So, what does Clinton do now?

No matter which candidate one prefers, it’s probably fair to say Hillary Clinton’s campaign is not where it wants or needs to be. The question, of course, is what the one-time frontrunner is going to do about it.

“I’ve been there trying to turn around losing campaigns,” a true-blue Clinton loyalist painfully acknowledged Tuesday. “When nothing you do is working, you get desperate. This is starting to feel desperate.”

Clinton surrogates have tossed eggs everywhere, hoping something would stick. They’ve called Obama a wimp for refusing to debate in Wisconsin – a classic loser’s ploy.

They’ve accused him of breaking pledges and being an empty-suited orator.

The attacks bombed – especially the lighter-than-air charges that Obama plagiarizes key portions of his campaign spiel.

That, of course, is but a small sampling of the attacks from the last few weeks. Let’s see, once Obama’s fortunes rose and Clinton’s started to sink, we’ve heard attacks about inexperience, healthcare policy, Rezko, teenaged drug use, Exelon, “illegal” robo-calls, “present” votes, and tax increases, among other things.

If results from the last 10 contests are any indication, this kitchen-sink strategy isn’t exactly moving the needle in Clinton’s direction.

Obviously, most of Clinton’s key early advantages, most notably “inevitability,” have largely faded away. But what can her campaign do now to get things back on track?

There seem to be a limited number of options:

Go positive: If going negative hasn’t worked, maybe Clinton could go the kindler, gentler route? Perhaps, but it’s hard to imagine this fundamentally changing the landscape in the coming weeks.

Go very negative: The Clinton campaign has thrown everything they can at Obama, to no effect. But all of the criticisms have been over relatively small issues, none of which persuaded anyone. Maybe Clinton should consider a scorched-earth approach? Her negatives would soar, but it would probably bring Obama down a notch.

Stick to the (relatively new) plan: Who knows? Maybe Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania really will help change the landscape.

Wait for Obama to screw up: This is basically the way I play chess — I’m not quite good enough to beat a good player, but I’m just competent enough to capitalize when the other guy screws up. Obama has become fairly well disciplined, but Clinton may have little choice but to wait for him to make a costly error.

Superdelegates: Clinton can, I suppose, hold out hope that superdelegates will come to her rescue, though it seems like a tough sell.

Am I missing anything? What else might Clinton consider at this point?

What does Clinton do now?

She needs to drag that bloated parasitic jellyfish Mark Penn into an abandoned warehouse and go crazy on him. She needs to beat the shit out of worthless glob of nose goo with high heels and brass knuckles. She needs to videotape it and put it up on YouTube. I guarantee you it will get 1000x the views of all of Obama’s little speeches or fancy debate moments, combined. That won’t help her win the nomination but it would be awfully cathartic to everyone 😀

I’m not a conspiracy buff but I’m 50% convinced the Obama campaign bought Penn out. He’s seemingly done everything he could to torpedo Hillary’s chances.

-Pulling out of states (including Wisconsin!) a day or two before their primaries, effectively telling her supporters they don’t matter and should stay home. And for what benefit? It’s goddamn PROPORTIONAL distribution of delegates. If she had fought like hell for every state this month, she wouldn’t be in such a hole.

-Penn’s hilarious, contrived excuses after every state, making Hillary look both pathetic and Bushish. And for no gain at all.

-Penn’s bankrupting her campaign with his absurd salary.

As a huge Obama supporter I ought to be grateful to Penn but I’m not. He and the millions of simpering, pedestrian, spineless faux-consultants that have destroyed Democratic chances for years and years need to BURN.

  • Ladies and Gentlemen

    It’s bandwagon time. People like a winner and Obama sure looks like one.

    I really do not see anything that HRC can do at this point that will make a difference. Sure, she can put out negative ad’s all over the place. Increasingly though it just looks like sour grapes which will drive more people over to the Obama side.

    The more Obama wins the more he looks like the “inevitable” choice. Which goes back to the bandwagon theory.

    Just my little ol Texas opinon.

  • This is still in all intents and purposes a tie. MyDD.com shows Clinton still ahead when you count MI and FL and include Automatic delegates. My recommendation for her would be to focus her energy and campaign on Pennsylvania as her firewall. Even though I expect her to win TX and OH, I think that PA is the real significant firewall and bulwark that could really move the momentum back to Senator Clinton and cause most of the automatic delegates to rally around her on the road to the convention.

  • Going home before she ruins her name, but not before she beats the shit out of Mark Penn (Comment #1) and the rest of her inept team. At this point, I’m guessing the DLC and their band of merry dipshits should be reading “What Color is My Parachute?” and looking into more useful careers such as crash test dummy or human target.

  • I am an Obama fan, but I keep wondering if there is something Clinton can do to turn this around for her.

    My opinion is that the best risk/reward strategy for her is to go completely negative. It has the quickest potential of her catching up to Obama. Problem is, I am not convinced at all that it will work at all and I think it would backfire big time. It would reek of desperation on her part. Not to mention it could damage her enough that she might not be able to do run for President again and it could risk harming Obama in the general election. As badly as she wants to win, I doubt she wants McCain over Obama as president.

    I think the best course of action for her is to go really positive and hope Obama makes a mistake. At least she saves face and can at some point in the future run for president again (or go for a position like senate majority leader), especially if Obama somehow loses the General Election.

  • There are these points where I realize the lid is closed, and I’ve reached that with Hillary. In the 90’s, I never had any doubt the Come Back Kids were always still in the game, but I keep going back to that Atlantic article – that obliterated the one major strength of her candidacy, which is that people may hate her, she may not be inspiring, but she knows how to play politics and get things done. Since then, everything we learn about her campaign makes her look like the Keystone cops next to Obama’s organization that has clearly been playing the long game, picking off every delegate back when Hillary thought it was in the bag.

    First of all, the old politics no longer works, and Clinton doesn’t seem to know how to campaign when she’s not counter-punching (listen, haters). Secondly, she’s in the mindset, as Obama would say, that got us into Iraq, but the old politics of fear no longer apply. Thirdly, after Super Tuesday, it became clear she had no post-shock-and-awe planning and had been expecting flowers in the street, she had blown her cash as Bush did to take out McCain in 2000, she was just learning the rules for Texas primaries and failed to get enough delegates slated in PA, and every day, Mark Penn says something Rovian-stupid.

    Back when Bill Clinton was tracking 17%, running third behind Perot (has a major party candidate ever polled behind a third party candidate?), I was more optomistic than I am now. Seriously.

    Maybe I’m riding a high after being packed in the Toyota Center with 20,000 people and not a free seat in the stadium, but from this vantage point, Obama has been running circles around her in organization. Kids are sponges, and at the elementary schools and cub scout meetings, you hear weblos talking about nothing else but Obama — and this is in a Hispanic and high income white area. I didn’t see many Hispanics there, but blacks certainly weren’t the majority. The crowd was fairly diverse, and no one was playing the thumb cymbals.

    If Hillary can’t run a good campaign, what is the rationale for her candidacy? To turn things around, she has to show clearly Obama is not up to the job, and she is. So, unless we get a lot more of this , I don’t see it happening.

  • Hillary should take the high road for the next two weeks and NOT go negative on Obama.

    Then, if she doesn’t pull off a miracle in Texas and Ohio, immediately sit down with Obama and get whatever she can from him in return for a graceful concession. Maybe his promise of full support for a Senate Majority bid?

  • At this point, the go positive route sounds like the path. IMHO, I think she lost votes here in WI simply because a lot of people were turned off by the attacks. While this approach may not necessarily win her new votes, it may keep her from losing more to Obama. It also leaves open the possibility that if Obama screws up, she is in position to capitalize.

    However, the chances of anything helping at this point were really summed up nicely in this blog at Huffinton Post.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dylan-loewe/where-hillary-went-wrong_b_87353.html

    Clinton keeps trying to sell herself as the experienced political fighter who knows how to get things done. But she started this campaign with all of the advantages; money, name-recognition and the ability to attract top talent to her campaign. The fact that, through poor decisions (strategy and staffing), she managed to lose the lead to a young upstart really raises questions as to how valid her claims are.

    As least by going positive, even if she doesn’t win, she will not become persona non grata in the party and can play an important role in the Senate (Majority leader perhaps?). The party still would greatly benefit from her presence. I just hope her enthusiasm doesn’t die with her presidential bid.

  • Sen. Clinton’s problem is that she can only hope to win the nomination by tearing Obama apart and then crawling over his political corpse to the nomination.

    That’s a long shot in and of itself, at this point. But given that she’s already broadly unpopular, relatively speaking, in the general electorate, it’s more or less impossible to see how she then recovers to win the November election against a Republican who turns media types gooey with every dumb joke he makes.

    Were the Senator truly a loyal Democrat who put the party’s interests above her own, she’d turn down the volume at this point and withdraw after March 4. (To do so beforehand would indicate disrespect to her supporters in Texas and Ohio.) But I read instead that she’s launched a new 527 to attack Obama in the harshest terms yet. Sadly, it seems the Clintons would rather lose with Hillary–and potentially torpedo a lot of Democrats down-ticket–than see their rival victorious, with a fighting chance to open an era of effective progressive governance.

  • It all has to start with actually getting some of the attention. Nothing she says will matter if it is a tree falling in the forest.

    So step one should probably be kissing Edwards ass in every way she can. His endorsement before Texas and Ohio would be the kind of game changer that would get her a second look. She needs some sort of splashy positive – if not Edwards, someone else of magnitude – to encourage people to think about her again.

    She needs to fire Penn, to demonstrate to those who are giving up on her that she really means business about turning things around.

    She probably needs a huge, candid-about-her-uphill-odds ad buy in Texas and Ohio.

    She needs to use a mix of gentle hits, gentle respect, and obliviousness towards Obama; much more important than trying to dent his positives right now are to raise her own.

    She needs to get back to basics, which for her is being all wonky but about things where she has some passion: the issues of children, women and families, which leads her into health care, programs and protections for working parents, progressive tax policy, the environment, reproductive rights.

    She needs to stake out a couple of really bold policies to mix in to her substance — things that will actually differentiate her from Obama, and it needs to be to Obama’s left given that she has to get nominated before she worries about the general. The recent changes in Cuba and Pakistan give her real opportunities here that she needs to make the most of.

    And she needs to find a new field director and put every get-out-the-vote tool anyone on staff has ever learned in place for Texas and Ohio.

    And then she should probably choose a deity and pray to it a lot. Even with all of the above, she’s still going to need a break from the media, an Obama mistake, a helpful endorser, or a public willing to give a second look (and she has to remain mistake free, which means keeping Bill – who, when he is on, could provide a lot of help – on a very short leash).

  • Am I missing anything? What else might Clinton consider at this point?

    Support the eventual nominee and focusing on her Senate seat. The people she chose to ran her campaign destroyed it for her and by proxy her inability to pick a winning team made her ‘ready on day’ one message sound empty.

  • The “best” thing to do would probably be to go negative, but I would like to hope she has the class and intelligence not to do this. As bicmon said above, take the high road.

    Run a good campaign for Texas and Ohio, and deal with whatever the results. Do what’s best for the process and the country. Unfortunately, I’m not sure she can– or will– do this.

  • I’ve seen a lot of people say she should fire Mark Penn, but I think that would be too little, too late and would have a negative impact on her performance in future primaries.

    I think the staff changes she went through already had an effect, and that was really just some minor shifting.

    Firing the chief strategist at this point, despite his incompetence and rhetorical diarrhea, would effectively end the campaign.

    She should certainly ask for a refund from the stain. He certainly wasn’t worth the money. She could always just say she only pays ‘significant’ employees.

  • Show the contrast between her legistlative record and Obama’s (from http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5960):

    In her time in the Senate, Hillary has sponsored 21 bills that have become law including:

    — a bill that extended the availability of unemployment assistance.

    — a bill which established a program to assist family caregivers.

    — a bill that provided benefits to public safety officers who were killed or injured during the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

    But Hillary’s accomplishments in the Senate are not limited to bill sponsorships. Among her many other legislative accomplishments:

    — Hillary worked with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to expand access to health care for the National Guard and Reserve.

    — Hillary passed an amendment that created a national program for teacher and principal training and recruitment.

    — Hillary used Senate rules to force the Bush administration to make emergency contraception, also known as Plan B, available over the counter.

    since Sen. Obama joined the Senate (applying the same standard the email applies to Hillary) he has sponsored two bills that have become law:

    — a bill that sought to promote democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

    — a bill that named a post office.

    That would bring me over to Hillary’s side (if I wasn’t there already). But apparently experience doesn’t mean as much to some as it does to me.

  • she can pour penny and hour of manpower she has left into organizing on the ground in Texas and Ohio. She can talk all she wants about Obama’s empty rhetoric and spend all her campaign’s time and energy planning out some brilliant attack which will take Obama down and turn the tide back in her direction, but where she has lost in state after state is on the ground. Her campaign has been out-worked over and over again, and she has to stop that if she has any chance left.

  • She’s going to have to fight this one out to the end. After all the negativity; after all the disparagement; after all the blissful following of the DINO uberschweinen Penn—there is absolutely no sane reason in the universe to reward Clinton with a position of power in an Obama administration.

    She should at least stay in through the PA primary—then just “pretend not to know that Penn’s new location is several feet beneath a Pennsylvania cornfield….”

  • That would bring me over to Hillary’s side (if I wasn’t there already). But apparently experience doesn’t mean as much to some as it does to me.

    I don’t think it matters to the general electorate either. Bill Clinton was the Bubba from bum-f$%k who crashed the DC country club. Bush was the trust fund baby with no experience, but born with his membership. The DC elite see the writing on the wall and can’t stomach the thought of having to eath crow with the Clintons returned to office, and see Obama as a way out. McCain’s moment was 2000, and he destroyed whatever independence he had by selling his soul for the nomination. His problems are the party’s — they hate him for wanting to do what it would take to bring the party into the oughts.

    To top it all off, Obama’s inexperience hasn’t kept him from out-politicking Hillary. Caucuses are about organization. Knowing the rules in Texas is organization. Taking the long view and being smart about picking up every delegate is level-headed strategy. Clinton only excels when she’s looking down the barrel of a gun, but Obama and bothering to aim her way.

  • Perhaps she could show a bit of grace under fire and actually publicly acknowledge defeat on primary night? I was never a HRC supporter, but I didn’t dislike her. She’s quickly earning my complete disrespect. Honestly, she’s becoming a female GW with her inability to accept defeat or admit mistakes. Who needs it. She DOES NOT GET IT, and never will.

  • I’d like to see Hillary go after McCain. Show the electorate a preview of the general election and let
    us decide who has the better chance of beating “Honest John.”

  • I wish I could live in whatever country g8girl lives in.

    In that world, the Obama-Coburn Act for government spending transparency was never enacted.

    In that world, the Obama-Lugar Act for nuclear nonproliferation was never signed into law.

    In that world, Obama never secured passage of three key amendments to the imigration bill that cleared the Senate, he never worked closely with Russ Feingold on open government or Chuck Shumer to criminalize election scams, or work across the aisle with Kit Bond on defense amendments or Chuck Hagel on nuclear terrorism safeguards.

    Actually, that world sounds like the insane asylum known as Hillaryis44.org, so maybe I don’t want to live there.

  • The only sure thing for her to turn this around would be for Bill to “pass.” Since he has outlived his usefulness to her, and is now somewhat a liability, if I were him I would be paranoid.

  • Well, I think we have our answer…

    ABC News has learned that a group of Democratic politicos have set up a new independent 527 organization called the American Leadership Project (ALP) with the express purpose of helping Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, beat Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, in Ohio, and possibly Texas and Pennsylvania as well. [link]

    And if you thought that was bad, there’s this…

    This morning brings the news that the campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, has launched a new website where they are announcing how they are officially preparing to make the case that the rules of the Democratic nomination process should be changed. [this]

    And that’s connected to the campaign.

  • Mark Pencil @14 outlines what Clinton ought to do, but I bet she goes very negative. I expect her to attack Obama’s record in the debates and try to paint him as “all hat, no cattle.” Although this will not endear Clinton to Obama supporters, it might damage him enough to for her to hang onto Ohio and Texas.

    As others have noted, this will give ammunition to Republicans in the general election. However, if Obama is successful in neutralizing Clinton attacks, it bodes well for his chances in November. It will demonstrate that Obama has skills that will help overcome the inevitable GOP smears.

  • I wish I could live in whatever country g8girl lives in.

    In that world, the Obama-Coburn Act for government spending transparency was never enacted.

    In that world, the Obama-Lugar Act for nuclear nonproliferation was never signed into law. -TR

    Why would you want to live in a world without those two good laws? 🙂

    Not that I don’t dismiss anything g8grl says immediately now after having grown weary refuting her fact-challenged comments in past, but when she cites hillaryhub.com as an unbiased source, it makes her all that much easier to ignore.

  • Basically, Hillary Clinton is at the place any imperial power is when it’s been outfought by the guerillas. She’s the Romans in the Teutoborg Forest, the English at Yorktown, the French at Dienbienphu, Chiang Kai-shek in China, the United States in Vietnam. She never understood the nature of her opponent, and thought the opponent would fight by “imperial” rules.

    There’s a lot being made right now in certain circles about the Obama campaign as an example of 4th Generation asymmetrical warfare. You can read a good article on how Obama is now inside Hillary’s “OODA Loop” in James Fallows’ “4GW Meets Campaign ’08” here:

    http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/4gw_meets_campaign_08.php#more

    Actually, a more useful bit of reading would be to pick up the “bible” that Obama – and every other successful community organizer over the past 60 years – has read: “Reveille for Radicals” by Saul Alinsky. Alinsky was talking about political asymmetrical warfare back in the late 1940s (when Mao Tse-tung was practicing it), and certainly every community organizer in Chicago has been required to read it ever since.

    Anyone who wonders just how this works – every Obama supporter got a nice e-mail from Obama last night within hours of the victory, thanking them personally by name for their support, telling them just what had happaned and how, and what was next. This is “the fish swimming in the sea of the people.” And his victory speech last night, where he called on supporters to know it was going to be a long campaign that would require their participation long after the voting booths close in November, to build a movement for real change – all that is pure Alinsky.

    Essentially, now that Obama is inside the OODA loop – which means he has out-thought her and is anticipating her moves, that when she throws a punch he isn’t there – there’s really nothing Clinton can do. It is far too late for her to do anything that works. Her campaign is out-organized and out-thought. Here’s what “inside the OODA loop” means:

    OODA stands for Observe, Orient, Decide, and Act. To react to changing reality faster than the opponent can, or to interfere with the opponent’s ability to perceive realistically what is happening to him, is to “get inside his OODA loop”

    Obama has now moved to what Ho Chi Minh and Mao called “the victory phase,” where the guerillas establish themselves as the authority. Obama is no longer attacking Clinton – he is moving past her to face the Main Enemy.

    Hillary can do all the negative campaigning she wants. It’s as useful as the “safe hamlets” plan was in Vietnam.

    Obama beat her with blue-collar men and women in Wisconsin. Three fellow hobbyist friends of mine, all “Reagan Democrats”, have e-mailed me since last night to tell me how happy they were to vote for Obama. They’d never ever vote for Hillary. Voters in Wisconsin said they disliked everything her campaign had done with their negative attacks last week.

    Hillary’s out of ammo. She’s only going to look pathetic tomorrow night.

    With any luck, come March 5, the goddamn Clintons will move to Antarctica. Oh, that wouldn’t be good – Bill’s hot air could contribute to global warming.

    I think there was a great line the other day: “Bill Clinton was the boy who wanted to grow up to be President, who never grew up.”

    We’re finally getting the kind of Democrat we’ve all been looking for these past 40 years. If the Hillary supporters can see past their disappointment, they’ll see this is our greatest opportunity since 1932.

    And guerillas are always glad to welcome those who “see the light”. 🙂

  • From Hillary’s desperation website, as brought to our attention by Mr Furious:

    “FACT: Florida and Michigan should count, both in the interest of fundamental fairness and honoring the spirit of the Democrats’ 50-state strategy.”

    Oh, so now all 50 states are significant? That’s funny, I seem to remember someone’s chief strategist dismissing several of them as insignificant recently.

  • What should HRC do? Beat up the Rethugs early, often and hard. Acknowledge that Obama is popular. Damn him with faint praise, but not play into a major rift in the Democratic Party whlle the Rethugs, surprise surprise, are busily falling into line behind McCain.

    There has to be a fatigue factor at play. No one can campaign endlessly as these people do and still retain a shred of sanity or clarity. Their ‘advisors’ and handlers take over, and steer them in directions that are totally counter productive. Democrats know how to lose elections, and HRC seems to be on the road to making it happen again.

  • Another example of how she’s now outfought:

    The Obama campaign in Texas has just e-mailed supporters nationwide asking people to come to Texas the weekend before the primary to do field-work. Let me tell you folks who don’t understand how important this is: when someone can tell a voter that they came there, on their own dime, to do this work because they believe in the candidate and how important it is, that is the kind of “testimony” that changes minds.

    I’ll predict – conservatively – that they get 10,000 responses.

    Trust me, the Hillary campaign can’t even get close to this.

  • I was never a Hillary fan – the dynastic thing, and especially, the war vote, turned me away from her. I don’t think it matters much what she does from here on out. She could go massively negative and destroy her reputation in the party and damage her senatorial career. She could go positive and float away as an irrelevancy. She could fire Penn and drift for the next few weeks as the shattered campaign organization tries to rebuild itself. She could stick with Penn and see him continue to do as badly as he has up to now.

    The option I like best would be for her to forget Obama and start shooting at McCain. It wouldn’t get her the nomination, but it would rebuild a lot of bridges in the party and do something worthwhile for the country.

    I heard today that HD DVD is giving up the battle against Blu-Ray, a capitulation that surprised no one. HRC is approaching the same point. After TX/OH she’ll need to face reality and concede.

  • g8grl @ 19: “..apparently experience doesn’t mean as much to some as it does to me.

    Experience does matter. i.e. Clinton’s votes on Iraq, Kyl-Lieberman, cluster-bombs, bankruptcy, and flag burning scare the hell out of this Democrat.

    In addition, if her experience running her campaign is any indication of how she would govern…(e.g. hiring Penn, her Bush-like penchant to favor loyalty over competence when selecting her campaign manager, running out of money after Super Tuesday, failing to file for delegates in PA, weak ground campaign, not preparing for the Texas delegate distribution process, divisive strategies for the convention, …), then we’re better off without her as our nominee.

    She wasn’t ready on day one for a campaign that didn’t rely primarily on name recognition, and I don’t think she would be ready on day one to govern.

  • Brilliant @ TR @ 24

    And you are right it is an insane asylum. I created a account there using a newly minted gmail addy. I then tried to post a vanilla anti-McCain comment. Their censors did not let it pass. There wasn’t a negative Clinton word in it. Nor a positive word for Barack in it. Just a McCain slap down. Deleted!

    And that’s a site that actively takes in money for Clinton.
    Scary cultish stuff…

  • I’m really, really puzzled. You said in the post that trigged this deluge of mail, “If going negative hasn’t worked, maybe Clinton could go the kindler, gentler route?”

    According to my reading of the dictionary, a kindler is one who sparks or sets things on fire. I assume the “things” we’re all thinking of, right now, are the electorate.

    Isn’t sparking the electorate exactly what Obama is doing?

    I know, I know – puns aside, I’m the guy who many weeks ago commented on this blog that after hearing Obama’s speeches I thought there was “no there there.” But that was there, this is here, as they say.

    We’ll have enough trouble fighting off slime from the right. I think it’s time for Hillary to graciously slink off into the political murk. (But let’s not forget her for a cabinet post.)

    Yours crankily,
    The New York Crank

  • And that’s a site that actively takes in money for Clinton. Scary cultish stuff…

    Cultish is the word. That site is the internet equivalent of the homemade shrine of a stalker, with ripped-out magazine photos, framed in crayoned hearts and illuminated by scented candles and the stench of paranoia.

    Did you read the comment thread where they wanted to get together photos and personal notes to put together in a scrapbook and send it off to Hillary? Creeeeeeeeepy.

    And all this time I’d been told that the Obama supporters were cult-like.

  • I am amazed, with all the people pointing out all the incompetence in Hillary Clinton, that anyone could think of her as Senate Majority Leader. Comparing her with Chris Dodd or Russ Feingold only shows how content-free she is, when you get past her gender.

  • In terms of delegates, Hillary is still very much in the hunt. But 10 straight losses is sure giving her the scent of a loser.

    To turn this around, Hillary needs to go big. Say how you would end the Iraq occupation and stop the hemorrhaging of tax dollars overseas. Say how she’s restore the Constitution so that the average citizen could trust the government again. Say how she will reform the lending business so that our retirement funds won’t be lost in mutual funds that have a lot of bad paper debt they were sold as AAA rated investments and we won’t be sold really bad loans by really shady loan originators that will dump that bad loan onto someone else.

    People need a reason to vote FOR her and not against Obama. He has too much mass and momentum to be stopped by the silly campaign spitballs that Mark Penn is shooting. And she’d get the blogosphere to have more faith in her if she ditched Penn by the side of the road … unless he has too much dirt on her to do that.

  • I agree that Dodd and Feingold would be great choices, but let’s admit that even Hillary would a vast improvement over the feckless “leadership” shown by Harry Reid as majority leader.

  • This is still in all intents and purposes a tie. MyDD.com shows Clinton still ahead when you count MI and FL and include Automatic delegates. My recommendation for her would be to focus her energy and campaign on Pennsylvania as her firewall. Even though I expect her to win TX and OH, I think that PA is the real significant firewall and bulwark that could really move the momentum back to Senator Clinton and cause most of the automatic delegates to rally around her on the road to the convention.

    Ha ha ha! Keep dreaming!

  • I want to comment on this “automatic delegate” thing. The Clinton campaign has adopted the Republican tactic of renaming something in order to persuade (e.g. homicide bombers instead of suicide bombers, death tax instead of inheritance tax). According to Hillary, super delegates are no longer super delegates. They’re now automatic delegates.

    Her argument. That a super an automatic delegate’s vote is no stronger than a pledged delegate’s vote. Each gets one vote at the convention…both counting the same.

    She’s right. But of course, she’s counting on the electorate to be ignorant of the fact that each delegate’s vote is equal to about 10,000 (give or take) of our votes. So, the pledged delegates are casting one vote for 10,000 of us who elected that delegate to go to the convention. On the other hand, super automatic delegates will be casting one vote for exactly one person.

    Sorry Hillary. Not buying it. Still super delegates.

  • Tom @ 41

    Point taken.

    However, the party is going to have to pull together after the primary to win the election and enact any of the grand policies they are talking about now. While she may not necessarily be the best candidate for Majority Leader, it certainly will help go a long way towards unifying the party IF she and her supporters accept she is now part of the team (with all that entails). The policies she supports are not all that different than Obama’s. And, to the best of my understanding, she has been relatively effective as a senator.

    However, it will be up to her colleagues to decide. And if she doesn’t want to be a team player, then I would absolutely agree with you.

    What I don’t want to see happen is the Democrats win the WH only to have their agenda torpedoed by bickering and petty grievances within their own party.

  • It seems clear that Hillary has decided that she’s willing to screw the party and possibly the country for her own personal gain. She’s going to go heavily negative on Obama and seek to win via super delegates and/or delegates from Michigan and Florida. It’s clear that landslides in ten states in a row and a near impossible task of her catching up in pledged delegates or the popular vote is not going to stop her in her quest for glory.

    This is a time when we should be optimistic about our chances for getting a progressive in the white house, but because of Clinton’s actions and statements so far, I’m getting a bit nervous and extremely angry.

  • Obama has not won the nomination. Clinton should continue to fight vigorously using every legitimate means at her disposal. Those who would like to see her fold up and quit aren’t likely to see that happen. Calling her attempts to fight for the nomination the “low road” or some such slur is unfair. If Obama were not the frontrunner, his supporters would be applauding his use of the same methods. Clinton should be fighting vigorously or she is not worthy of being president. She must show guts now or she would have no hope of winning in November. Guts are incompatible with stereotypes of female behavior, so she will be punished for it. My hope is that voters in the remaining states will have the intelligence to see past the hype and vote on issues, not some meme of predestination.

  • Mary @ 49

    The reason I (and I suspect many others) support Obama is because he doesn’t take the low road. If you recall, he has only recently become the front runner.

  • If Obama were not the frontrunner, his supporters would be applauding his use of the same methods.

    I call bullshit on this.

  • This might be my favorite part about that ridiculous DelegateHub website:

    Paid for by Hillary Clinton for President

    Hillary Clinton for President is not responsible for the content of any external websites.

    WTF?

  • My hope is that voters in the remaining states will have the intelligence to see past the hype and vote on issues, not some meme of predestination.

    That line sounds all well and good, but what you’re failing to note is that the “meme of predestination” was the sole argument for Sen. Clinton’s campaign for most of 2007. All we kept hearing was how inevitable she was. Not so much.

  • Guts are incompatible with stereotypes of female behavior, so she will be punished for it.

    Wrong Mary. Stop viewing through that lens. Burning the village is incompatible with saving it.

  • Run a positive campaign until TX/OH, then concede graciously.

    Oh, wait – this is The Clintons we’re talking about! Whew! For a sec there, I actually believed that was possible. Silly me!

  • Mr Furious @ 52: They are saying that they are not responsible for the content of external websites; that is, sites they link to. Seems fair enough.

    There’s no way Hillary goes down without every ounce of fight she has. Dirty tricks, attacks on the Democratic party, even lawsuits to overturn primaries or delegate selection should all be expected. And contrary to Mary’s myopic view, I really don’t think Obama would do the same. If he did, not only would his supporters flee in droves, just as Hillary’s have as her win-at-any-cost tactics have become more distasteful. It has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with honor.

  • If Obama were not the frontrunner, his supporters would be applauding his use of the same methods.”

    I call bullshit on this too. Mary, it seems, is projecting her incredibly low standards onto the rest of us.

    Note to Mary — Just because you find this kind of behavior acceptable, doesn’t mean the rest of us do.

  • How about apologies?

    Sorry I handed Dubya the keys to the tank that was about to roll over non-nuclear Iran????

    Sorry I pooched health care in 1994 by selling out to health insurers. I’m for single-payer now.?

    Sorry I’ve been strutting around like a prizewinning cock before offering any policy substance?

    Sorry I conspired with John Edwards to begin eliminating opponents from the debates?

    Sorry I tried to snow the electorate by painting every difference of opinion Obama had with me as a colossal gaffe when I basically agreed with him?

    She still won’t get the presidency, but she might save her Senate seat.

  • If Obama were not the frontrunner, his supporters would be applauding his use of the same methods.”

    This ignores the fact that many of us support Obama precisely because of opposition to this type of tactic and precisely because Obama has stayed away from Clinton’ s style of campaigning.

    This type of behavior was doomed from the start. As I ended a post at Liberal Values today:

    When engaging in questionable tactics the Clinton campaign fails to understand that this is why they are in the situation they are in to begin with. The more Clinton engages in tying to break the rules and in dishonest campaigning, the more Obama’s call for change resonates. Clinton cannot defeat a real call for change by repeatedly offering herself as an example of exactly why change is needed.

  • Pull out Hillary, substitute Bill. It violates one of those so-called Amendments, but it’s what Americans truly want.

  • Negative, negative, negative. It’s her only chance. If she gets blown-out in two weeks, then she thinks about getting out. And if Obama loses the general, no one will remember what happened in late February. The GOP will have no problem coming up with dirt to fling at Obama. Nothing she can throw at him will equal that. As long as she bows out gracefully sometime in March, her reputation will still be intact. As an Obama supporter, I don’t mind the attacks. Each one gets his team more used to rapid response and counter-punching. He’s already a better candidate from having to compete against her. It’s like a meaner version of spring training.

  • Future Firewalls of America (FFA) – Hillary style, V. 3.2

    Just like Bush, Hillary loves to move those goalposts back into the future when she doesn’t win or meet the benchmarks:

    March 4th: The Alamo, Texas (part 1 of a double firewall)
    March 4th: Ohio* (part 2 of a double firewall)

    March 11th: Mississippi

    April 22nd: Pennsylvania (this may work out for Hill, since almost all the votes are counted on Republican-controlled electronic voting machines or tabulated on Republican-controlled electronic vote tabulating machines…a la New Hampshire and the Diebolding of the Obama victory…).

    May 13th: West Virginia

    And the final “fire wall:

    June 3rd: Montana.

  • Hillary needs to get some of her friends to “swift boat” Barack. He has his achilles heel. One of the biggest ones is his 20 year membership in that militant church (Trinity United Church) with its “non-negotiable commitment to Africa” and the church’s crazy minister who has delivered the racist sermons and supports Louis Farrakan (he just resigned as minister. probably paid into retirement by the Barack campaign). How could anyone who sat and listened to sermons like that for 20 years claim to be a candidate for all the people.

    Use this in conjunction with Barack’s friendship with Mr. Khalidi, a former member of an American terrorist group, and Michelle Obama’s comments about “..first time in her adult life she is really proud of her country” to paint a true picture of who the Barack Obama really is. His campaign of unity is a big con.

  • I think Hillary should just go positive and cruise to the Convention. It is still probably going to be undecided by then.

    The dominatrix bit on Penn sounds good though.

    Hillary doesn’t need to beat up on Barack anymore. McCain will see to that.

  • “let’s admit that even Hillary would a vast improvement over the feckless “leadership” shown by Harry Reid as majority leader.”

    Roadkill is roadkill—and it smells just as bad in the noon-day sun, whether it’s a possum or a pole-cat….

  • I’m one of those who think that this is utterly hopeless for Hillary and think the best thing she can do for herself is to concede defeat. She tried playing offense against Barack and took heat for it. She tried defense, but still lost ground. And now she’s back on offense again, which will surely punish her as much as before. It’s almost impossible for her to win, and at this point, all she’s doing is damaging our next president and helping his opponents.

    She still has a nice Senate career to fall back on, and perhaps now that she won’t be obsessing about future presidential considerations for each vote, she can actually do the job as a liberal, instead of always needing to be “tough” on foreign policy. But the longer she drags this out, the more she risks tarnishing her image and making her look like a sore loser who only cares about herself. I don’t think she’ll hurt Obama much, and it’s quite likely she’s helping him sharpen his skills for the general and reassuring people that he’s the real deal. But for her own sake, she really should see the big picture and see how much she’s damaging herself at this point.

    But of course, that’s one of the reasons I felt she wasn’t the best candidate: She’s not really good with the big picture, and prefers to win small battles without seeing how they might adversely affect her in the long run. And that means she’s going to drag this out as long as possible.

  • Here’s Obama’s high road: adding Donnie McClurkin and others of his ilk to his campaign, plagiarism, throwing Stephen Colbert out of the race in SC then complaining about those opposing the new precincts in LV (who weren’t Clinton by the way, just unions endorsing Clinton), blaming everything anyone says who is remotely associated with Clinton on Clinton herself, despite the fact that she has said things exactly opposite (playing a game of sliming Clinton with every specious attack possible, including portraying these long-time supporters of civil rights and issues for African Americans as racists), crying victim at every opportunity despite being treated with kid gloves, especially by the media; pretending that sales of campaign buttons and novelty items were actually campaign donations to boost initial financial support figures; failing to give back (donate to charity) Rezko contributions until outed by the press; telling lies about Clinton’s support for the war (something she has NEVER supported); telling lies about his own Present votes in Illinois (failing to divulge the true number while pretending they were only to give cover on a few specific votes); claiming that Clinton stole her ideas from Edwards when Clinton has been first to issue position papers on nearly every issue (and most specific and with the most solid plans usually); putting out that awful mailer on health care that mimicked the attacks on health care during Clinton’s term; putting out that awful mailer stating that he was called by god to run for president and talking about his faith (as blatant an appeal to the religiosity of the conservative south as anything Huckabee did); ignoring Hispanic issues until it became clear he would need more Latino votes, then “borrowing” the United Farmworkers slogan si se puedes but only in English, so the associations are coded to whites. If I were following Obama more closely, no doubt I could come up with more.

    He is not “saint” Obama. He is a politician just like other politicians. His pretense that he is any way different is belied by his Chicago track record. He is fooling a lot of hopeful people into thinking he is different but people who are different that way don’t succeed. He is simply false and that means there is an Obama we all don’t know and may not like as well as the false front. If you are willing to take a chance, then vote for him. I’m not willing because the country is in too big a mess. We need someone who knows how to fix a mess, who can play hardball with other politicians, and who we know has goals that will not be sold out for political convenience, as the gays were, women’s choice was, social security was, and health care has been by Obama. But he is a man of God. We all know what that means — look at Bush, whose instructions came right from God’s mouth to his heart. And I REALLY trust someone who plays divisive identity politics to the hilt, even when he knows the most inclusive politicians to date have been the Clintons.

  • Oddly enough, the Mary line above that annoyed me the most was “Guts are incompatible with stereotypes of female behavior…”, rather than the suggestion that Obama supporters would applaud dirty tricks on his part if he actually needed to use them. The former is just a full-court whine: since when are real guts not appreciated? Give me an example! Come on, seriously, the poor-little-brave-girl-in-a-mean-man’s-world is itself a sterotype, back there in the dust with the America that would never elect a black man to the presidency. If Hillary really was coming across as bravely suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, rather than exhibiting petulant spite because her campaign manager (whom she could sack at any time) couldn’t punch his way out of a paper bag with “strategy” written on it – you’d have to wade through her supporters to get to your car.

    I get it. You’ll never vote for Obama. Cue the clip of Obama tossing restlessly, unable to sleep.

  • Further on to my previous post about Hillary as the victim of Obama practicing 4GW warfare and getting inside her OODA loop, here is a comment from my friend Chuck Spinney, the guy mentioned in the Atlantic article as being one of the inventors of the OODA theory:

    I think Obama is running (no doubt unconsciously) a classic Motherhood & Mismatch (M&M) strategy (or Boyd’s Moral Design for Grand Strategy) on Hillary. That is to say, Obama is driving wedges of contradictions between the 3 poles of the triangle: (1) What she SAYS she is; (2) what she REALLY is; and (3) the WORLD she has to deal with. And she is blundering into one cul de sac of her own making after another … it is a little like watching Sen. John Tower fold up in OT&E debate in mid-80s (discussed in Coram’s book on Boyd).

    The biggest mismatch of all has yet to become manifest, which gets to your point about Alinsky: The mismatch between her central claim of competence (what she says she is) and her incompetence in running a large organizations (which creates mismatches between what she really is and between the world she has to deal with). This is clear once one considers that the primary campaigns are the biggest organizational endeavors she and Obama have ever run … and clearly, based on her performance, particularly given her hugely advantageous position last summer, the answer to the question of WHO IS THE MOST COMPETENT MANAGER? becomes self evident. Add in the health care fiasco of 1993 and the case is overwhelming.

    My conclusion: Obama is so far inside her OODA loop that her orientation is now shaping her observations and decisions, and it is beginning to look like her decision loop is predictably going non linear and producing entropy at a rate that is blossoming into chaos. — and that kind is what moral isolation and collapse is all about.

    But, like Patton, I have to say, “god help me, I love it.”

  • Mary @68~ Actually, it seems that you’re following Sen Obama very carefully. I find it strange that you would expect him to be absolutely squeaky clean, never having made a mistake, never having had a dubious political connection, etc. I mean, its ok to feel that way about politicians (we all wish for a perfect world), but to paint this picture in hopes of contrasting Sen Obama with Sen Clinton is probably not a good strategy.

    One might be tempted to say, “I’ll see your Rezko and raise you a Norman Hsu.”

    Tom Cleaver~thanks for the links on Obama/4G warfare.

  • Sorry I haven’t had time to read all the comments on this topic, but I know one thing for sure…

    I supported Hillary for the Presidential primaries since before she officially announced. As time has passed I’ve started leaning more towards Obama.

    This morning when I heard on NPR that Hillary is going to try to get the Florida and Michigan delegates to count towards her total, it was the last straw. Those underhanded tactics come straight out of the Republican play book. Something I do not condone under any circumstances.

    I don’t think there is anything she’ll be able to do to convince me now to even consider voting for her. Actually, I’m going to donate money to the Obama campaign, since living in Oregon kind’a leaves me out of the loop when it comes to casting a vote in the primaries.

    If she ends up winning the nomination, I will vote for her in the general election, but I would prefer Obama to be the nominee.

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