Strategery

I may get criticized for this, and maybe this isn’t the kind of thing I’m supposed to put in print, but I’m a bit concerned about how Dems and the left in general will approach John Roberts’ Supreme Court nomination.

For me, this is largely a question of pragmatism. We have a conservative president and a Senate with a 55-seat Republican majority. If Dems are to successfully block any Supreme Court nominee, we would first need to keep all 45 Dems together. That is no small feat; the New York Times reported today that Joe Lieberman said before the nomination that that “he was likely to support Mr. Roberts if he was nominated.” Chances are, Lieberman isn’t the only Dem who’d consider breaking ranks.

Putting that aside, even if the caucus was united against a nominee, Dems would need to either a) peel off six Republican votes; or b) successfully filibuster the nominee, while steering clear of the nuclear option. If this isn’t likely to happen, we need to act and plan accordingly. Wasting resources to beat a nominee who is going to win doesn’t make a lot of sense.

I’ve heard from several Dem friends today, many of whom have suggested that Roberts is a nightmare nominee. He’s not. Roberts is a conservative partisan, but he’s not James Dobson with a law degree. Through the course of the confirmation process, it’s certainly possible that damaging and embarrassing revelations will come to light that could put his nomination in jeopardy. If it does, Dems will have a responsibility to take a firm stand. Short of that, however, Dems need to do their due diligence but consider the fact that an all-out judicial war is not only unwise in this case, it’s also likely to fail.

There are certain lines Dems cannot allow Republicans to cross — I don’t think this is one of them.

Does this mean that Dems should roll over and play dead? Give Roberts a free pass? Of course not. I’m suggesting we keep the endgame in mind and make the best of a bad situation.

What would that include? I think Matthew Yglesias is on the right track.

Realistically, it seems that there’s no stopping Roberts unless there turns out to be some kind of serious dirt on him. Nevertheless, I think it’s important for liberals to underscore what’s going on here and what kinds of bad consequences having Justice Roberts on the bench for what’s likely to be a term of several decades will be. A pretty serious undermining of the rights of women is almost certain to be among those consequences.

A Kos diarist is thinking along the same lines.

There are plenty of fights we can win. But there are good losses too, and this is the concept that many refuse to accept. You can lose in a way that makes people sympathize with the principle you fought for. You can lose in a way that sets the stage to make a compelling case later. If you send a clear message to the American people that “we oppose Roberts because X will happen if he is confirmed,” and then X does happen, now you have your campaign issue for 2008, 2012, and beyond. “Elect Democrats so we can roll back X and make sure it never happens again.”

Right now, we haven’t agreed on what X is. It might be Roe v. Wade, it might be destruction of environmental laws and other protections, it might be a lot of things. I will guarantee you this: if the Dems don’t settle on a unified message, if it ends up being the same old shotgun approach that “Roberts will outlaw abortion, birth control, favor corporations over people, destroy the environment, reverse the civil rights movement, etc.” it’s not going to get us anywhere. We need a straightforward argument that people can understand, and we can use in future elections, not a boundless rant that says Roberts is the spawn of Satan who will destroy everything good about America. Fortunately, we have over a month before the confirmation hearings, time we can use to get the message straight.

From where I sit, Step 1 is honestly assessing whether the fight can be won. If “no,” Step 2 is maximizing the benefit of defeat.

Critics may suggest that this approach implicitly argues that Roberts is “not that bad.” There’s some truth to this. When Bork was nominated, Dems knew immediately that he was beyond the pale and his fanaticism would be enough to defeat him with Republican allies. Likewise, had Bush nominated Janice Rogers Brown last night, we’d have reason to be apoplectic this morning.

Ultimately, however, if we’re not going to peel off six Republican votes and/or successfully filibuster Roberts, we should prepare for the confirmation hearings accordingly.

Post Script: Keep in mind, this is Bush’s first Supreme Court nominee — but it’s probably not his last. If Dems go after Roberts with a vengeance, and Rehnquist’s replacement is even worse than Roberts, we’ll be less credible when criticizing him or her. Something else to consider.

The Dems should look to ways to try and put the WH on poor ground without necessarily attacking or badmouthing Roberts, or derailing his nomination. For example, Dems should investigate and seek all relevant information and documentation from the WH and Roberts–hopefully, the WH refuses to provided documents. Dems can then say that the WH is stonewalling once again, that this is not just a stonewall of the Senate but of the American people, that they stonewall on everything like the Rove Affair, that the WH cannot be trusted by the public, it is untruthful, not fullfilling its obligations, yadda yadda yadda.

  • I’m with you. Tough opposition is warranted, but he is not bad enough to give up everything to stop him under the current regime.

    What Demcorats really need to do is go balls to the wall in the 06 elections to get a majority Dem Senate so when another jurist retires we can ensure an O’Connor or better.

  • I think your point is well taken, CB. Maybe we should all look at this from someone else’s perspective, someone like Ann Coulter for example. She makes the point that there’s simply too thin a record here, other than his stint as a paid mouthpiece. Even his time spent as the Bush Crime Family consigliere was paid for. Beating our heads against a wall isn’t going to accomplish anything beyond weakening our position later on.

  • I totally agree. Is he worth holding up the Senate for three years? No. That would be a loser for us. But look, this is one of those rare moments when the media has no choice but to give our side some air time. We have to use those opportunities to define ourselves. Just because he’ll be confirmed doesn’t mean we have to participate in the lie that he’s a moderate. He’s not. Let the people know the consequences of a Bush Presidency. Let them know the benefits of bringing the Democrats back to power.

  • I may get criticized for this…

    If anyone on our side thinks we should spend millions of dollars, stop pounding Rove, and go after Roberts, only to see him sail through the Senate, they’re just not thinking ahead.

  • memekiller,

    Let the people know the consequences of a Bush Presidency. Let them know the benefits of bringing the Democrats back to power.

    Agreed with one minor change: “…the consequences of the GOP in control of Congress and the White House.”

    Denigrating Bush is much less powerful than the GOP as a whole. We must take back the Senate in 2006. In order to do this, we need to reinforce the meme that the GOP are beholden to extremist special interests. That way we get some of the people who voted for W in 2004 to vote Dem in 2006. And we can’t do that by denigrating W; the cognitive dissonance would be too great for any given Dem candidate to overcome.

  • CB has the right strategy for Dems. Most of the surpeme court is a thin pulse away from a six or seven seat overhaul within the next five years. Make your points, get your predictions or concerns on the record, and let the subsequent years play it out. If you do a dignified and coherent job of laying down your own vision over the next three years, you may get your own chance to be on the appointing side. I know the difference between an appelate court position ad a supreme court seat can be the difference between chicken shit and chicken salad, but Roberts did get a 99 vote approval to his appointment. I can’t think of anyone so overwhelmingly approved for the job. Don’t flog the ponies on this one, save their strength for another day.

  • Definitely think that there should be tough questioning but this is the SCOTUS and a lifetime appointment I would want that no matter the candidate, no matter the nominating president.

    The fact of the matter is the current pResident is conservative and I am not sure the Dems could win a fight over this particular nominee.

    Coulter doesn’t think he is the right pick http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3acj.htm
    Barnes doesn’t think so either http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/854zcwhn.asp

    I think this poster on Andrew Sullivan had about it right:

    EMAIL OF THE DAY II: “Last night, I saw Howard Fineman call Roberts a ‘brilliant’ pick on one of the cable shows because he is the most conservative candidate Bush could appoint without sparking a battle with Democrats. As usual, Fineman is astonishingly wrong. A better way to characterize Roberts is: the most moderate and uncontroversial candidate Bush could appoint without sparking a battle with James Dobson and the Christianists.

    Three months ago the President would have delighted in jamming an untra conservative like Janice Rogers Brown down the Senate’s throat while invoking the nuclear option and spitting in each Democratic senator’s eye. Fast forward to this week, when he was forced to accept a late night visit from Arlen Spector, who had the audacity to demand that Bush replace O’Conner with a “moderate justice” in order to “maintain the balance.” This the same Spector who was on his knees vowing fealty to the President just last year.

    The Roberts nomination is not a sign that Bush is finally getting “sensible” on judicial matters. It’s an indication of just how politically weak he’s become. Roberts is just conservative enough to squeeze by the Dobson crowd without howls of anger. He is arguably the least conservative of Bush’s “short list” of nominees. Clearly, Bush and Rove were terrified about losing this battle to the Democrats and moderate Republican senators. Having lost already social security and with the Rove scandal boiling, such a loss would be too devastating to contemplate.

    Roberts may turn out to be an extremely conservative justice who votes to strike down Roe v. Wade and many other liberal favorites. The fact that we’re not certain about this must be a bitter pill for Dobson and friends, however.”

  • This is something of a “me too” post, but I’ve been dreading the crankup of the left machine against whatever nominee appeared. This WH will never nominate anyone entirely acceptable to people who, say, value individual rights and freedoms, and there’s not a lot of percentage in blocking anyone but the most batshit insane nominee, which Roberts isn’t.

    Scrutiny, yes. War, no. Eye on the Rove ball, everyone.

  • Roberts will be confirmed, barring some startling revelations
    during the process. It’s a waste of time to go all out opposing
    this nominee.

  • I guess I forgot to add a few points.

    First, I think that this nomination is a bit of a signal as to the weakenss of the president. I also think that it was a defensive pick with regards to the hard core anti-abortionists because there isn’t much of a paper trail on most topics, most especially abortion.

    Second, I can’t help but wonder if Bush & Co want Dems to get defensive and reactionary and hold up the nomination so the can trot out the “up or down vote” meme and point to how the president has put forth a solid nomination and those Dems are just be obstructionist, etc, etc. I say why give him that ammunition. Grill him hard, ask the question that need to be asked. Don’t nitpick and obssess or otherwise look petty. Take the high ground and don’t give it to the administration. Be professional and adult. If this nomination goes hard let it be because some conservative consituency obssesses and makes trouble – that is so much better.

  • I’m with CB, ET and Andrew Sullivan on this one. We knew we were going to get a conservative, we just didn’t know how radical the choice would be. As far as I’ve heard to date he’s never been convicted of a crime, never abused any children or been directly responsible for the death of a single American soldier or Iraqi civilian. Too bring out the long knives now just because of who is nominating him would be unjust and counterproductive. Let’s listen to what he has to say and *then* barbeque him if it seems warranted. The principle of “innocent until proven guilty” is still a good measure absent any certifiable proof to the contrary.

  • so since this position is now turning into the conventional wisdom, i’d like to debunk it, but i can’t: it’s the right one!

    on the other hand, the conventional wisdom that joe lieberman is an ass of unbelievable dimensions is an example that sometimes the conventional wisdom nails it….

  • I didn’t see the “strategery,” because the doggone bleeding
    covered it up. But saw it briefly when I reloaded.

    Clever!

  • For as long as I can remember (And I am an old guy) we liberals have always talked about why electing a democrat as president is important because of who gets to sit on the Supreme Court. Fortunately on many issues we never really have had to face up to a court that voted the way conservatives want it to vote. That may come to an end. And if it does then we will finally have the opportunity and hopefully the energy to say to people, “Yes it is important that we elect a president so that people who share our philosophy can be nominated to the court.”

    Roberts is probably as good as we could hope for although Roe v. Wade is certainly in hospice.

  • Everyone’s on the right track here. By all means, question him, demand documentation, expose his intentions as much as possible – BUT we have to make sure we don’t get distracted or bogged down in a quagmire (where have I heard that before?) of partisan bickering that will a) almost assuredly be unsuccessful and b) alienate fence-sitters who are starting to swing our way. A nasty, ugly, drawn-out hearing plays right into the nutjobs’ hands – it’ll keep the administration’s criminal activity off the front page. We need to save the big guns for the battles yet to come and hope that Rehnquist sticks around until after the 2006 elections.

    It hadn’t occured to me before, but I think this selection IS a sign of Bush’s weakness. I mean, if Fred Barnes and Ann Coulter don’t like him… . The more I hear, the more I think they may have unwittingly given us a gift, especially if we handle the confirmation process the right way. (But perhaps I’m being naive…I’ve been wrong before – “who would vote for this bozo?” “there’s no way this idiot will ever become president” “there’s no way this asshole wins a second term”….)

  • I’m just hoping that we make the religious right get nervous about this, and try to stop him themselves. If we tried to stop him, they’d take that as a sign that he must be ok. But if we’re ok with him, they’ll want to think twice about the whole thing. And while I’m sure he’s been vetted with the religious leaders, it’s still possible that the typical rightie won’t agree with that. As I mentioned at my blog, I would just love to see a repeat of the Schiavo protests outside the hearings. This guy said he’ll support Roe because it’s a legal precedent, and that’s the kind of thinking that can flip these nuts out.

    I would also like to mention that it’s quite possible that we wouldn’t have gotten this kind of nominee had we already lost the filibuster option. It’s always good to have a few aces up your sleeve, even if you never have to use them. It’s the threat of using them that counts.

  • Scrutiny, yes. War, no. Eye on the Rove ball, everyone.
    -boringdiatribe

    Well said!! Let’s keep our eye on the ball. Let’s remember, we DID lose the election. To waste too much time on a likely losing battle here will allow the Repubs to further label us as “obstuctionists”. We need to really focus on the issues of honesty and integrity (and, lack of) with this administration; so that 2006 might become a plus for the Dems!

  • I really hope that the Dems don’t take Rove, er, Bush’s bait. Bush is pretty weak right now so Rove made a very strategic choice in Roberts. Rove knows Roberts is passable because everyone just voted on him, so Dems putting up a HUGE fight only to lose it makes Bush look stronger and the Dems look weak, taking the heat off Rovergate and hurting our chances of making it stick.

    Don’t get me wrong, Dems should be tough on Roberts but avoid looking like whiny little alarmist bitches. I agree that in the grand scheme of things Roberts is no boogeyman, while I certainly don’t like him he doesn’t make me want to move to Canada or camp outside the SCOTUS in civil disobedience either. We need to pick our battles and this really isn’t one of them.

  • he doesn’t make me want to move to Canada…

    I can’t tell you how much I like this. From now on, we might consider The Canada Test. Forget “moderately conservative” vs “hard-right conservative.” This is the distinction that matters. Does the Republican in question make us want to move to Canada or not?

    When it comes to presidential politics, Rick Santorum and Tom Tancredo would fail The Canada Test. On judicial nominations, Janice Rogers Brown and Bill Pryor would fail The Canada Test. John Roberts, I think we’re finding, passes this test.

    Yes, this is very much a back-handed complement. When the standard for a Republican becomes whether he or she literally makes us want to flee the country, you know the GOP has strayed pretty far. (Soft bigotry of low expectations…)

  • Jeez. He’s not wingo enough for Coulter and Barnes.

    Confirm him and move on. Get Rovew back into the spotlight.

  • Whether this particular scenario is a different set of circumstances, I get more than a little tired of the basic shopping list of why we have to play nice and not upset anyone or seem “obstructive”.

    With crepe hangers and hand wringers like all of you, I’m amazed we get any god damned votes at all!

  • I was picking nits on your first two posts today, CB, but on this I agree 100%. One thing you haven’t mentioned is that the image of Congress is in the toilet, with wide perceptions that both sides are too partisan and engage in pointless battles while shirking debate over subjects that really matter etc. This would be a very very visible way to say, loudly, we’re above “mere” partisanship.

  • Ren, exactly what do you think would be accomplished by going all out to stop Roberts? Do you really think this will be the last nominee that Bush will get? If the Democrats are foolish enough to go all out on this guy, who will be viewed by moderate Republicans and independents as as reasonable a nominee as you can get from this WH, what will those people think when it really counts? Shouldn’t what good will the Democrats have be held in reserve in case the next person that Bush nominates is way too far out? Shouldn’t the resources that are being marshalled for this fight be held back for the strong possibility of greater need?

  • Exactly backwards. We need to go after Roberts with gusto, so that the replacement for Reinquist isn’t a right-wing maniac. Waffling or expressing milquetoast “comity” only emboldens our enemies. They don’t understand anything except the Stark Fist of Removal.

    See, you assume weakness. They assume strength. That’s our mistake. And it’s why they win again and again.

    Remember their majority is still narrow. And public opinion is turning against themrapidly. They didn’t get into power by assuming weakness, they got into power by audaciously assuming dominance– remember Bush v. Gore? Remember the “mandate” of November 2004? Come on…

    We have to keep after Rove, and DeLay, and Cunningham, and others. I agree we need to keep focussed on those. But it is a mistake to just waffle and walk away on Roberts.

    Neither do I think that we should “go to the mattresses” on this guy either, unless some of his answers to questions in confirmation hearings are loopy or insane. But… I’m not willing to lay back and just *assume* he’s going to just stupidly give dumb answers either; we need to keep after him, with long hearings, and lots and lots of probing questions. I’d love to have a Ben-Veniste beat him up like he did Rice. Remember, this guy is *not* a known quantity. He could be a maniac in disguise. Or, he coule be a Souter, and we could be quite happy with him. We just don’t know. We have to be bold and aggressive in asking the serious questions, and *then* decide whether to go to the mattresses on him.

    So, my proposal is: ride him like a Brahma bull during the hearings, and see what happens. If he turns out to be an OK guy, we won’t have the votes to block him anyway, so we should let him skate. If he turns out to be a whacko, we *will* have the votes to block him– think Bolton here– and there is no fucking way we should walk away from that fight.

    Please, stop the weak, mamby-pamby, DLC-style thinking: the assumption that public opinion, votes, and political capital are all out of our control and present a limitation we have to work around. They’re not! If we play it right, we will get everything we need. If we give up, we get nothing.

    As Woody Allen said: 90% of success is just showing up. We have to show up for this confirmation fight– and if we can turn the public against this Roberts guy than we need to follow through and fight him with everything we’ve got. If we can’t, then we can probably live with him– and move on to the next fight. But we will have done so from a position of strength.

  • Goatchowder- listen to your comrades; they know the long term strategy. Republicans actually don’t even know their own political strength. They have won 7 out of ten of the last presidential elections, now have a majority of the state gubertorial seats, a majority of the House and Senate, and they still don’t have the nerve to stare down their opponents in a hardball Supreme Court judicial fight (well that, and the fact the neither Bush I or II are are hard core conservative as they are played out to be). Democrats on the other hand, have no problem giving the opposing party the stiff arm when they have the power and the rubber hits the road (I say this with admiration). Perhaps Dems may play weak in the face of the Iron Curtain, or Islamofascists, but not to their political foes.

  • I agree with Carpetbagger and with many of the comments here. Roberts is a shoo-in. But with a cleverness in “strategery” the Dems haven’t shown, damn it, since Bill Clinton went on extended vacation, the issues could be reframed to hang the Republicans or at least make them extremely uncomfortable and quite vulnerable. I’m thinking of the Patriot Act (and the dislike many moderate Repubs have for it) and the ruling on Gitmo (really awful and very embarrassing for the country) and the opportunistic attitudes about church-state separation (Roberts wanted to dump the “Lemon” test) and the fact that Roberts is a “princeling” of the Federalist Society. There’s plenty of material there to raise issues about the administration without directly hurting Roberts or looking like dumb-cluck nay-sayers.

    And don’t forget, anything that threatens Roe will tend to bounce back unfavorably on Republicans, given that a substantial majority wants to leave choice in place. What might be nice is to let them level their guns at Roe and then find it replaced by a much stronger, less vulnerable law with popular support.

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