Sunday Discussion Group

The polls will open on the east coast in less than 48 hours. We all have various hopes, fears, and expectations, but now it’s time to start making some predictions.

Three top political analysts have already weighed in.

Stuart Rothenberg says that Democrats are “most likely” to pick up 34 to 40 seats, “with slightly larger gains not impossible.” Rothenberg also says that he thinks “state and national dynamics” make it more likely than not that the Democrats will pick up the six seats they need to take control of the Senate.

Larry Sabato is up with a new set of “Crystal Ball” predictions, and he says he’s never seen a “stormier” outlook for anyone. Sabato is projecting that Democrats will pick up between 23 and 30 seats in the House, with his best guess being 27. But that’s not the worst of it for the GOP, he says. At this moment, Sabato says he doesn’t see “a single election for Senate, House or governor in which a Republican is likely to succeed a Democrat in office.” If that scenario holds, he says, it will be the first time since at least World War II that one of the two major parties has been so thoroughly shut out of electoral success.

Charlie Cook now says it would take a “miracle” for the Republicans to retain control of the House. Based on the latest polling data, Cook says the GOP is likely to lose between 20 and 35 seats in the House, but that a loss of more than 35 seats wouldn’t surprise him, either. “The vulnerable GOP seats are there, the wave is there, maybe it happens, maybe it doesn’t,” he says.

Now it’s your turn. Predict the net change for the House (for example, Dems +15) and the net change for the Senate (for example, Dems +4). For a tiebreaker, also predict the net change in gubernatorial races.

The person who does the best will win a free, autographed copy of “Chasing Ghosts,” written by Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America Director Paul Rieckhoff. (If a few people are tied, I’ll put the names of those who come closest in a hat and pick a winner.)

Ready, set, guess.

Dems gain 22 House seats.

Dems gain 4 Senate seats.

Dems gain 6 governorships.

Sorry I can’t be any more optimistic, but I figure the Republicans’ fear tactics will work on too many people as they enter the polling booth.

  • House 18 seats gain
    Senate 5 seat gain
    Governorships 5

    I’ve got to hope that Webb wins. I’m just sitting here ignoring the Dickster, but I should go back to the show.

    Good Luck America. Hopefully the dawn of a new era begins Wednesday morning.

  • Dems House +32
    Dems Senate +5 (not including Nomentum)

    Seeing how everything have backfired/blownup for the Repubs, I don’t see Diebold being an advantage. If we suddenly see a surge of Republican wins I suspect that there will be protests and demands for recounts.

    One can only steal a few elections before everyone catches on especially when how it gets stolen is becoming public knowledge.

  • Dems Senate: Either plus 2 or plus 3 depending on whether Lieberman turns coat on Nov. 8
    Dems House: Plus 13. Sorry, but I don’t think things are bad enough yet for people to vote for massive change. A look at polls around the nation this morning shows a shift towards the devil they know.

    I hate to think what it WILL take to create a massive vote for change. No, what I really hate is that we’ll find out in the next two years.

  • +24 in house

    +4 Senate

    +6 Gov’s

    Former Dan, do you really think there’d be protests?? Even if there were, do you think they’d matter?

    I have two hopes for this election – that the Dems take back both houses of Congress & that victory margins are wide enough to keep a bunch of races from being tied up in court challenges.

  • I think +30 House, +6 Senate, but I also think Bush will appoint Lieberman to replace Rummy soon after the election, and then Jodi Rell gets to appoint a Republican successor. Lieberman’s last “bipartisan” action.

    That’s why it’s so important for Lamont to win.

  • Only saying something like “Dems +4” is ambiguous, because it doesn’t take into account things like Lieberman.

    Senate: Democrats +5 (49D, 49R, 1I, 1CfL)
    House: Deomcrats +33 (235D, 200R)
    Governor: Democrats +7 (29D, 21R)

  • M’ g’da would’ve muttered something under his breath about not counting chickens…

    If the Dems make no gains and the Fascists retain control, however that may be, do I get the book?

  • My problem is that I am still expecting a Diebold-caused trainwreck that will lead to so much confusion that the election may have to be thrown out and a new election held, probably in December. If this doesn’t happen, and the votes are counted reasonably honestly

    Dems +57 (I was going to say +53, but think the “Haggard effect” will swing more seats their way)

    Sen +8 (counting Lieberman and Sanders as Democrats, and giving them all the close races and Pederson over Kyl)

    Govs, hooboy, haven’t been following them at ALL, will go +5 but that’s pulling a number out of a hat.

  • “Aaak! Too much … Pressure!”

    When I try to think about it I’m gripped by the urge to rush down to the White House and hurl pre-emptive rocks. Or just rush to the toilet for a pre-emptive hurl.

    May the most optimistic prediction win.

  • Holding my nose and shutting my eyes (i.e., forgetting about Diebold, about Bush’s shitting on the Constitution and pissing all over the Magna Carta, hoping the Bush Crime Family has run out of “surprises” for us) I’ll guess

    House +30
    Senate +5
    Governorships +5

    Of course, I realize this is equivalent to expecting that the American people will regain their traditional decency and sense of optimism, that they’ll return the knuckle-dragging snake-handlers to their sweaty meeting tents, that the TeeVee will be banned as a Satanic idol, and that Jimmy Stewart and Katharine Hepburn will come back to life. Hey, I can dream, can’t I?

  • — Senate: Net Democrats gain of 4, if you count the re-election of the self-righteous blowhard from CT as a Democratic loss
    — House: gain of 32 seats
    — Tiebreaker: gain of 7 governorships

  • I try not to prognosticate but this pool has the right buy in for me.

    House:Dems +31
    Senate:Dems +5
    Governorships: Dems +4

    Here is question. What do we do if we wake up on Wednesday morning and find that BushCo has retained control of congress?

  • Predictions depend on the outcome of an intense whispered backroom conversation between Rove and a Diebold operative.

    Rove: You’ve got to deliver the house and the senate!

    Diebold: It’s too dangerous, We can’t steal a landslide,,

    All I can predict is that if the Republicans do magically defy the polls and hold congress, there will be the mother of all shitstorms.

  • 41+ House
    5+ Senate (Lieberman not included, Sanders included)

    GOP House gets drubbed because a.) You can’t unpop a bubble, and b.) the House elections, paradoially at least according to the Federalist Papers, will turn out to have been more successfully nationalized than the Senate races

  • yeah I’m a bit burned and pessimistic at least at the federal level. I still remember the CNN interview with the Bushes on Election Night 2000 when they had already called Florida for Gore and the Bushes were smug as hell because they knew stuff that CNN didn’t. And I also remember how the early returns and the exit polls in 2004 were all for Kerry…

    House +12
    Senate +4
    Governors +6

  • The easiest prediction to make is a surprise. The way things look that favors the Democrats. However, in Ohio and Varginia where the Democrats should win for the first time in a while the weather may be the deciding factor. That too can go either way and actually favors the Democrats. GOP supporters must be fairly dissillusioned at this time and are likely to not make a great effort in what they see as a losing cause.

    Never forget what Yogi said, “it ain’t over till it’s over” so don’t let anything stand in your way Tuesday. VOTE!!!!

  • I forgot to mention that FREE ELECTIONS DO NOT A DEMOCRACY MAKE. They are a start though and without them Democracy is impossible.

  • I really don’t know, but I have an uncomfortable feeling that we’re going to see a rerun of Florida 2000 in enough races to produce chaos for the next few months.

  • It’s hard to be accurate, since being here in Ohio means I’m surrounded by the GOP’s “mother of all implosions.” But, for what it’s worth:

    House:
    Dems gain 46.

    Senate:
    Dems gain 6, but Joe Lie crosses the aisle and gives Cheney his tie-breaker wet dream. Sorry—but there are too many rank-and-file members in the Senate who are thoroughly pissed at the man for disregarding his party’s primary decision. No one will want to serve on a committee chaired by a “Faux Dem”—and the Rove Squad will by waving tempting little morself under Joe’s nose, just to get him to change sides. He will NOT be Rumsfeld’s replacement, however—but might (!!!) be tagged to replace Cheney….

    Gov’s, Secretaries of state, and Attorneys-General:
    Let’s say net gains for Dems on all three—with Governors alone netting a gain of 5

  • ***morself***

    That should be “morsels”—bit the “self” accident almost seems prophetic, given that we’re discussing Darth Lieberman….

  • Diebold voting machines. No paper trail. No auditability. No transparency. No recountability.

    The thugs were given Florida in 2000, stole Ohio in 2004 and I see no reason to expect that pattern to be reversed in the near future.

    I pray I’m wrong, but I think the Dems may pick up seats in Congress, but just enough to remain the minority party.

  • Dem’s win both houses of Congress by whatever margin they get. (Yes, I want to be an optimist, and putting out “we’re losers” into the zeitgeist makes it happen)

    Just to lighten things up, since I love good writing, here’s a great paragraph from James Wolcott – thank goodness Vanity Fair picked him up and now he has to write every day, since he’s damn good.

    Republican poseurs such as Allen and the aspiring stranglers in his party are mimicking this late decadent phase of punk, not its early sonic idealism and adventure. I just hope one of them doesn’t overdo the rough stuff and leave a dead body behind in the hotel room some night. Let Sid and Nancy be a cautionary tale to those Republican lawmakers looking to go a couple rounds with the next woman within fondling range. Congressional privilege only extends so far, and a dead playmate in a messy bed can be awfully tricky to explain to voters.

    And I think the “Haggard effect” will kick in.

  • Predictions depend on the outcome of an intense whispered backroom conversation between Rove and a Diebold operative.

    [Kali]

    Don’t forget phone calls to the Pakistan/Afghanistan border:

    Osama, babe, you’re killing me. We need that tape STAT!

    Tough titty, my fat infidel friend. I looked like crap in the last fright-flick you put together. Don’t you slobs have photoshop? And what the hell was that big golden orb thing? The price for my services is now $25 million in unmarked bills and a weekend with the twins.

    B-but-!

    $30 million, the twins and Condi.

    Sammy, please!

    Farewell, fats. I look forward to watching Pelosi shock the monkey. Peace out!

  • House +19
    Senate +3
    Governor +5

    I think ‘conservative tribe’ members are more willing to vote dem in local elections but will delude themselves in national races into believing republican’ts promises.

  • Remember what Republican’ts did in the 04 election debates: They raised expectations so high that when kerry didn’t mop the floor with bush they could declare victory. I think that’s what Sabato is doing here. He’s a douche. Lower his number by 25% and that’s what he really thinks.

  • One aspect about this election that I’m looking forward to, especially after all the Mark Halperin hoo-haa over the past couple of weeks, is how the MSM will spin if there is indeed a Democratic takeover Tuesday night. Will they portray it as “Democrats victorious and the people have spoken and rejected the GOP” or will they bend over backwards to find silver linings for the GOP? Will it be the usual rightward-looking pundits or will anybody from the left be featured? If the Dems do well will this portend a change in the MSM and will the left have respectability and visibility again?
    To me that stuff is almost as important as the actual political outcome Tuesday night – that’s what will really undo 2000 in my mind and possibly set the stage for a fairer MSM treatment of the 2008 election.

  • I think we’re getting killed in the expectations game, and even a modest taking of the House and a close call in teh Senate will be painted as an extreme loss for the Dems and Rethugs will crow and say they still have a mandate.

    I think Senate will be +5, so counting Joe L as a Dem makes it 50-50, putting little Dick in a position of more power.

    House will be +24
    Govs +6

  • Dems gain 37 House seats

    Dems gain 6 Senate seats (and I’ll even identify the gains — Pa., Ohio, Virginia, Montana, Missouri and Rhode Island)

    Dems gain 7 Governorships

  • I have actually been keeping a spreadsheet for the last month of district-by-district house race rankings from Cook, CQ, Evans-Novak, National Journal, Rothenberg and Larry Sabato. Of those 6, Stu Rothenberg is certainly the most bullish of the bunch, placing his low-end projection for likely Dem pick-ups (35-50) at the high end of Charlie Cook’s range. Bob Novak, unsurprisingly, is the sourfaced poopy-pants bringing up the rear with 20-25.

    I’ve taken all their rankings for each competitive race, converted them to numeric scores and averaged them, then graded the averages back into categories on a scale from Safe Repub to Safe Dem. Yes, I’m a geek.

    Right now, based upon their aggregated wisdom I get:

    Safe Democrat : 190 (D’s)
    Democrat Favored: 9 (8D, 1R)
    Lean Democrat: 11 (4D, 7R)
    Toss-up: 28 (1D, 27R)
    Lean Republican: 19 (R’s)
    Republican Favored: 13 (R’s)
    Safe Republican: 165 (R’s)

    So if a) the cream of celebrity hadicapping is even close to right and b) both parties swept their Safe/Favored/Lean categories and split the toss-ups down the middle, that would give you 224 Dem’s and 211 Repub’s in the house for the next Congress. I happen to think the Dem’s will do a little better than split the toss-ups though, and at least take a nibble or two out of the Leans Republican column. And the movement in second tier races that the big six have picked up on collectively in the last week would appear to support that assessment.

    So I’m going to go with 229 Dem’s and 206 Repub’s in the House. For the Senate, my guess is 50 Democrats, 49 Republicans, 1 Lieberman. Call me a cockeyed optimist but I think Missouri will fall our way in the end (knock on wood). But I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t know the answer to that one before Thursday.

  • House +10
    Senate +3
    Governors +4

    Watching the Sunday morning shows, they already seem to be setting up the narrative for an amazing last-minute Republican comeback. The focus is all on Saddam and last minute polls showing swings away from Democrats. I am extremely suspicious. I expect the majority of that House +10 to be in races that aren’t even on the radar (translation: Rove and Mehlman haven’t dispatched anyone to fix them), while almost all of the in-play races go Republican. I really really really hope I’m wrong.

  • The polls this morning look bad. I can’t believe there’s a chance that shitbag Burns holds on in Montana, and the endgame in Tennessee is pretty depressing: evidently racism still works. Shouldn’t be surprised, but still.

    I honestly have no idea how to predict just under 500 separate races. The easy prediction is that in total, Democrats will win a large enough share of the vote that, were it just a presidential election, the word “landslide” would apply: 54 percent as a floor.

    But the Republicans have set things up in such a way that they can gain a minority of the votes and hold on to a majority of the seats. The dynamic remains Wave versus Wall.

    The outcome in 2004 was so upsetting and traumatic for me, because I was so certain we’d win, that I’m very hesitant to predict anything this time. Then again, I do want that book. So…

    House: +21 (slight majority for the Democrats and Pelosi gets the gavel)

    Senate: +4 (It’s 51-49, until Lieberman resigns and Rell appoints a Republican–then it’s 52-48)

    Governorships: +6 (and we retake a majority of state legislatures, setting us up well for future elections and redistricting fights)

    May it be so. And remember, this is just the beginning of the struggle to reclaim our country.

  • CalD #36:

    For the spreadsheet-obsessed, see the visuals at:

    http://2.006k.com/

    As a bonus, see the states in election-night chronological order.

    PS – Count me in for:
    Dems gain 33 in house
    Dems gain 6 in Senate

  • Martial law on Monday?

    I think that GOP losses at the local level will be significant. I also think that this is our best long term hope for reclaiming the country. At the national level, I think an honest election costs the GOP both houses, but I’m not really counting on an honest election.

    It pains me to say this, and I’m sure it lumps me with the foil hat crowd. But I see us as a post 2000 coup bananna republic. Think about it, they have passed legislative protection for war profiteering, placed US troops under foreign control (and abandoned a US soldier), have published national security hurting documents on a web site, and given huge handouts to special interests, and have been shown to be lying about “chaos” in Iraq – all in the last 14 days before an election. This on the heels of sexually preying on children. Yet there is a good chance of holding the Senate?

    The game starts rigged (districting) and handicapped (incumbants), and the slime bags in charge have no line they won’t cross.

    -jjf

  • House +29
    Senate +5
    Governorships +4

    Even with this why do I suddenly feel like Warren Beatty in Reds thinking that the Workers of the World will Unite.

  • I just looked at the internals on todays WaPo poll. While there is still plenty of good news in the raw numbers for Dems, and you can get some idea that at least some of the cross-tabs are likely fairly positive, the trend lines on the “atmospherics” questions are not good. Look at October vs November polling for things like right direction/wrong track, or whether Dems have a clear plan for a new direction, and whether Congress is doing a good job or not and the numbers have all neutralized sone in the past month.

    Or, more accurately, they have polarized. On many questions, you see the middle falling apart and the “strongly agree” “strongly disagree” numbers rising. As the election becomes more about highly polarized base positions, however, that favors the Rethug playbook. Now the attention will be on the “success” of capturing and getting a death penalty against Saddam in the final hours which will give people a rosy feeling about Iraq.

    My +5, +24, +6 guess at post #24 may be overly optimistic.

  • House +22
    Senate +4
    Governor’s +6

    Two potentially important variables: weather and polling place problems. Inclement weather historically seems to favor Rs. Polling place problems could be widespread and varied, but to my knowledge, they rarely favor low-income voters. Personal prediction: 7 or more congressional races will not be settled by 7:00 a.m. Wednesday.

  • Dems +55 house
    Dems + 8 senate
    Dems +5 Gov

    There is an anger out there the has not been captured in the polls. Bush lied, the republicans enabled and the country is smart and pissed.

  • Karl’s got the fix in.
    House: +20
    Senate: +3 –excluding Joe Loserman
    Governorships: +6

    Dems will play nice, be the scapegoat for the Rethugs who never will and lose the presidency in 2008. Sorry. Believe me.

  • Oh, and may I add that the media will deem the results, whatever they are, as a crushing blow to the feckless Democrats and a sign of an upswing for the Rethugs.

  • Thanks for the tip, aReader. I’ll check it out.

    I’m kind of laid up with a cold today and too hoarse for virtual phone-banking, so Ithink I’ll go through and and do a quick meta-analysis of governor’s race handicapping as I did with the House. I haven’t really been following governor’s races outside my own state (RI), which I believe most pundit’s place in their toss-up column but I’d rate a likely Republican hold.

    I’m actually more interested in party control of state legislatures nationally than I am in governors’ races, since that tends weigh more on the how federal CDs get drawn up. But legislative races are pretty much impossible to track pre-election on a national level. It should be pretty easy to do a governors race analysis though, since I have the spreadsheet all set up. And they do tend to be your source for high grade presidential candidates, after all.

  • Oh golly gosh. Half of you optimistic, half pessimistic.

    After the year-long let down after 2004, I am not allowing myself to get at all optimistic. I’d say House – 20, Senate – 4 (I just can’t see Webb or Ford winning), but, Governorships – 6.

    I hope that Bruce, posting above me is correct about the “anger”, but I thought that two years ago and nothing came of it.

    By the way, we have a fabulous race here in IL-10. For the past 6 years, a non-entity called Mark Kirk has been elected as a “moderate Republican”. Yet, the district, along Chicago’s suburban North Shore and west, has been trending Democratic since 1996. In 2004, for example, Kerry carried the district 53% to 47%, yet Kirk rolled to a very large win against a terrible Democratic candidate.

    This year we have a terrific candidate in Dan Seals, who has rallied the Dems and created a lot of excitement. Most polls show him losing (and I think they’re right), but I’m hoping this race will prove a “positioning” race for 2008, as Seals is committed to running again in two years, as the race is very tight.

    Rahm ignored this race til a few weeks ago, when it seemed to be tightening and then kicked a few bucks our way.

    We’ll see on Tuesday, I guess. The secret to this race is getting the crossover Democrats to vote for their own, instead of “moderate” Mark Kirk (who is Ass’t Majority Whip).

  • I’m afraid I have neither the knowledge nor the fortitude (2004 knocked me down pretty hard) to make a prediction about Tuesday except for this:

    Whatever the results, the battle will just be beginning. And I pray the (current) opposition has effective plans for all contingencies. These guys will not go quietly – if they lose control of any or all of the Congress, it will simply increase their utter contempt for it as a branch of our government.

    Sady, I think the margin in the Senate only will make Joe Lieberman more powerful and therefore, we will be doomed to listen to Holy Joe’s “bipartisan” pontificating on every possible subject. Oh how I wish the Dems had forcefully shunned him when he lost the CT primary.

    Well, I’m off to do my part and fill out my absentee ballot. Here’s to good news Tues night / Weds morning. Gotta second tAiO @13 and hope the most optimistic prediction wins.

  • I’m with TuiMel on the Leiberman factor. Holy Joe was bad enough. Holy Joe with a bruised ego and newly recast as kingmaker-in-chief of the US Senate would be insufferable. I’d almost prefer to see Republicans retain the majority. Just hear me out on this.

    The best case scenario we can possibly hope for on Tuesday would be for Democrats to gain a solid majority in the house and razor-thin majority in the Senate. The chances of gaining a veto-proof 2/3 majority in both houses are precisely nil, as are the chances of Republicans winning a fillibuster-proof majority in the senate. But it’s an absolute certainty that if Dem’s win control both houses, Bush will finally remember where he put his veto stamp.

    So either way, the best the Democrats can hope to accompish in the next congress is begin providing some oversight to the executive branch, shine some light into the darker workings of the federal bureaucracy under Bush with some public hearings and make Republicans look bad by passing a lot of popular legislation for Bush to veto. For that, you only need control of one house of Congress.

    So the major effective difference between Democrats taking the Senate or not taking the Senate, is that in the latter case we still get to use the Senate as a whipping boy for the next two years. There would also be many fewer opportunities for a certain senator from CT to show his buttocks in public, fueling the still-formidable Republican PR machine with regular incidents of “democratic” in-fighting. To me, that doesn’t sound so terrible.

  • But I’d still rather see Democrats get 52 seats in the Senate and tell Holy Joe to go suck wind.

  • Taking the Senate would be nice if the Bush Baby gets another crack at the SCOTUS – although who knows with the Gang of 14 still milling about? Isn’t having some power better than having none?

  • Senate: +4 Dems (Dems pick up 5 seats, but Lieberman makes his Republican affiliation official)

    House: +30 Dems

    Bush launches unilateral airstrikes on Iran the weekend of Nov. 18-19.

  • “Isn’t having some power better than having none?”
    (Comment by TuiMel — 11/5/2006 @ 2:47 pm)

    Well like I said, you get *some* power by taking the House. Whether taking both houses (very narrowly in the case of the Senate) is better than taking just one depends too much on the good behavior of one Joseph Lieberman for me to be completely comfortable with the prospect. Keep in mind that whatever the final tally ends up being, the next Senate is going to include some relatively conservative Democrats from Red states, in need of the occasional high-profile party-bucking vote to please the folks back home. And the inverse will be true for some Repubicans.

    The senate also has a lot more institutional protections for will of the minority than the house, so it’s a lot tougher for a slim majority to steam-roll the other side. We’ve seen quite a few examples of this under Harry Reid’s able leadership and picking up even a couple more seats will just make it easier for Dem’s to hold the line. The bad news is that Reid will likely be up against someone a considerably less inept than Bill Frist in the next congress. But Reid’s still pretty good and he could do a lot with just a couple more seats on his side of the aisle.

  • House: Democrats +11
    Senate: Democrats +3
    Governorships: Democrats +4

    Since 1986 the average number of House seats to change hands in a given election has been 11 (and that’s factoring in the 1994 Republican blowout). The mode has been closer to 5. I don’t think the Democrats are going to do any better than this. The GOP has the advantage of incumbency, plus a frightened and hateful base of voters who will actually bother to vote on Tuesday. In the Senate, the Democrats will pick up PA, OH, and RI. Like everyone else I’m pretty clueless about governorships but will put 4 down as a marker.

  • I’m with Shalimar & Dave NIchols – history, public opinion, strong arguments, and the polls are on the Democrats’ side, but the Republicans have perfected GOTV and electoral sabotage.

    I think of all the issues that Democrats have to their advantage: corruption, Katrina, Iraq, corruption, Social Security, the deficit, veterans benefits, health care, education and corruption. Then I think of how few of those have gotten the airing they deserve on the campaign trail. Instead everyone’s running a local, “me-too” race, which gives the advantage to whoever has the stronger local organization. Stupid.

    When it comes to politics, this campaign season has shown yet again, Republicans are the professionals. Democrats are the amateurs.

    Senate: Dems +2
    House: Dems +10
    Governors: Dems +2

    Like most of the others, I don’t know much about governors. I basically looked at the TPM “poll tracker” and assumed that any Democratic with a lead of 5% or less would lose. That produces: all incumbents win, except Dems pick up NY, MA, OH, NV (less than 5% but attempted rape may influence enough swing voters against Gibbons, just possibly) and Repubs pick up IL, WI.

  • given what we know about Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia and their RethugliCON clients:

    House :5 net to Dems
    Senate : 1 net to Dems
    Govs: 5 net to Dems

    Then we will hear Tony Snowblower, Darth Cheney and the rest of regime say, “Put not your faith in pre-election nor post-election polls. That is the lessen you must learn. The American people have spoken and they have embraced our way of thinking. The Dems are out of step w/ America. We have won the trifecta. We have a mandate… yadda, yadda, yadda”

    Hate to be so cynical, but it’s not like we have’nt seen it happen before.

  • This is “food for thought” (if it doesn’t make you throw up:

    Pew is out with their final pre-election poll and just like the ABC/Wash. Post poll, Pew shows Republicans with momentum. In the generic ballot, Dems lead by just 4 points. More importantly, the GOP has made significant cuts into the Dems once gigantic lead among indies. Also of note, from the release:

    “There also are some indications that Sen. John Kerry’s “botched joke” about the war Iraq may have had a modest impact on the race. Fully 84% of voters say they have heard a lot or a little about Kerry’s remarks – with 60% saying they have heard a lot. By comparison, just 26% say they have heard a lot about President Bush’s statement that he will keep Donald Rumsfeld as secretary of Defense until he leaves office in 2009.”

    This is really depressing, that the people of the United States pay more attention to bullshit than truth.

  • There is a lot of anger out there and no joke of Kerry’s or no verdict in Iraq can turn the tide. If we can assume that we will have an honest election with an honest count, I think the Dems take the house by 40 and the senate by 6. I’l go with the 6 figure on governors that most people are saying, but who knows? By the way, I’m often wrong and my candidate usually loses.

  • A QUESTION:

    How many veterans are running for Congress – House and Senate – as Republicans, as Democrats? How many of these are post-Vietnam vets?
    What percentage of these are incumbents?

    The reason I ask is that the Democratic Party is given a lot of grief, particularly in the South, for its anti-military attitude. As far as I can tell, this is a carry-over from the 60s. So many Republicans seems to be stuck in the 60s. My observation is that the Democrats have worked harder for vet benefits than the Republicans. It would be great to have some statistics to use.

  • OK, I finished my aggregation of governors race rankings from the big 6 handicappers (Cook, CQ, Evans-Novak, Nat’l Journal, Rothenberg and Sabato). Using the same scoring system I used for House races I come up with the following:

    Safe Republican: 0 (but 2 or 3 are pretty close)
    Republican Favored: 6 (R)
    Lean Republican: 8 (R)
    Toss-ups: 7 (3R, 4D)
    Lean Democratic: 5 (3R, 2D)
    Deomcrat Favored: 4 (2R, 2D)
    Safe Democratic: 6 (D)

    Based on the scores I’m seeing (and with all due knocking one wood, throwing of salt over shoulder and turning 3 times and spitting) I’ll venture to guess 8 pick-ups on the Governor’s mansions.

    That brings us to:
    House: +26 D (with Bernie Sanders counted as a Dem in the last congress)
    Senate: +6 D (includes Lieberman)
    Governors: +8 D

  • A word about polls. I noticed a couple of people upthread freaking out about the latest generic congressional ballot polls from Pew and ABC/WP. I wouldn’t — at least not until I saw two or three more just like them.

    First, look at the dates when the fieldwork was done. I note that both of those polls were taken from from 11/1-4. Two other polls that were in the field during the same period — Time, 11/1-3 and Newsweek 11/2-3 — both came in with double digit leads for Democrats, which is much more in line with every other public poll of the same type taken in the last several weeks.

    So either two thirds of a 15+ point lead (on average) simply evaporated, literally overnight, or else we’ve got ourselves a couple of outliers here. The sheer number of polls coming out lately does virtually guarantee a couple of bloopers here and there. Remember that the stated margin of error is for the 95% confidence band. That means that you would expect the poll results to be accurate to within the stated margins 19 out of 20 times. But the flip side of that is that you also expect about 1 poll out of 20 to be completely out to lunch.

    Other recent polls also don’t show Democrats falling out of the likely voter’s screen the way they do in the Pew poll (I didn’t see results for RVs in the ABC/WP poll on pollingreport.com). Of course it’s always possible that the race really did shift by that much in one day, or that Pew and ABC/WP are right and everyone else is wrong. But like I said, I’ll believe that when I see it. There will probably be a rash of new polls out tomorrow so I expect we’ll know more then.

  • I’m with Fitz. I think the Dems appear to win heavily, then Bush suspends the election results pending an investigation into Dem voter fraud. After a few months, he will say that America can’t be held in limbo while he’s at war, so he’s going to set aside the results pending a new election which he will call when he feels the time is right. And the dictatorship will begin.

  • House : Dems +20
    Senate : Dems +3
    Governor : Dems +4

    combination of voter suppression, illegal phone calls, electronic ballot problems, polling place irregularities and delays will make this far closer than anyone expects.

  • House: Dems +10
    Senate: Dems +2

    The most important number of all:

    States in which the election process (casting, counting, certification of votes) will be disrupted by mob action: 5

  • You can say it was overblown and handled unfairly, but there is pretty strong evidence that Kerry’s botched joke has done significant harm. Check http://www.pollster.com/charles_franklin/dem_wave_crested_advantage_shr.php at Pollster.com. It shows the trends in the national “background environment” in terms of party preference. As I read around tonight there is a ton of new evidence to support Pollster’s theory that the wave has crested and is fairly rapidly neutralizing. The Rethugs can probably get much of tomorrow’s news cycle dedicated to Saddam, which will help them as well. Sadly, in terms of what it says about our electorate, it appears the Haggard matter, the Military Times joint editorial, the nuclear secrets website, Bush commiting to keep Rummy – all of these events of the past few days – have not helped the Dems in any noticable fashion.

    I’m beginning to get quite worried about Tuesday. Hopefully, the Dems did a good job of getting a lot of their votes in the bank before the wave crashed.

  • House: +42
    Senate +6
    Governor +5

    I need that House # to be right for my candidate to unseat a Republican incumbent. But she is in a dead heat as of today’s poll.

    Go Angie Paccione for CO-4!!!!!

  • I so, so, so wish I could be optimistic but I’m just not. I cannot see how any one can vote for any Republican’t right now but of course it will happen. Diebold concerns me big time and I just think that the GOP has mastered the GOTV efforts. For those reasons, I go:

    House 13
    Senate 3
    Governor 4

    I am hopeful of being laughed at on Wednesday for being so pessimistic. Of course, if I’m right, we’ll probably all be arrested Wednesday….nice knowing you guys.

  • You know, Karl said a week or two ago that he had THE polls and so wasn’t worried about the polls. Is my tin foil hat on straight or do I smell lyin’ and colludin’ polls coming out now to set the stage for credibility for Karl’s version of events? Then enter the Rethug fraud and loathing machine and voila–somehow the evil empire wins again. Just as those amazing Rethugs knew it would.

  • Dems House +25
    Senate +5 (including Lieberman if he beats Lamont)

    This is one contest, btw, I’d happily lose by seeing the more optimistic projections win.

  • Why pass up a chance at a free bet?

    Faith in the innate goodness of all people, including Americans, suggests :

    House : Dems +40
    Senate : Dems +08
    Governors : Dems +10

    .. and Diebold be damned.

  • My only prediction is that if the Republicans somehow manage to steal tomorrow’s election I will have two more years of heartburn and sleepless nights.

    I just remembered what could be a huge plus for our side. Today is the day that The Army Times, etc. will be publishing the editions calling for Rumsfeld’s head.

  • Senate 7 Dem pick-ups

    House 37 Dem pick-ups

    Governors 7 Dem pick-ups

    I’m watching for a big surprise in Arizona.

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