Tall tale about MLK becomes a problem for Romney

I don’t want to belabor the point, but to follow up on an earlier item, Mitt Romney seems to be a little stuck on a controversy of his own making.

To briefly recap, Romney has defended his position on civil rights, in multiple high-profile settings, by insisting that his father marched with Martin Luther King during his tenure as governor of Michigan in the 1960s. Pressed for specifics, the Romney campaign pointed to an event that occurred in Grosse Point, Mich.

The claim appears to be false — Romney’s father did not march with King. Unfortunately, the campaign has come up with an unpersuasive defense.

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has said he watched his father, the late Michigan Gov. George Romney, in a 1960s civil rights march in Michigan with Martin Luther King Jr.

On Wednesday, Romney’s campaign said his recollections of watching his father, an ardent civil rights supporter, march with King were meant to be figurative.

“He was speaking figuratively, not literally,” Eric Fehrnstrom, spokesman for the Romney campaign, said of the candidate.

C’mon, Romney campaign, you can do better than this. Romney told two national television audiences, “I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.” That was a “figurative” claim?

I wonder what might have happened to Al Gore seven years ago if, confronted with the manufactured controversy about “inventing the Internet,” he said, “I meant that figuratively.”

I appreciate the risks of making too much of this incident, but Romney has used his father’s MLK march as proof of his civil right bona fides. He made this a key part of his background, on an issue of major national importance. And it’s just not true.

What’s more, Romney didn’t need to go there. His parents really were advocates of civil rights, but like Rudy Giuliani, Romney decided it wasn’t enough to point to the record; he had to exaggerate it to make it appear more impressive.

Fundamentally, the whole incident is just so foolish. Romney made up a claim he didn’t need to lie about, and just as importantly, he used his father’s civil-rights record as a substitute for his own — as if George Romney’s support for the MLK agenda can be inherited.

And then, just to make the whole mess look truly ridiculous, his campaign comes up with, “He was speaking figuratively, not literally.” Dumb, dumb, dumb.

As my friend Anne put it:

People who can’t figure out that pretty much every claim they make will be fact-checked, and who don’t realize that things they say in front of microphones and cameras, and things they write for newspapers and magazines, are recorded for all time, should not be considered smart enough to hold the reins of power.

I suspect that’s exactly what happened: Romney assumed no one would check. He was wrong.

Perhaps the Mittens campaign would like to promote the idea that their candidate would make a good “figurative” president….

  • Romney is stupid. A simple apology with a joke about the tenacity and unreliability of childhood memories would have cleared it up. Now he just sounds like Rudy-lite.

  • This man’s capacity for mendacity is shocking and frightening. But, the leading lights of the media do not dislike him as much as they did Gore, whom they regarded as an insufferable know-it-all. Let’s face it. Our media is a anti-intellectual.

  • Well, he did see his father marching with at least one black man, I assume. Maybe his problem is really that he “really can’t tell them apart.”

  • His nickname ought to be “Waffler Mitty,” as in “The Secret Life of Waffler Mitty.”

    He has a rich and magical inner life, evidently. Could it be the magic underwear?

  • I know that whenever I talk about myself “figuratively” doing something, I always mention the date and location when/where I “figuratively” did it.

    Look, this is the difference between a 101st Fighting Keyboarder saying “I’m fighting with the troops” and saying “I fought with the troops in Anbar Province in June 2004.” One is figurative, one isn’t (though both are obviously ridiculous).

  • Giive him a break

    in 1968 he didn’t see something
    in 2007 he did see something

    It happens to all of us.

    As Jesus said in “Mitt 5: verse 27”

    Let he has no flip-flopped air the first negative ad

  • OK, even I, who generally prefers not to belittle another person, has to admit that this was stupid. No, not just stupid, but STOOPID 😉

    But what is worse, people will still vote for him. The guy lies about watching his father march with MLK and then tries to pass it off as a figurative statement…and still some people will pick him in the upcoming primaries and caucuses. Sheesh!

  • May the American voters ask the following question of Mitt Romney – as a mature young man in your twenties did you object to your leadership’s position in the Mormon organization which taught black people are cursed and fair skinned people are white and delightsome see Book of Mormon pre 1980 editions 2Nephi30v6 ?

  • “I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.” How in any conceivable way could that be a figurative statement? Either he saw him or he didn’t. And since there is no evidence that the event actually took place, than his statement is simply false. As to his intentionality, that’s something that only he knows. But his campaign’s defense is ludicrous. Who the hell’s running his campaign anyway who would allow that sort of lame-assed rebuttal?
    In addition, even if his statement was true (which it is not), what’s that got to do with anything? I once saw my Jewish father reading a bible. Does that mean that I’m a Christian? His claim of affinity with his father’s ideas and behavior is specious at best. And his statements smack of opportunism and false “righteousness by association.”

  • We know it’s a false statement, but for fun let’s say it was real. Did it ever occur to anyone to ask, “Gee, Mittens, if you witnessed your daddy marching with King, why didn’t you join him ?”

    My calculations puts Mitt at 21 during the alleged March.

    Now with the actual facts out, how about the same line of questions. “Mittens why didn’t you figuratively March with pops and MLK ??”

    I am really curious.

  • The fact that Mitt brought his father’s civil right’s record into the public has more to do with the fact that many suspect he may be racist because of his LDS faith. He denounces that speculation by raising his family’s history on civil right, because let’s be honest racism begins at home.

  • If Republican voters respect their party’s minimum qualifications to be president – no flip-floppers, no serial exaggerators, no social moderates, and nobody who has ever admitted to being in the same room as a tax increase – there’s nobody left to vote for. Might as well vote Dem this time!

  • It’s typical say-anything McRomney, but I think it’s wrong to go after him too hard on this.

    I recently re-read Norman Mailer’s book about the 1968 conventions, and there is no question that George Romney got hammered hard for his support for civil rights and his opposition to the war. He was basically vilified. I am sure Mitt suffered through all of that with his father.

    It’s a shame he learned nothing from it, and lacks all of the courage his father displayed during those very turbulent times.

  • I suspect that’s exactly what happened: Romney assumed no one would check. He was wrong.

    Apparently he didn’t learn his lesson from the Me Big Brave Hunter fiasco.

    None of the GOP candydates have a problem with sounding like bat-shit loonies. At times it seems there is some sort of contest on to tell the biggest whoppers and come up with the lamest excuse when called out.

  • To Tim Russert on MTP, as part of his response to a question about the LDS church not fully accepting blacks until the 70s, Romney said

    But you can see what I believed, and what my family believed by looking at our lives. My dad marched with Martin Luther King. My mom was a tireless crusader for civil rights.You may recall that my dad walked out of the Republican convention in 1964 in San Francisco in part because Barry Goldwater, in his speech, gave my dad the impression that he was someone who was going to be weak on civil rights, so my dad’s reputation, my mom’s reputation and my own has always been one of reaching out to people and not discriminating based on race or anything else.”

    I’m willing to believe that the Romneys in the 60s weren’t as racist as their church’s doctrine. But, in conventional usage when talking about the period, one says “marched for civil rights” if one means “participated in protest marches of the kind supporting the movement”, and “marched with Martin Luther King” only if one participated in one of the specific marches along with the man himself.

    I think the Romney boys may believe something about their father that didn’t quite happen the way they remember “seeing” it.

    Probably not the most heinous of his fictionalizations, but I’m wasn’t about to vote for him anyway.

  • A repost of the record posted by Jeff from the MLK trump card comments.
    ACT: In The Summer Of 1963, Governor Romney Participated In Martin Luther King Jr.’s “Freedom Marches” In Grosse Pointe, Michigan.

    In 1963, George Romney Gave The Keynote Address At The Conference That Sparked The Martin Luther King “Freedom Marches” In Detroit. “The establishment of these human relations groups came in the wake of several major events (besides the embarrassing racist practices of such suburbs as Dearborn), which took place in 1963 and helped galvanize interracial support and cooperation for integrated housing. The first event was the Metropolitan Conference on Open Occupancy held in Detroit in January 1963. The second event was the Martin Luther King ‘Freedom’ March in June of the same year, the spinoffs of which were several Detroit NAACP-sponsored interracial marches into Detroit suburbs to dramatize the need for black housing. … Governor George Romney gave the keynote speech at this conference, in which he pledged to use the power of the state to achieve housing equality in Michigan.” (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)

    Governor Romney Marched In July 1963 In An NAACP-Sponsored March Through Grosse Pointe. “The next couple of NAACP marches into the suburbs were more pleasant. Both Grosse Pointe and Royal Oak Township welcomed the interracial marchers. Close to 500 black and white marchers, including many Grosse Pointers, marched in ‘the Pointes’ that July. Governor George Romney made a surprise appearance in his shirt sleeves and joined the parade leaders.” (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)

    · Detroit Free Press: “With Gov. Romney a surprise arrival and marching in the front row, more than 500 Negroes and whites staged a peaceful antidiscrimination parade up Grosse Pointe’s Kercheval Avenue Saturday. … ‘the elimination of human inequalities and injustices is our urgent and critical domestic problem,’ the governor said. … [Detroit NAACP President Edward M.] Turner told reporters, ‘I think it is very significant that Governor Romney is here. We are very surprised.’ Romney said, ‘If they want me to lead the parade, I’ll be glad to.’” (”Romney Joins Protest March Of 500 In Grosse Pointe,” Detroit Free Press, 6/29/63)

    · In Their 1967 Book, Stephen Hess And David Broder Wrote That George Romney “Marched With Martin Luther King Through The Exclusive Grosse Point Suburb Of Detroit.” “He has marched with Martin Luther King through the exclusive Grosse Pointe suburb of Detroit and he is on record in support of full-coverage Federal open-housing legislation.” (Stephen Hess And David Broder, The Republican Establishment: The Present And Future Of The G.O.P., 1967, p. 107)

    FACT: As Governor Of Michigan, George Romney Fought For Civil Rights And Marched In Support Of Martin Luther King Jr.

    George Romney Was A Strong Proponent Of Civil Rights And Created Michigan’s First Civil Rights Commission. “The governor’s record was one of supporting civil rights. He helped create the state’s first civil rights commission and marched at the head of a protest parade in Detroit days after violence against civil rights marchers in Selma, Ala., in 1965.” (Todd Sprangler, “Romney Fields Questions On King,” Detroit Free Press, 12/20/07)

    In 1967, George Romney Was Praised At A National Civil Rights Rally For His Leadership. “Michigan Gov. George Romney walked into a Negro Civil Rights rally in the heart of Atlanta to the chants of ‘We Want Romney’ and to hear protests from Negroes about city schools. ‘They had invited me to come and I was interested in hearing things that would give me an insight into Atlanta,’ the Michigan Republican said. Led by Hosea Williams, a top aide to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the all-Negro rally broke into shouts and song when Romney arrived. ‘We’re tired of Lyndon Baines Johnson,’ Williams said from a pulpit in the Flipper Temple AME Church as Romney sat in a front row pew. ‘Johnson is sending black boys to Vietnam to die for a freedom that never existed,’ Williams said. Pointing to Romney, Williams brought the crowd of 200 to its feet when he said, ‘He may be the fella with a little backbone.’ Williams said Romney could be ‘the next President if he acts right.’ The potential GOP presidential nominee left the rally before it ended.” (”Romney Praised At Civil Rights Rally In Atlanta,” The Chicago Defender, 9/30/67)

    Photograph: “Dr. Martin Luther King speaking to graduate student Laura L. Leichliter (center) and Michigan’s First Lady Mrs. Lenore Romney in February 1965.” (Instructional Media Center Collection At Michigan State University Archives And Historical Collections)

    George Romney Fought Discrimination In Housing. “President Nixon tapped then Governor of Michigan, George Romney, for the post of Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. While serving as Governor, Secretary Romney had successfully campaigned for ratification of a state constitutional provision that prohibited discrimination in housing.” (U.S. Department Of Housing And Urban Development Official Web Site, http://www.hud.gov, Accessed 12/19/07)

    Photograph: “More than 100 angry white protesters balked at efforts by then-Housing Secretary George Romney, in car, to open their new neighborhoods to blacks.” (Gordon Trowbridge and Oralandar Brand-Williams, “A Policy Of Exclusion,” Detroit News, 1/14/02)

    FACT: In 1965, George Romney Led A March In Michigan To Protest Selma.

    In 1965, George Romney Led A Protest Parade Of Some 10,000 People In Detroit. “Rarely has public opinion reacted so spontaneously and with such fury. In Detroit, Mayor Jerome Cavanaugh and Michigan’s Governor George Romney led a protest parade of 10,000 people.” (”Civil Rights – The Central Point,” Time Magazine, http://www.time.com, 10/5/83)

    · The Days Of Martin Luther King, Jr.: “In Detroit, Governor George Romney and Mayor Jerome Cavanaugh called for a march to protest what had happened in Selma.” (Jim Bishop, The Days Of Martin Luther King, Jr., 1971, p. 385)

    FACT: Martin Luther King Jr. “Spoke Positively” About The Possible Presidential Candidacy Of George Romney.

    In His Pulitzer-Prize Winning Biography Of Dr. King, David Garrow Notes That King “Spoke Positively” About The Possible Presidential Candidacy Of George Romney. “King spoke positively about the possible candidacies of republicans George Romney, Charles Percy, and Nelson Rockefeller. He also stressed the need for greater Afro-American unity, including reaching out to segments of the black community that were not committed to nonviolence.” (David J. Garrow, Bearing the Cross: Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, 2006, p. 575)

    FACT: George Romney Attended King’s Funeral In 1968.

    George Romney Attended King’s Funeral In 1968. “Vice President Hubert Humphrey represented the White House. Senator and Mrs. Robert F. Kennedy; Mrs. John F. Kennedy; Governor and Mrs. Nelson Rockefeller of New York; the mayor of New York City, John V Lindsay; and Michigan’s governor, George Romney, were present.” (Octavia Vivian, Coretta: The Story of Coretta Scott King, 2006, p. 99)

    · George Romney Joined Other Prominent Americans In Attending King’s Funeral. “Inside was the greatest galaxy of prominent national figures there had ever been in Atlanta at one time: Robert Kennedy, George Romney, Mayor Carl Stokes of Cleveland, Nixon, Rockefeller, Harry Belafonte, and an endless array of others equally as famous. Coretta Scott King, sitting with her family front and center in front of the casket, looked lovely and courageous and dignified in a black mourning veil.” (Franklin Miller Garrett, Atlanta and Environs: A Chronicle of Its People and Events, 1987, p. 517)

    · After King’s Assassination, George Romney Declared An Official Period Of Mourning, Ordered All Flags To Be Flown At Half Staff And Said King’s Death Was “A Great National Tragedy.” “On April 4, 1968, Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated as he stood on a motel balcony in Memphis, Tenn., where he had gone to lead a civil rights march. The following day, Michigan Gov. George Romney declared an official period of mourning for King. The period extended through King’s funeral. Romney ordered all flags on public buildings to be flown at half staff and asked that the same be done on private buildings. Gov. Romney, in an official statement, said: “The assassination of Martin Luther King is a great national tragedy. At a time when we need aggressive nonviolent leadership to peacefully achieve equal rights, equal opportunities and equal responsibilities for all, his leadership will be grievously missed.” (”Rearview Mirror: Detroit Reacts To King’s Assassination,” The Detroit News, 4/4/07)

  • amcmaster…
    seriously.
    We know you crave Romneys sweet, greasy embrace and long to taste him.
    But this is getting embarassing.
    Why not link to any sort of “proof” you may have.
    Screaming: “FACT!” isn’t convincing.

  • links eh? Its called research, our thanks to Jeff
    ”Rearview Mirror: Detroit Reacts To King’s Assassination,” The Detroit News, 4/4/07)
    Franklin Miller Garrett, Atlanta and Environs: A Chronicle of Its People and Events, 1987, p. 517)
    Octavia Vivian, Coretta: The Story of Coretta Scott King, 2006, p. 99)
    (David J. Garrow, Bearing the Cross: Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, 2006, p. 575)
    Jim Bishop, The Days Of Martin Luther King, Jr., 1971, p. 385)
    (”Civil Rights – The Central Point,” Time Magazine, http://www.time.com, 10/5/83)

    (Gordon Trowbridge and Oralandar Brand-Williams, “A Policy Of Exclusion,” Detroit News, 1/14/02)
    (U.S. Department Of Housing And Urban Development Official Web Site, http://www.hud.gov, Accessed 12/19/07)
    (Instructional Media Center Collection At Michigan State University Archives And Historical Collections)
    (”Romney Praised At Civil Rights Rally In Atlanta,” The Chicago Defender, 9/30/67)
    (Todd Sprangler, “Romney Fields Questions On King,” Detroit Free Press, 12/20/07)
    (Stephen Hess And David Broder, The Republican Establishment: The Present And Future Of The G.O.P., 1967, p. 107)
    ”Romney Joins Protest March Of 500 In Grosse Pointe,” Detroit Free Press, 6/29/63)
    Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)

    (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)

    Lies eh?

  • “I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.”

    Declarative sentence:

    A declarative sentence simply states a fact or argument, without requiring either an answer or action from the reader. You punctuate your declarative sentences with a simple period.

    “I meant that figuratively.”

    Figuratively:

    2 a: expressing one thing in terms normally denoting another with which it may be regarded as analogous : metaphorical

    Maybe he didn’t watch enough Sesame Street with his kids. “Which one of these is not like the other”?

  • If this is all true, amcaster, then why is Romneys OWN CAMPAIGN giving out this
    Literatelly/Figuratively bullshit response?

  • #9, you are correct! Take a look at #17.
    #17, Mitt was just caught lying his ass off and you still refer to him as ‘an honorable man’, Don’t care much that he, in his mid 50’s, changed his WHOLE political and social philosophy, and now has been caught in an undeniable lie, and you still think he’s honorable? What does it take for you people to see these degenerate pricks for what they are? I hope someone didn’t give you a driver’s license. If they did: what state do you live in (so I never drive through that state) and inform me if you ever plan to drive through Arizona. I want dates and everything so I and everyone I know can stay the fuck off the roads.

  • Amcaster. No one is denying that he marched for civil rights of African Americans. Or wasn’t a decent and honorable man. He just didn’t march in the SAME EXACT MARCH AS KING. He marched in Gross Pointe 6 days AFTER MLK came to town. So, please, stop with the historyonics.

  • Quit making political hay out of a silly issue. It really is silly you know. If you dont like the man fine, just shut up and stop parroting this issue. I saw Romney’s dad marching with King, but it was in news articles (see above), current events, home videos etc. Gawd, you all are hacks. Tell the freakin truth, partisan or not. Romney seems very sincere that the Romney family disavowed Church ancient history regarding race.
    Its clear perpetuating gossip lives. People formulating opinions, then parroting here without doing the homework.
    enough!!!

  • Amcaster, I repeat: If this is all true, then why is Romneys OWN CAMPAIGN giving out this
    Literally/Figuratively bullshit response?”

  • They have their hands full. Staff wise, who knows, give it time for them to see the matter fully . Its a small issue in a big world. Intelligent people see through the smoke screen. They use the grey matter.

  • I hate McRomney, but amcmaster is right regarding the stands his father took on behalf of civil rights and other liberal causes in 1960s, including opposition to the war. As Norman Mailer wrote in real time, the guy was hammered as a traitor for it.

    For that reason, I think this scandal is minor, given all the other phoney baloney stuff we have to work with regarding this idiot.

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