Some senators enjoy the benefits of hindsight

Looking back, it’s a little hard to believe, but in October 2002, 77 our of 100 senators voted for the Iraq war resolution. With this number in mind, ABC News’ Jake Tapper reported on an interesting survey — how do those 77 feel now? ABC asked each of them and, after acknowledging the obvious difficulties in recreating all the various political factors, found that Bush “would never have been given the authority to use force in Iraq.”

By ABC News’ count, if the Senators knew then what they know now, only 43 — at most — would still vote to approve the use of force and the measure would be defeated. And at least 57 senators would vote against going to war, a number that combines those who already voted against the war resolution with those who told ABC News they would vote against going to war, or said that the pre-war intelligence has been proven so wrong the measure would lose or it would never even come to a vote.

For any Senate vote to switch from 77-23 in favor to essentially 57-43 against is quite remarkable, and far more so for a decision as significant as the one to go to war. […]

Twenty-eight of the 77 senators who voted to authorize the war in Iraq indicated, many for the first time, that they would not vote the same way with the benefit of hindsight. Six others indicated that, in retrospect, the intelligence was so wrong the matter would not have passed the Senate, or would not have even come up for a vote.

“This is very significant,” said congressional scholar Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute. “If they were asked that question a year ago, I think the likelihood of getting anywhere close to a majority voting against the war would be impossible. What this tells me is that Gordon Smith’s very stunning speech was in some ways the tip of the iceberg.”

Some of the senators from 2003 are no longer in office, but those who now know better include Republicans (Campbell, Fitzgerald, Bob Smith, Snowe, Hutchison, Specter) and Dems (Biden, Dodd, Breaux, Rockefeller, Daschle).

Some owned up to their mistake, others took a cowardly way out. Former Sen. Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.) said, “We rushed into there, very frankly, we were kind of pushed in. The problem with being a public official is public opinion jams you around. And public opinion then was we had to do something about all the people being abused and tortured and killed.”

Yes, of course, it’s Americans’ fault Sen. Campbell was wrong. Classy.

Regardless, the real mystery for me are the 43 senators — some still in office, some not — who still think they made the right call.

Many senators stood by their vote, including Republican Sens. Dick Lugar of Indiana, Sam Brownback of Kansas, Pete Domenici of New Mexico, Orrin Hatch of Utah and former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee, as well as Sens. Joe Lieberman, formerly a Democrat but now an independent from Connecticut, and Ben Nelson, a Nebraska Democrat.

Other senators that had previously expressed such sentiments included former Sen. George Allen, R-Va., and Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., who has said in retrospect he would still vote for war for “humanitarian” reasons.

In his 2004 speech to the Republican National Convention, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said the issue of whether or not Saddam Hussein “possessed the terrible weapons he once had and used, freed from international pressure and the threat of military action, he would have acquired them again.”

The war in Iraq remains the right decision, McCain said, because “we couldn’t afford the risk posed by an unconstrained Saddam in these dangerous times.”

The ABC report seemed to suggest 43 Senate votes represents real progress, especially compared to the 77 who voted for the resolution in 2002, but I had the opposite take — 43 policy makers now know Iraq had no WMD, no connection to 9/11, no nuclear program, no meaningful ties to al Qaeda, is filled with ethnic strife that led to a civil war, and has devolved into a catastrophe of historic proportions, look back and conclude, “Yep, I made the right call.”

Isn’t this almost the definition of “delusional”?

How many of the Republicans who voted for the war in Iraq for humanitarian reasons also supported the efforts in the former Yugoslavia?

  • There’s no excuse. It was obviously a load of bullshit even then. I knew it. For Robertson to stick with his vote on “humanitarian” grounds is totally absurd.

  • Yes ml, humantarian reasons didn’t mean thing to Republicans until later when they needed a new excuse for the war.

    I think one question that was never answered (except by reality) was, If you want to set a people free from a dictator, is the best way to do that to bomb the shit out of them?

  • i gotta say, while people like Brownback, Lieberman, etc dont surprise me, I am totally amazed at Lugar. that just seems totally out of character. and Nelson needs to wake up and realize the doesn’t have to say that to survive as a D in a red state anymore.

  • CB – I had the exact same reaction. As I was reading it, I said to myself “43? What’s wrong with these people?” I think they’re still bullshitting and just trying not to break faith with the president (yet). They can say humanitarian reasons and feel good about themselves and the keep faith with the nutjobs on the right. The reality is that no way would they have voted to invade Iraq if the only issue was a human rights one. The outcry would have been tremendous – what about Sudan? Rwanda a few years back? Hell, the Khmer Rouge for that matter? We have a long history of not getting involved in other country’s self-inflicted genocides. I doubt Iraq would have been any different.

    So maybe delusional, more likely just calculating.

  • There’s an extremely interesting piece in Foreign Affairs by Melvin Laird, Nixon’s Secretary of Defense at the ending of the Vietnam War about the lesson of Vietnam for the Iraq situation. When you cut through his self-justification and always remember who you’re reading, it’s still fascinating.
    http://snipurl.com/16op8

    It gives you some insight into those 43 who won’t admit that Iraq is a bad idea.

  • McCain said, because “we couldn’t afford the risk posed by an unconstrained Saddam in these dangerous times.”

    Whaaaa? Two no-fly zones, an emaciated military, heavy-duty sanctions, weapons inspectors and McCain says he was “unconstrained.” Bulls*%t John.

    The last election shows that everything is right with the world. Dems get bravery from being in the majority, Repubs find bravery when they are in the minority party.

  • Those guys sure will look foolish after the Iraqiis run out of people to kill, and our deft oversight of the ethnic cleansing allows things to stabalize.

  • I recall that the authorization for use of force was partly to get the weapons inspectors back into Iraq. By holding this threat over Sadaam’s head we got them back in.
    When they were allowed back in, I had a glimmer of hope that there would not be war. Was Bush enough of a statesman to take yes for an answer? But because I knew of the PNAC, I felt that we were doomed because of Bush’s cohorts.
    So, here we are. No one listened to reason, and we can partly blame the 9/11 hysteria for that. Not that The Bush crime family did all that it could to whip up that hysteria, as well as conflating 9/11 with Iraq.
    This is depressing, I’m going out for a beer.

  • “What this tells me is that Gordon Smith’s very stunning speech was in some ways the tip of the iceberg.” — Norman Ornstein, AEI

    What it tells me is that a bunch of Senators flinched in the face of a nationalist, transparently fraudulent effort by Bush to become a war president by creating a war. Afraid to be called cowards in the face of a bully, they became cowards in the face of a bully. Forget all this, “had I known then what I know now.” They should have stood up to Bush knowing what they knew then. War has no undo key. Take a walk down the Mall to the Vietnam memorial if you think it does.

  • The problem with being a public official is public opinion jams you around. And public opinion then was we had to do something about all the people being abused and tortured and killed.”

    After I read this I thought “But Abu Gharib happened AFTER we invaded.” Then I realized he was playing a shell game with the reason we went in and the reason public opinion was behind the invasion.

    Oh well, I guess Campbell now realizes the other problem with being a public official. Public opinon can decide you are a dick and send you to the unemployment lines.

    Perhaps I’m just abnormally cynical but I never believed Hussein was a threat to the US and I was disgusted that anyone Hopped on the BushCo Magical Hysteria Tour (TM). If some of them are finally boarding the clue bus (or at least pretending because that’st the cool thing to do)…fine, but now what will you do now that the damn blinders have finally fallen off? Just saying “Oh I feel dreadful!” won’t stop people dying.

    As for the the terminally deluded cretins, there are no surprises on the list to me. We’ll see how they feel after the hearings start.

  • I predict that if they ask this question in late 2007, they’ll get a lot less than 43 votes to support the statement “Given what we know now, I would still vote to screw the pooch”.

    Please, “liberal media”, ask this question of the pooch screwers every now and then. And let the people who voted against screwing the pooch have a seat, if not the majority at your weekly roundtable discussions. I for one am really tired of seeing nothing but roundtables full of people who voted to screw the pooch and people who cheered on the screwing, and those who did the screwing… telling us how screwed the pooch is, and how badly the Iranian pooch really needs to be screwed too.

  • If there was any public sentiment for the war in Iraq it had everything to do with the lie of the mushroom cloud being the first warning of our demise. And that, my friends, is no lasting justification for anything but impeachment and war criminal trials.

  • Read the link,people. It’s not 43 who still think their vote was correct. Only 15 assert that. The others are non-responses including a couple who are sick or died since 2002. Of the 15, two are running for president as Republicans so they may be lying although Brownback is crazy enough to still believe it was a good idea.

  • For any Senate vote to switch from 77-23 in favor to essentially 57-43 against is quite remarkable, and far more so for a decision as significant as the one to go to war.

    Just a reminder here, Congress did NOT vote “to go to war”, they voted to let Bush decide whether to go to war. In so doing, they helped get UN 1441 passed and they helped persuade Saddam to let the UN Weapons Inspectors back in. A credible threat of war can be a powerful weapon for peace.

    “The decider” is the one who got us into this war, not Congress. Congress’s mistake was that they trusted Bush.

  • Will is right. This was not a vote to go to war, but a vote to trust Bush. What we see now is that they do not trust Bush.

    I am truly mystified by the Senators and Congress people who are crying that we must support the Commander in Chief. This is a complete lack of understanding about what their job is, and what they just swore an oath to. I did 14 years in the US Navy where the President was my C-in-C and I supported my chain of command. Now, I’m dealing with a rogue Federal employee that works for ME. Congress needs to understand their job is to prevent further rash action by a rogue President who is clearly no longer acting in the best interests of the US people or the US Constitution.

  • Make no mistake, the Iraq war is a disaster.

    A disaster from day one.

    The only question now, is how much will it cost

    Those that lost a loved one, or a serviceman who lost a limb, already have their answer – the rest of us are still calculating

    The responsibility to declare war, is given to congress, and congress alone via the constitution from our founding fathers

    yet, this power was transfered to a known drunk driver, G Bush

    Who gave the keys of war, a change of policy to first strike, delegated to an extreme concentration of power to an unworthy ‘decider’ G Bush?

    Well, one of the co-sponsors of the Iraq war resolution, was none other than John Edwards – he of course, voted for it also

    Now, he tells us he admits it was a mistake

    Think about it – if YOU gave your keys to a drunk driver 10 years ago in north carolina, and many people got killed and injured, and you admitted you made a mistake

    would john edwards have advocated you get a big promotion?

    or would he have taken you to the cleaners?

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