So simple, it just might fail

Earlier this week, after the president vetoed Congress’ war-funding bill, Democratic leaders posed a challenge to the president and other war supporters: come up with a policy.

“If the president thinks by vetoing this bill he will stop us from working to change the direction of the war in Iraq, he is mistaken,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said. He added, “Now he has an obligation to explain his plan to responsibly end this war.”

As it happens, war supporters do have a plan to end the war. As Glenn Greenwald noted, a group of Bush backers have even formed a new organization with former Sen. Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) to promote their policy. It’s called “We Win. They Lose.” In this case, that’s the group and the policy.

Here is the group’s founding declaration, as articulated in a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

Congress has passed and President Bush has vetoed H.R. 1591, the Iraq Surrender Act of 2007.

This legislation, which you worked to pass, sets a timetable for surrender. It pulls the rug out from under our troops. That is shameful and wrong.

Your actions have already emboldened the enemy. Violent jihadists now know that the elected leadership of Congress would undermine the troops by holding their funding hostage to demands for surrender.

This Congress would bring us back to the dark days of the 1970s, when the world doubted our staying power. Except only much worse. Withdraw in April 2008, and on May 1, Iraq becomes an unchecked den of terrorism at the heart of the Middle East — a new base for the same people that struck our homeland on September 11th.

I stand with our troops. I stand for victory. I support the President’s veto and will urge my representatives to vote to sustain it.

There can be one and only one outcome in Iraq: We win, they lose.

I regret to report that this isn’t a joke.

I visited the group’s website to take a closer look at exactly what the organization’s war policy includes. I quickly realized this is a waste of time — there is no policy. There are no details. Nothing is fleshed out. The policy is “we win; they lose.” Their letter to Pelosi is the entirety of their message.

In other words, while policy makers in Washington work on formulating some kind of effective strategy for the future, these guys — including several leading conservative bloggers and the former Majority Leader of the U.S. Senate — have come up with a bumper-sticker slogan, which they believe is all anyone needs to know.

Glenn had some of the same questions I did.

One might point out that Iraq is a somewhat complex country, with seemingly endless inter-sectarian and intra-sectarian tensions and centuries of conflicts, shifting allegiances and competing agendas. But all you need to know is “We Win. They Lose.” Among the incessantly unclear matters in that Brave Doctrine are (a) what “win” means, (b) who the “they” are, and (c) what it means when “they lose,” but let’s not have such petulant and defeatist nuances detain us.

I’d love to get a sense of the right’s reaction to these questions, but I’m afraid they’ve been reduced to soundbite-only discourse. Their preferred phrases — cut and run, defeatist, surrender, we win, they lose — are no longer than three syllables, but they have nothing to add to the discussion. Apparently, if it’s not a shallow platitude, it’s not worth saying.

It brings us back to where we were earlier this week with Rep. John Shimkus (R-Ill.) comparing the crisis in Iraq to a Cubs/Cardinals baseball game, and his analysis that the only way to “win” is to stay on the field.

All of these people are hopelessly confused. The fact that they’ve come to dominate the Republican imagination is truly frightening.

I think you are being pretty generous in saying that “these people are hopelessly confused.” What comes to my mind is “these people are [complete idiots].” I’m sure that our boys and girls on the ground in Iraq will be comfitted by the fact that our strategy is now “We Win, They Lose.” In fact, if you think about it, isn’t this kind of disheartening? I mean, if we have just come around to our strategy being to win, what the heck have been doing the last 4 years?

  • Leave them to it. Cheer them on. The Republicans, while they don’t really believe it, are crossing their fingers and hoping somehow the war — and Bush — will suddenly go away.

    A few Republicans are jumping ship. Others, like Frist and his merry men are tying themselves to the anchor and will go down with the ship.

  • I have to say, What a Great Stance to Have!

    Now then, I look forward to their next declaration: We Believe So Much in This War That We Are All Going to Our Nearest Army/ Marine Recruiter to Enlist!

    Oh, right… 101st Fighting Keyboardists and all that…

  • Sounds like the title of a really bad action movie with about the same simplistic plot.

    Couldn’t they have come up with something more nuanced like:

    “They’re the disease and we’re the cure.”
    “Faster Pussycat Frist Kill Kill Kill.”
    “In politics, no one can believe you think.”

  • These are the same people who won the Vietnam war by watching Chuck Norris movies. It’s a scary indightment of American education. If you can’t win the reality, then create your own fantasy.

  • Hey, it works. You don’t need plans or anything. All you need to succeed in life is a very general goal and a positive attitude. I myself just decided to become the leading money-making blogger on the internets, and it worked. I’ve just made a million dollars, and I only started my new policy a few minutes ago and don’t even have advertising! This is great. I sure wish they told us about this sooner.

    Oh, and does this mean that they’ve had a “They kill, we tie” policy for the past few years? Might it have been a better idea to have instituted this new policy at the beginning of the war, or did they think that such a plan would undermine the inevitable success they had assumed would happen? Whatever it is, I’m glad to see they finally came up with something.

  • Interesting they skip over the whole 90s when it was ok to give timetables and “micro manage” “wars”. Then again IOKIYAR.

  • Isn’t that pretty much the same plan we had when this mess started?

    Why not call it “Stay the Course”?

  • New entry in their blog, if you missed it.
    They’re soliciting funds to equip the troops with pixie dust and magic wands. “We win, they lose.” ***pif!***

    If that doesn’t work, THEN they’ll come up with a policy.

  • What evidence do these buttheads have that our staying in Iraq has brought us any closer to “winning”? If they’d only listen to the commander guy, they’d know that the real problem is that we haven’t been shopping hard enough. Scorch that VISA!

  • is this anything like the wizard of oz? if dorothy says “we win they lose” often enough our troops get to come home?

  • The “www.wewintheylose.com” website will display the “Name” of anyone who fills out their form. Here’s a sample:

    304. Duke Cunningham
    324. These People Are Morons
    325. Amanda Huggnkiss
    326. Chickenhawks Unite
    327. Got No Plan?

    http://www.wewintheylose.com/bloggers.php

    Have fun!

  • Racerx–
    There’s a new one:

    353. Hugh Jorgan

    Now what smartass would do such a thing … ?

    **insert evil laugh here**

    These folks are so stupid they didn’t even include an email verification — they just opened themselves up to a whole heap of hilarity.

    Someone needs to inform every liberal blogger and flood that site with snark …

  • Oh, and as a bonus, did anyone else see that you can embed a message on your own blog from these clowns?

    I should have copied it, but it goes great with last night’s nutjob debate — the “We win. They lose” is actually a line from …

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    Ronald Reagan!

    I about soiled myself from laughing so hard …

  • Racerx, I signed on as: (First name) “We’re complete”
    (Last name) “Fucking Morons”, but it hasn’t appeared on the list, yet. I’ll wait to see if it does.

    Thanks for the link.

  • Buzzmon (#15): I signed as Please Enlist Now!, linking to the US Army’s homepage.

    Isn’t this the exact sort of methodology these types denigrate, i.e., petitions and other grassroots movements?

  • Extremists usually do the level-head big favors. They make normality seem so much more… normal. It’s really not necessary to dignify their outburst with any kind of response. Best just to let them trumpet away, and welcome everyone they scare in our direction. They really are doing us a good turn.

    Having said that, I admit it is quite irresistible to have a go at picking them apart. Their ‘declaration’ speaks only to the lowest common denominator of base emotion. It’s childishly, impetuously disturbed and can only possibly resonate with the most boorish and primitive elements in society. That there are such elements is well known but, troublesome and embarrassing though they may be, they a very small minority. I really think it is not worth losing sleep over them.

    The best, simple response is BuzzMon’s and CastorTroy’s : “You feel that way? OK, prove it — enlist.”

  • oh you people are so bad! evil, simply evil! just wait until all of those right-wing bloggers get ahold of you! 🙂

  • Oops! — Hadn’t read the last bunch of responses. Could have saved some typing skin. P E R F E C T !!!

  • I signed up as the “Jack Abramoff, America’s Sweetheart” blog and linked to my very critical post about Tom DeLay. That was fun!

  • Focality – you were on for a while, but Please Enlist Now has been removed.
    ChickenHawks? More like chickensh*ts.

    Great work, folks. Let’s keep them busy.

  • Buzzmon-I guess they don’t support the troops? If not, then how do “we win, they lose?”

    I’m adding some right now because I really, really, really want to win so they can lose.

  • Saddam Hussein has even come back from the grave to support them!

    Whee – what fun on a crappy Friday!

  • An awful lot of people in our country believe that the life-is-like-sports analogy is the ONLY valid way to look at life. That’s a very big problem in our society.

  • Another few names to add to the list : Jack Meyerhoffer (thanks Bill O’ via KO) and E.N. List

  • You know, after thinking about it, the Kansas City Royals should try this strategy. All they have to do is walk out on the field, yell “We win! You lose!” and then go home.

    A 162-0 regular season record and sweeps in the playoffs and World Series would be sweet …

    (Just had to keep in line with the sports analogies these nutcases love so much.)

  • Ron Theraygun
    U. P. Squint
    Allen List
    George Orwell
    Tony Baloney
    Batty Bush
    Georgie Porgie
    Uloos Wewin
    Humpty Dumpty

    HELP ! I can’t stop..

  • Hmmm Let’s carry the baseball analogy a little further. The Kansas City Royals (or St. Louis Cardinals, if you prefer), couldn’t just say “We win, you lose.” They would have to stay the course on the field until it actually occurred, just as we are doing in Iraq now.

    So, let’s say that after 5 innings, the Royals were tied with their enemy (umm…NY Yankees? They’re everyone’s enemy, right?) zero to zero. Okay, they are going to stay the course. But of course by the 7th inning, they were down 3-0. Keep sluggin’, little Royals. Ninth inning rolls around, but the Royals are down 5-1…cut and run? No way!! Play on! They’re not leaving until they win!! It’s the only option. So, by the 13th inning its Yanks 10, Royals 2. 18th inning: Yanks 15, Royals 7…hey! we’re making progress…..24th inning Yanks 18, Royals 8…keep going…hey, we better call up some more players from the minor’s as most of our guys have been rotated through….

    you get the picture…

  • Tinker Bell says: Clap harder for vict’ry!!!!!1

    Dimwits.

    And they still haven’t, far as I can tell, actually come up with a working (or workable) definition for what victory might look like.

  • Gridlock —
    What makes you think it’d take the Yankees that long to score 18 runs? Have you seen the Royals bullpen in action?

    🙂

  • Oh, if Bill Frist is involved I bet he looked at some videotape of Iraq and determined that we are winning. Another succesful video diagnosis for Bill!

    I’ve heard of Monday morning quarterbacking, but these guys are Monday morning generals … same bad commentary from the safety of their La-z-boy recliners. I agree with the other posters who think that the plan for the we win you losers should be “then get yer ass over there and kill some bad guys yourselves.”

    And somebody needs to tell John Shimkus that some Democrats obviously got involved in the game of baseball because games end after the bottom of the ninth and the whole point of the game is that it doesn’t drag on forever. The team down at the end of nine innings doesn’t get to prolong the game indefintely just by staying on the field forever.

  • Hey! How come “John Cocktoston” isn’t on there?

    Funny how they quote Reagan.

    Is that the same Reagan that signed away the West’s nuclear deterrent when he allowed the removal and destruction of the US’s Ground Launched Cruise Missiles and Pershing II IRBMs with the INF treaty?

    And who wanted to share SDI with the Evil Empire?

  • How about “We won; it’s their war now.”

    Why can’t we take “mission accomplished” and make them stick to it?

  • How about adding “Frist Enlist”?

    Hannah, not wanting to do it herself…

  • First class irresponsible and reckless stupidity by these cronies of George W. Bush!!

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