So, who’s going to win on Tuesday?

A couple of weeks ago, when the Clinton campaign circled March 4 on its calendar, the thinking was that Texas and Ohio would save Hillary Clinton — they’d serve as firewall states that prevented Barack Obama from ending this contest once and for all. Big wins in these two states, where polls showed her with sizable leads, would deliver some much-needed delegates to Clinton’s effort.

With a couple of days to go, that scenario seems far less likely, but both of Tuesday’s key contests are almost certainly going to be the most competitive contests since Super Tuesday (Obama has won each of the 11 subsequent contests by large, double-digit margins.) So, who’s going to win? New Mason-Dixon/McClatchy polls suggest it’s anybody’s guess.

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are neck and neck heading into a pivotal primary showdown Tuesday in Ohio and Texas, two delegate-rich states where Clinton held leads just weeks ago, according to two new polls released Sunday.

Clinton leads in Ohio by 47-43 percent. Obama leads in Texas by 46-45 percent. Those standings are both within the polls’ 4 percentage point margin of error — meaning that either one could be ahead in each state. And nearly one in ten likely voters remains undecided in each state, more than enough to swing Tuesday’s results in either direction.

“They’re both close races,” said Brad Coker of Mason-Dixon. “Hillary has a little better shot in Ohio. She still has a little lead there. Texas is a tossup.”

Other polls show the races shaping up in similar ways.

Reuters released its numbers this morning.

Democrat Hillary Clinton narrowly trails rival Barack Obama in Texas and the two are virtually tied in Ohio ahead of critical contests that could decide the fate of her presidential bid, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Houston Chronicle poll released on Sunday. […]

Clinton, a New York senator and former first lady, has seen big poll leads disappear in both states over the last two weeks as Obama seized control of the Democratic race with his winning streak.

She now trails Obama in Texas by 4 points, 47 percent to 43 percent, up from a 2-point edge for Obama on Saturday. Obama’s strength in the state’s big cities and among men, young voters and blacks has offset her advantage with the state’s sizable bloc of Hispanics and older voters.

Clinton still holds leads in heavily Hispanic south Texas and conservative west Texas, but Obama has pulled virtually even among women voters, usually one of her strongest constituencies.

In Ohio, Clinton has a statistically insignificant 1-point edge on Obama, 47 percent to 46 percent, after the two were dead even on Saturday.

And what about those other March 4 states? The ones thinking, “What about us?”

It looks like Clinton’s best shot of a big win on Tuesday is in Rhode Island, where a new poll shows her leading, 49% to 40%.

And in my adopted home state of Vermont, it looks like Obama should have an equally easy victory. Polling is relatively scarce, but a poll a few days ago from the local CBS affiliate showed Obama leading Clinton, 53% to 39%.

When was the last primary or caucus that was within the margin of error?

  • Check this site out, it’s the best place a political junkie can go to keep on top of polls. It “polls the polls” and gives a line of best fit for all the contests plus the national polling:

    http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

    As for who will win on Tuesday, Intrade.com has..

    A 45% chance for Obama to win Ohio
    A 75% chance for Obama to win the Texas PRIMARIES (the caucuses are not given but Obama presumably has an even better chance in them)
    A 96% chance for Obama to win Vermont
    A 23% chance for Obama to win Rhode Island

    Fun!

  • Almost super Tuesday is nearly upon us, but remember that the new conventional wisdom is that Sen Obama must win all four states – and handily at that – to claim any sort of victory. And here i thought that VT and RI wouldn’t count because they were too small; TX wouldn’t count because it is a red state AND it has a caucus; and OH would only be marginal, given its current status as purple.

    I’ll tell ya, i can barely keep up with the shifting sands of conventional wisdom. Perhaps it is time to return to the rather more clear cut study of revisionist history.

  • This is going to be fun. Just pray the lawyers dont get their paws on it. This contest has been so good for the Democrats so far, it would be a shame to see the ultimate result tainted. Would be great to see both candidates say tomorrow that they will abide by the decision of this byzantine process unless it is subverted.

    Preventative care is the way to ensure the health of our democracy and party. Drastic action in the ER is not the way to go.

  • It almost doesn’t matter. Clinton’s not going to get the margins she needs. I just want this thing over.

  • Tuesday night, March 4, 2008 it will be Obama by 30% over Hillary in Vermont, it will be Obama by 10% over Hillary in Rhode Island, it will be Obama by 10% over Hillary in Ohio and it will be Obama by 10% over Hillary in Texas. Get out your Obama broom, for it will be a clean sweep.

  • When do the polls close in each state? And when do the doors close or the caucuses end in Texas? I ask because james k. sayre’s prediction in #8 has made me think that if Rhode Island goes for Obama instead of polls-favored Clinton, then Obama will probably sweep the rest of the night due to an effective ground-game that eludes polling.

    Lex’s comment in #4 about Clinton – ahem – I mean, conventional wisdom is so right on.

  • Mrs. Clinton is obviously the most qualified candidate in both parties. I’m an American I stay up late to watch the debates. So far she is the only candidate that demonstrated the qualities and experience that US needs during these turbulent times.

    Obama may be brilliant, but certainly not ready for the 2008 White House. Politics isn’t about looking nice and talking sweet; it’s about tough choices and decisions. Americans have to separate enthusiasm founded on wishes and dreams from pedigree, know-how, and a demonstrated capacity to deliver.
    We are million voting for Hillary more then half we will never vote for BARACK OBAMA if Hillary is not the nominee of the Democrats we will vote Republican. True Independents

  • Unless Hillary wins BIG in Texas and Ohio, she won’t gain any delegates. If she doesn’t gain any delegates, it’s a win for Obama, and the race is all but over. But I don’t think a BIG win for Hillary is in the cards. All the movement in the polls seems to be in Obama’s direction.

    RI and VT count of course, but they are likely to cancel each other out.

  • Mrs. Clinton is obviously the most qualified candidate in both parties.

    The only things the Clintons are qualified for the the re-destruction of a re-invigorated democratic party. Just like they did in 1994 when they lost a 40 year democratic majority, crippled health care reform for 15 years, and sent American jobs overseas with their NAFTA treaty.

    The Clintons are evil. They aren’t even real democrats.
    They are center-right liars who don’t give a goddamn sou about poor people.
    I feel for anybody who buys into their “experience” bullshit…

  • Senator Clinton has demonstrated in her abjectly clueless campaign that she is not ready to be president. She assumed she would be the annointed Democratic nominee by Super Tuesday and accordingly made no plans to campaign beyond that point (kind of like Dick & George’s excellent adventure in Iraq). In Pennsylvania, she failed to file a full delegate slate. She was unprepared for the notorious Texas “Two Step” primary/caucus procedure and is threatening a lawsuit in order to muddy the Texas results. She disses and discounts each state she loses in, she whines that the media has it in for her (well, they do, to be fair–but they’ve got it in for Obama, too, so that’s a wash–and at least he doesn’t whine about it). She has chosen to run as the angry, shrill candidate–never a big crowd pleaser. In her constant references to “my husband,” she subliminally tells us that perhaps it would really be Bill Clinton we’d be voting for. Every time she attacks Obama, she goes down in the polls. And on, and on.

    If she can’t run an effective primary campaign, how on earth will she manage to beat John McCain? And if she did beat him (she wouldn’t), how on earth would she handle the presidency? Just turn it over to Bill when the going gets tough? Because that worked so well in South Carolina, didn’t it?

    Do we really think that this person can lead our country out of the mammoth, epic mess that the Bush administration is leaving behind?

  • For any democrats to vote republican, (Texas Joe) you re know democrat! Please, I don’t care who wins Obama or Clinton but two say you’ll vote for Bush/McCain is stupid. You don’t care about Healtcare, Taxes, or the Middle Class. You sir, are a loser. Matter fact we don’t want you vote.

    DittoHead

  • The Statue of Liberty stills stands: Men made her and the statue is a perfect example of Men behind Women!!!

    HILLARY IS A GODDESS OF FREEDOM LIKE THE STATUE OF LIBERTY~

    THE STATUE OF LIBERTY IS A WOMAN NOT A MAN! Why is freedom symbolized by a woman?

    IMAGINE THE STATUE OF LIBERTY IN THE LIKENESS OF HILLARY and THE WORLD WILL WITNESS the TRUE POWER OF FREEDOM IN ACTION

    THE STATUE OF LIBERTY IS HILLARY IN ACTION~

    Woman are peacemakers, protectors, caretakers and givers of life, hope and truth.

    Would the statue of liberty have the same power to inspire and liberate if IT WAS A SYMBOL OF A MAN?

    If the statue was a man would it hold the torch of freedom?

    Men are violent by nature. They love to play war games. Men love to fight, mame and kill. Their first natural reaction to conflict is to fight.

    Think about it? Would there be WARS if the world was made up of women? Would there be Wars if the world was runned by women?

    Men love symbols that represent war: war games, guns, knives. blood. They give movie titles names like “THERE WILL BE BLOOD”. Men create the wars and women and chidren suffer and die. Unfortunately men die too. Men destroy themselves.

    IF YOU A LOOKING FOR REAL CHANGE HIRE A WOMAN FOR THE NEXT AMERICAN PRESIDENT. HILLARY IS A WOMAN! PEACE WILL NEVER HAPPEN WITH A MAN IN CHARGE – THERE WILL ONLY BE MORE OF THE SAME.

    America grasp this Golden opportunity “To wittness and experience the Statue of Liberty in Action”

  • Half of Obama’s plans are policies the Clintons formulated in the 90s, like healthcare reform and reaching across the aisle. The other half are panders to the young and clueless, like campaign reform, which is about as possible as Nader’s proportional representation. We could have had the most brilliant policy experts of our lives, with a massive record of achievement. But corporate power couldn’t face all the real change of another Clinton administration. So the media unleashed their bile monsters, also known as your freindly neighborhood pundits. And now we’ll get a naive poser fumbling over complex systems he doesn’t understand.
    http://a-civilife.blogspot.com

  • But MsJoanne (18) — If there’s a website about it, it MUST be true!!

    And Angelspeaks (19) — That is the worst reason I’ve heard yet to vote for Hillary. So we can see the Statue of Liberty in action?? What? Generalizations don’t win hearts and minds, and they don’t make sense. Please make a logical, specific, accurate argument, or keep it to yourself.

  • Texas Joe @ 11: Americans have to separate enthusiasm founded on wishes and dreams from pedigree, know-how, and a demonstrated capacity to deliver.

    Pedigree? You’ve gotta be kidding me! I will refrain from dismantling the rest of your foolishness.

  • The Clinton supporters just keep getting creepier.

    Anyway, I predict a split decision with some big guns coming out to endorse Obama on the 5th. Clinton will stay in for a week or two but with Pennsylvania already swinging to Obama, I predict she drops out by the 20th.

  • I wonder, isn’t this the most number of primaries – people who have been needed to vote – to decide a Presidential primary in the last forty years?

    Isn’t that grand?

  • Popular vote:

    Vermont: Obama 61%, Clinton 39%.
    Rhode Island: Clinton 54%, Obama 46%.
    Ohio: Clinton 54%, Obama 46%.
    Texas: Obama 53%, Clinton 47%.

    Delegate count:

    Vermont: Obama 9, Clinton 6.
    Rhode Island: Clinton 11, Obama 10.
    Ohio: Clinton 75, Obama 66.
    Texas: Obama 104, Clinton 89.

    Total delegates for the day: Obama 189, Clinton 181.

    Clinton will have to win big in Ohio to counter an Obama win in Texas. Even if he loses the popular vote there, he will likely get more delegates on account of his ground game in the caucus. Clinton would have to do significantly better than the polls have been showing simply to reverse the 8-point gap I’m predicting.

    I don’t see any room for Clinton to pick up the numbers of delegates she was hoping for.

  • Interesting prediction by Klaus @ 23. Very sane.
    I don’t think I can do any better than that, with one exception:

    The Clintons will not drop out.
    They will fight this thing all the way to August and the convention in Denver.
    And maybe past that to the Supreme Court.

    I have 0 faith that they will do what’s best for the democratic party.
    Z-E-R-O.
    They are as insane as their supporters…
    Which is also to say: Check under your bed tonight, make sure Lady Liberty isn’t hiding under there with a sawed-off shotgun.

  • This weekend, the Obama campaign made one million phone calls into Texas and Ohio from California, with supporters going to the website, where they can download a phone banking tool, a list of 20 phone numbers to call, and a script. As of tonight, David Pouffle is e-mailing for a total of 500,000 more calls by tomorrow night.

    This is actually a pretty easy thing to do. Go to http://My.BarakObama.com/callTX – if you don’t have your My Barack Obama account it is easy to set up. This is a great way to spread the grass roots. As someone who had done this professionally, my advice is to read over the script and put it into your words, emphasizing the points that “ring your bell.” You are selling your sincerity, and enthusiasm counts.

    And Clinton has nothing like this going on at all.

  • ROTF – I think you’re totally wrong. At the worst, she’ll lose Texas, not do well enough in Ohio, and extend things to her eventual loss in PA; but I don’t see her taking it past that. And I think she’ll bow out after she loses Texas. The Clintons are not insane and they’ve already damaged the Clinton brand enough as it is. But without any real chance of winning, she won’t hurt her longterm success with this.

    I’m not one to say that Hillary is “calculated” and I think Bill has a big hand in the decision, but she definitely strikes me as someone who looks to longterm prospects. Unfortunately, she plays it according to a short-term game, for example, not realizing how badly the Bushies would bungle everything (something I predicted). But if you can say anything about the Clintons, they know what to do when they see the writing on the wall. They might not be all that great at gaming things into the future, but they’ll at least know how to shift course when things are really against them. They might act as if they’re not going to give up, but that’s also par for the course with them: They talk a much tougher game than they’ll give.

  • […] I predict a split decision with some big guns coming out to endorse Obama on the 5th. — Klaus, @23

    The push has already begun to make sure that “it’s now or never” for her to catch up in delegate count and that, barring a big win on Tuesday, she ought to bow out. One of the “pushers” — Richardson — did surprise me; I had him pegged as a natural Clinton supporter.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/us/politics/02cnd-campaign.html?hp

    Also according to the same source (New York Times), Clinton has a promising career with Saturday Night Live, after her yesterday’s unexpected performance 🙂

  • libra – A real Clinton supporter would insist that she bows out if she doesn’t win big on Tuesday. If she doesn’t, she doesn’t stand a chance to win and will only hurt herself.

    The main thing that bugs me in all this is that the Clinton people were admitting this not too long ago. They were the ones who considered these two states to be their firewall. It was only after the numbers started tilting against her that they started pretending that they didn’t need to win big in both Texas and Ohio. But this has nothing to do with spin. She just doesn’t have the numbers on her side.

  • Oh yeah, It is getting touchy in Texas, I have personally received six recorded messages a day from Clinton’s camp for the past 6 days, we have even called and asked them to stop. I have received one live call from the Obama camp. All are reminding us to go to the caucus. ( Like it is something new) We are ready for November and the change, 12 years of a Bush on the ballot has duped us all.

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