATE: Reuters reports, “The first wave of troops are expected to arrive in five days, with others coming in additional waves. Under the plan, the Iraqi government will deploy additional Iraqi troops to Baghdad with a first brigade deploying February 1 and two more by February 15.”

    Can we, please, just lock up Bu..sh… and Deadeye Dick *right now*? We can sort out the charges later (a la Gitmo), once the Congress has finished deliberating on what it can/wannot wants/doesn’t want to do. But talk about caps etc is gonna be way too late for the poor SOBs who are being shipped out into the meat grinder now.

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