Sunday Discussion Group

To the list that Kevin began, I’d add good education, which can only be done state by state but which is very important in making a difference in rural areas, plus national wireless, which could assist the creation of small businesses and help with improving education.

I believe you are mistaken about George W. Bush’s military service. He did not avoid military service, he took the easy way out. During the Vietnam War era it was well known among young men facing universal conscription that a position in the National Guard would almost guarantee avoidance of service in Vietnam. Therefore, there were waiting list for practically every N.G. unit. The President used his family’s political and social influence to obtain his position in the N.G. – to wit, he jumped to the head of the line. He then used that same influence to serve in a manner he felt appropiate for a man of his social stature.
For a healthy young man to avoid military service during the Vietnam War, he would either have to declare conscientious objector status(thus facing possible prison time), or expatriate to a country that would not extradite him.
The true irony is that today, millitary service is of no concern to the average Ivy League graduate, and National Guard service is almost a guaranteed ticket to Bagdad.
Both the Republican and Democratic parties are hip deep in the quagmire of the National Security State and Military Industrial Complex, and neither can expose the other without exposing themselves. It is nothing more than a dilemma of Empire – albeit an Empire in denial.
The largest consumer of petroleum products in the U.S.A. is the Department of Defense.

The virtues of Nascar Man, listed by Digby, didn’t include the highest rates of violent crime the country, the highest murder rates, the higjhest rates in incestuous child rape, the highest rates of gay bashing (and killing), etc.

The “low man on the totem pole, … the underdog, … the guys still pulling third shift, … the single mom raisin’ her kids, … the preachers who stay on their knees, … the sinner who finally believes, … the farmer with dirt on his hands, and the soldiers who fight for this land — Why are all these people so-benighted that they vote Republican and proudly (har, har). Why are they so anti-union? anti-poverty programs? Anti- immigrant? So un-Christ-like? Did they never hear of the New Deal, of FDR, of rural electrification, of Woody Guthrie?

Fifty or more years ago I’d say it’s because they didn’t know any better. Non-urban people of that bygone era never heard of unions or served in an integrated army or saw black people being served at a lunch counter. Like Ennis Del Mar or Jack Twist, didn’t know about gays (or were afraid to reveal what knowledge they did have. People of that era took it for granted that women belonged in the home, with children. Ignorance can be bliss. True ignorance is also forgiveable and has remedies.

But “invincible ignorance” – the self-righteous, ego-centric, hate-everybody different, willfully stupid and artless, anti-social teenage goon mentality that defines NASCAR Man – isn’t. He’s *proud* to be the way he at least imagines himself to be.

They’re right to feel that their “culture” is “under siege”. But it’s not from “some ambiguous elite”. It’s from the continued unfolding of history and the world passing them by. The 1950s they revere so much doesn’t bear close examination. There was a successful growth in the Middle Class then (for straight white males anyway), but that was entirely the product of unionization and its political champion, the Democratic Party – both which seem to have fallen in a hole somewhere.

I have no quarrel with Kevin’s suggestions (and yours and others in this group). Pursuing them will no doubt change NASCAR Man’s world. But NASCAR Man will never go for them. In fact, he takes delight in ridiculing and sometimes physicially attackiing those who do. Kevin’s suggestions can never penetrate the noise, the beer, the smells, the “yahoo” excitement of the hoped-for crash, the constant in-the-rut-ness of that oval track. That’s why NASCAR Man, like the dinosaur, is moribund and deserves to be.

As for a policy thing, see my comments on last night’s last post on this blog, ‘Obama in ’08?’ about flag burning. Definitely read all of them and think about it if you’ve got the time.

The only potential problem is the GOP trying to use it as an issue to divide the left. At the outset, we’ve got to get it across that what we’re doing is making the gesture that the GOP won’t, and trying to heal the nation- make other Dems and the rest of the people understand what we’re doing and where we’re coming from with it. Anyway, it’s not an issue that’s going to keep Dems from going to the polls.

Then imagine it going to a vote, if it ever did. What are the Republicans going to say? That Dems must not really mean it, because- because why? Any criticism they come out with, if they have to try to grasp for a reason to back it up, anything they could back it up with is going to come off as such wild-eyed speculation (therefore useless) that they’re going to end up grasping nothing but air. The voters who are willing to vote Dems know that Dem representatives aren’t full of it.

What would really happen is the GOP reps and senators would have to basically keep their mouths shut while going along and voting for the measure that the Dems championed. If I could get this idea to Harry Reid’s or Howard Dean’s ear, I would do it quick.

Much of our problem with ‘Nascar man’ is that the repub wedges have been effective with him. I think the Dems should approach issues like abortion and gay marriage from a libertarian POV.

The decision to have a child should come from your family and your God – not the government.

If you go to work, pay your taxes and get along with your neighbors – You should have the sames rights as anyone else. It’s none of the government’s business who you marry.

Some might think that’s a wishy washy way of pursuing or defending these rights, and to a certain degree, that might be true. But, a big reason for the repubs success with Nascar man is the libertarian rhetoric of keeping big government out of your business. From the Nascar types I’ve known, this kind of rhetoric strongly resonates with them.

I definitely agree with Steve’s comments. One can only hope that NASCAR man, such that he is, will realize that he has been sold a complete line of BS. People don’t like to be taken for fools and showing them exactly how that has been done would very likely be effective. I don’t think NASCAR man is stupid, although Rove, et al, would like to treat them that way while at the same time purporting to put them on a pedestal (pardon the alliteration). Remember, ignorance does not equal stupid. People are busy working, taking care of family, etc. The simple message does work. Showing them the truth, in a way that resonates, would work.

I also think it’s a 2-part process. You need to also give them an alternative. People tune out stump speeches. They need to understand that the red herrings of abortion, flag burning, gay marriage, etc., really have no direct impact on 95% of them, but that the issues discussed above are what matters to their daily lives and of their children. Hopefully, the 06 Congress will take some of this to heart and the 08 presidential candidates as well.

PS From the Know thy Enemy category, interesting article on what’s going on in the conservative movement. http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060612&s=trb061206

After I posted, 6 or 8 new posts showed up. Wow, lot of wisdom out there. CB my compliments on a fostering a site that engenders more than “Bush Sucks!” responses – even though he does.

I mentioned ignorance but Ed Stephan, you make some excellent points about invincible ignorance-not much you can do about that where it exists. But not all are like that though having family members, friends, etc. who fall into the “just ignorant” category.

Swan, interesting distinctions between the nascar man and the Generation Y (is that what we’re on?) types. Perhaps a different approach is needed for them.

Ed Sibrel, great, great comments about the bullet points. I’ve said it several times in the past – stop the overblown speeches (Hillary and Kerry). Talk to people. When you give a speech, sound like you’re talking to them. Overblown rhetoric makes me tune out and I’m actually interested in the detail!!!

Pardon the pandering – I swear I’m not running for office.

A built-in principle of economic fairness:

Within any company, a wage differential of 10-to-1 (or whatever … argue over the spread … 5-to-1? …). The top guy can only make 10 times as much as the lowest guy. So if you’re the CEO, and you want to give yourself 10 million dollars a year in total compensation, fine. That means the janitor gets one million dollars a year. If those numbers don’t work for you, go back and crunch them some more.

This incessant argument about the minimum wage is useful up to a point. I think what people are more looking for is: FAIRNESS. You just don’t like to think that you’re being taken advantage of by Enron-style crooks at the top, knowing that you’re going to be caught in the economic wreckage and the jamokes who cause the accident are going to be bailing out in their golden parachutes.

So … a simple operating principle of fairness. Ben & Jerry’s used to have something like this in their company, I think it was a 7-to-1 ratio, but somebody can fact-check me on that.

http://www.davidduke.com/

That song illuminates something no one is mentioning: the fact that the non-elite of the South have – since at least 1715 – supported the leadership of elites with whom they not only had nothing in common but were actually being screwed extra-specially by those elites they supported. Let’s remember that in the War of Southern Treason 95% of the southerners who fought did not own slaves, despite the fact the war was being fought for the freedom of the “aristocracy” to own slaves – which fact kept pulling the economic rug out from under the non-slaveowners who could never compete against slave labor.

The entire system of Southern Apartheid set up after the Great Republican Sell-out of 1876 continued to screw over the poor southern whites, who were propagandaized to believe a “man” didn’t have to have no stinkin’ union to intereced between him and Ol’ Massa, they were white folks together, weren’t they? And what the hell, bad as it was for those poor whites, they were better off than the darkies, right?

I remember when I joined the Navy in 1962, being shocked by the state of Southern Whites. My recruit company was about 1/3 guys from Colorado, guys from California, and guys from South Carolina, and a bigger bunch of truly stupid, ignorant, semi-literate actual morons I had never before in my life run across. I mean, these guys were hard-pressed to score over 30 on the AFQT (which had a top score of 98), and the majority were lucky to score over 20, and there were some who scored in the teens! That was perhaps the biggest cultural shock I ever had – that and the fact these apes thought they were naturally superior to the black guys from California, who were among the smartest guys in the company (and who didn’t put up with the southern b.s. for five minutes, taking the worst of that bunch out behind the barracks and hospitalizing him thge second night of boot camp) And through the entire 4 years, the number of Southern Whites I met in the service who had IQs above ambient room temperature could be listed on one hand without using all my fingers.

So the truth is, Southern Whites – NASCAR man – have a looooooooooong tradition of voting against their own best interests in favor of theymyth of Southern Exceptionalism being anything other than a mixture of ignorance, superstition, racism and an avaricious world-view founded by the Barbadian pirates who set the whole damn thing up.

Fuck’m. We should have ethnically cleansed that swamp when we had the chance 140 years ago.

What the Dems need is a “real candidate”. Although my wife and I always vote Demo, when Kerry was chosen she immediately reacted by stating “he’ll never get elected”. She was implying that he didn’t have the
“right stuff’. We need candidates that are “bullet proof”. Their record should be impeccable. They should command respect. In not doing so, we suggest to the voters that we don’t have anything better to offer. I suggest that we do but “money wins”!

In 2004 I could have seen George Mitchell/Hillary Clinton on the ticket and feel that they would not only have won but would have sewn up the White House for 16 yrs. Let Karl Rove try to “Swift Boat” Mitchell. That’s my opinion but it could include other highly respected Demos who could shame the crooked Republicans. Perhaps it’s because the respectable Demos don’t want to play the despicable games both Parties lower themselves to with money and neglect of the voter.

Liberals are not good at exploiting intolerance and fear. The GOP are experts. The only solution is time.

As for all the “Nascar-bashing” and “Nascar don’t-need-’ems,” maybe “some people” (straw-manning works both ways, y’know) could use a little bit of a history lesson.

Does anyone, by chance, remember the United States steel industry? How about the tire industry, or the automotive industry? Shoes or textile? Anyone? No one at all?

Well then…consider, for a moment or three, that these thing did exist—once upon a time. Take a nice, weekend drive through the Mahoning Valley…or into Pittsburg, Bethlehem, and Allentown. Enjoy that drive-by feeling as you look at hundreds of vacant factories. Miles upon miles of marshalling-yards (once filled with freight-trains) that are now overgrown with trees Or, Visit Akron Ohio. Once home to over a quarter-million jobs connected to the manufacture of tires. Now? Maybe 5-to-6 thousand. How about the New England corridor? They don’t make American shoes, shirts, coats, pants, dresses, blouses, skirts, socks, underwear, or anything else like that—the way they used to—because those factories are empty, collapsed, gutted, burnt-to-the-ground, and/or demolished. American car factories that lie dormant, and will never produce the sounds of “things being built” again.

Let’s visit the ghosts of thousands of families who don’t live in these half-dead cities any more. Or the boarded up business districts that are waiting patiently for the wrecking ball. Crumbling schools. Worn out infrastructure. What do you think caused it all?

Nascar Man has his idea about what caused it all…and no matter how loudly the Dems scream that it was the GOP, Nascar Man sees the folks who bought “Made in Hong Kong” twenty—thirty—even forty years ago. Most of them must have been Democrats, since Democrats keep playing the “UberRichRepublican” card. They saw the hundreds of millions of dollars going to projects in Central America…South America…Asia…Africa…when the world of Nascar Man was going into the toilet. He couldn’t understand why, when there was a critical need to fix America’s broken industry and commerce, the governments of Kennedy—Johnson—Carter—and Clinton were sending huge sums of monetary aid outside the borders. In the eyes of Nascar Man, his world went to its doom on account of Democrat-based goals. And Nascar Man has a really good memory. He tells his children about these things as they’re growing up—and his children then have good memories. How can they forget? Those empty factories, after all, are still there; staring right back at them with vacant windows and silent smokestacks.

You won’t win Nascar Man by telling him how good Dems are—because he knows it’s a pack of doublespeak. You’ll only gain his trust by first making him hate Republicans more than he hates Democrats—and there are far too many Nascar-Man-types out there who will go to the polls in November….

Homer, I’m not trying so much to draw a distinction between NASCAR and liberal Generation Y, but rather to point out how liberal Generation Y’s disaffection w/ the work ethic and regular life, while turning to a search for glory or looking for satisfaction in life by kind of becoming dreamers, is symptomatic of liberalism in America’s broader loss of adequate attention paid to the real nitty gritty, the real practical, the “every-day,” the common, that really is so important and that really does so often turn out to be “what it’s all about”- and how that broader loss, in turn, is what’s causing us to lose our clout with Nascar man, or people we think are like Nascar man.

We got where we are by letting people off the hook, and that, much more than any other single thing, is what white trash (alias “Nascar Man”) wants: to be let off the hook.

The Republican Party is the party of unaccountability, of placing favored groups above the law while depriving others of the protection of the law.

The Republican grassroots propaganda has focused for thirty years on promising white trash that the laws they don’t like will not be enforced against them. It started in the South, with lynching, but it spread throughout the country. Fill in the examples for yourself, they are pervasive and familiar.

Everyone who votes Republican does so because they have been promised some kind of unaccountability. Once you have promised someone that you will place him above the law, he cannot be stood down. The only way to compete is to put better offers of unaccountability on the table, and that we must not do.

Those who have supported the Republican Party are morally tainted by listening to the promises that have been made to them. They cannot be re-integrated into a lawful society.

Let’s not forget that Al Gore won the popular vote in this country and that John Kerry nearly won, even after the Rethugs and Diebold were much more proficient at stealing elections without the help of the Supreme Court. The sea of red states with sparse populations doesn’t mean that the country is “Nascar”. I think, as do some others here, that it’s time to stop segmenting the population into these artificial divides. If what some mean as “Nascar” are racist rubes who don’t believe in evolution, it’s time to give up trying to reach them–and they are a distint minority anyway.

What Americans want is leaders with CONVICTION. This is what Dems have sorely lacked. Polls have shown since the beginning that most Americans do NOT agree with the Bush agenda, yet many voted for him because, although a moron, he stands for something (everything wrong, but SOMETHING). Dems always make the mistake of advancing some kind of program with something for everybody, as if most voters vote rationally. Americans want someone who looks and acts strong and has conviction, period. What we got last time was Kerry, doing some kind of JFK channeling (how weird was that cadence????) and chasing after whatever stupid diversion Karl threw his way. Americans liked Ronald Reagan (I never did) because in his jovial way while campaigning, he never took the bait. “There you go again”…a beautiful dismissal of bullshit that sequed into what he wanted to talk about.

Dems need broad themes of fairness, competency and libertarianism, yes, as a counterpoint to their politically correct image and to Bush’s police state. Dems don’t need to present position papers to get elected with something for earmarked for each group and the obligatory references to God. The first candidate to call bullshit and mean it, will win.

Democrats put Bush in office because he is aggressive about America. Clinton had America sold and used like a two dollar ****. Clinton and Gore made deals with terrorists-‘your going to need us’ after they lost the election. Democrats probably knew there would be a 9/11-terror. Bush is the answer when it is that type of problem. So, the terror happened and Bush just did what he always said he would: ‘kill them all.’ Sorry, but when America is attacked on its own soil, we need that type of mentality to make sure they don’t try again. Americans have killed alot of people. Ask a foreigner if it is a good idea to attack America. It’s not, everybody pays.

Bush was the answer for democrats, so who will be the next President? Jeb should think about it, his brother gets an A for going alonw with the democrats, cleaning up their mess, agreeing to be President and put up with all the ‘mea culpas,’ and making sur ethe world understands not to bomb our homeland. In twenty years maybe it’s time for another Clinton, but do democrats really want that?

I once debated, in jest, that the worst president in American history was Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln committed us to the bloodiest war in our history (practically any history). He did this to preserve a Union which was divided from the earliest days of the Continental Congress, remained that way through all the “Compromises” of the pre-Civil War era, and continues divided to this day (NASCAR Man being a prime example).

Union? in Colonial times and after, the north relied on diversified small business, manufacturing, port trade; the south relied on plantations. Union? the north was almost entirely urban (small scale though it was); the south failed to develop any cities of note, beyond ports which exported cotton and imported slaves. Union? local government in north was through democratic city/town governments (the New England town meeting); the south relied exclusively on corruptible and oligarchical counties (Boss Hogg). Union? the north strictly separated church from state (as much as any people could do in those days); the south formed its counties around parish or diocesan boundaries, often conducting county business, e.g., trials, in church). Union? the north promoted universal public education; the south dragged itself only grudgingly into anything resembling public education, and even then segregated the black students.

Suppose Lincoln had simply let the South go. Those without vast plantations and with ambition would have moved north, as many already had, to improve their economic positions. No railroads or industries would move to that foreign land (there was no NAFTA back then; the South suffered from lack of railroads and industry during the Civil War). “Negroes”, enslaved in the South, mixed freely in the professional circles of Northern cities (before their peasant counterparts were brought north to work in factories and drive the professional blacks back into what became permanent urban slums). Scientific, diversified agriculture – a product of the northern Agricultural Colleges – would remain unknown in the South, just as cotton was becoming economically unworkable (to be capped off, in the 19-teens, by attack of the boll weevil). The North would have sped up its progress toward being a modern industrial power (already in progress before the Civil War, proved during it). The South would’ve become just another banana republic, their talent all having moved northward.

ok, prm, how do we do that without selling our souls? what i see and hear when i hear things like the song quoted in CBs post is a segment of hte population that wants a world without nuance, a world of simplicity and vacant symbolism, of southern-fried style over substance. these are people who made fun of Dukakis for being a dull technocrat, who made fun of Gore for being a policy wonk, who vote on the basis of “who would i rather have a beer with?” (because we all have beer with the Prez so often. . .)

forgive my frustration, but the real world isn’t so simple. it has — and requires — nuance. it is more than just symbols and slogans. if these folk dont want to hear any more than that, dont want to learn, dont want to pander to that. i happen to think a foreign policy based on “bring it on” is dangerous, that a “my way or the highway” domestic policy is frankly un-American.

but that appears to be this set of voters’ beliefs. they have had years of opportunity – on their own or through voices on the left – to learn and to know better. if they haven’t, they likely dont want to. what are we to do about that? how do we “win them over”? and at what cost? anyone smart enough to type a complete sentence into this blog should be vehemently opposed to any further dumbing down of America, and part of that is refusing to pretend the world is a simple place of us-vs-them, of bumper sticker philosophy, and of cowboy machismo. if giving in to such foolishness is the price of admission for southern electoral votes, i think the price is too high.

and i’m a moderate, pragmatist. i can only imagine what the firebrand liberals here think about this one.

Dems need to counter Repub bullsh*t every time it rears its ugly head. Unfortunately, the time to start that was many years ago. Dems have let the Rs define all of us – Dems, Rs, *and* Americans.

The Rs have learned thru their well-funded think tanks how to influence those whose brains are locked in reptilian mode, not higher thinking. They have learned that dividing us using the strongest emotion of all, FEAR, is the surest way for them to keep the power. They pit class against class, race against race, gender against gender. Rather than unite us as a country, they are tearing us apart. They are, simply put, traitors to our country, to its ideals and its dreams.

Or another way of thinking about it, they are whores to the highest bidder, lining their pockets with ill-gotten gain. They don’t give a rip about average Americans other than how they can be exploited to their own advantage. IMHO.

Hannah, in a mood

While I was typing above, I edited my post and ended with “our country, to its ideals and its dreams.” just before I hit the “post” button… and immediately my brain latched onto the word “dream”. Weren’t our founding fathers dreamers after all?

Martin Luther King Jr. was on to something with his “I’ve Got a Dream” speech – it still resonates today. Perhaps this is the way to go for the Dems. Inspire thinking about how we want our country to be, how everyone deserves a chance at the “American Dream”, etc. (Rather than pointing fingers, OK, playing the “blame game”. Gag me.)

Currently many if not most Americans are fed up with politics and politicians, seeing that no one helps them… Now if someone came along and inspired them, ala JFK, ala MLK… well, we might just see something other than cynicism take over.

My pastor gave a very interesting sermon today – he talked about unity versus uniformity in the context of the church, but it goes for society as well. We can have unity if all are able to respect and honor one anothers lives and beliefs. Unity doesn’t mean we are afraid to talk about difficult subjects, it means we do so in a respectful manner and find a solution that benefits society as a whole.

OTOH, uniformity suggests fascism, my way or the highway. This is where the right wing is heading us, because they know they will then control us, all of us.
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Light over darkness, truth and love instead of fear, equality over classism. That is what will let we as the American people ultimately prevail.

I am reluctant to weigh in here, because I admit I do not have a good line on the demographic that we are considering here. Is “he” the knuckle-dragging white trash described by some of the posts or the (somewhat self-worshiping, IMO) icon of American mythology of the song lyrics cited by CB? I spent the first 23 years of my life in a very small town in Maine and the last 28 in Seattle. Despite my working class roots and perhaps due to my migration to Seattle, I do not know NASCAR man.

I also have to admit to being heartily tired of the implication that my liberalism somehow makes me against the things that the writer of the lyrics supposedly is for. I recall that not long after the 2004 election Gloria Borger wrote an article in US News that effectively said that there was nothing wrong with Democrats that a little immersion in country music would not cure. I found her premise laughable and insulting then, and nearly two years later I’m afraid my cynicism has deepened. As I read through the lyrics, I regret to say that my first reaction was to find hypocrisy and or willful blindness in them.

I do not advocate writing off this demographic or any demographic for that matter. But, I am in agreement with those who think such parsing of the electorate only serves to divide those who ought to have some common aims. I would like Progressives to have the courage of their convictions, and I am not excited by strategies that would have us give up those convictions to try to woo NASCAR Man or any other mythical political beast. The Republicans appeal to the lesser angels of all of our natures and offer fear because they are incapable of inspiration. My naive hope is that the left can somehow articulate some bread and butter issues that speak to the revival of the American dream, and that the leadership will speak to those issues confidently and consistently. In other words, I would like someone to appeal to our “better angels,” our courageous angels, our can-do angels – the angels of the Marshall Plan, or our angels that do not think “winner take all” is a sound national philosophy. If Dem’s can do this, perhaps the NASCAR man will follow. Bush speaks of optimism and has a yellow rug and fearful, divided citizenry to show for it. His “leadership” is toxic. Merle Haggard has written a song that recognizes this. Maybe NASCAR Man will follow?

Oops. Did not realize that Merle Haggard was connected to the lyrics cited by CB. I was referring to his recent song that says “Let’s get out of Iraq and get back on the track.”

which was a great excuse for me to sleep in late this morning, and did i ever enjoy it. 🙂

Suggestion for the next big hit in country music: “NASCAR Men Are Frequently, Secretly (Fond of Each Other)”.

I was the first to use the term “redneck” on this thread(#36), so I’d like to clarify my use of the term.

I’m not using the term in the modern, degrading fashion. “Rednecks” were part of a religious movement in Scotland. They wanted the Prebyterian Church to be the official church of Scotland. They stood in opposition to the Anglican Church(Church of England). They were, in great part, hardscrabble farmers who were pushed off the land by the landed gentry at the rise of the Agricultural Revolution. More here(and please don’t bust my balls over a link to wkipedia. This one sums up the history I’ve read that I just can’t link to.): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck

Andrew Jackson, Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett were all “rednecks”.

Today there are a lot of folks not of Scots/Scots-Irish who refer to themselves as “rednecks” because they share the same fears, mostly racially and class based. No matter what they claim, they are not the low men on the totem pole, they’re just scared of becoming that. Seems to me they’re happy with a stratified class structure: if everyone was actually equal the “redneck” would have no one to look down upon.

I think we’re talking about winning over the wrong group of voters here. In the 200+ years history of this nation the group we are now calling “NASCAR Dads” (as if they’re the male equivalent of “Soccer Mom”)
has shown again and again that, conciously or not, they march in lock-step
to the tune of racism and classism. I don’t want them in my party if that’s the way they are going to be.

Rather, I think, we should make appeals to the socially liberal/economically conservative voter. Why are there gay people in the Republican Party, or African-Americans? It’s about the money. It’s got to be, because “NASCAR Dad”-who IS THE BASE OF THE MODERN GOP-
doesn’t exactly support the civil rights of these people, and it’s the guys that “NASCAR Dad” has been electing since 1980 who have gotten this nation into some mind-boggling financial trouble.

Even more importantly, we need to turn out every single progressive vote that there is. If we did that, the GOP wouldn’t stand a chance, not in 2006, not in 2008, not ever.

Zeitgeist, in post #39, claimed to be a pragmatist. So do I claim. As I said in my last post, I’ll throw these “NASCAR Dads” a life preserver. It’s not pragmatic to dive in to save them.

Except that Clark ran perhaps the most inept campaign other than Gore’s among major candidates in the past 50 years. . . many of us here are reluctant to trust Gore again because he blew such a golden opportunity, and wouldn’t want to see Kerry run again because he, too, proved a hapless candidate. Why should we trust Clark, who clearly was not prepared when he chose to announce his candidacy and stumbled badly out of the gate and remained unable to right his campaign, to run and win against a well-oiled Rethug campaign machine? Resume alone is not enough. Demographics alone are not enough. You have to be an exceptional campaigner to get to the White House. Clinton (Mr., not Mrs.) had it. Hardly anyone else we’ve run the last several cycles — including Clark — has even been close. I think that is part of what attracts people to Obama: a sense that he just might have that campaigning gift.

sidenote: i don’t believe you can compare clark’s first foray in campaigning to gore’s or kerry’s presidential attempts. both gore and kerry had campaigned many times before and knew how (although it didn’t always show in their races) the game was played. clark got in late and by that time most of the top campaign people were working on other campaigns. from what i’ve heard of late clark has learned how the game is played and has been ripping it up. if he is not the candidate in ’08 he would be a great veep candidate.

JohnnyB (#56) has it right… in order to win, whoever runs, must be able to connect with people… all different kinds of people… including southern folk… including nascar dads… including soccer moms… including urban voters… including white-lesbian-retired-military-sometimes-republican-leaning-card carrying aclu soccer-moms who like nascar, punk music and martha stewart and who live in alabama and go to church………

Zeitgeist: “You have to be an exceptional campaigner to get to the White House”.

Bush wasn’t exceptional, either time. But Gore and Kerry inspired no one who wasn’t already a Democrat.

You mention trust several times, and I bet that in polls one of the few things Clark scored high on was trust. Obama too. Plus, they make up for the other’s shortcomings, Clark is good on security and Obama is a good campaigner and cares about regular folk (even NASCAR guys).

er, Bush. although Nush kinda works, too.

Andy,

Alot of people are proud to be Scottish,like the King and Operations Officer #7. The term redneck goes back to the mining days. The workers would wear red bandanas around thier necks. This meant Union. So, rednecks were for the union and that was in the States.

I don’t think #3, “respect for the military” is right. It is militarism, the idea that war holds a greater value to society than being a doctor or a scientist coupled with the idea that war can solve most of our international problems.

In fact, if you take your 4 points (religion, economic insecurity, militarism, and a persecution complex), you have the South after the Civil War (remember where the term “carpetbagger” comes from). Kevin Phillips explores the connection between the South and the religious right in American Theocracy, and I think he’s right on.

If you want NASCAR man’s vote, just go back to a world view in which white males were the cream of society, and you’ll have them solidly on your side. For my money, NASCAR man’s militarism and his resentment at being pushed from his cherished spot at the top of the food chain is exactly what Democrats should take a stand against.

NASCAR man isn’t even a majority in the South. He is an endangered species (which is where his persecution complex comes from), one that deserves no special protection.

Note that I have nothing against NASCAR the sport; it is just a convenient moniker to represent the angry white Southern male.

IT IS STRANGE THAT WHEN PEOPLE, WHO TRY TO PASS THEMSELVES OFF AS BEING INTELLIGENT AND LITERATE, REFER TO CANADIANS AND THOSE SOUTH OF THE USA BORDER AS BEING OTHER THAN AMERICANS, WHILE THE USA IS TERMED AMERICANS.
CANADIANS, LIKE THOSE SOUTH OF THE BORDER, LIKE THOSE IN THE USA, ARE ALL AMERICANS, WHETHER NORTH AMERICANS OR SOUTH AMERICANS! IT IS ONLY THOSE IN THE USA, WHILE BEING ONE OF SEVERAL NATIONS WHO ARE AMERICAN, ARE USA!

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Natural Psychic, Creator of Coordinate Remote Viewing (CRV) Protocols, Astrologer and Artist
Ingo Swann, born a naturally gifted psychic, is the man who coined the term “Remote Viewing.” He was a research subject at Stanford Research Institute in the 1970s and escaped from the typical “guinea pig” mold by forcing the “researchers” (under threat of resignation) to take notice of his ability to break down and understand psychic functioning. Hal Puthoff at SRI was commissioned by the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) to come up with a reliable technique for intelligence collection purposes. The prevailing logic (left over from CIA research) maintained that research subjects should only do what they are told. They were not supposed to have any thoughts or ideas of their own. This frustrated Ingo, as he had seen many subjects “burn out” and did not want to be another casualty of the system. He had researched the earliest PSI experiments by pioneers such as Rene Warcollier, and in many respects knew more than those who were conducting the experiments at SRI. The scientists, unable to create a reliable and repeatable process, finally gave up and allowed Ingo to develop his ideas.
Ingo studied and documented his own psychic data gathering system and the miracle of Remote Viewing as a learned – trained skill was realized. Ingo, working with Hal Puthoff coined the new discovery “Coordinate Remote Viewing” or “CRV” (Now known as “Controlled” or “Technical” Remote Viewing) The DIA sent Ingo five people who were about as “psychic as rocks” to undergo the first prototype CRV training to test the newly discovered remote viewing techniques.
The results were more then what anybody could have imagined. Using only a couple of Ingo’s Swann’s students, the Defense Intelligence Agency took Ingo’s protocols (which they had paid for) and funded a “Top Secret” remote viewing unit which to this day has never been formally declassified.
In 1989, the Remote Viewing unit was disbanded under the umbrella of the DIA. Albert Stubblebine, the presiding General of Intelligence Security Command, sat as Chairman of the Board of a private corporation called PSI TECH. The true visionary that the General was, he ensured the safety and continuity of the remote viewing technology by bringing it out into the public. The trained remote viewers began to work for PSI TECH and Ingo was brought on as a consultant.
Ingo’s CRV training protocols and structured technique is now used by the most prominent remote viewers and remote viewing operations. Those trained in Ingo Swann’s technology are still sought by government and law enforcement agencies to provide remote viewing data on subjects and cases where conventional methods fail. Because his techniques allowed any human being to be trained to access their innate psychic abilities, a historic first, thousands of people are now able to successfully learn remote viewing. He has long been considered the “Father of Remote Viewing.”

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Paul Smith has a BA from Brigham Young University, an MS from the Defense Intelligence College; and is a graduate student in the Ph.D. program in Philosophy at the University of Texas-Austin. He enlisted in the Army in 1976 and served for seven years in the government’s remote viewing “psychic espionage” program at Ft. Meade, MD. He is one of only a handful of government personnel to be personally trained in coordinate remote viewing (CRV) by Ingo Swann at SRI-International. He was the primary author of the government RV program’s CRV training manual, and served as theory instructor for new CRV trainee personnel.

His military assignments also included Arabic linguist, electronic warfare operator, strategic intelligence officer for an Army Special Forces unit, tactical intelligence officer with the 101st Airborne Division during Desert Storm/Shield, strategic intelligence officer in the Collection Directorate of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and chief of the intelligence and security division, DCSOPS, for the Military District of Washington.
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A Brief History of Remote Viewing
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David A. Morehouse, Ph.D.

If God held all truth concealed in his right hand and in his left hand the persistent striving for the truth… and should say, “Choose!” I should humbly bow before his left hand and say, “Father, give me striving. For pure truth is for thee alone.”
−Gotthold Lessing

Let me begin by saying that as I have studied in the various civilian and military universities I have attended, I have been witness to, and personally held many academic and intellectual views on what the “truth” is about many things. The author, Felipe Fernandez-Armesto wrote, “truth, time and history are found in paintings and not in books [or essays] born of the recollections of others.” As I grow older, I have come to maintain that truth has been and always will be, a matter of one’s perception, captured and held briefly in the moment, and then faded into memory. I teach a segment in Phase I of the Coordinate Remote Viewing class, on truth or reality, as it exists only in the moment, whereas all else in the future or the past is illusion−becoming increasing possibilities in time, increasing interpretations, increasing angles of reconstruction, increasing notions, and amalgams of ideas and emotions. Even when there is an alleged consensus of opinion or recollection of the past−it is really only interpretive data that is “agreed upon.” Recollection is not fact, in fact, it is only fiction… a creation born in the minds of those who agreed on a version to suit their own agenda… whatever that agenda may be.

For those interested in the “truth” of the latter, you can search the mathematical explanation for these notions, which are supported in the work of physicist and Nobel laureate, P. Dirac, Ph.D. Time drags truth into history, but history itself does not care, only those who attempt to record and recount it care; and they fall victim to their own perceptions and willing acceptance of what is−according to them. The truth about Remote Viewing is trapped between fundamentalists, who believe they have the only truth, and relativists, who refuse to pin it down.

So, what does all of this mean, and why this approach as a preface to a brief history of Remote Viewing? Simple. I want you to know that this is a version of the history. I want you to know that the history of Remote Viewing should be used to establish a degree of credibility for the art and science of it−and then let it go. The great reverence of the truth of Remote Viewing waits in the future of the human application of this great gift. Too much is wasted in the re-raking of the past, the reconstruction of how it was or how it could have been. Remote Viewing is the promise of what can be−of what is possible for humanity.

When we read history, we must understand that we are reading the account of one individual’s recollection of events narrated in such a way as to capture the consensual beliefs of others that “this version” of the events is simply, as it really was. Therefore, I submit to the reader that truth cannot be viewed as an objective, rather it must be seen as a path. A path of understanding that the only way to know truth is to explore it in a world devoid of the interpretation and filters of others−learning Remote Viewing is one path that will bring about this awareness and ability.

Remote Viewing is not a new phenomenon; the ability has been ours since the beginning of time. The formulation and systemization of theological doctrine as set forth in ancient records present us with countless examples of humanity’s learned and inherent abilities to transcend the physical; to see in the mind’s eye, people, places and events separate from their physical reality. From the ancient hieroglyphics carved into the walls of forgotten Egyptian tombs, to the “Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean, the Urantia Book, A Course in Miracles, the Old Testament, the Koran, the Kabbalah, the Talmud, and the New Testament−to name but a few−all give accounts of journeys out of the physical body, to night flights of soul, to projections of consciousness, et cetera. However, the most recent history began circa 1972 when the Central Intelligence Agency learned through various human intelligence sources that the Czechs, Chinese, Soviets, Germans, the Israelis and even the British, were all heavily involved in the study of various aspects of what would be called the “paranormal.”

These investigations were in many ways the spawn of very bizarre programs initiated by the Nazi’s during World War II. While exact details are a matter of historical debate, it is widely held that the Russians captured numerous documents and records held by Adolph Hitler’s infamous Nazi Occult Bureau, after the fall of the Third Reich. Other documents partial and complete, became the property of various allied intelligence services who elected to study them further in the ensuing years or in some cases, totally ignore their potential.

When the CIA learned of these studies the obvious question was, ‘Do we have such a potential?’ At this juncture, the United States did not have such a capability, nor had they ever really considered it−until now. If all these other “agencies” are involved, then why we not involved? It was clear that the principal intelligence agency for the United States needed to “catch up” to the intelligence collection efforts of the others−at least in this “alternative” method of gathering intelligence.

Late in 1972, CIA scientist Sidney Gottlieb, Chief of the Technical Services Division procured a rather large monetary endowment to initiate the research project that began it all. If the Soviets, and the others were as heavily involved in this research as was being reported−the National Security of the United States could be in jeopardy. Probably, the simple notion that this “eerie capability” might really be out there; and the possibility that we could do it as well, almost certainly drove the CIA’s decision process. You have to admit−it does peek one’s curiosity.

Stanford Research Institute International (SRI) in Palo Alto, California ultimately became the proving ground for what was to eventually be one of the intelligence services’ most controversial, misunderstood and often feared Special Access Programs. The two men initially charged with responsibility to oversee this testing and evaluation program were Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff, Ph.D.; both laser physicists working at SRI.

In my opinion, it is Targ and Puthoff who are clearly the early heroes in all of this. These two men (with others) risked their professional reputations to test and evaluate the possibility that human beings can transcend space and time for the purpose of “viewing” persons, places and things, remote in space and time, and collect useable intelligence information on the same. Certainly the vast majority of their colleagues would have loved it if this federally sponsored project had consumed its funding and six years of study only to conclude that there was nothing to it−that it was all worthless and the project should be abandoned. However, this was not the case; instead, the answer was just quite the opposite, there was something to this. This phenomenon was credible, it was measurable and definable and trainable. It was certainly not one hundred percent accurate, but then again, neither was anything else in the intelligence collection assets, they all had their limitations. As long as one understood the limits of the technology, then the technology could be employed as another collector of information−another provider of ‘pieces’ of the jigsaw puzzle that was truth in the espionage game. In short, the CIA was handed a new intelligence collection methodology−psychic spies.

To digress briefly, a New York City artist, author and gifted natural psychic, Ingo Swann became one of Dr. Puthoff’s first test subjects. According to Mr. Swann, he initially participated in a number of pioneering experiments performed under the auspices of the American Society for Psychical Research. Upon being recruited into the project, Mr. Swann worked with Dr. Hal Puthoff at SRI-International’s Radio Physics Laboratory in Menlo Park, California. It was here that Puthoff and Swann−and a number of others−conducted a series of ever-more sophisticated experiments, developing the protocol or structure they ultimately christened “Remote Viewing,” opting for this term over the much debated label of “Remote Sensing.”

According to Mr. Swann he was tasked by the CIA to train ‘others’ in the art and science of Remote Viewing, men who he claimed were bizarre in their manner, mechanistic and cold in their approach to learning Remote Viewing. In a sense, they were there for the training, and then they were gone, never to be seen or heard of again. I use this as one evidence that other Remote Viewing elements existed in the government intelligence agencies. I cannot accept in any way the notion that only one Remote Viewing program existed; this would go against all philosophies and practices within the military and government intelligence agencies to ‘never put all of your eggs in one basket.’ Who would spend tens of millions of dollars on a program that existed in one place and had only one life to live−I assure you, nobody in the intelligence community.

Recognizing the potential for controversy and public ridicule (if ever discovered), the CIA did what it has always done−distance itself in word and deed from the project. There is an old adage in ‘the community’ that I continually struggled with, ‘Always keep someone between you and the potential problem.’ Therefore, the project(s) was handed off to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), under the program code name ‘Grill Flame.’ It is assumed that the other programs continued to thrive under the oversight and administration of other military services and intelligence agencies. However, the Army’s program, which was originally begun as a counter-intelligence effort was allegedly doing so well that its mission was destined to morph into something else.

The original mission was to evaluate through ‘reverse engineering’ how vulnerable to ‘psychic spying’ U.S. intelligence agencies and their secrets were. This was done to such a degree of accuracy that Department of Defense and Army officials decided to change the emphasis from assessing friendly vulnerabilities to actively collecting intelligence information against America’s Cold War adversaries. Unfortunately, but expectedly, the Remote Viewers had their detractors among many generals, such as Major General Bill Odom, and later Lieutenant General Harry Soyster; upper-level bureaucrats in the Department of Defense and the CIA, and politicians within the White House, Congress and the Senate.

Allegedly, by 1980 all of the Remote Viewing programs were suffering from a lack of popular support. The Army program lost all its funding, lacked any permanent home and was destined for extinction. Several sources within the intelligence community; third parties who either knew of the Remote Viewing programs, or had some level of oversight relative to them, indicated to me that Remote Viewing was not the target−rather is was the entire direction some elements of the intelligence services were taking. During this era, 1978-1980, the military was in pursuit of such things as ‘The Golden Sphere Concept,’ (the quest for advanced human performance potentials), or the Task Force Delta−Concept Paper, the First Earth Battalion and the Warrior Monk’s Vision, sponsored by Lieutenant Colonel James B. Channon, Colonel Mike Malone and a host of others. Again, not to impugn the work of these men and others, it was simply becoming too far out on the fringe for the comfort of a large number of people. It could be said that the envelope was being pressed too far, too fast, especially for people who felt that careers could be lost over this kind of project. It didn’t really matter how you expressed it or explained it−this was the application of what the larger percentage of the military and civilian population would call, ‘the paranormal.’ As a sort of ‘knee jerk’ response to it all, many sought to squash anything that resembled unconventional approaches to leadership, tactics, strategy, intelligence collection and the like−Remote Viewing would become collateral damage in the quest to trim the fringe efforts.

Despite everyone’s sudden interest to burn witches, Major General Bert Stubblebine, Commander of the U. S. Army’s Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM), took a personal and active interest in the program. INSCOM was a Washington D.C. based unit. At the time, it existed in an old building complex near the Headquarters for 3rd Army (The Ceremonial Old Guard), and eventually ended up in a new location at Fort Belvoir, Virginia. In 1983, General Stubblebine directed that the Remote Viewing program be redesignated under a new code name, ‘Center Lane’ and be called the ‘INSCOM Center Lane Program.’ Under this umbrella, General Stubblebine could fund the program directly from INSCOM’s budget without the requirement to justify a budget from any outside agencies or through the Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence, the Army’s ranking intelligence officer. Funding the Remote Viewing project in this way also meant that other units and projects within INSCOM would have to pay the bill−not a good thing when funding is tight across the board in the military. Most commanders would willingly cut something as controversial as Remote Viewing in favor of having more to spend on other more overt and successful projects. This approach sewed seeds of despair throughout INSCOM, and of course met with opposition within his command at the subordinate level as well as with many of his colleagues and superiors.

I have to say that this man, General Stubblebine was another of the unsung heroes of this phenomenon. You see little of him now, and hear him even less. He is a man who trusted much, believed in human possibility and potential and was willing to sacrifice himself to promote the notion that we are indeed more than the physical. Many who knew him before and after the service betrayed him in word and deed−an unforgivable tragedy. Had it not been for General Stubblebine, Remote Viewing may not have lived long enough for the rest of us to be writing, talking about, or teaching it at all.

Fortunately, the SRI team had developed a prototype, ‘improved’ version of Remote Viewing known as “Coordinate Remote Viewing.” The term ‘Coordinate Remote Viewing’ derived from the early assignment of targeting ‘coordinates’ using latitude and longitude. As the Remote Viewer’s continued to develop ever increasingly accurate information about the targets−the scientists reevaluated the use of latitude and longitude−assuming the Viewer’s had memorized the globe and were to a degree using the latitude and longitude ‘coordinates’ to locate portions of the globe through memory. It was suspected that if they were indeed remembering a place on the face of the earth based solely on its physical location, then their descriptions of ‘perceived’ basic textures, colors, temperatures, dimensional aspects, et cetera of the target were not really due to Remote Viewing skills−they were simply working on memory. In reality, this was not the case, but the scientists did what they were supposed to do−suspect and inspect everything in accordance with scientific protocols.

Most of us never practice science−we merely become compilers and communicators of it. Most in this genre of work like to call themselves parapsychologists, and that is a grave mistake. In the quest for truth in Remote Viewing, there were no real parapsychologists as they are nothing more than individuals masquerading as scientists, alleging they can prove Remote Viewing, mind reading, telekinesis, psychokenisis and a host of other paranormal mysteries. Many reputable authors, scientists and certainly skeptics refer to parapsychologists as pseudo-scientists, meaning they espouse a system of methods and assumptions they erroneously regards as scientific−I am very pleased to say this was not the case at SRI. Had SRI and those scientists affiliated with the project not worked completely and thoroughly under the protocols of their field, the door for skeptical analysis would have been left wide open. It was, and remains the scientific procedure used to evaluate and develop this protocol of Remote Viewing that has kept it from the pseudo-skeptic wolves all these years.

A note on skeptics at this point, because I feel it is critical that the reader have a clear understanding of who is debunking this work and exactly what their ‘scientific’ background is or isn’t and what motivates their skepticism. I have been interviewed several hundred times on radio and probably fifty times on television all over the world. In about twenty percent of those interviews and appearances I’ve had the distinct pleasure of having a counter position representative from the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal, (CSICOPs) or some other ‘skeptical’ committee. I agree with Dr. Raymond Moody’s description of these men, as he likens them to the hecklers of nightclub comedians−that is to say, what they really crave is not excellence in science, but more attention for themselves.

Most self-proclaimed skeptics are not skeptics at all. They are ideologists who think they have the answers. The ideology they espouse is known as scientism, the belief that the methods and assumptions of the natural sciences are the only ones appropriate for the pursuit of knowledge. Scientism is an open value judgment that other disciplines conform their techniques of investigation to those of the physical and biological sciences. These ‘skeptics’ are in fact not interested in science; rather, they are fueling some sort of social movement against the possibility and promise of humanity. Knowing what they espouse, consider this fact: that if it Remote Viewing cannot be explained by science (their science), then it cannot exist at all, it must be a hoax or at best wishful thinking, certainly a waste of taxpayers money. These skeptics openly use electricity when there is not a physicist on the planet who can explain in anything but theoretical terms how electricity travels along a copper wire. The scientists at SRI could not tell you how Remote Viewing works, not really, they can theorize and that has been the only ‘ah ha,’ for skeptics−the same people who accept the unexplained movement of electricity because it conveniences them. I would be a lot more impressed if they lived like Ted Kazinski and then argued what cannot be explained in the realm of scientism. Thank God for the real scientists at SRI.

It would be simplistic to expect the history of something once highly classified−hidden from the reality of the masses−something that is eventually perceived through the senses to keep an exact pace with the revealed history of science and recall. In the Pirates of Penzance and Call Me Madam, there are famous duets that combine completely different tunes, sung simultaneously without confusing the singers. The histories of the art and science of Remote Viewing are much like this: their rhythms have matched each other closely, but they started on different notes and beats and sustained complementary but contrasting melodies. Again, thank God, for the real scientists of SRI who understood this notion, and who pressed the boundaries of human possibility beyond all expectation.

Now back to the history−after considering a number of options, the ‘coordinate system’ was revised to use the random assignment of numbers to represent the ‘concept’ (or thought form) of the target; hence, the term Coordinate Remote Viewing. For the reader to learn more about what all of this means, you will really need to take a course in Remote Viewing, as this theory it is a large segment of the lecture, and is well outside the scope of this essay.

Around the time of Center Lane’s debut, the Army and SRI signed a training contract, which led to five military and Department of Defense (DOD) civilian personnel being trained in the new Remote Viewing technique at SRI facilities. In 1986, INSCOM transferred the unit to DIA, under the Directorate of Science and technology and changed its code name to “Sun Streak.” Early in the 1990s, it went through yet another code name change−this time to “Star Gate,” the name by which it became known to world when the program was declassified in 1995.

During its lifetime, the Remote Viewing unit collected intelligence against a broad range of targets: strategic missile forces, political leaders−theirs and ours, counter narcotics operations, research and development facilities, hostage situations, military weapons systems, secret installations, technology developments, terrorist groups; the list was staggering, and the successes were many−as were the failures. Failures yes, sometimes with limited useable results, yes. Nevertheless, consider what we are talking about. We are talking about a military Remote Viewer sitting alone or with a monitor and entering an altered state of consciousness. In this condition, the Viewer copies a set of randomly assigned numbers (the coordinates), that represent the ‘concept of the target in the mind of the collective unconscious. Then, using the protocols of the process, the Viewer begins detecting and decoding relevant visual and verbal sensory data pertaining to the target; and does this with an accuracy level averaging thirty to thirty-five percent−from absolutely nothing. Even on a bad day, this innate ability within each of us−is nothing but spectacular!

In 1995, Congress directed that CIA take back responsibility for the program from DIA, DS-T. This was principally due to the fact that Psychic Warrior: Inside the CIA’s Star Gate Program, was being printed by St. Martin’s Press despite the efforts of the agency and former members of the unit to stop the publication. The CIA was concerned, a book is considered durable media and will be around for a long time, and even though this was not the first book on Remote Viewing, it was the first book written by a psychic spy who was linking Remote Viewing to the military and to the CIA−now that was cause for concern. The CIA knew it was going to be spread all over the media−even more than it was already being spread.

Historically, when there is controversy in the wind, the agency exercises its right to opt out at the most opportune moment. When this option fails, usually due to a timing error−then the only thing to do is tell your version of the story first. What followed was an extremely well executed media blitz, which included Ted Kopel, Larry King and a variety of major new papers across the country and in Europe. What Americans should be asking themselves at this point is, “Why would the CIA make a decision to tell the people of the world about this program?” What purpose did it serve? Were they suddenly afraid that the autobiographical Psychic Warrior was going to steer you in the wrong direction? Did they feel that they needed to make sure you knew the truth, first, from them? Let the reader be the judge.

Later that year, under the cover of being an “objective” study by the American Institutes for Research (AIR), a reputable Washington DC think tank−the CIA commissioned the services of one of the most well-known ‘scientific skeptics’ in the country. The final report was designed to skew the assessment of the accuracy and usability of intelligence from the Remote Viewing program to such a degree that the “program” after twenty plus years of use, would be deemed as “totally useless” as an intelligence collection resource.

In mid-1995, the program was cancelled and two weeks before Psychic Warrior hit the bookshelves the program was disbanded and the buildings were bulldozed and hauled away. Coincidence−I don’t think so−the impact of a writer’s work often exceeds his intention. However, the CIA did conveniently keep for itself all the personnel spaces that were transferred from DIA, DS-T, which is additional evidence to fuel the suspicion that the program lives on in all of it original service variations. As I said early in this history, the intelligence community does not place all of its eggs in one basket. The CIA would never have left an entire collection methodology open to the potential destruction of one rogue who might write a book about it. Rather, they would keep the technology safe via a standard process of compartmentalization. If one cell is compromised, then all others would merely go deeper black. The government will never abandon Remote Viewing−it proved far too valuable for the money it cost. What it will do, is make sure that it never makes the mistake again of letting such a controversial and potentially far reaching technology raise to the surface, watch it more closely and watch who you train to do it.

Therein ends the history−assuming that if you read this far−you really needed one. What is truly significant here, is that you move past all of this, and discover what Remote Viewing is now, and what it can be in the future. As I said to you in the beginning, there are many variations of this story and there always will be. I’m reminded of Kant’s intuition, and scientific reliance on the senses he called ‘Gestalt theory’ or isomorphism. This theory prompted him to maintain that, ‘Truth is whatever makes you live your life better. Only the truth which edifies is truth.’ Remote Viewing is truth! It is an empowering art and science that will open the possibilities within you, creating doorways to levels of understanding never thought attainable. Accept the possibility that you are more than the physical, learn to transcend space and time to view persons places and things remote in space and time−and the know you are more than the physical. When people stop believing in something, they do not believe in nothing; they believe in everything−never stop believing in you. Seek truth, find knowledge−and through the art and science of Remote Viewing−become wisdom.

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Richmond Times-Dispatch, 29 November 1995
Official quest for ‘another reality’
Crystal ball had a place next to cloak and dagger
For 10 years at the end of his Army career, Joseph McMoneagle says, he dressed in civilian clothes, rarely saluted and went to work most days in a numberless, converted mess hall at Fort Meade, Md.
Neither his wife nor his closest companions had any inkling of his mission. Only his immediate superiors knew that he was part of a highly classified group of psychics that the federal government paid to conjure up the whereabouts of friend and foe alike — literally.
“No one knew anything, so nobody really asked questions,” said McMoneagle, now retired and living in Nelson County.
This week, the heavyset 49-year-old former intelligence officer is embarking on a highly visible publicity campaign intended to preserve the dignity of his little-known unit and to buttress the murky scientific basis beneath it.
“People are trashing 20 years of scientific work. It’s unconscionable,” he said yesterday.
On network television last night, in interviews and in a one-hour special scheduled tomorrow night on ABC, McMoneagle is trying to champion a little-understood, still-secret military intelligence program that he says has wrongly become a target of ridicule.
Disbanded only recently, according to McMoneagle, the team of psychics with “remote viewing” abilities fell into disfavor as the military began recruiting people from the private sector that McMoneagle describes as too zealous and too warped by a blind belief in their abilities.
“Things were getting sort of goofy,” he said.
Instead of using known psychic abilities for specific suitable objectives, the military tried to adapt their abilities inappropriate missions. “They began putting the cart before the horse,” he said.
Revelations that the Army, CIA and other govenrment agencies used psychics “will floor a lot of people,” McMoneagle said.
“There will be some people who will be very offended . . .
“But it’s amazing how people will simply not believe that there is another reality out there beyond the one they see in the mirror.”
A CIA spokesman confirmed the use of the psychics yesterday, according to The Associated Press, which also quoted researchers who said the government spent as much as $20 million over two decades. Missions ranged from psychic searches for Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi to searches for plutonium in North Korea.
McMoneagle was one of the major players in the project and continued working for the government on a contract basis long after his 1984 retirement.
Code named “Stargate,” the psychic team was so secret that a Legion of Merit awarded to McMoneagle describes it only as “a unique intelligence project that is revolutionizing the intelligence community.”
McMoneagle is going public in response to studies that are labeling the project as ineffective.
Tomorrow night on the taped ABC special, McMoneagle gives an eerily specific description of a location in Houston after he’s shown a picture of a woman located there. He had never been in the Texas city.
A news release describes McMoneagle’s performance as “one of the most spectacular demonstrations of paranormal abilities ever presented on network television. … … His performance should create a sensation.”
It’s hardly old hat to the Miami native — even he was stunned by the accuracy of his taped television appearance — but he said he gained a reputation as one of the military’s best practitioners of the art.
His involvement, many details of which are still secret, never fit a cloak-and-dagger image, much less one of a roadside palm reader.
He did his job in a Spartan office decorated with nothing more than a drawing of the crab nebula that he did himself; he made standard Army wages of $2,500 a month.
“I lived in the barracks; got up and showered and got dressed and went to work,” he said.
Ever major missions rarely amounted to anything more than being handed an envelope with a picture of someone and trying to sense a related location.
Failures as learning experiences
“We’d go out on the town when we had a good day,” McMoneagle said. Failures were regarded as learning experiences, examples of improper sensory interpretation.
The loneliness of the job destroyed marriages and ruined careers, said McMoneagle, who lasted longer than most. “I really have the feeling that I was doing something to help our country; I had a real sense that what I was doing was important.”
McMoneagle enlisted in the Army after high school and was a chief warrant officer when he retired, frustrated by the isolation his job demanded and by the disrespect traditional intelligence operatives held for the band of remote viewers.
There was nothing unusual about secretiveness in the intelligence community, McMoneagle said. “But to be suddenly and totally compartmented away for something so abnormal is to hear the death knell.”
During the Iranian hostage crisis, McMoneagle and other viewers were asked to look at black-and-white pictures of people known to be inside the American Embassy, McMoneagle said.
‘We were quite accurate’
From those, the viewers were able to develop psychic images of the embassy’s damaged interior, land mine locations and other data.
“We were quite accurate, it turned out,” McMoneagle said, stressing that the psychic intelligence was never relied on exclusively.
Since his retirement, McMoneagle has worked with scientists studying the paranormal, notably at the Cognitive Sciences Lab of SRI-International in California, which once was associated with Stanford University.
He also operates Intuitive Intelligence Applications, a consulting company. Clients have ranged from individuals looking for relatives to petroleum companies looking for reserves.
In a recently released book about his experiences, “Mind Trek,” McMoneagle traces his ability to a near-death experience in 1970 and then charts the gradual development of his remote viewing powers.
It’s been a remarkable path.
“I wouldn’t do it again for $10 million, but you couldn’t pay me $30 million for the experience,” said McMoneagle, who spends $5 a week on the lottery but so far hasn’t hit the jackpot.
“I use whatever numbers come to mind,” he chuckled.

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Tuesday 6. June 2006

Ultra High Frequency (UHF)
SILENT SUBLIMINALS™

This patented Ultra-High Frequency (UHF) Silent Subliminal process is used in the following WBLI products: BrainStorm™ Silent Subliminals, BrainStream™, and our UHF CDs
Major Advancement in Silent Subliminal Technology
Now Available to WBLI Clients
Now you can experience the latest achievement in subliminal technology, a method just declassified and, until recently, used only by the US Department of Defense.
When WBLI learned that the use of Silent Subliminals contributed to the quick and voluntary surrender of thousands of Iraqi soldiers in the first Gulf War, we began our own investigation.
A March 23,1991 Reuters news release from Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, attributed the deserting of Iraqi soldiers to the “first known military use of the new, high tech type of subliminal messages referred to as ultra-high frequency “Silent Subliminals” by secretly programming Iraqi radio stations with patriotic Iraqi music, embedded with subliminal messages encouraging a peaceful surrender.
A Revolutionary Approach to Subliminal Technology
When we heard about this powerful, new way to record subliminal messages, we contacted its creator, aerospace engineer O.M. Lowery, to find out how and why his encoding method is such an important step into 21st century brain/mind technology.
Lowery explained that he designed his patent pending process to overcome the deficiencies found in many “masked” subliminals which completely bury all voice affirmations. (The subliminals developed by WBLI do not use traditional masking and are recorded at higher decibel levels which do not completely mask our messages).
Although inaudible to the conscious mind, the Silent Subliminal signals are powerfully perceived by the listener’s unconscious mind.
The Silent Subliminal process records voice affirmations on a powerful, inaudible, ultra high audio frequency carrier in a format which is easily picked up and decoded by the human ear. The encoded voice affirmations actually vibrate the tympanic membrane (diaphragm) of the ear at the strongest possible, yet totally safe, level (typically 8O-l6O decibels/db as measured at the surface of the loud speaker).
Listen to an interview with Bud Lowery, the inventor of the Silent Subliminal™ Technology

Silent Subliminals Measured at lOOdb in Lab Tests
Lowery provided documentation from experts in acoustic laboratory testing which show that subliminal track outputs perceived by the human ear, using the Silent Subliminal recording process, have a measurably superior signal strength of plus 91- lOOdb (decibels) when compared to traditional “masked” subliminals, which average outputs of only minus 18db.
In order to understand the importance of these figures, here are some definitions. A decibel is approximately equal to the smallest change in loudness that may be perceptible to the average listener. The number of db is calculated by taking 10 times the common logarithm of the ratio of the intensities involved. Small differences in db, then, correspond to great differences in the energies and power of intensity of the sound frequencies.
Stronger Signals Mean More Powerful Subliminals
Thus a sound which registers lOOdb has ten billion times the energy/intensity that would be needed to perceive it at the threshold of audibility (i.e. the level at which it is heard by the ear). For comparison, ordinary conversation within a three foot radius is at 65db, while a loud radio is 8Odb and subway noise 95db.
What this means to you, the listener, is that Silent Subliminals register a power increase of over 10 billion times, by actual measurement, than that achieved by traditional “masked” recording methods.
Even Deaf Can Hear Ultra High Frequency Vibrations
Lowery’s concept is validated by researchers at the Medical College of Virginia who reported in the July 5, 1991 issue of SCIENCE – the Journal of the Association for the Advancement of Science – that “both hearing and deaf people are able to understand words transmitted at high-frequency levels once thought to be outside the range of humans”.
If the profoundly deaf can hear, using high frequency vibrations, the implications of this new technology for normal listeners is equally astounding.
Based on the results of independent laboratory results and our own in-house testing, WBLI decided to create practical, yet life-changing applications of the Silent Subliminal™ technology for our subliminal track users. The result is our new product – BrainStorm™ Silent Subliminals™.
Silent Subliminals™ is a trademark of Lowery Associates, Norcross, GA. BrainStorm™ is a trademark of Whole Brain Learning Institute

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