Taking aim at Webb — by attacking one of his novels

The right is all atwitter with revelations, leaked to the Drudge Report, that Virginia Democratic Senate candidate [tag]Jim Webb[/tag], an accomplished and successful [tag]novel[/tag]ist, included a racy fictional scene in one of his books about a pedophile. It seems like a relatively odd thing to base the campaign on, but Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) is in a very tough spot with very little time remaining, and I suppose you have to go with what you’ve got.

I’ll concede from the outset that the sex scene Webb wrote about is pretty out-there, but then again, sex scenes in literature often are. Indeed, therein lies the point, at least as far as the politics of this story goes — if Webb is to be smeared for a racy description in one of his novels, conservatives are going to be pretty busy condemning several of their close allies.

For example, Scooter Libby wrote a novel featuring an incident involving bestiality.

At age ten the madam put the child in a cage with a bear trained to couple with young girls so the girls would be frigid and not fall in love with their patrons. They fed her through the bars and aroused the bear with a stick when it seemed to lose interest.

Then, of course, there’s Lynne Cheney. In 1981, Cheney, part of a conservative movement that complains bitterly about popular culture and its negative effect on traditional families, wrote a lesbian romance novel. Laura Flanders, who was brave enough to read the book, described it as “celebrating and promotes the value of preventative devices, condoms, to women who want to remain free. It features a woman who has unmarried sex with the widow of her sister — all this by Lynne Cheney, the culture warrior of the right.”

In one particularly memorable, though poorly written, part of the book, Cheney wrote:

Let us go away together, away from the anger and imperatives of men. There will be only the two of us, and we shall linger through long afternoons of sweet retirement. In the evenings I shall read to you while you work your cross-stitch in the firelight. And then we shall go to bed, our bed, my dearest girl.”

Perhaps my personal favorite is Bill O’Reilly.

It never generated much in the way of attention, but O’Reilly’s 1998 novel, “Those Who Trespass,” was pretty odd.

In 1998, after the launch of “The O’Reilly Factor,” but before superstardom, [O’Reilly] published a thriller called “Those Who Trespass,” which is his most ambitious and deeply felt piece of writing. “Those Who Trespass” is a revenge fantasy, and it displays extraordinarily violent impulses. A tall, b.s.-intolerant television journalist named Shannon Michaels, the “product of two Celtic parents,” is pushed out by Global News Network after an incident during the Falkland Islands War, and then by a local station, and he systematically murders the people who ruined his career. He starts with Ron Costello, the veteran correspondent who stole his Falkland story:

“The assailant’s right hand, now holding the oval base of the spoon, rocketed upward, jamming the stainless stem through the roof of Ron Costello’s mouth. The soft tissue gave way quickly and the steel penetrated the correspondent’s brain stem. Ron Costello was clinically dead in four seconds.”

Michaels stalks the woman who forced his resignation from the network and throws her off a balcony. He next murders a television research consultant who had advised the local station to dismiss him: he buries the guy in beach sand up to his neck and lets him slowly drown. Finally, during a break in the Radio and Television News Directors Association convention, he slits the throat of the station manager. O’Reilly describes each of these killings — the careful planning, the suffering of the victim, the act itself — in loving detail.

Apparently, according to the New Yorker’s Nicholas Lemann, the book also offers readers a second tall, b.s.-intolerant Irish-American detective named Tommy O’Malley, who tries to solve Michaels’s murders while competing with the killer for the affection of a busty aristocrat turned b.s.-intolerant crime columnist. As Michael Crowley put it, “The book is reminiscent of a 14-year-old’s revenge fantasy in other ways, which explains a lot.”

The list goes on and on. The point isn’t that the public should condemn political figures who write novels with risqué scenes; the point is that it’s pretty common and hardly worth shaping a Senate campaign around.

Besides, the Webb novel that has so outraged Allen’s conservative allies? It was praised and endorsed by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), which probably wouldn’t have happened were the book some smut-filled pornography.

What about Newty Tewty’s excreable piece of shit called 1945? Basically, it was a what if Nazis won WW2 with loads of sex and voilence and some of the stupidest situations ever put to paper.

I nearly threw the book against the wall of the bookstore after reading just some mere 10 pages.

And, if I sound a little sore, perhaps it was the fact that I’m a failed writer myself and reading such published excrement instead of my excrement threw me for loop.

  • Needless to say, who cares… What a bunch of Muccaca! Its a NOVEL, 100% fiction. That said, this stuff is extremely over the top.

    “The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy’s penis in his mouth.”

    Needless to say, this type of writing will indeed energize the right wing nuts, as well as definately cause pause to some parents out there who were undecided.

    Given how tight the race was, with Allen constantly having an ever so slight lead that will be enought to lock up the election in Allen’s favor.

    And CB, the authors you cite above were not ellected to office, much less in any office. Has anybody in an ELECTED national office written anything like that?

  • You know if a high school kid wrote the passages of “Those Who Trespass” on his MySpace page he’d be arrested.

    That O’Reilly is one sick puppy. I wonder if the real people he imagines murdering have had the sense to obtain restraining orders.

    If (as it should) his career crashes after November 7th, will he start to write a Novel about killing Keith? Maybe in alliance with Ann (the Bitch) Coulter?

    As for Allen, this is so pathetic. Apparantly he can find nothing real as he is wrong on all the issues (especially his boot-licking subservience to Boy George II on the Iraq War).

    This is the fruit of the Rovian plan to dig for dirt on Democratic Candidates?????

  • More shame to the campaign that puts “adults only” material out for general public consumption. Webb can say that his sex scene was written for a particular audience and is not for all tastes.

    Your list should include Ken Starr’s sexy bestseller.

  • Out of curiosity, when was the book written?

    Seems awfully convenient that this became an issue only after Allen’s campaign started having trouble. Not surprising, but convenient.

  • Webb should come out and point out all of the above authors, but then hit Allen HARD on the contents of his sealed divorce documents. Webb was apparently writing fiction, but what is in Allen’s sealed court papers is fact. Allen has now made these documents fair game. What kind of perversion or criminality is Senator Allen hiding, and does Virginia really want a Senator who hides his conduct behind a court seal?

  • Ohhh! Bubba.

    Did you get it in one. Yes, let’s see how Allen’s real life spousal abuse compares to Webb’s fictional child abuse!

  • Out of curiosity, when was the book written?

    1982.

    Well seems to me that Webb was, in fact, a Republican in 1982. Looks like the GOP smut machine still has a corner on the market.

  • For Ohioan,

    Ohio’s “Voter ID Law” appears to have been produced, via Mr. Blackwell’s office, to deny a fair portion of Ohio voters the opportunity to vote on Nov. 7. It seems to be aimed at the lower-income groups in the larger cities who are “thought” to be predominantly registered as Democrats. I’ for one, am happy that a judge has, at least temporarily, blocked the thing. Mr. Blackwell, on the other hand, is not.

    We now return you to your regularly-scheduled discussion on the pathetically-desperate ploys of “Felix….”

  • This book is 24 years old?! For the love of gawd …

    I know I don’t need to explain this to the more sane among us, but for the less sane (and, yes, I’m looking at you, JRS), here’s the deal:

    I’m a professional writer, and am working on a book about a serial murderer. If I have a seen where some guy dismembers a young girl and then scatters her body parts around a city, does that then mean that I am a serial killer?

    Of course not. It just means I can come up with some sick, twisted crap in order to tell a powerful story. Stephen King has made millions off doing the same, as has Anne Rice.

    Not sure why that’s so difficult to understand …

  • I am so glad that we have the GOP to help us focus on the issues. It’s all about the issues. They want to talk about the issues. The issues that matter to the American people are the issues that matter to them.

    Just remember three words and they’ll be happy:

    “Jim Webb….pedophile.”

  • #11 – Steve: I’m happy about it too, I should’ve noted that… but what prompted the case was not just general opposition, but the confusion over what your driver’s license number is: About 10% of the absentee ballots were reportedly entered with the number that appears on your driver’s license above your head in the picture… your real number is the one that starts with 2 letters…

  • Moses, I agree with you that this NOVEL writing should NOT matter in one’s decision on election day…

    But I do think there will be a segment of voters that could either sway their decision to Allen if they were really undecided. You can’t deny it will motivate the right wing homophobes, etc. to get to the polls.

    With the polls that close and ever so tipping in Alllen’s favor thus far, Webb can’t afford that. That is my only point.

  • Didn’t Newt Gingrich have some sleazy scenes about a politician who demanded a divorce from a cancer-ridden wife in a hospital bed, and who loved getting blowjobs because it amounted to deniable sexual relations? Oh wait, that was his actual life – his fiction was slightly less sleazy.

  • But I do think there will be a segment of voters that could either sway their decision to Allen if they were really undecided. You can’t deny it will motivate the right wing homophobes, etc. to get to the polls.

    Oh, I don’t disagree. But that’s what makes “releasing” parts of a book nearly a quarter century old, as well as making this an issue in an election, such a sleazy — yet typical — GOP tactic.

    For a party that keeps talking about how this election will come down to the “issues,” the GOP doesn’t seem all that interested in discussing them. Maybe because all they know how to do is sling as much crap as they can in order to motivate the core of their braindead supporters.

  • Come on Moses, you know in a lot of these tight races the gloves are off and the candidates are going for the eye balls right now.

    I’ve seen it from both sides in my life, even within parties, so I’m not going to chalk it up as a tactic of one part vs. the other… perhaps the GOP is “more guilty” at this part of the political cycle, but the Dems have played that game as well in the past.

    It’s all frankly, just pathetic, that’s why so very few decent (and qualified)people want to get involved with politics, so we get the pick of the bottom of the barrel — from both parties.

  • i always find this “we pick from the bottom the barrel from both parties” interesting. people say stuff like this all of the time, it has become part of the Conventional Wisdom. and I don’t doubt that the negative, fishbowl aspect of modern politics and office-holding is a deterrent to many people.

    nonetheless, there are three aspects of this claim that always trouble me:

    1) Isn’t it possible we have cause and effect backwards? maybe perfectly good people are running and the attack ads, rather than keeping good people out, merely make good people look like bad people after a while? Or having to raise funds every single day of your career may actually turn good people into bad people?

    2) Are we really getting the bottom of the barrel? Whatever one may think of how Bush 41 ran things, has there ever been a more perfect resume for President? VP, Ambassador, CIA Director, military service – this guy had done it all. Al Gore? VP, Senator, military service, widely considered one of the foremost policy wonks. How are these the “bottom of the barrel”? And have the “nicer” people, arguably the better people as human beings — Ford and Carter — really governed very well? And like them or not, HRC and Mitt Romney, just to pick an example from either party, have done some impressive things and earned some impressive honors for their accomplishments (I could just as easily say Wes Clark and McCain, and many of the other possible candidates). How, again, is this “scraping the bottom”?

    3) Who are we missing? No one ever lists names of who they think should be running. The kindly guy down the block with no relevant experience? The little old lady who dispenses common sense at church but has never held office? Who is it we are longing for? This strikes me as akin to the longing for a mythologized “good old days” that never really were. The only ones I can think of that have directly caused this reaction were (a) Mario Cuomo when he sat out in 1992 – and I strongly doubt he would have been a better President than Clinton, who won that year, and (b) Colin Powell, and all I can say is given how he got suckered in by Bush 43, and how wishy-washy he turned out, I’m not sure we missed out on much there, either.

    It is easy for the general public to sit back and take shots at how awful the candidates are, but I’m not sure it holds up to scrutiny, and I’d take the complaints much better from a populous that was generally better informed or ever made the effort to be directly involved in politics themselves.

    (disclosure: i spent a dozen years working in paid positions on campaigns and in elective offices, so I have a bit of a bias towards those who actually put themselves out there for public inspection and live on 7-11 sandwiches and out of cars for months on end.)

  • It’s all frankly, just pathetic, that’s why so very few decent (and qualified)people want to get involved with politics, so we get the pick of the bottom of the barrel — from both parties.

    Again, I don’t disagree. But you have to admit that the GOP is really setting a new low this election cycle and are taking politics to depths never, ever seen before. The Dems have had attack ads as well, but NOTHING like what the Repubs are doing.

    The GOP keeps claiming that this election is “about the issues.” Yet damn near every ad they’ve put out focuses more on trying to smear their opponent. To that end they’ve flat-out lied, appealed to racist sentiment, and tried to scare the crap out of people. And each time they’re called on it, the refuse to pull the ad in question.

    I fully realize that the politics of personal destruction are nothing new, but … damn. It really is getting pathetic. It is by far the sleaziest ad season I’ve ever seen in nearly 20 years of following politics.

    Maybe the time will come where we have worthy people running for office and campaigns that focus more on why we should vote for one person, rather than on why we shouldn’t vote for another. But if this year is any indication, that time is a long, long way off.

  • I think an important point as far as these scenes in the novels go is that he based them on his experiences (and others’ experiences) in Vietnam… they weren’t entirely made up. He saw depravity, and wrote about it, and that’s part of why the novels were meaningful to people… they were pointing out the depravity of war.

    There’s a big difference between writing about something horrible to show it as exactly that, something horrible, and writing it because it’s a secret fantasy. I think, based on the genre of the novel, it’s pretty clear it was the former.

    Apparently Webb did respond to this whole thing on the radio this morning.

  • Maybe they ought to read “Fields of Fire” to find out what Webb thinks of people like George Bush, Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, George Allen, Rush Limpdick, and every other Republican “patriot” who avoided service in Vietnam. I notice they aren’t quoting anything from that book, or his other Vietnam novel, “A Country Such As This.”

  • Webb explained that his novels were not “Tropic of Capricorn” style novels, but that his books “go after themes” and aim to show “how the world lives.”

    The bottom line is that this is a Karl Rove campaign by George Allen – divisive, character assassination, etc. In contrast, Allen is “not running on his affirmative vision” and instead is trying to “avoid the fact that he has shown no leadership” on the Iraq War and other issues.

    On Iraq, Webb said he would not vote to cut off funding, but that he certainly would not vote to fund construction of permanent bases in that country. Webb reiterated that he was an early warning voice against going into Iraq in the first place. He also noted that what Jim Baker and his study group are saying now, “I started saying 2 1/2 years ago.” Webb stressed that we need to talk to everyone, and that we need a Senator with the ability to “think these issues through.”

    From dKos

  • Unholy Moses said everything that needed to be said as a writer about writing. As a fellow writer who’s been accused by righties of being supportive of rape, murder and knee-capping (because it’s happened in my scripts), I know well what he’s talking about, and certainly understand Webb.

    Today, the Virginian-Pilot endorsed Webb for Senator. One of the online replies certainly demonstrates the mendacious stupidity of Republicans:

    “Does your endorsement mean that you support Webb’s writings — which are a definitive reflection of his real character? Do we take this to mean that you endorse sex between our teenagers? Does this mean that you endorse incest? Does this mean that you endorse Gay Marriage as well? Thanks for setting the record straight.”

    Amazing – “a definitive reflection of his real character” because he’s willing to write about it. I’m actually amazed this fool could even read the editorial, let alone anything else.

  • Amazing – “a definitive reflection of his real character” because he’s willing to write about it. I’m actually amazed this fool could even read the editorial, let alone anything else.

    Drones don’t need to read or understand a damn thing. They just need to copy and paste the e-mail sent round by the local Grand High Right Wanker. I bet the paper gets nine million identical letters to the editor.

    My final word on this: Any person too fucking stupid to understand the concept of fiction has shot past Shrubya in the hopeless bastard race and deserves the tobacco spitting champeen of ol’ Virginy. These are the same people who think professional wrestling is real and for all I know keep some garlic on hand in case Dracula feels the need for a pint of incredibly inbred blood. By these idiots’ “You wrote it, therefore you must like it,” logic, Thomas Harris should be locked up with Stephen King.

  • These are the same people who think professional wrestling is real…
    Comment by Taio

    🙂 These are people who think professional writing is real. Recall the case of expert witness, Michael Crichton?

    I do have a question though: Is the O’Reilly novel different from the other politicians’ novels?

  • To rephrase what I wrote (in response to some shill/troll or other, when he claimed Webb was a racist, because a character in his book used racist language) yesterday:

    If an author’s beliefs and/or character were to be judged by the characters depicted in his book/books… Then *every* writer “worth his salt” (ie, possessed of a good eye and ear for everyday life and with a good mind, capable of synthesizing situations for a greater impact) would have to be a stark, raving, lunatic schizophrenic.

    We’d have Aristophanes, Shakespeare, Dickens et al vying for the first place in the Guiness Book of Records for the position of he “Most Multiple Personality Disorder” representative.

    I do admit, however, to an occasional, wistful, pang… I wish that Webb would consider lowering himself to Allen’s standard and kick below the belt…

    It’s perverse of me, I know; I’ll be voting for Webb *precisely because he’s not like that*. Still…

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