Snow speaks

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow has an op-ed in USA Today presenting a defense for the president’s commutation of Scooter Libby’s prison sentence. He didn’t get a lot of space — 382 words isn’t much — but before a White House spokesperson publishes a piece like this in a national newspaper, it has to be vetted by the counsel’s office, the political affairs office, the communications office, and the press office.

In other words, Snow’s piece should be the best argument(s) the White House has to offer. And if that’s the case, the Bush gang really hasn’t been able to think of much. Let’s dig in, shall we?

Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice and perjury; was fined $250,000; must serve two years probation; and will likely lose his license to practice law. That qualifies as a stern penalty for a first-time offender with a long history of public service.

Libby may not have to pay the fine himself; the law says that “supervised release” can only follow an actual prison sentence, so Libby may not get two years probation; and according to federal sentencing guidelines, his penalty was anything but “stern.”

The Constitution gives the president the power to grant clemency in a wide range of cases, at his discretion, with no restrictions. In the final hours of the Clinton administration, this unfettered authority was embodied in a mad rush to push through pardons with dizzying haste — 141 grants on Clinton’s final day in office, part of 211 in the final nine weeks.

Tony Snow managed to wait until the second paragraph to say, “Clinton did it!” Let’s all applaud Snow’s impressive restraint. He only got six paragraphs to make his case, and he devoted one of them to an irrelevant tangent.

[Bush] believes pardons and commutations should reflect a genuine determination to strengthen the rule of law and increase public faith in government.

Can’t…type…laughing…too…hard….

Many analysts cleverly avoid grappling with either of these issues, and instead try to analyze the commutation as a raw political exercise. That sort of analysis is off-base. The president was not motivated by politics in making this decision.

No, of course not. What ever could have given us that idea? The president who has issued fewer pardons and commutations than any modern president just happened to take an interest in this case because he was outraged by a prison sentence that falls well within Justice Department guidelines. It had nothing to do with Libby’s role in Bush’s White House and the fact that Libby apparently lied to protect Bush and Cheney. No, no politics here at all.

Instead, he did what he does normally, and what makes those of us who work for him proud.

Normally? The president routinely spends weeks and weeks mulling over commutation applications that haven’t even been filed?

Faiz added, “Indeed, Bush did what he does routinely, showcasing once again his ‘principle’ of rewarding incompetence and malfeasance from unethical staff for carrying out the White House’s horrendous decisions.”

If this op-ed is the best the White House has got, they’ve got nothing.

I hope Tony self-combusts some day from all the lies that he tells.

  • well of course they got nothing.

    well, other than the support of the sorts of people who determine what our media discourse on politics comprises.

    the simple fact that we never hear the phrase “obstruction of justice” used with respect to this obstruction of justice is quite telling.

    as is the fact that snow and the rest of the usual gang of clods and idiots make no effort to explain what is “excessive” about prison time.

    as is the fact that bush has now made a complete hash of his own administration’s position on sentencing.

  • I’m quite annoyed that CNN has let the Libby case vanish from its headlines, except for an analysis which says, “Hypocrisy abounds on all sides…”. A snippet:

    “What about all those Democrats who thought public shame was punishment enough for Clinton lying under oath, basically the position adopted today by Libby’s supporters? Many of those Democrats now think Libby should go to jail for his perjury.”

    Why is it so hard for these idiots to understand that the reason for the discrepancy in Democrat’s views is that the nature of the lies were completely different? Clinton lied about a (non-criminal) consensual affair; Libby lied about a serious breach in national security, which was almost certainly criminal. Punishments vary for any criminal act, and they always take into account the seriousness of the offense. Ron Fournier is either dishonest or an idiot if he doesn’t understand that.

    Hypocrisy is demonstrated by Republicans, who pushed hard for Clinton to go to jail over lies about his personal life, now think that Libby’s lies about national security are no big deal.

  • Just to get the discussion started, does anyone have a link to a reasonably unbiased analysis of Clinton’s pardons? 140 does sound like a lot, but is that large by historical standards? I’m simply asking because I was a little busy during those years (grad school) and didn’t follow what was going on.

    So, no, I’m not looking for ad hominem attacks or other bilge from Tom Cleaver. Thank you very much.

  • “Just to get the discussion started, does anyone have a link to a reasonably unbiased analysis of Clinton’s pardons? ”

    Just for comparison, take a look at the list:

    http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardonspres1.htm

    In terms of overall clemency, Clinton isn’t the worst, but he’s not the best either. And I for one believe the W.H. Harrison would have been a terror on the Presidential pardons, if he hadn’t died so early!

    “So, no, I’m not looking for ad hominem attacks…”

    Darn! I was going to call you a ‘stupid-head’… 🙂

  • Here’s a link to statistic for all pardons issued by Presidents Truman to Clinton.

    Clinton did a huge flurry at the end of his term, but he had been lax about them for the previous 7 years. He did almost exactly the same amount at Reagan. Ford did almost the same amount in his 2.5 years as Reagan and Clinton did in their 8. (just under 400).

    Jimmy Carter went way beyond them, doing over 500 in his 4 years alone, while Bush I in four years did less than 100 — he was stingy.

    From Nixon on back there were a *lot* more pardons granted.

    Nothing wrong with the number of Clinton’s when you look historically. Other than the Marc Rich pardon, were there any other “problematic” ones, and how do any other Presidents fare in terms of “problematic” pardons.

  • [Bush] believes pardons and commutations should reflect a genuine determination to strengthen the rule of law and increase public faith in government.

    Funny, I believe that too. Too bad that didn’t happen in this case. Neither the strengthening of the rule of law, nor the increase in public faith in government.

  • Gee Astrogeek, I guess now that you are out of school, you still are unable to take the time to do a google search and find information. What’s the hold up now?

    Here, I managed to type a search in google for you and get the information. http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm

    I’ll refrain from my “ad hominem attacks” as well. (Although I still would giggle if Snowjob burst into flames one day during a press conference.)

  • A couple of questions I wish reporter would ask Snowjob:

    Would you say the PResident is following Bill Clinton’s lead in pardoning Libby?

    Does this mean the President condones Clinton’s behaviour?

    If they’re going to use Clinton Did It! as an excuse they should have to explain why they are imitating the great DemocRAT Satan.

    [Bush] believes pardons and commutations should reflect a genuine determination to strengthen the rule of law and increase public faith in government.

    BushBrat’s rules, BushBrat’s laws. Faith here means the blind faith of the Talevangical church member handing over his last dollar to a guy in a $5,000 suit.

    Thanks Tony, the money’s on the dresser, remember to leave by the back door.

  • gg, the other annoying point you allude to is the difference between “lying under oath” (as clinton did) and “perjury.”

    “perjury” must be material.

    clinton lied about an irrelevant side issue not germane to the paula jones lawsuit on which he was giving his deposition, therefore it was non-material, therefore he didn’t commit “perjury.”

    libby, on the other hand, lied in a material way, which is why he was convicted of actual perjury and obstruction.

    it’s as if the cnn asswipe thought that if i punch someone in the nose (assault) and if i shoot at someone with a gun (assault with a deadly weapon), these must be the same crime, since there was an “assault” in both cases.

    the astrogeek, why is the number of pardons relevant? what matters are the circumstances; despite all the howling at the time, only one clinton pardon actually had problematic circumstances, that of marc rich, and even there, clinton’s pardon was only for the federal crime and rich came back to america where he could actually be charged (i’ve never seen whether he was convicted) by new york state.

    meanwhile, bush “commuted” this sentence before libby even served a day, and did so with an argument that makes a complete hash of his own administration’s position on sentencing.

    there’s nothing comparable about the two, just as there’s nothing comparable about “lying under oath” and “perjury” as criminal behavior.

  • The sister in comment # 1 says: I hope Tony self-combusts some day from all the lies that he tells.

    –> He already is… it’s called cancer… and he can try whatever he wants, he’s eventually gonna die from it.

  • Well, I am soooo…oooo disappointed that he did not use the phrase no underlying crime.

    So far not a word from Bush – how sorry he is that an employee of his gov’mint compromised a National Security Asset, wrecked a career and seriously jeopardized our ability to gather intelligence about WMD in the ME.

    What’s that about a legacy?

  • Normally? The president routinely spends weeks and weeks mulling over commutation applications that haven’t even been filed?

    Beautiful.

    Like a razor to the throat of this ridiculous argument.

    Bravo, CB.

  • Bruno – my father died of cancer and it was horrible, so I certainly don’t wish that on anyone (my bursting into flames comments are somewhat tongue-in-cheek). That being said, there is some merit to your comment. People under a great deal of stress from living with a lie, or having to contort their behavior to meet someone else’s needs can make themselves ill. I’m sure Tony’s not doing himself any favors by continuing to support this administration.

  • Sister,
    Tony Snow was (as I’m sure you recall) a Fox News commentator and host (including as a sub for Bill O’Reilly.) He is the perfect spokesperson for this administration because he’s already demonstrated in both venues his total apathy towards truth.

    People who don’t care whether they lie or not don’t take stress home with them. It’s possible you give Snow credit beyond what he deserves when you suggest that stress from his lying will affect his health.

  • Snowjob: [Bush] did what he does normally, and what makes those of us who work for him proud. He proceeded on the basis of principle, and arrived at a sound and just decision — knowing he would take hits in the court of public opinion, but also knowing he was doing the right thing.

    He forgot to spell the word “right” with a capital R. The sentence is almost completely true with that minor revision. Bush did what he does “normally”, which is pander to the wingnuts. He made the people who work for him proud, because all he has working for him are wingnuts. He “proceeded on the basis of principle”, the “principle” being Cover Cheney’s Ass. The part about “sound and just” decisions is hogwash to 80% of America, but not to the wingnuts. And taking hits in the court of public opinion is just what you have to do when your only remaining support comes from a painfully stupid group of people who still believe Iraq attacked us on 9/11.

    Bush did the Right thing. He almost always does.

  • Mr. Snow fails to address the claim that Mr. Bush commuted the sentence because of the very real possibility that Mr. Libby in prison would finally reveal what he knew of Plamegate. In other words, Mr. Bush’s act was itself a means to obstruct justice. I would like reporters to ask Mr. Snow if that was in fact the real reason.

  • Howard wrote: ““perjury” must be material.”

    Perfectly put. Libby’s lies were pretty much ‘textbook materially relevant’, whereas Clinton’s lies were only material in that the charges he faced and the questions he answered were both about that bugaboo of the right, SEX!!!

    Fournier’s article also fails to point out that apparently the United States is chock full of hypocrites, since most people were strong supporters of Clinton even after his lies, but are also strongly against the Libby pardon (I’m going to keep calling it a pardon, since that’s effectively what it is).

    Or maybe most people could reasonably see themselves lying about their sex life, but couldn’t reasonably see themselves covering up a huge breach in national security.

  • I wish the press corpse could be secretly replaced with actual journalists. Their reaction to Tony Snow’s antics would be uproarious laughter, and that might just wake up a few people.

    If each question was peppered with the sardonic laughter which would be appropriate, the Whitehouse “press conferences” would be a lot more realistic:

    “Ha ha, oh my god, ha, seriously, Tony, Heh, do you expect anyone to believe that Bush doesn’t make decisions like this for political reasons?” (crowd of reporters laughs for 30 seconds) “And do you expect us to believe that Libby wasn’t kept out of jail to reward him for being loyal?” (more laughter) “Do you expect us to believe that Bush won’t pardon him eventually and that Libby’s friends won’t pony up to pay the fine?” (More laughter). “How dumb do you think the American people are?” (Roaring laughter)

  • “I would like reporters to ask Mr. Snow if that was in fact the real reason.”

    “I wish the press corpse could be secretly replaced with actual journalists.”

    As long as we’re wishing for things we’re never gonna get, I’d like a real-life Transformer as my personal chauffeur/bodyguard… Sigh.

  • By definition there is no defense for the indefensible. Reporters can ask as many questions as they want and they’re not going to get a satisfying answer.

  • gg,

    Or maybe most people could reasonably see themselves lying about their sex life, but couldn’t reasonably see themselves covering up a huge breach in national security.

    I think most people could see themselves lying about both instances. However, I think the more interesting point is how others would perceive the significance and correctness of such behavior. One is about a private matter that does not compromise our national security; the other is about a public matter than does compromise our national security. I think that difference is pretty key here.

  • hy·poc·ri·sy [hi-pok-ruh-see]
    –noun, plural -sies.
    1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
    2. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
    3. an act or instance of hypocrisy.
    4. [Bush] believes pardons and commutations should reflect a genuine determination to strengthen the rule of law and increase public faith in government.

  • #11 TAIO: “A couple of questions I wish reporter would ask Snowjob:
    Would you say the PResident is following Bill Clinton’s lead in pardoning Libby?
    Does this mean the President condones Clinton’s behaviour?”

    From today’s gaggle:
    REPORTER: Tony, why do you … in your op-ed today you brought up the Clinton pardons, as well. Do two wrongs make a right? Is that the idea, like if Clinton did wrong …

    SNOW: Well, this is … no, this is not a wrong…

    Hope that answers your question.
    Snow continued:
    …but I think what is interesting is perhaps it was just because he was on his way out, but while there was a small flurry, there was not much investigation of it.

    What I think is interesting is that Snow doesn’t mention that there were in fact Congressional hearings into Clinton’s end-of-term pardons. I wonder how many more there could’ve been to turn it into “much” investigation.

  • Gore came up with another concise explanation of why the Libby case is different from the Rich case:

    “It’s different because in this case the person involved is charged with activities that involved knowledge of what his superiors in the White House did,” Gore said on NBC’s “Today” show Thursday.

    I think that’s a lovely way to put it. Every time you explain the difference, make sure you’re pointing at least one finger up the chain of command.

  • I’m with Sister@#1. Seriously, why hasn’t there been an outbreak of spontaneous human combustion in DC? (And please God, let it be on the TV)Preferably on Timmeh’s show. Why aren’t their heads imploding from the abject hypocricy of the last 12 years? And why in the hell isn’t the WhiteHouse press room peopled with, well, actual people? Are there no sentient beings in Washington any more? This WH spins so much, I’m actually suprised they haven’t propelled themselves out of orbit.

    Once again, all I can do is shake my head and say SHEESH.

    And as a personal aside, as a single woman I would always expect any man to lie about our sexual relationship, it’s nobodys bidness, EVAH. Whcih is what Clinton should have told Ken Starr.

  • It’s bad when Snow feels he has to write an op-ed to defend Bush’s actions. Too hard to handle the questions in person so now he refers us to his op ed. No matter what is said we know why Bush commuted Libby’s jail sentence. Bush’s own history as Governor of Texas proves this is totally out of character for him to do for the reasons Snow gives. What’s funny is that everyone already knows why Bush did this yet we are just amazed at watching him lie and come up with justifications for his actions and then try to make us believe them even to the point of attacking his critics as cover fire.
    Every day we live in fear of our president…of what he might do next.

  • Yup…a bunch of liberals patting each other on the back. This is brilliant dialogue. Funny how you can talk about lying under oath without putting your buddy Bill into the mix.

    Face it….these guys have power. They will use — and abuse — it however they will.

  • Why aren’t their heads imploding from the abject hypocricy of the last 12 years?

    [Dee Lorelei]

    All BushBot heads come in one of two models:

    – Hermetically sealed to keep in the talking points and keep out harmful stimuli (facts). So long as the pressure of the talking points on the inside (maintained by chanting said talking points at least once a day) is greater than or equal to the pressure of the facts on the outside, they’re safe.

    – Packed solid with shit. This is the model favoured by the upper echelons of the ReThuglican party. It allows them to spew out crap without referring to anyone else. The shit is constantly renewed by re-interpreting (spinning) unwelcome stimuli. Why do you think people like McCainiac and Gingrich have such lumpy melons? The cool thing is, if these guys suffer head implosion the streets of DC will be littered with diamonds created by the pressure.

  • Re: tAiO @ #32
    …if these guys suffer head implosion the streets of DC will be littered with diamonds created by the pressure.

    LOL

    I thought that they were all programmed by Krazy Karl Rove on the NSA-compliant Windows Vista platform.

  • I think the number of pardons is irrelevant.
    Marc Rich was represented by Attorney Scooter Libby laying out the case for his pardon, so please don’t tell me that Republicans honestly have a problem with the Rich pardon.

    The important question is, How many Presidents have pardoned people from their own adminstration who were breaking the law for that very administration?
    Two, Bush I and Bush II.

    In addition, it’s not even a valid comparsion between “lying under oath” and perjury.
    Ken Starr took his case to a Federal Grand Jury and his charges were all thrown out.

    So Ken Starr took his case to the GOP Congress.

    Pat Fitzgerald took his charges to a Federal Grand Jury and Libby was indicted on every single charge. Then he was actually convicted on four out of five, setenced to prison and actually given a number — #2830016.

    And so Scooter Libby took his case to the GOP President.

    The way about 20% of our nation — The Ever Loyal Bushies — can still defend The Worst President Ever just gags me.

  • Hey Jan….

    Loyality to a US President? Should I be loyal to a foreign president until a dem is elected? Naw…I think I’ll keep my loyalities here at home.

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