Taking the presidential race in a cheap and ugly direction

About a month ago, the Huffington Post’s Tom Edsall reported that Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign may be subtly, quietly targeting Barack Obama over his teenaged drug use. Ridiculous, said the Clinton campaign, who insisted Edsall’s report was baseless.

Shortly thereafter, Billy Shaheen, the then-co-chairman of Clinton’s campaign in New Hampshire, went after Obama on the issue, and publicly questioned whether Obama may have been a drug dealer. The Clinton campaign, to its credit, quickly forced Shaheen to step down from his post.

And yet, yesterday, another high-profile Clinton surrogate picked up where Shaheen left off.

Robert L. Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, who is campaigning today in South Carolina with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, just made a suggestion that raised the specter of Barack Obama’s past drug use. He also compared Mr. Obama to Sidney Poitier, the black actor, in “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner.” […]

“And to me, as an African-American, I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues since Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood –¬ and I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in the book –¬ when they have been involved.”

Moments later, he added: “That kind of campaign behavior does not resonate with me, for a guy who says, ‘I want to be a reasonable, likable, Sidney Poitier ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner.’ And I’m thinking, I’m thinking to myself, this ain’t a movie, Sidney. This is real life.”

Clinton, who spent the day campaigning alongside Johnson and was there when he made the remarks, did not criticize or distance herself from the comments. That’s a shame, because Bob Johnson took a very low road.

Now, it’s worth noting that, a few hours later, Johnson issued a statement — through the Clinton campaign — explaining that he was referring to “Obama’s time spent as a community organizer.”

Johnson apparently thinks, or at least hopes, that everyone who sees his remarks is a blithering idiot. By Johnson’s logic, Obama was not “deeply and emotionally involved in black issues” while serving as a community organizer in inner-city Chicago, working with black churches. That’s the defense — that Obama’s noble efforts couldn’t even be acknowledged out loud. Please.

And then, just to add insult to injury, Johnson’s comments about Sidney Poitier only serve to reinforce the impression that the Clinton campaign is intentionally using racially-divisive language.

For that matter, let’s also not lose sight of the messenger here. For all the talk that Obama has hurt his own cause by referencing conservative frames on specific issues, Hillary Clinton was campaigning alongside Bob Johnson — a public advocate of Bush’s plan to privatize Social Security and an active proponent of Bush’s plan to eliminate the estate tax.

I’ll have another post later today, exploring whether or not the Clinton campaign has embraced a deliberate strategy of using racially-charged tactics, but in the interim, this Bob Johnson flap is, to put it mildly, disappointing. That Clinton stood by and said nothing was a mistake. That the Clinton campaign issued a ridiculous statement on Johnson’s behalf compounded that mistake.

If Clinton were willing to publicly criticize Johnson for his cheap shot, that would be a big first step in the right direction, and might even help lower the temperature a bit. Alas, given what we’ve seen, that seems unlikely.

No Sista Souljah moment for Hilary, eh? Seems like we have a case of dueling Black Endorsements going on here. And these “folks” are going to transcend race in the campaign?

Uh huh.

  • I could say that this will help Obama’s campaign get ready for the Rovian tactics the Republican’ts will be throwing at him after February 5th.

    But honestly I think it sucks.

    And I’d be even madder about it if it weren’t for the Rovian spin the Obama and Edwards campaigns have put on Hillary’s King/Johnson Civil Rights comments. I’ve listened to what Hillary has to say and it is not a slam on Martin Luther King Jr. It just points out that Lyndon Johnson got the laws passed.

    For an example, Al Gore might move the country to wanting to fix climate change, but if Hillary gets the necessary laws passed (not a given that she’ll even try I’ll admit) then it will prove her point. We have to have the RIGHT kind of President in the White House. We certainly are not going to make progress with a clone of Boy George II (BGIII?).

    So right now I’m pretty pissed off with all three campaigns.

  • BET founder Bob Johnson’s vicious attack on Senator Obama on behalf of Mrs. Clinton was utterly disgusting. I’m certain this will be reflected adversely in the ratings and the attitude od advertisers toward BET broadcasts.

  • The sooner we’re rid of the Clintons (and the Bushes) the happier I’ll be.

    I’ll still vote for her if she’s one the Democratic Party really wants, but I’ll have to really, really pinch my nose while doing so.

    Nationally divisive I understand (but don’t like). Dividing the party this way is another matter.

  • Lance@2
    “It took a president to get it done.”

    The president signed a piece of paper.
    King and his cadre went to jail, marched, took on death threats, got killed.

    It was a colossally stupid thing for her to say. I understand she was trying to say speeches aren’t action, but she picked a fabulously BAD analogy.
    It may be assumed that remark was not off the cuff and she actually had TIME to realize how stupid it was and she did stick her thumb in the eye of civil rights activists.

    I give her the benefit of the doubt. Colossal stupidity.
    The alternative is that she truly think Johnson’s achievements were more important than King’s. Which is surreal… AND stupid.

    Candidates will do dumb things. All the apologists for Hilary resent that she’s being accused of belittling King. What they fail to do is acknowledge the only other interpretation because it would refelct badly on her and the faux finish of infallibility she began her campaign with is what they’re trying to maintain. It’s just the thing that turns some of us off, off, off about her.

    Funny this guy is harping on about a mistake Obama never made while utterly ignoring his favorite canididate’s snafu.

  • You’ve got this absolutely right CB.

    Smooching up to Black Exploitation Television’s Johnson is utterly unbecoming.
    Toss in the lawsuits in Nevada to suppress voting…
    Add a little conflating of LBJ and MLK…
    Season with some lies about Obama’s Iraq war position…

    And what do you have?

    A growing population of people like me who will do everything possible to defeat the Clintons should they get the nomination.

  • At the very least, the day Clinton is the nominee, I will be changing my party ID from registered Dem to registered Independent.

    I will give Hillary the chance to earn my vote, but judging by her actions in the primary, that’s not likely. In fact, I’d say my first option would be to simply not vote.

    The saddest part of all this is that with moderate GOPers, right-leaning Indies, and moderate “Christian values” voters are all so disssatisfied with their leaders that we have the chance to both consolidate the Dem base, win Indies, and divide the GOP base, and earn a genuine “realignment” victory.

    And we have literally the perfect candidate to achieve that goal, and do it without sacrificing core progressive principles.

    And instead, we see efforts from an alleged Dem “leader” to literally divide the Democratic party down racial and gender fault lines.

    This also puts the lie to the claim that the polarization of the 90’s was the sole responsibility of the GOP and that the Clintons didn’t contribute to it all.

    At this point it is abundantly clear that the Clintons themselves practice polarizing politics, and polarizing politics do not serve progressive interests, because they harden opposition.

    If there was ever a reason to vote against the Clintons in the primary, this is it.

  • #5 “The president signed a piece of paper.”

    That president did much, much more than merely signing a piece of paper.

    That’s what makes this silly issue so painful.

    Like Lance (#2), I watched the whole thing and it’s hardly a slam on MLK and those who worked with him to advance the cause.

    But until we become simply a mobocracy, it’s going to take the machinery of government to enact laws. At risk to his own career (as it turned out) and risking the Democratic Party for fifty years (as he accurately predicted, and as we’ve seen in the pathetic string of presidents since the Great Society), Lyndon Johnson did the right thing and engineering congressional passage of the Voting Rights and Civil Rights acts. He deserves credit for that.

  • And just imagine, this all coming from the campaign of the spouse of “America’s First Black President.”

    Based on this crap, someone please tell me how are the Dems tactics are any different than the GOP when it comes to race?

  • Obama didn’t spin or distort clintons words. She just upset a lot of people. Even if obama said nothing poeple would he offended.

  • first off… if this were a white male republican candidate wouldn’t past drug use be okay to bring up? hmmm… in 2000 and 2004 i do believe that many dems wanted more of W’s past drug use brought to the forefront. i’m not saying it’s right… i didn’t like it when Ann Richard’s vile opponent questioned her abilities because of her alcoholism and possible illegal drug use….

    as for Hillary “dissing” the efforts and ultimate sacrifice of MLK she said:

    “I would point to the fact that that Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the President before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done. That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became a real in people’s lives because we had a president who said we are going to do it, and actually got it accomplished.”

    awkward yes, but she is basically saying that LBJ played a role in realizing MLK’s dream. it did take a president to get it done. that doesn’t diminish MLK in any way.

  • I was so hoping the day was not going to start with more and continuing “controversy,” but maybe that’s more proof that hope doesn’t actually make things happen. Whatever.

    Here’s the thing that’s really getting to me: in a compressed primary schedule, where the opportunities for the American people to have their concerns about the economy, health care and Iraq addressed are zipping by, there have been days wasted – yes, wasted – on microscopic parsing of language that I think is much less about racism than it is about finding some way to hamstring one candidate’s ability to speak with any credibility, and thus neutralize her as a threat to being elected. And whether that is coming directly from the Obama campaign, or from high-profile supporters, or from the blogosphere, doesn’t much matter.

    We’re lucky that the GOP is in such disarray, because while the Dems are calibrating their racism detectors to the highest possible setting, Republicans could be using this as an opportunity to look like they actually care about the issues – to appear to be the party that is thinking about the American people.

    As a white woman, I know that I have never walked in the shoes of any black person, and I’m sensitive to that, but it’s also starting to piss me off more than a little that now that we have a black candidate, all of a sudden I and the rest of white America can have nothing to say about issues and subjects that blacks “own,” and that every phrase, every word “means” that we are engaging in dog-whistle politics. That’s crap.

    And if I feel that way, you can bet that a lot of other people do too – people who have worked to advance the civil and human rights of others, people who have taught their children that all people are equal, people whose minds have always been open, who consider themselves to be color blind.

    If we’ve come far enough that we could be electing the first black president, we’d better cut this crap out, now, and start acting like we are all on the same side; this has the potential not just to knock Hillary out of contention, but to put a Republican in the WH for at least 4 more years.

  • Obama mentioned something in his book that would come out anyway. How does that take it off the table for discussion? Bush didn’t want to talk about cocaine, either. How has that worked out?

    How is calling people racists going to get their support later? Or calling them Rovian or Republican or whatever? Just because Obama calls himself a unity candidate, people will magically forget being denigrated by Obama’s supporters?

    All this hunting around in British newspapers and so forth to find language to clutch pearls and wring hankies over is way more than I can tolerate. Obama may well get the nomination by such behaviour only to find himself the first losing major party candidate for the presidency.

  • And while I understand the good government instinct to have long nomination processes, this is the downside: tribalism is inherent. once people pick “their” candidate, they tend to grow an animosity toward the others. Most Dems I knew (other than on blogs) resisted it for a long time – most I knew were thrilled at the abundance of good choices, and liked and could vote for all of them. but at the end of the day, in a close race, the Obama and Clinton (and, as we saw in NH, Edwards can get in on it as well) camps will tear each other apart.

    Yes, this happens every cycle – it happened with Kerry and Dean, Bush and McCain – usually without much lasting effect. But here we have two candidate who cannot escape their identity even if they wanted to. They stand for the long deferred, long prohibited (in a de facto sense recently, a de jure sense earlier) opportunities not just to be Presdient, but in business and society at large, for their race and gender. That magnifies the intensity of feeling, the ownership of the opportunity, a thousand-fold. What would normally be simple intra-party primary scrapping becomes filled with cultural landmines, ready to do more than the usual damage – ready to rend the country apart over race and gender issues.

    Unfortunately, the Obama swooners seem to think the answer is for everyone else to just clear out for their messiah. The gushing talk and Beatlemania wooziness seems childlike and simplistic, and turn off a great many – women and men alike. While I’m not sure what the answer is, I know that is not it – if women feel HRC is “pushed” out of the race, the backlash will be worse than it was in NH. If Clinton tries to attack Obama (you know, the usual stuff of political campaigns) we are warned on these pages that blacks will not support the Democrats this fall.

    What began as an embarassment of Democratic riches, particularly compared to the flawed Republicans, risks turning into merely a Democratic embarassment.
    Being a lifelong Democrat, I can’t say I’m shocked.

  • I think Hillary is well aware that this subtle race-baiting makes her and her campaign look bad. But I can also cynically imagine that they’re betting on a thin-skinned reaction that will make Obama look worse.

  • Given the recent behaviors and thinly-veiled nuances, it appears to have come to the point where one can almost casually sense “Clintonianism” as being a return to the days of cotton plantations, genteel, mint-julep-sipping “Massahs,” and well-heeled “house you-know-whats.” Johnson’s snipe little comments, when boiled down to their core, does nothing but accuse Obama of being an “uppity so-and-so.”

    A Clinton nomination will only serve to reinforce my belief that one’s vote is a sacred trust; a covenant with the Constitution and the Founders themselves, and should not be exercised in support of a candidate lacking the means to be worthy of that vote. As the Clinton campaign demonstrates this apparent unwillingness to overtly reject the current behaviors of its staff and supporters, it participates in its own version of voter suppression and intimidation that borders on being labeled “Jim Crow Subtlety.”

    And that is a thing to which I will never lend the “holiness” of my individual vote….

  • Re: #5,

    TWFO, you didn’t even quote me, but you wrote that as if you did.

    Are we a student of Karl Rove? ‘Cause that’s pretty Rovian tactics, misquote someone then attack the misquote, not what they really wrote.

    And frankly between Obama and Edwards I’m seeing a lot of that. Hillary said NOTHING offensive. Take it out of context or misquote it (like you did here) and you can claim that people are offended, then you get to attack her because they were offended by your misquote.

    So hate Hillary all you want, but these are not compelling arguments you’re making.

  • Unfortunately, the Obama swooners seem to think the answer is for everyone else to just clear out for their messiah.

    And Hillary’s supporters would like to believe that living in the same building as the President for eight years qualifies one to be elected President. They also believe that someone who introduced a bill in the Senate to ban flag burning is really a progressive and an agent for change.

  • So right now I’m pretty pissed off with all three campaigns.

    I’m with you. Why I thought we were going to avoid the circular firing squad this time around I don’t know. I’ve got nothing against debating points of difference, but this is just media-feeding crap that does none of the participants any good. Confirms all the stereotypes about vitriolic leftwing identity politics and inspires negative confidence in the Dems’ ability to unite the country and lead. All sides would have been vastly better off–as would the party–by playing down these pseudo-controversies, which the Villagers love and everyone else look upon with revulsion.

    Bad bad bad. Where are the adults in this campaign?

  • Hillary Clinton was campaigning alongside Bob Johnson — a public advocate of Bush’s plan to privatize Social Security and an active proponent of Bush’s plan to eliminate the estate tax.

    OK, that is depressing. I mean… WTF???

    Does she also plan to campaign alongside people who advocate repealing Roe?

    WTF is wrong with these people? Did Murdoch slip her the koolaid or what?

  • When I started commenting here, I assumed the name Jen Flowers as a reference to Gennifer, one of Bill’s escapades. After reading the comments here and watching tv coverage of the race, I have concluded that I will vote for Hillary Clinton. Quite a shock to me, this transition. Edwards, who wants to fight, has no chance. The two “triangulators”, Obama and Clinton, both want to work with the Republicans. One of them thinks that the Republicans will want to work with him.

    If W had simply been as bad as his father, I would probably vote for Obama. I like him. But I don’t think Mister Nice Guy is the right person for the job. We really do need a total bitch. And the people who write the anti-Clinton diatribes sound so much like Ron Paul enthusiasts that I opt to stay with the reasonable writers.

    I want to thank all of you for bringing me to this position. Have fun parsing works and working yourselves into a frenzy.

  • I’ll keep checking back on your website. I just started on my own webpage this week with the same idea of posting political viewpoints. Glad I came across your page.

  • Does she also plan to campaign alongside people who advocate repealing Roe?

    Apparently she felt the need to reach out to less progressive South Carolinians to keep pace with Obama’s homophobic gospel concert and all.

  • First point: Lyndon Johnson’s work in getting the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was heroic, if you’ve read anything about it. The Southern Democrats had a long-standing filibuster in place for any legislation of that kind. Johnson’s knowledge of the Senate from his time as Majority Leader — of the ins/outs of parliamentary procedure, and of the individual players — were essential. He also knew that as a Southerner himself, he was the only one who could get it done. He fought tooth and nail, bargained, cajoled, yelled, berated — used every tool at his disposal, and it was still a nailbiter. Kennedy would probably not have gotten it through.

    This is not to take anything away from Dr. King, who was the moral epicenter and force of the movement. But give credit where credit is due. Politics is the art of the possible. Dr. King made the dream possible — but it took a mean sumbitch with a legislative genius to get it past the Southern Democrats (who are now Republicans…)

    Second point: It was inevitable that Obama and Clinton would play whatever cards they needed. They’re running for President and history books get written about the winner. Speaking of Johnson, is there any doubt at this point that he stole that first Senate election? But he became President and he gets the history books and he’s who we talk about. Obama and Clinton want to be the one to sit in that office and make the decision, and losing is not an option.

    The dynamic can play out in several ways. The Obama people hope that democratic voters are disillusioned with the Clintons and vote for their guy; the Clinton people are hoping that the voters step back from the Obama worship and take him down a few pegs, and vote for their woman. Either is possible, if the race runs like a seesaw.

    However there are other ways this can play out. Enough people can become turned off to both Obama and Clinton, and turn to the third candidate, Edwards, either in protest or because they decide he’s the real democrat. You have the chance of neither Obama nor Clinton getting the magic number of delegates (either splitting everything and/or Edwards taking 10-20%) — which becomes an open convention where anything can happen. Edwards could drive the vote to whichever candidate he favored, he could become the compromise candidate…

    ….or on the fifth ballot you could start hearing random votes for Al Gore……..

    (hey, I can dream, can’t I?)

  • While the Clinton/Obama race is surely the most high-profile iteration, the infighting between gender activists and race activists is not remotely new and has always been to the detriment of both — the old white men laugh all the way to every seat of power when it happens.

    At my alma mater, nearly every campus building is named for a dead white guy, and given the times they lived in, surely not all of them were progressive on race. In the early 80s, two great progressive recognitions took place. A statue was erected honoring the first black football player, who was also a great student, and died due to injuries suffered on the field. And a building was named for Carrie Chapman Catt, and became headquarters of a program on women in politics.

    15 years later, the Black Student Government requested that the Catt’s name be dropped from the building because she used racially divisive tactics and trade-offs to help women get the vote. They didn’t take a purely positive approach and argue to name a building after a racial minority (there was already a Carver Hall) or go after any of the dozens of buildings named for dead white guys – they went after the one building named for a history-making woman. As you might imagine, the women on campus were hugely offended and fought back hard (and ultimately won). The only beneficiaries were the College Republicans, since now two major progressive forces on campus were no longer on speaking terms.

    I’ve seen this repeat itself over and over; it makes absolutely no strategic sense for anyone involved (i feel the same way when black churches oppose gay rights and have a fit when someone compares gay marriage to Loving v Virginia) — all who have suffered oppression should stand in sympathy with one another. (Faux oppression, like the right claims to feel pretty well daily doesn’t count).

    It pains me, politically and culturally, to see this cycle repeated.

  • Both campaigns are attacking each other — big deal. The Clintons don’t deserve to be called racists because they have more than enough accomplishments on behalf of African Americans to show their dedication to that cause. Obama does have to explain the stupidity of using cocaine, which is not equivalent to smoking grass. When Obama plays a rap song that refers to Clinton as a bitch, thickens his own dialect before African American audiences, and sends his people out to play the race card at every opportunity, he cannot whine when he gets some of his own back. This is ugly, but Obama is no victim. I also dislike the use of the term “surrogate” above to refer to Johnson. Does that make Oprah an Obama surrogate. These people are supporters, not operatives. Lets be fair in the language used to report these events, please.

  • So is Hillary Clinton supposed to get a pass on her slimeball tactics? The Clinton campaign is banking on white discomfort with disgruntled black folks to turn the tide in her favor.

    It seems counter-intuitive to repeatedly reward the Clinton’s for their bad behaviour by voting for them – but that is what many are doing. If the media says something you don’t like Senator Clinton? Blame Obama. If some black people take offense to her race-baiting comments? Blame Obama.

    Everyone is free to choose the candidate they feel is best for the job. But are you choosing, or reacting to the things that have been done to get you to react?

  • I keep hearing about all these things that the Clintons have done for Black Americans. What exactly are these things?

  • I gotta second zeit’s comments. Both camps really are starting to annoy me, and I find this turn of events extremely disappointing.

  • After reading the comments here and watching tv coverage of the race, I have concluded that I will vote for Hillary Clinton. -jen flowers

    I’d wager there are just as many who have been convinced not to vote for her, no matter the circumstances, as I have. Frankly, it’s her inability to learn from her mistakes as illustrated by Kyl-Lieberman that pushed me over the edge.

    And the people who write the anti-Clinton diatribes sound so much like Ron Paul enthusiasts that I opt to stay with the reasonable writers. -jen flowers

    Well, there may be a couple vitriolic, red-faced Clinton haters, but I still think the majority of those opposed to her candidacy are sound. I will concede that zeitgeist and others have given me pause to reflect my position, but I can’t rationalize my vote based on the tenor of someone’s supporters.

    I remain firmly undecided just a couple weeks out from Super-Duper-Tuesday, except that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I will not be able to rationalize a vote for Clinton with my conscience.

    I certainly have been off-put by these recent shenanigans and disappointed with several campaigns all around. Can I just vote for Dean again?

  • First I would just like to say that I am not very active in politics. But being a young black man in today’s society has me thinking who is really looking out for our (everyone as a nation) best interest. How does a Presidential race turn into a battle between Presidential Candidates and their sponsors? I know I’m young and ill experience in the field of politics, but even I have my doubts in the sincerity of roll Mr. Robert Johnson is attempting to play. The one thing that I do know is that all these sidebar arguments that are irrelevant in a sense, need to just stop. In a way the actions that have been displayed are, well lets call it like we see it, there very immature and have no place in a nations Presidential election. Not being bias to either candidate mind you. How about we focus more on returning out brave and courageous troops home and less on who did what or said this!

  • Obama’s campaign is boiling down to more of the whineing and bickering arrogance of the colored race that is NEVER satisfied, no matter how much, or how many rights they are given. They want it ALL and now, see a way to get it by electing a black president.
    A little word of knowledge, people. Why did Karl Rove resign from the Bush cabinet and is now advising Obama? The hanwriting is on the wall. He was sent out to get Obama elected as the Democratic Candidate because the Republicans feel, to quote (we can clean his clock). They are afraid Hillary could take them on and WIN.
    So, (quote) “You go out there, Karl, and do everything you can to get Obama in there so we can keep the presidency for the Republicans in November.” Why hasn’t more been said about where Rove is and what he is doing? You have to pay close attention to see and catch these important details instead of going around with blinders on, being led like cattle to where your “keeper” wants you.

  • Ernest Ross wrote: “The one thing that I do know is that all these sidebar arguments that are irrelevant in a sense, need to just stop. In a way the actions that have been displayed are, well lets call it like we see it, there very immature and have no place in a nations Presidential election. Not being bias to either candidate mind you. How about we focus more on returning out brave and courageous troops home and less on who did what or said this!”

    AMEN!!! and then let’s talk about beginning the clean up of the messes left by W. More substance… less hype!!!

  • I made the same decision as Jen Flowers #22. The gender bashing of Hillary Clinton makes me sick, because it is so acceptable. People are getting all upset over any racial comments, but it’s OK to call Hillary Clinton a bitch or worse. From The New York Post via The Huffington Post: “‘Presidential hopeful Barack Obama claims to run a clean campaign, but someone in his camp took a swipe at Hillary Clinton through the candidate’s theme song. As Obama and his wife, Michelle, strolled triumphantly into his victory party in Des Moines, Iowa, on Jan. 3, Jay-Z’s ‘99 Problems’ was blaring. In it, Jay raps, ‘I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain’t one.’”

  • Rob Johnson? That arrogant prick is camping for HRC?

    Bwahahaha!

    Rob “Ran BET so far into the red you need an infrafred camera to see the numbers” Johnson??

    Whooo!

    I know we shouldn’t judge a candidate by the company s/he keeps but … um … YIKES.

  • Can I just vote for Dean again?

    doubtful, we’d certainly be on the same side on that one.

    and Anne, if this Obama-Clinton mutually assured destruction keeps up a bit longer, your guy Edwards may be getting a lot of second looks from people.

  • Clinton attacks, Obama defends, and then people blame Senator Obama for the problem? Am I the only one who thinks that’s counterproductive and just plain STRANGE?

    Please take the time to sort throught the Clinton’s BS before you just lump Senator Obama in.

  • lyn5, I do hope you note the irony of the content of your comment while your purport to agree with a comment that says:

    We really do need a total bitch.

  • no care who will be president, I only care who can give me jobs. if now was clinton presidency, I will voter for obama considering no deficits. but now I have to be for hillary clinton. it would be very highly risky to try obama’s change with enormous deficits.

  • Comment #22 by Jen…

    Great reasoning there – vote for the “bitch” instead of “Mr. Nice Guy”. Along those lines, why not vote for someone on the GOP ticket?

  • The problem with voting for “the bitch” is that while you might find it gratifying to upset the worst people in the country–those on the right who hate Hillary Clinton in the mistaken belief she’s an actual progressive–it doesn’t do the country much good, because she’s so polarizing that governing won’t be possible.

    My fondest wish is that the Bushes and Clintons somehow are banished to a small island somewhere off the map, along with all their retainers and, I dunno, 100 independent voters who have done horrible things in their lives. The two camps could battle each other in perpetuity, leaving the rest of us to get on with the business of the country rather than grappling with the endless psychodrama (“Bush rejects Daddy,” “Hillary finds Her Voice”) that they foist on us.

  • beans said: “Great reasoning there – vote for the “bitch” instead of “Mr. Nice Guy”. Along those lines, why not vote for someone on the GOP ticket?”

    Because the point is not to vote for personalites but for policies and the ability to implement them. Two elections in a row voters were accused of voting for Boy George II because “They’d rather have a beer with him”, and amusing conceit considering the man is an alcoholic whose wife would kill him if he went out drinking (remember, Laura’s already killed one man).

    Now we have three candidates whose positions on policies are awfully similar, but whose styles are very different. Now frankly I like Edwards still most, for while I’m far closer to the ‘richer’ one of the Two Americas ( © 2004, Edwards Campaign) then the ‘poorer’ one, my liberal heart tells me we really should only have one America.

    But between Clinton’s rhetoric, that she can get things done because she knows Washington, and Obama’s rhetoric that he can change the game, I know which I consider more arrogant and less likely to happen. After all BGII claimed he could change Washington too. It hasn’t been an improvement.

    So while I decry the use of the term “bitch” in refering to any woman other than Ann “the Bitch” Coulter, I have to accept Anne’s point.

  • Hell hath no fury when a woman is scorned or scared she will not attain her goal of first female president.. H. Clinton will eat her young to attain that goal. Is this the personality type we want for World PEACE? It sems this personality trait is cheneyesque.

  • Lance said: I’ve listened to what Hillary has to say and it is not a slam on Martin Luther King Jr. It just points out that Lyndon Johnson got the laws passed.

    Yeah, the laws Hillary was opposed to back then as a Goldwater Girl – it was her candidate who led the Republican opposition to the civil rights laws.

    If Hill and Billary want to keep this stuff up, maybe we ought to go after the fact that while people who were working with Martin Luther King to change things in America and stop a worthless war were getting killed and having our lives wrecked by the government, Hillary was supporting the guy who wanted to stop civil rights and expand the war, and Bill was off hiding in law school and bullshitting his draft board so he wouldn’t harm his “career opportunities.”

    And they were doing this while guys like Kerry were serving, and then leading the opposition to the war in which they had served, “career opportunities” be damned.

    It’s no wonder Hill and Billary have stayed together as they have. Birds of a feather do flock together.

  • How to make a politically correct statement? Anyone know?

    Facts are Hillary is a woman, Obama is Black, McCain and Thompson are old. Why is it that when someone (anyone) makes any comment about anything, some postulator screams to world – racism?

    Goodness, we have been walking on eggs for over 40 years. Preferential treatment, in jobs, in society, and in politics because if the reverse happens someone is going to start yelling discrimination of something and go for the big bucks in court. What will it take just listen to the words people say and not try to stuff things inbetween the words. When I say Obama is Black – well, duh! he is black. It reminds me of the “woman driver”. What do you think when you read that?

    Okay already, get off the podium folks, your words are what is instigating all this racial fire. Obama knew when he ran for office, there would be those people that will only see him as a black man. It is rather childish of him, and his wife, to get so heated and defensive over someones words (unless there is truth to them). This is not grade school. I believe most of us have advanced far enough along to see him first as man and wait to hear what he has to say.

    The same for Hillary. She is a woman and I am sure not one moment has gone buy that she didnt know she was a woman and the struggle would be hard won. Many see her as “just a woman”. I dont see her yelling “foul, woman hatred, prejudice” at the news for the way they rediculed her over tearing up.

    You have to earn the nomination by communicating what you can do not what color your skin is or what sex you are. At least I hope this is the case.

    Get a life folks. Look at what each candidate has voted for, changes they have made while holding public office, what they honestly feel they can bring to the table, and what specific, if any, changes they can accomplish if elected.

    For America’s sake – you “news people” – report the news, your opinions are slanted according to who writes your paycheck. So bugger off, and do what you are supposed to do – report the news without your petty digs, and sometimes really stupid opinions, here and there.

  • Re # 45: You’re blaming Hillary for working for Goldwater.
    You’re blaming Bill for dodging the draft.
    You’re blaming them both for civil rights marchers dying?

    And this has what exactly to do with Hillary pointing out that LBJ got the Voting Rights act passed?

    Not much of course. I applaud your use of Clintonian tactics. You have dug back 43 years to find grounds to accuse Hillary of inconsistencies.

    Brilliant Tom. Brilliant.

  • robert johnson is an odd guy for hill to be hangin with. a few years back he was working with bush to try and repeal the estate tax and privitize solical security.
    plus, he played the race card when he tried to do both.

  • For those of you who are “tired” of Obama, when Clinton is engaging in all the attacks; then Hillary made her point.

    She wants it to be immaterial who started this racial brouhaha. She knows, as some of you have demonstrated, that you will blame Obama for it, even if he attempts to stay above it. That’s because whites “blame” race on black people. Ostensibly, black people bring race into the room with their skins. This whole race thing is a vile construct, really.

    White Americans should try to grasp the breadth of racism in this country instead of relying on their fatigue with the issue. Imagine how tired people are that suffer from it.

    And to the commenter who thinks its immaterial that Hillary was a “Goldwater Girl”: She claims to have been fighting for the rights of others as part of her vast experience. It should count that she was fighting against the rights of black Americans during some of her experience. We don’t excuse Hitler Youth, in assessing that resume point; we shouldn’t ignore Goldwater Girls.

  • Hillary Clinton needs to find a cure for her deases that will cause her the election (Open mouth inset foot deases). Obama is not and will never be the voice of Black America, the majority of blacks are not in support of Obama. If he becomes the Democrated Presidential nominee it will because of White & Hispanic Americans and lets not forget the media who bust him up more then he deserves.

  • Clinton puts her foot in her mouth and blames Barack ?
    Unbelievable.

    Always the victim.

    Go away Bush-Clinton Years ! Go Away !

  • I’m going to go ahead and assume you’re hispanic, Maxine. That’s real nice if you’re going to vote for Obama. But please know that the majority of black people are in support of Obama, even if they vote for someone else.

  • I black and I am voting for Edwards. If he does not become the Democrate nominee I will vote Republican anything would be better than Hillary or Obama……

  • People, when are you going to realize that while it would be wonderful to have a person of color or a female in the oval office – you’re doing America a disservice by voting for either Obama or Clinton because it’s time. It’s much more important to get the RIGHT person in office, regardless of race, gender or religious beliefs. Who was it that said that ‘IT’S MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING THAN TO BE RIGHT?” This is why Fred Thompson gets my vote. He’s not a politician, he’s not driven by ambitions to be president, he’s been called to serve and he will do so with honor, integrity and depth – just look at his white papers (www.fred08.com). It’s even been suggested that Thompson is in talks with JC Watts (an African American) but I’d love to see Condi Rice!

  • Before this turns into a Barry Goldwater thread, folks might want to do a wee bit of research. First, try doing a Google on the phrase “Goldwater moment”—and then extrapolate what you find to Goldwater’s threat to aggressively support impeachment if Nixon didn’t resign.

    Then, do a little research on his abortion views. Oddly enough, he was on the record as saying “Government shouldn’t be involved. It’s a matter of personal choice.” When damned near every other individual in the country was arguing that it’s legalities should be determined, one way or the other, by the courts and the legislatures, this “Mr. Conservative” guy actually dared to come out and say that “it is a matter of personal choice.”

    Goldwater was a classic Libertarian right through—and I tend to wish excruciatingly-painful, fate-worse-than-death things upon Libertarians—but he also stood up to the Religious Right in his later years when a lot of Democrats tucked their timid little tails and cowered beneath their Congressional desks for fear of being targeted as “enemies of God.”

    Now, I’m no Goldwater fan—I wasn’t the only kid at school going joyfully berserk at the news of LBJ “whipping Barry’s butt”—but the guy did have some qualities that would probably make him a shoo-in for winning in November, when compared to the gaggle of monosyllabic misfits running for the GOPer nomination right now.

    Of course, he’d probably call for nuking every last one of them—their sycophantic minions, their “noxious network”, and their hideous little enablers included—back to the freaking knuckledraggers from which they were spawned. I’m not that anxious to see America incinerated….

    ***We now return you to your regularly-scheduled Hillary/Barack love-in, with an occasional interruptive snippet by a demented UnAware Fred groupie or two***

  • Fuk Hillary and her racist fuking ass.

    No Democrat should vote for her.

    I will vote for any Republican before I vote for that racist bitch.

    She is being run by Karl Rove.

    And any of you bloggers that don’t realize that, then you are as stupid as the Bush followers.

    The blogoshere is dead. Long live Karl FUKIN Clinton

  • ***Disclaimer: Comment #59 brought to you by the pedagogical results of a Ron Paul presidency….

  • I love the smell of unintentional irony in the morning.

    decrying an “-ism” while calling a woman a bitch?

    man, Ken, you crack me up.

  • Let me get this straight. I guess this all begs a few questions.

    Hillary made a comment about LBJ and MLK.
    – Obama said nothing except that the analogy was ill-advised.

    BET’s Johnson supports Hillary by highlighting the Clintons’ achievements and reminding the world of Obama’s juvenile delinquencies.
    – Obama said nothing.

    The vocal spheres of influence converge and declare a race war
    – WHY?

    Our attentions are turned from the essential components of each candidate’s campaign as you (Clinton and Obama fans) war with each other
    – WHY?

    Obama says, this is enough. Let’s focus on the important issues at hand
    – Clinton reponds with a memo saying let’s move on.

    For Clinton supporters, how is this all Obama’s fault?
    For Obama supporters, how grave was Hillary’s alleged mistake that you feel it is worth degrading the election process and making the U.S. a laughing stock for the rest of the world who we (as a country) feel mandated to “show the way”???????

  • I have live in Chicago for 65 yrs. and I have seen nothing that Obama has done for the inner city. Obama has fooled white people into thinking that he is best for this country. Non of you would neither employ nor intrust anything that you own to a person that you know nothing about, yet many in this country are considering turning over the country to someone that they know nothing about based on his ability to draw a crowd. Obama will probably push his wife into a senator seat, become rich and never withdraw our armed forces from the war.

    Obama’s condems Hillary’s health care plan, but does not even try to tell the benefits of his so call plan because it does not compare to Hillary’s plan. Hillary’s universal coverage will cover everyone even if they have a pre-existing condition, Obama’s so call plan will cause you to be cancelled if the insurance company determine that you had a pre-existing condition. Wake up people.

    LARRY

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