Sunday Discussion Group

I did a radio show this week and the host asked a pretty engaging question: has Bush done anything right since taking office over five years ago? On the air, nothing came to mind (for either of us), but I thought I’d throw it open to some discussion. There has to be something.

On the big stuff, the president seems to have a reverse Midas touch. His tax cut proposals were supposed to create a record-number of jobs while balancing the budget. Bush failed on both counts. His invasion of Iraq was supposed to seize control of vast stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction while keeping Americans safe and bringing stability to the Middle East. That hasn’t quite worked out according to plan. His Medicare expansion was supposed to be a cost-effective way to expand seniors’ access to affordable prescription medication. It’ turned into a half-trillion dollar debacle that the administration can’t even administer properly. And let’s not even talk about Social Security privatization.

So, can anyone name a single success story? I should probably establish the parameters a bit. When I ask about whether Bush has done something “right,” I mean “with the necessary follow-through.” I think Bush was clearly right to invade Afghanistan after 9/11, but he has since allowed much of the country to slide back into the hands of the Taliban. I think Bush was largely right in working with Congress on No Child Left Behind, but the administration implemented the policy poorly and cut its funding. I think Bush was right to flip-flop on the Senate’s anti-torture provision last year, but he issued a signing statement explaining that he’d ignore the law whenever he decided that he should.

I’m looking for a full-scale, Grade A success. Bush came up with a policy/idea, won support for it, implemented it effectively, and saw it through to fruition. I’m stumped.

He accidentally got Libya’s Col. Ghadaffi to disarm.

Punditbot
Milwaukee

  • It all depends on your perspective. For his base, Bush has done a lot of things right.

    1. Increased oil prices.

    2. Cut taxes for the rich.

    3. Increased the structural deficit (which is an engine for upward transfer of wealth).

    4. Signed the repeal of consumer bankruptcy protections (while leaving corporate bankruptcy protections intact).

    5. Cancelled Clinton’s workplace ergonomics rules, which would have made employers responsible for correcting conditions that lead to workplace injuries.

    …shall I go on?

  • not to mention

    5. Installed two conservative Supreme Court justices.

    See? One success after another. It just depends how you define success.

  • Lets see…Back in 2001, he reversed his position and extended unemployment benefits…Then there was…..
    ummm…
    err….
    Nope. Thats it.

  • He’s managed to keep his daughters out of the news. Mostly.

    He’s managed to retain a mealy-mouthed White House Press Spokesliar.

    He’s managed to get drive out the truth-telling riff-raff from the State Dept and CIA.

    He’s managed to get out of the Armed services large numbers of Arab translators and medical personnel who happened to also be gay.

    He’s managed to work the word (never the spirit of) “God” into thousands of places where it is uncalled for outside a Taliban society.

  • He’s succeeded in making it federal policy to favor Christian charities over all other charities.

  • In all seriousness, Bush got weapons inspectors back into Iraq and forced the UN to deal with Saddam. Back in the summer of 02, when Bush went to the UN, I said that IF Bush was serious about pressuring Saddam and wasn’t merely playing the international community en route to a pre-determined invasion, then I would reluctantly have to admit that Bush’s handling of the situation exceeded Clinton’s and probably exceeded what Gore (or Kerry) would have done.

    As it turned out, Bush was full of it. And, ironically, the best foreign policy was probably one that no U.S. president would hav e pursued

  • When I saw this topic I decided to avoid irony in my answer. I walked away from my computer to think seriously about it after reading the first paragraph. The two things which came to mind while I was away were Afghanistan and NCLB. I sat down and read through the entire post before hitting comment. Paragraph 3 ruled out my two choices. I’ll try to think about this a little harder throughout the day and I’ll get back to you latter should something come to mind. For now the answer is no.

  • Afghanistan was a qualified success. Everything went extremely well until we shifted resources to invade Iraq, and the situation is still good by Bush standards. It isn’t much, but he really doesn’t have anything else.

    You could consider the tax cuts a success, since they have done exactly what they were intended to do: let rich people keep more of their earnings. The job creation and balanced budget crap were lies from the start, so you really can’t blame the administration for failing to reach goals they weren’t even trying for.

  • He did that really great duet of “Lady Marmalade” with Christina Aguillera at the Superbowl Halftime Show. Oh, wait, I’m just making that up…

  • He did… till he messed it up.

    His only real success was invading afganistan and ousting the taliban which put al-quida on the run… till he invaded iraq.

    He hasn’t gotten anything nearly as close to correct since

  • During a disputed election in Madagascar in late 2001, America was the first nation to recognize the legitimate, elected government, which was ultimately successful in taking power.

    That’s a single thing done right in 5 1/2 years.

  • His one unqualified success was the “Do Not Call” list. Every evening, as we gather peacefully about the table, I sing his praises for the single piece of intelligent legislation he signed into law.

  • Like a nasty computer virus, good at covertly infiltrating and then commanding the resources of the operating system for criminal purposes not in the interest of the computer operator.. to the point where the system crashes.. and the identity of the operator is stolen.

  • Quote: “His one unqualified success was the “Do Not Call” list.”

    That was not his idea and it was implemented not by law but by by FTC and FCC regulation

  • As a few posters have noted, “success” is in the eye of the beholder. Was it Chris Matthews who crowed recently that “Bush gets everything he wants”? Bush, Rove, Cheney, et. al. have ruthlessly, successfully changed the dialogue in Washington. It’s not policy with these people, it’s politics, and on that they have been very successful. It’s all about spin and image.

    The groups that voted for Bush have been amply rewarded. Lots of money and influence have been given to the corporate cronies, and a few prominent bones have been thrown to the fundamentalist Christians (just enough to keep them devoted). There are many people in the Bush base who still believe he is one of the greatest presidents of all time.

    Bush & Co., driven by their ideological hatred of all non-military government activity, have also been so good at wrecking so many established policies, procedures, and bureaucratic heierarchies so thoroughly that they’ve made sure no successor will be able to undo more than half their mess. I’m sure this is their intention.

    Yes, the Afghanistan campaign was necessary, but ANY President — Al Gore, or Bill Clinton, or you, or I — would have probably committed troops the same way after the horrors of 9/11. Bush gets a lot of public credit for routing the Taliban, but frankly, a monkey could have made the same decision. As for tactics, to this day I don’t see the point in Rumsfeld’s wholesale carpet-bombing of villages by B-52s, killing at least 3000 innocent Afghanis, as opposed to special forces counterinsurgency operations aimed specifcally at Tora Bora. Tommy Franks’ ineptitude at chasing bin Laden was not Bush’s fault — but Bush didn’t mind the failure. And even before Iraq, BushCo was losing interest in Afghanistan, allowing it to fall back into the pre-Taliban, opium-growing, warlordy mess that it is today.

    All things considered, Afghanistan was an early taste of Bush’s overall approach — start off with a grand flourish, jettison it or screw it up later, but succeed in keeping the base deliriously happy. For Bush, that’s the definition of “success.”

  • His greatest success, aside from getting into office, was in neutering the Democratic Party. And six years into his term they still haven’t completely recovered; they’re viable only because they are the only alternative to what has become a failed administration. This is Bush’s main accomplishment, made all the more powerful because (to this observer) it was so totally unwarranted and unexpected an outcome. It’s shocking to consider that if it was a Democratic president carrying out Bush’s policies, Democratic opposition would have been infinitely more vociferous and pointed.

    From a right-wing point of view (not mine), getting two conservatives on the supreme court has to be counted as his only substantive success; and he wouldn’t have gotten even that, but for the fact that the brilliant political approach to the confirmation effort cowed Democrats to the point of ineffectuality.

  • One more good thing
    Late breaking news about how well things are going in Iraq from general Peter Pace.
    Pace said: “I’d say they’re going well. I wouldn’t put a great big smiley face on it, but I would say they’re going very, very well.”

  • Ok, take the typical American household and place Bush in it– how long is it going to be before someone asks him to “Please pass the creme-cheese”- one day, two days tops? Anybody with a drop of common-sense can figure out what this guy is really good for: taking up space, hanging out, eating snacks, etc.

    All you have to do to understand Bush is reflect how bringing Napoleon or Ghengis Khan back from the past to San Dimas with you, using your time-traveling phone booth, would actually turn out.

  • Last week I was pondering all the accomplishments Bush has made while in office and thought that I would list them all. I got out a 3′ X 5″ note card and started to list them all. Unfortunately the card is still blank.

    Seriously, after the SOTU address I was glad to hear Bush finally talking about our energy needs for the future. For all the lack of follow-through, and the obvious attempt at co-opting the issue from the Democrats, maybe the country will finally begin discussing what should be one of our biggest priorities.

  • He managed to get through his entire first term and 6 months into his second before he destroyed a major American city

  • I’ll avoid piling on with the rest of the comments about Bush’s lack of substantial accomplishments and just note that by this point in his presidential tenure this questions comes front and center. There’s no hapless opponent to demonize, not Democratic congress to blame things on, and no predecessor to blame. Whatever the state of things is belongs to Bush.

    Which is why he’s stuck in the 30’s and dropping lower.

    The basic strategy of making everything about politics and using policy solely as a means of covert payoffs worked for awhile, but eventually people expect results. And they expect them for themselves and not just for Dobson or Bill Gates or Halliburton.

    If the U.S. is to survive as a liberal democracy, the GOP must suffer such a horrific political punishment that no one is ever tempted to try this sort of strategy again.

  • “1. Increased oil prices.” – Dander,

    Actually, his success is in yo-yoing the price of oil and thus gasoline. When prices are steady, the gas companies live on a very tight margin. When prices go up, the margin gets even tighter because we all become very price conscious and shop around. But when prices decline, the comsumer buys the first gas he sees, and the margins for gas companies become huge.

  • It all depends on your viewpoint. By setting arbitrary, unrealistic standards on public schools, his No Child Left Behind points us toward what he apparently wants, the dismantling of schools for everyone in favor of an illusory voucher system that makes it possible to spend less on education. The rich, like Bush, can always buy a private education for their kids. They can spend the thousands of dollars in tax cuts on private education. Beyond being failed policy, NCLB is an unfunded (or lowly funded) mandate.

  • “Yes, the Afghanistan campaign was necessary, but ANY President — Al Gore, or Bill Clinton, or you, or I — would have probably committed troops the same way after the horrors of 9/11. Bush gets a lot of public credit for routing the Taliban, but frankly, a monkey could have made the same decision.”

    So wrong in so many ways.

    The ReaganRight created the Taliban power base. The ReaganRight created FEMA to enforce marshall law in America, should there be a big enough emergency. Bush picked up the far-right mantle and implemented the plan. He LET 9/11 HAPPEN!!
    That is the only “success” this man has to his Grandfathers white-supremecist name.

  • OH, he’s done a lot of “right” things. He has “delivered” to his cronies who paid and finagled his election. They wanted the surplus and a whole lot more. This has been the greatest money scam in history. The Columbian Drug Lords could learn something from these guys. Follow the money!

  • Everything Bush doe is “Right”. It’s certainly not Left or Progressive.

    He’s kept himself fit. Not fit to be President but fit.

  • Talk to some public school teachers before praising No Child Left Behind. Texas public school employees already knew the madness of NCLB before NCLB existed. It transforms public schools into testing factories, and no one should believe the claim that it only involves 1 or 2 or 3 days out of the year. It involves repeated pre-tests, evaluative tests, practice tests, benchmark tests, etc. Yes, it establishes numbers to put next to a child’s name. But is it real education? No.

  • it appears that after a brief early stumble, he has either learned how to eat, or how to resist, pretzels. call it the soft bigotry of low expectations, but for Dumbya, that seems a fair accomplishment to me.

  • Brad DeLong is always posting this question:

    Way, way back in February 2003, Daniel Davies asked a question:

    D-squared Digest — FOR bigger pies and shorter hours and AGAINST more or less everything else: Can anyone… give me one single example of something with the following three characteristics:

    1) It is a policy initiative of the current Bush administration
    2) It was significant enough in scale that I’d have heard of it (at a pinch, that I should have heard of it)
    3) It wasn’t in some important way completely f—- up during the execution.

    Hmm – Medicare Part D, Iraq war, Dept. of Homeland Security, …

    Seems like US political campaigns are about the only thing they execute well.

  • Seems like US political campaigns are about the only thing they execute well.

    What’s the old poli-sci class cliche?
    Great presidents run for president because they want to do something.
    Mediorcre — or worse — presidensts run for president because they want to be somebody.

    The only success of the Bush administration is that there is a Bush administration.

  • I am finally reading “Assassins at the Gate,” which I stronglystrongly recommend to anyone who wants a really in-depth look at how the mess got created. To me, it’s as essential to understanding contemporary politics as David Halberstam’s “The Best and the Brightest” was for understanding Vietnam.

    Anyway, the thing is, it’s hard to read this book for an extended period. Not because it isn’t well-written – it is. Not because it isn’t intelligent and interesting – it is. But it lays out in factual detail after factual detail just how incompetent EVERYONE in the Bush Administration, from Bush on down, is.

    People have mentioned Afghanistan as a “success” for Bush. I highly recommend you read the two books (whose titles don’t come to mind at the moment) by the two CIA guys who led the battle into Afghanistan (“First In” is one of them), and you find out just how incompetent that whole operation was. What did we replace the Taliban with? The same @#$%$#@!! crew of murdering heroin dealers that were why the people of Afghanistan welcomed the Taliban in1995 for driving them out! Let’s not even mention Tora Bora, where it is now clear we did in fact have Bin Laden and his whole crew cornered – until they paid off their former allies who were acting as mercenaries for us (mercenaries always go to the highest bidder).

    I think one of the reasons that my anger level is so high over Bush and the Republicans is that there is NOT ONE GODDAMNED THING they haven’t messed up and actually made worse for their having had any involvement with it. NOT ONE DAMN THING!!!! The only way to describe the Bush Administration is to use an old military term: Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition (FUBAR), a term usually reserved for the moment where nothing you have available is going to work to get you out of the truly awful mess you are in.

  • Ok, ok, maybe I shouldn’t have lumped Bush together with Ghengis Khan and Napoleon, when either of those dudes was clearer more capable than Bush. But you get my drift: the experience of viewing an icon who turns out to be pretty much a regular dude, and in ways that are for the worse. In that respect, GWB is just like Napoleon and Ghengis Khan, because they turn out to be as destructively selfish and short sighted in their grand administrations as any common guy could prove to be in his own personal life.

  • Bush embodies a multinational corporate take over of the world’s governments and economies with emergency powers gained in response to exploiting terror generated by a deliberate strategy of orchestrating global conflict to distract attention from the power grab.

    This effective stragegy is working. A true accomplishment of bright criminal minds.

    Bush on his own can’t ride a bike and talk to reporters without crashing.
    Much is being done in his name but like all the rest of us, he’s just along for the ride.

  • What was George Bush’s real goal when he came into office? To outdo his dad.

    What did he do:

    Got rid of Saddam Hussein (no stopping at the Kuwaiti border)
    Tax cuts for the wealthy (remember “read my lips – no new taxes”)
    Appointed conservative SCOTUS justices (not like that darn Souter)
    Got re-elected (’nuff said).

    Mission Accomplished.

  • I think he’s achieved pretty much everything he really wanted. The rest of it was all candy-coating, lies and bullshit to distract us from his real agenda.

    To wit:
    1)Huge increase in defense spending with no end in sight. Billions in war-profiteering money for the Bush cabal and their cronies.
    2)Destuction of any federal agencies that actually performed a service to America
    3)Largest transfer of wealth from lower and middle class to upper class
    4)Lifetime appointments for corporate interests on the Supreme Court (not to mention keeping the corporate churches happy)
    5)Destruction of public school system (he’s still working on that one – give him time), ensuring that we will have an uneducated and willing ‘serf’ class who will not threaten the new staus quo (not to mention providing nice cheap cannon fodder for #1).
    6)Bankrupted the treasury, ensuring that we won’t be able to do shit about all the above for generations to come.
    7)Wholesale selloff off national assets and natural resources to corporations, and relaxation of environmental standards to increase corporate profits.

    Oh, I could go on and on…..

    I’d have to say his backers are probably pretty damn pleased with how it’s all turned out. Who cares about poll numbers?

  • He’s not really this great achiever. He’s a prop. Social Security private accounts failed; that zany Harriet Miers nomination failed. He’s provided liberals with an extensive record of the true face of conservativism that we can use as evidence in public debate for all time. He’s showed himself to be the idiot he is to all of America, and to the world. They exposed themselves by overreaching. Because they were so incompetent, lot of what they did is stuff that is capable of being undone quickly by liberals, so long as we practice a modicum of political adeptness. Unfortunately, the same can’t be said for all the lives that were lost.

  • President George W. Bush kept Gore and Kerry from becoming President, by working withwith God Almighty to save America from the malice, greed, arrogance, spite, and delusions of the LIBERALS. He did not depend upon Democrat Promises or Cooperation to govern, the terrible mistake his Father made. He appointed the best Secretary of Defense these United States have seen since James Forrestal. The combination of diplomacy and military campaigning that freed Afghanistan from the fanatic Taliban will be studied as long as civilization survives. The nation that ejected the USSR at the height of its powers welcomed our President Bush! He has endured the insults and provocations of the opposition party with Christian Patience and Fortitude, not allowing Democrat whingers and demagogues to distract him from his solemn tasks. And he has persuaded all but ten Democrat Senators to vote to extend The Patriot Act into law. Senate Minority Leader Ried, that splendid Leninist, announced weeks ago that he had “killed’ The Patriot Act. But later he voted “YES”. Only the Holy Spirit working through President Bush could have impelled this wicked Senate Leader to vote for the Good, the Right, the True, the Beautiful! President Bush and most of his Cabinet are National Treasures. Pray for them and America!

  • Somebody change the catbox, it’s starting to smell like kitty litter.

  • I’m just waiting for the brave Al Quaeda freedom fighters to make decisive strikes against the infidels in New York and Los Angeles.

  • Incredible success as butt of late night comedy jokes. All past presidents pale in comparison.

    Glen

  • One accomplishment that seems positive to me: he appears to have driven our Wampuscat most insane.

  • One accomplishment that seems positive to me: he appears to have driven our Wampuscat most insane

    there’s a presumption in there somewhere LOL

  • Memo to Carl Jung and Andy:

    Please learn to spell my name correctly. Orthography is an art to be cherished. Slap-dash political thought can be forgiven as an unfortunate product of the NEA-Polluted Public School System, but my handle was right there for you to copy. You can do better!

  • Waumpuscat, whose confident certainties inspire a sense of wonder, might be able to clear up a puzzle for me. He suggests that Bush’s actions are guided by the divine hand of “the Holy Spirit”. As a student of Christianity, the grand spiritual tradition based on the teachings of Jesus, I embrace the thoughts in the Mother sermon, the Sermon on the Mount. This Christian manifesto, a call for compassion, humility, and a militant form of pacifism, fails to mention this “Holy Spirit”. In fact, the “Holy Spirit” is mentioned nowhere in the collected wisdom of Christianity, the Bible. Please enlighten me regarding this emphasis on a concept never mentioned by the authors of the Gospels. Further, explain the warfare Bush infers he instigated in the name of the Prince of Peace, the great man who blessed the peacemakers, admonished those who prayed in public, and preached that we should turn the other cheek with violence is visited upon us. I anxiously await Waumpuscat’s tortured logic.

  • I think dander nailed it right off the bat. If you make the mental shift from ‘effectively lead the country for everyone’s collected benefit’ to ‘make your friends even richer, everyone else even poorer, and pursue a seriously brain dead neoconservative agenda’, the guy has been pretty effective.

    -jjf

  • He makes the rest of us feel smart and ethical by comparison. That’s got to be worth something.

  • Maybe a cloud fairy will zap dubya and make it where he can speak better. Not only is the guy clumsy, but I’ve never seen anyone mangle the English language so badly.

  • “freethinker”
    I can only refer you to the GOSPELS in their sublime entirity. Read them, contemplate their essence, apply their meaning to the structure of your life, and seek your salvation through a service that comprehends THE PARABLE OF THE TALENTS. Our GOD is one, as the Great Hebrew Shema emphatically states. And He also named the numbers, established their values, and set them to measure His Universe. He can do as He will with these counters, for they are His own. If the One chooses also to be Three, as Jesus promised, when His Disciples begged Him to remain, the Holy Spirit is ever with us in our hearts, if we would but invoke It.

    Did you ever wonder that He established PI with a non-recurring fraction, when He could have made it an integer and saved school-boys a whole lot of grief?

  • Orthography is an art to be cherished.
    I can only refer you to the GOSPELS in their sublime entirity

    There are some pretty expensive houses in Cartersville. I guess some people have to look out for their economic interests.

  • Most definitely we should hope that wammpuscat is touched by the noodly appendage of the great Flying Spaghetti Monster. Pastafarianism is the path to true divinity.

  • I don’t really knwo that is was “right” to invade Afhganistan. Forget politics, Bush-bashing (pretend it was another president at the time…ah..feel that peace of mind?)…

    Just saying. WHY was that the only choice? For one thing, yeah, the Taliban were terrible, no question. But there was no dialect with them…in fact the only communication was through speeches from our side, and news coverage on their side.

    I always wondered why we didn’t demand THEY hand over Bin Laden and AL Queda? There is a real chance they would have, and though at the time, we did fight a smart strategy, not that many US boots on the ground, using locals, etc. was it necessary? The Taliban claimed to be willing to hand him over, and we might have gotten him in that case. As it is he’s still free and alive. We could have demanded they cut down the training camps, we could have done a lot. It is better for the Afghan people to be rif of the Taliban, but this is not a finished story…and from what I read about it, it isn’t so easy a case to say they have it better now than then. We didn’t get bin laden, we dispursed the Al equda folk, and I keep reading that the Taliban are making a comeback as well as war lords rule locally overall. That Karzai has no power except in Kabul.

    I think personally it was a mistake to place terrorism in a “war” situation, as opposed to as a criminal situation. We needed the Army (which is now at breaking point) for some prosecution, but the main front against terror ought to have been law enforcement working with governments…it is MUCH easier to deal with the people in charge than to take over and have to put in a new system.

  • Waumpuscat offers us the workings of a mindset which truely baffles me. Faith-based conviction that is completely impervious to reality, with 0% potential for introspection or incorporation of facts that threaten his belief structure. The shouting preacher on the street corner is oblivious to the real world around him. When I pass such people, I wonder about their mental health. How much of Bush’s base is also locked in a dreamworld that is beyond the reach of reality. .

  • “kali”

    Personal growth, assidiously pursued, may equip you, and your platoon of acolytes, to engage in controversies that presently elude your understanding. A firm purpose of amendment is the essential first step. So take it.

  • waumpuscat-

    That firm purpose of ammendment can be a blinding impediment, Thou hast ears but cannot hear, and eyes that cannot see. Awaken Oh Puscat from thy deep slumber and see the world anew. There is yet hope that you can realize what Bush and his hidden greedy friends are doing to all our resources and freedoms. Amen

  • waumpuscat,
    You know, I’m a little dissapointed in your responses. I’m still waiting for you to rant “YOU WILL RUE THE DAY!!!”, or “A POX UPON YOUR HOUSE!!!”
    And how come you told freethinker he needs to read the Bible, but last week, when I posted some quotes from that very same Bible about leaving judgement to God, you pretty much called me the devil?
    And I’ll take my “NEA-polluted Public School” over whatever whacked out Jonestown you came out of.

  • And the Lord said,
    “waumpuscat, you don’t speak for me. Shut the hell up.”
    In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen
    Go in peace, and do not usurp Our Lord’s name.
    Peace be to God.

  • All I can think of are things like that his exercising is good for his body and having that earpiece/bulge during the debates was probably a good strategy, since it allowed him to answer questions about governments. None of those, of course, were good for US. Um, does not having a sex scandal count? Since there were so many who thought that was an impeachable offense a few years back (Stephanopolous, anyone?) then presumably that should count for something. Apparently sex scandals are, in fact, the only impeachable offense.

  • Adding to being on the right side of Madagascar, the Bush Admin was on the right side of the Ukraine elections last year, opposing the Russian backed PM and going for the Orange Revoluton.

    Other than that… complete sh@#!

  • Madagascar’s a funny movie. Best part is when the penguins get to Antartica, realize how cold and miserable the place is, and one of them turns to the others and says, “Well, this SUCKS!!”
    Love that line.

  • Waumpuscat puzzles me even more than before. I made a glaring error in my late night post, saying that the Holy Spirit does not appear in the Bible. I should have stuck to the teachings of Jesus’s sermon on the Mount, which is unassailably a pacifist, liberal homily. It was late, I was tired, my brain was sizzled from trying to make sense of Waumpuscat’s pretzel logic. When I reallized my error I steeled myself for the self-described Bible expert to take me to school. Rather than note this fundamental error, Waumpuscat ignored it, and ranted about Shema and the wonder of Pi. Waumpuscat, I fear, is not operating with a full deck. At any rate, sir, Christianity is a pacifist, liberal philosophy, as illuminated in the Sermon on the Mount, and is so contrary to the beliefs and actions of the Bush administration as to invite eternal damnation on those who operate on faith over reason. I am a religious skeptic, but, in the spirit of the Prince of Peace, I will pray for your immortal soul.

  • “freethinker”

    How about throwing in a mention of my body, while you are kneeling before the Almighty?

  • Regarding the intitial question of this thread. Bush has accomplished nothing other than leveraging 9/11 to make the world dreadfully more unsafe, further enrich those whom life has already inordinately rewarded at the expense of others, and diminish the traditional US support for the least among us, all the while subverting the pacifist, compassionate message of Jesus by suggesting God’s Hand is guiding his bloody war initiatives.

    Having said this, I don’t want to play anymore – Waumpuscat frightens me and I am a sissy.

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