State of the Union open thread

A few readers have asked about SOTU plans for the evening, as they relate to the site. Alas, I will not be live-blogging the speech — I’ve never been able to figure out how to listen, analyze, and type simultaneously — but I thought I’d create an open thread for readers who wanted to discuss the address.

So, before the speech, feel free to make predictions about what we’ll hear and see.

After the speech, feel free to weigh in on what you saw. Was it a good speech? Will it affect the political landscape? How was Tim Kaine’s response? How was the media coverage of the address?

Rest assured, there will be full team coverage in the morning — and by “team,” I mean me — unless something truly remarkable happens, in which case I’ll probably feel compelled to mention it later tonight.

Update: Don’t feel like waiting up and sitting through all the applause? Think Progress has a copy of the entire speech, which was embargoed, but which they broke. Why? Because, as the TP gang put it, “We’ll start respecting White House embargoes when they start telling the truth.”

Update 2: I’m not sure where this first appeared, but I got it via email and thought it was amusing.

For the first time since he was elected President of the United States, George W. Bush’s State of the Union address tonight will be simulcast in English, the White House confirmed.

With the president’s approval ratings sagging, the decision to simulcast the speech in English was widely seen as an attempt by the president to make an appeal to a broader audience.

“The majority of people in this country are English speaking, and quite frankly, we can’t afford to ignore them any longer,” one senior aide said. “Hopefully, by doing the English simulcast, we’ll be reaching out to a lot of those folks.”

Once the decision was made earlier in the month to launch the historic first English simulcast of a speech by President Bush, then began the hard work of translating the text of the address from Mr. Bush’s language into English.

Davis Logsdon, a professor of linguistics at the University of Minnesota, was one of several scholars approached to do the translation who ultimately quit in frustration.

“The problem is that the language the president speaks, by most measures, is not a language at all,” Professor Logsdon said.

I stand by my prediction of a Bush-Cheney resignation announcement tonight. The only question is whether he’ll go with the Biden-Clark replacement team, as the conventional wisdom predicts, or whether he’ll go for the ballsier (yet smarter) Biobrain-Clark team, as I recommended. Sure, I’m still a year shy of being old enough, but Bush hasn’t let that pesky constitution thing stop him yet, and I see no reason why he’d start now. Wish me luck.

  • What we’ll hear are the bleatings of a small, squinty-eyed rodent that’s afraid of its shadow prognosticating on a future it doesn’t understand.

    Oh! Wait a minute! That’s Groundhog Day.

  • Do yourself and your liver a favor and don’t play and SOTU drinking games 😉

    (Unless the rules are something like drinking for every time Bush says “universal health care” or “global warming” or “Osama bin Laden”.)

  • I stand by my prediction of a Bush-Cheney resignation announcement tonight.

    Now wouldn’t that be interesting!

    Wish me luck.

    Dr. B, I don’t know you, but you’ve got to be better than Bush. I’ll be pulling for you tonight…..

  • Tom – too, too classic.

    What we’ll see – smugness in absolute personification. I won’t start out watching, but I know that I’ll be clicking back&forth.

  • I don’t want to know. I’ll be watching Fantôme de la Liberté — I kid you not. Do I prefer Netflix to Bush’s version of democracy? Definitely.

  • Biobrain you amaze me and I suppose you always will.
    Pinky

    Whenever I see the empty phrases Bush will spout tonight, my first thought is, “Yeah and last year you were going to Mars.”

  • He will make a grand statement that America is addicted to oil (as is being reported by wire services). Then he will announce a Manhattan Project to develop alternative energy sources, for which he will request funding in the amount of…(dramatic pause, with pinkie raised to lips)…ONE MILLION DOLLARS.

  • I don’t know how many of you are Arianna Huffington
    fans – I know I am. She’ll be on tonight:

    “I’ll be on Anderson Cooper’s show on CNN tonight (10:30 pm EST/ 7:30 pm PST and 11 pm EST/8 pm PST), along with Andrew Sullivan and Andy Borowitz, discussing the State of the Union,” she says.

  • Ownership Society II 100% tax write offs for all costs related to the purchase and maintenance of up to and including three (3) personal or household servants. We will create 1,000,000,000 new jobs and 2,000,000 of them will be given to illegal Mexican immigrants. The good thing is that domestic labor cannot be outsourced. That means that they cannot move that job overseas. By overseas I mean another country that is not the United States.

    Each straight, male head of household ove the age of 18 will be given a voucher for the purchase of a domestic servant from the free market. People making under 80% median income will be able to use their voucher to purchase a Mexican caught by the militia patroling our boarders.

    To jump start the project Haliburton will provide 50,000 domestic servants to millitary officers, free of charge.

    Cleaning the bathroom and taking the kids to soccer practice it hard work. Americans deserve help with this hard work.

    OR

    I President George W. Bush, under the authority of teh United States Consitiution, hereby dissolve the Congress of the United States and assume full and total power over all national, state and local goverments.

    I cannot decide.

  • It’ll be war and terror, terror and war, war and terror…oh, and some of that domesticated stuff.

    The subliminal messages tonight will be:

    “Fear”
    “Be afraid”
    “Terror”
    “Fear”
    “I am your protector”
    “Fear”
    “Terror”
    “Be afraid”
    and so on and so forth….

  • Just heard that Cindy Sheehan, who had been given a ticket to the SOTU by a member of Congress, was arrested by the Park Police. Anything to avoid embarrassing bubble boy.

  • Re update 2: What, no comment from opposition Dems about how Bushian is this country’s official language?

    (Funny stuff, thanks.)

  • I knew I couldn’t listen to the Commander in Codpiece, so I went to the Think Progress transcript. I tried to read it CB, but the mental gagging turned to actual nausea, and I had to stop.

  • So he was basically running from being a Republican for the whole speech.

    A few other points:

    -President Bush’s speech has allayed my concerns about the human-animal hybrids- but what about the cyborgs??? A notable omission, by any standard.

    -President Bush says again that he wants judges not to legislate from the bench, but he legislates from the Oval Office, though. It’s called the ‘executive’ branch. Separation of powers, fundamental to our democracy, first kind of nation like that inthe world, etc.

    -Were Bush’s remarks about Coretta Scott King a subtle jab at Cheney??? Surely, since Cheney is his VP, Bush must be aware of his well-documented record of hatred for the black man.

  • Dude, hang out, as I like to say in SF. But in all serious, I played the drinking game, and was wretching when the part about HSAs must have been on, as I apparently missed it. Or perhaps it was a moment of unconsciousness. Anyway, maybe it is the alcohol talking, but I thought Governor Kaine hit it out of the park, well, almost, it kinda bounced off the Green Monster..or something like that. I was kinda cringing at the “there’s a better way” but it came sort of close to my “we’re on the wrong course” theme, so it wasn’t sooooo bad. But he could have seemed a bit more forceful at times. Too much Mr Rogersish stuff kinda reinforces the wimpiness factor. Anyway, I have to take a break now. Brain, broken…must be noo-cue-lar radiation posioning or something…

  • I didn’t watch the entire speech, as there was a hockey game on that required my watching. But flipping between the two, I noticed that Bush’s speech sounded all too familiar. The only new information I caught, as mentioned above, was the his firm stance against human-animal hybrids. This finally lays to rest my fears of being accosted by a gang of extremist minotaurs. Thank you, sir.

  • Oh and another thing I noticed, Bush does a really poor job of tying his tie. Cheney’s was also sub-par, but Bush’s was just plain bad.

  • Human-animal hybrids?

    So in other words, America will not turn into “The Island of Dr. Moreau.”

    That’s good to know. Otherwise we’re f***ed, right?

  • BTW, whatever happened to the diplomatic corps? There used to always be lots of them at the SOTU addresses. This time they introduced the TWO “deans of the diplomatic corps”. Were they afraid the usual “foreigners” might disrupt things? I know the world hates us, but diplomats can usually be expected to be diplomatic.

  • “human-animal hybrids”

    Though I cannot disagree with the assertion that he IS on the pipe, this might refer to experiments in which human stem cells would be transplanted into primate brains for research on neurodegenerative disorders such as Parkinson’s Disease…the terminology is pretty hyperbolic, of course.

    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/309/5733/385
    http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2005/07_14_05.html

    While I agree with the sentiments of the panel, this section of the SOTU is typical Bushite fear mongering. The implication is that embryos are being created, bought, and sold for stem cell research. Surely that isn’t ethical, but I don’t know of US researchers who advocate such an approach. Also, why he isn’t ready to prohibit the creation of embryos for in vitro fertilization, where unused embryos are often destroyed later?

    I strongly support ethical guidelines for stem cell research and being proactive about discussing the morality of potential stem cell techniques. However, essentially claiming that such research relies on a seedy pseudo-black market, and using frightening terms like “human-animal hybrid”, only make it more difficult to undertake the necessary dialogue. Oh, wait. That was the point.

  • “The problem is that the language the president speaks, by most measures, is not a language at all.”

    There’s a word for it: “idio[t]glossia.”

  • “So he was basically running from being a Republican for the whole speech.” – Swan

    Nope, he is running away from the anti-imigrant, pro-isolationist, Pat Buchanan wing of the party. He is trying to tell them to shut up and let him rule America his way.

    Conservatism in America is an unnatural alliance off zebras, antilope and wilderbeast herded together only by the lions of reality roaring at their edges 😉 They would (and sometimes do) tear each other apart if they weren’t worried about liberals and progressives and good-government democrats.

    CB being one of those lions, of course!

  • I thought the Dem response was horrible. Call me crazy, but his eyebrow looked fake. Where are our Kennedy’s, King’s, etc.? Where is passion and excitement? It was like they were trying to out Bush Bush. Waste of time.

    Clear. Alternative. Needed.

  • I too was underwhelmed. Although I am concerned about human/animal hybrids I am for ethanol/electric hybrids. The man is a menace.

    I wathced on CNN (PBS did not show the speach).
    Did anyone notice-
    1) They seemed to have a really good camera angle on the Repub side of the House but not so much on the Dem side.
    2) Alito looked like a giddy school girl at the 7th grade dance.
    3) The reaction from the folks in the “Situation Room” was luke-warm at best. Everyone came to the conclusion that Bush is out of money and political capital and really cannot afford to do anything he suggested.

    Tim Kaine delivered a good speach I think. He needs to batten down that right eyebrow however. Very distracting. On the positive side he framed Dem solutions as bi-partisan and common sense. He is a much better speaker than W. I agree with yeaterday’s thread. Dems should forgo the 10 minute rebuttal and fill a room with Dem partisans and allow applause lines etc.

    In general, I doubt Bush will get much of a bump from this highly retorical fluff. Anyone can get applause by saying “America should be strong and lead the world.” Where he takes a dive is in how he believes we get there.

    Oh well. Back to work.

  • I particularly enjoy the irony of how we’re spreading democracy abroad, and locking up Cindy Sheehan for her unapproved message shirt while blathering about the necessity of warrantless secret spying at home.

    Democracy…. “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

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