‘Tearing apart the conservative movement’

On Tuesday, the president pushed back against conservative critics of his immigration bill, insisting that they “don’t want to do what’s right for America.” It seemed like the kind of comment the far-right base may not care for.

With that in mind, it didn’t come as too big a surprise to see Peggy Noonan, after years of generally standing in Bush’s corner, explain that he’s tearing their party to shreds.

The president has taken to suggesting that opponents of his immigration bill are unpatriotic — they “don’t want to do what’s right for America.” His ally Sen. Lindsey Graham has said, “We’re gonna tell the bigots to shut up.” On Fox last weekend he vowed to “push back.” Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff suggested opponents would prefer illegal immigrants be killed; Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said those who oppose the bill want “mass deportation.” Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson said those who oppose the bill are “anti-immigrant” and suggested they suffer from “rage” and “national chauvinism.”

Why would they speak so insultingly, with such hostility, of opponents who are concerned citizens? And often, though not exclusively, concerned conservatives?

Where on earth has Noonan been? She’s surprised that the president would insult concerned citizens? Bush would have the gall to impugn the motives of his political rivals?

Welcome to the club, Peggy, some of us have been here for a while. As Jonathan Chait asked sarcastically, “What happened to the thoughtful, fair-minded, unwaveringly logical president we once knew?”

Noonan’s bizarre incredulity notwithstanding, it was nevertheless striking to see just how disgusted the WSJ columnist is with the president.

This White House thinks its base is stupid and that its heart is in the wrong place.

For almost three years, arguably longer, conservative Bush supporters have felt like sufferers of battered wife syndrome. You don’t like endless gushing spending, the kind that assumes a high and unstoppable affluence will always exist, and the tax receipts will always flow in? Too bad! You don’t like expanding governmental authority and power? Too bad. You think the war was wrong or is wrong? Too bad. […]

Bush the younger came forward, presented himself as a conservative, garnered all the frustrated hopes of his party, turned them into victory, and not nine months later was handed a historical trauma that left his country rallied around him, lifting him, and his party bonded to him. He was disciplined and often daring, but in time he sundered the party that rallied to him, and broke his coalition into pieces. He threw away his inheritance. I do not understand such squandering.

And I don’t understand what took Noonan so long. Perhaps if she hadn’t been such a cheerleader for Bush before….

March 2003: “The American president has, meanwhile, demonstrated to the entire world that he is neither a bombastic naïf nor a reckless cowboy but, in fact, another kind of American stereotype: the steely-eyed rocket man. Don’t tread on him. It is good for the world that it see him as he is. As for leadership style, remember Jimmy Carter micromanaging the failed hostage rescue mission in 1980? This president was told Wednesday night we may have to move early to take advantage of potentially key targets that had presented themselves. Bush said, ‘Let’s go.’ It takes guts and judgment to trust others who know how to do their jobs.”

November 2004: “God bless our country. Hello, old friends. Let us savor. Let us get our heads around the size and scope of what happened Tuesday. George W. Bush, 43rd president of the United States, became the first incumbent president to increase his majority in both the Senate and the House and to increase his own vote (by over 3.5 million) since Franklin D. Roosevelt, political genius of the 20th century, in 1936. This is huge.”

It’s funny how quickly times change, isn’t it?

What Ms. Noonan forgets is that Dear Leader is beholden only to the Divine Right of Kings (and his Satanic corporate pay-masters), not some forlorn relic of American democracy.

Therefore, as I’ve said to assorted other goose-steppers and zipper-head anti-patriotic shills, GET YOUR ASS BACK IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE LOYAL BUSHIE BROWNSHIRTERS, MS. NOONAN.

  • I think Bush wants to set records for the lowest public approval by any president ever. He’s got 29% still supporting him and that is intolerable.

  • Hey Jessica – how any of those 29% still stick with the Commander Guy because they just hate the Democrats so much?

  • If conservatives hadn’t been so blind to Bush’s faults and blunders, so anxious worship the ground he walked on, so eager to support him 100% without question, and so ready to demonize anyone who disagreed with him, they wouldn’t be suffering to this extent now. To a large extent, they helped create the man who they finally have no choice but to face.

  • “[This White House thinks] its base is stupid and that its heart is in the wrong place.” At least this statement is accurate.

    Did Noonan really write: “[…]another kind of American stereotype: the steely-eyed rocket man” ? Wow, people who love W. really really love W. I’m recalling Michelle Bachman dry humping the POTUS at the SOTU. Does Pfizer put something in the Zoloft that moistens the nether-regions of the GOP-ettes?

    Not that they would have the first clue but I must quote MN native Robert Zimmerman to the Noonanites – “How does it feel to be on your own with no direction home?”

  • The steely-eyed rocket man is successfully launching is gang of idiot neocons right off the planet. We should be thankful. Maybe his torn-apart, splintered, myopic organization will be dust for years to come. Wouldn’t that be good. .. sweet dreams.

  • I think you are being way to hard on the Bush Cheney crowd.

    It seems very reasonable to that “Bush would have the gall to impugn the motives of his political rivals?”

    Don’t forget that Cheney shots his political friends with a shotgun and then expects them to apologize for getting in the way of the bullets!

  • Noonan’s piece is hilarious. Peggy comes to grips with that all the things liberals have been saying about Dubya for the last seven years are true. Peggy is shocked, just shocked that Dubya would call those who oppose his policies unpatriotic. Peggy reports that Dubya’s governing style “has, day by day for at least the past three years, been tearing apart the conservative movement.” Of course, Dubya had the same governing style through out his administration, but it apparently wasn’t a problem while his poll numbers were high.

    Lastly, Peggy writes, “Now conservatives and Republicans are going to have to win back their party.” I think I have bad news for Peggy – that train has left the station. She seems to be from the Ron Paul wing of the Republican Party and that wing has virtually no impact on or support within the party. All of the major Republican Presidential candidates embrace Dubya’s policies while trying to keep him at arm’s length. But after seven years of denial and delusion, why stop now?

  • You left out the best (worst) part:

    And I don’t understand what took Noonan so long. Perhaps if she hadn’t been such a cheerleader for Bush before….

    You left out my favorite:

    About a year ago I was visiting West Point, and I was talking to a big officer, a general or colonel. But he had the medals and ribbons and the stature, and he asked me what I thought of President Bush. I tried to explain what most impressed me about Mr. Bush, and I kept falling back on words like “courage” and “guts.” I wasn’t capturing the special quality Mr. Bush has of making a tough decision and then staying with it if he thinks it’s right and paying the price even when the price is high and–

    I stopped speaking for a moment. There was silence. And then the general said, “You mean he’s got two of ’em.” And I laughed and said yes, that’s exactly what I mean.

    Yikes.

  • The Whitehouse is right! It’s base IS stupid and it’s heart IS in the wrong place! The Base would not be the Base without slobbering sycophants like Peggy Noonan.

  • Steve M. wrote of his favorite Noonan quote: I wasn’t capturing the special quality Mr. Bush has of making a tough decision and then staying with it if he thinks it’s right and paying the price even when the price is high and–

    I stopped speaking for a moment. There was silence. And then the general said, “You mean he’s got two of ‘em.” And I laughed and said yes, that’s exactly what I mean.

    What the f*ck is with these women who have this slobbering, teen idol crush on Dubya? That’s just intolerable. Maybe Peggy found some other “man” to pine after and W doesn’t look so handsome anymore…

  • Conservative are beginning to realize that Bush is not a conservative.

    Republicans are beginning to realize that Bush is not a Republican.

    Bush is an incompetent Opportunist with little interest in governance. Money is the bottom line of this administration.

    And as God himself once told us, “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” 1 Timothy 6:10 (King James Version)

  • The sister wrote: “Maybe Peggy found some other “man” to pine after and W doesn’t look so handsome anymore…”

    Or she realized that she’s got to get in line behind Condi for Bush’s affection, and got jealous…

  • So all those years of “you’re either with me or you HATE AMERICA” are finally rubbing off on the republicans too. Bush’s approval has managed to (barely) stay above 30% because of how much the republicans still supported him. He’ll be less popular than Nixon at the end of the year.

  • Dubya and Cheney are the latest in a line of Republican leaders (Reagan, Gingrich, Delay and to a lesser extent Bob Dole) who have brought evil to the core of the Republican party. They have made the Republican governing philosophy to be that of demonizing opponents; fiscal irresponsibility; ignoring science; subtle (or not) racism; abject loyalty to the cause; using anecdotes, cherry-picked facts and lies as analysis to support policies; and benefiting big business, the rich and the connected to the detriment of the average person. Until conservatives start denouncing the current governing philosophy of the Republican party, I don’t believe them when they say that want change. To me, Dubya’s failure in the eyes of conservatives has not been his governing philosophy or his policies (which they actually continue to support), but that he has become unpopular while implementing them.

  • Actually Bush IS a Republican. He believes in corporations maintaining their power at all costs. That is the Republican way.

    As for 29% still supporting Bush, I wonder if they, like their leader, just don’t read.

  • I’m sure Peggy Noonan and all her outraged wingnut counterparts will support the next Republican ring leader, even when he calls every Democrat who opposes him “unpatriotic”.

    Peggy, you’re a twit. Bush played you like a fiddle, and I’ll bet you’re going to get played by the next conman too. Fred Thompson sure has a steely rocketman look to him, and he seems to have a pair, eh?

  • bluto wrote: “Otter (to Flounder): “You fucked up – you trusted us!””

    I think you’ve found what should be the title of any definitive history of the Bush administration!

  • Bush IS a republican. Bush IS a conservative. As Dennis_D says “Dubya’s failure in the eyes of conservatives has not been his governing philosophy or his policies (which they actually continue to support), but that he has become unpopular while implementing them.” This is just more of the continued effort by the right to now try and distance themselves from the failure of their own policies and philosophies (rehab their reputations), so that they can come back and start anew their efforts to further rip off most americans and america’s assets. They aren’t “coming around.” They are merely starting to set the table for the near future for additional deception and thievery.

  • To use a misunderstood phrase: Bush is their “tar baby.”

    Republicans and conservatives are stuck with Bush and his legacy of incompetence and stupidity for the next fifty years. So much for glomming onto the desire for absolute power.

  • Well sheesh, Noonan. This time Bush is right. The repubs are unpatriotic. It was when he was calling anti-war people unpatriotic that Nooner should have spoken up. She’s the perfect woman for hip hop’s favorite term of endearment.

  • “it’s aliiive!”

    it was the blind bush loyalists, unable to think for themselves, who created this monster. and now they’re expecting sympathy and understanding from those of us who’ve watched them march like zombies down the path to hell for six years.

    i’m sick of looking at and hearing from all of them, and i think it’s time we give em one final shove, retract their escape ladder, and lock the door.

    humility and the ability to reason — that’s what separates us from the animals.

  • “it was the blind bush loyalists, unable to think for themselves, who created this monster.”

    Who were the blind newt gingrich/tom delay, dick armey loyalists prior to being blind bush loyalists.

    who were the blind reagan loyalists prior to that.

    and we can see that they will now and in the future blindly follow anyone regardless of actual credentials and abilities (giuliani, thompson, mccain, romney).

    greedy, lazy, frightened fools, one and all.

  • slip kid, Bush’s alleged incompetence is just a dodge. Bush’s incompetence IS conservatism and republicanism. The Iraq war has highlighted or showcased it (Bush’s incompetence, and conservative/GOP philosophies and policies) for the american public to a level that the traditional republican deceptions, lies and misrepresentations cannot hide–the truth has now been exposed for the masses to see. The Iraq war has turned the republican brand to shite, but it has merely exposed the brand for what is has been for at least the last 30 years or so at least.

  • Sen. Lindsey Graham has said, “We’re gonna tell the bigots to shut up.” On Fox last weekend he vowed to “push back.” Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff suggested opponents would prefer illegal immigrants be killed; Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said those who oppose the bill want “mass deportation.” Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson said those who oppose the bill are “anti-immigrant” and suggested they suffer from “rage” and “national chauvinism.”

    Wow. Republicans, speaking the truth about the fever swamp they crawled out of! Maybe the sun will rise in the west tomorrow.

    One can only hope that, for once, Rush Limpdick is right. This and the news about the anti-Giuliani movement just fill my heart with sunshine and joy.

    Bad news for Republicans = good news for America.

  • Put me down with those who believe Junior’s faults are the faults of conservatives and the GOP. Krugman has repeatedly pointed this out and noted that what save Reagan from himself were the Dems in congress. Peggy et al are now cutting Junior loose because he has exposed their cohort for what it truly is.

  • nuglot 304, you’re a poet. That is the best, pithy description of the national horror that is the Bush Kleptocracy I’ve seen. More, More

  • I think it’s actually part of a more coordinated media pullback from Bush. They’re trying to sell him as a liberal to make way for the real conservative in 2008.

    Expect much, much more of this as they struggle to unify themselves behind the next neocon. Bush didn’t realize he’d never have a legacy because his own base will stab him in the back to to try to maintain the Executive.

    Oh, and if we’re letting Peggy into this club, I’m out. 🙂

  • Bush’s incompetence is that in his naked exercise of power he couldn’t “dress-up” deeply-flawed conservatism. Reagan used “the magic” of being likable to hide the savagery of conservatism. Paul Krugman is right to suggest that the “fig leaf” that was covering the true nature of conservatism has fallen.

  • “Reagan used “the magic” of being likable to hide the savagery of conservatism.”

    In some ways yes, but as someone else noted above, Reagan had a fairly intelligent and proactive Dem Congress to check him and conservative/GOP policies–that was probably the most important factor in “hiding the savagery of conservatism” as conservatism was simply not allowed to run its ugly course.

  • alas, i don’t think for a minute that little peggy is through fellating — let alone swallowing. she’s just looking for another cock. i’m betting it’ll be fred thompson’s.

  • Perhaps she finally drank too much Kool Aid. In fact, it sounds like she’s spit some up in her mouth…

  • mellowjohn – I think you said the same thing as me, just in a more, umm, “interesting” way?

  • I fear that the Republican party is going down in flames and that the end result may very well turn our country into a “fascist state”.
    We are half way there already and now these Bush supporters are realizing how little influence even they have if they dare to disagree with this administration. They mistakingly believed that Bush needed their support or that they were included in his administration. Now they are told to shut up if they disagree. They bring it on themselves by having done the same thing to others over the years and now seeing how little they matter if they disagree. But what is left is a fascist wing they helped bring about which threatens everyone.
    So now, what are you going to do about it Noonan? What you’ve done over the past 6yrs is equivalent to:
    “Shoot the apple off my head , Dick….come on, shoot the apple off my head” Good work Peggy.

  • Look mellowjohn and others…*******************
    I find it insulting, degrading, and the thoughts of scum to refer a woman’s views as having anything to do with looking for cock, or sucking, or swallowing. It’s degrading to women to equate anything they are saying with that kind of crap. I hope the moderator of this sight sees it and deletes it before more have to read it. It’s anger toward women. Please, think about what you are saying because it doesn’t relate and it demeans the site.

  • I have a semi-long rant riffing on sweet Peggy’s demure piece entitled “PN sees Bush Deranged” which exaggerates her ire:

    “Peggy is being too kind. GWB has the lack of depth and perspective a C-student at Yale who never cracked a book might be expected to have. Although his reasons for invading Iraq were not ironclad, we gave him the benefit of the doubt. But he devolved the peace after the war into the hands of a total arrogant incompetant named Rumsfeld, who grabbed the development of democracy from seasoned “professionals like Jay Garner and his team, and gave it to a loyalist hack named Bremer. And GWB was somnambulent as Ken Lay was at Enron, allowing “experts” like Cheney and Rumsfeld to overrule Shinseki and do a peace on the cheap. Of course, it was new wine into old wineskins and the seams broke.”

    “Peggy does a somber sum-up that reflects my own misgivings—especially about Poppy Bush and his singular insouciance about taxes and the economy that led to Perot. Then his son squandered trillions with a Republican Senate resembling Ali Baba and his forty thieves. GWB is now realizing that the Dems write the history books and is trying to salvage his reputation by serving as Teddy Kennedy’s tea-boy, the same Kennedy who in ‘65 promised that that Immigration Law would “not allow a million immigrants a year nor change the ethnic composition of the country.” both of which it eventually did. [ditto ‘86]”

    “Now REAL conservatives will have to latch onto a real Republican of the Reagan/Goldwater stripe—not transplanted Rockefeller Easterners affecting drawls and down-home cowboy charm. Like Fred Thompson or Romney. Peggy continues with a sad summary of the Bush Betrayal Family Tradition, both father and son wobbly and spineless…”

    But to keep the SCOTUS from turning us into a Eurabian dystopia, I’ll hold my nose and vote for Giuliani, as long as he has Fred or Mitt on the ticket.

  • bjobotts wrote: “I find it insulting, degrading, and the thoughts of scum to refer a woman’s views as having anything to do with looking for cock, or sucking, or swallowing. It’s degrading to women to equate anything they are saying with that kind of crap.”

    I agree that such comments are not a part of a good political discourse, but in (slight) defense of those making the comments, nobody would have made them in the first place if Peggy wasn’t making an embarrassment of herself by proudly discussing the President’s testicles. I find it stunningly degrading to women that a sycophant like Peggy Noonan is a top representative of the female political punditry, embodying what can only be considered the lowest and most degrading conservative stereotypes of the female gender.

  • bjobotts–
    it’s not anger toward women. it’s anger toward idiot women like peggy noonan, and idiot men like chris matthews, who slobber (or worse) all over politicians of any stripe.

  • bjobotts wrote: “I find it insulting, degrading, and the thoughts of scum to refer a woman’s views as having anything to do with looking for cock, or sucking, or swallowing. It’s degrading to women to equate anything they are saying with that kind of crap.”

    I think David Broder, Charles Krauthammer and George Will are in that camp, too, so I don’t equate it strictly with a womans’ view – more of a Beltway Punditocracy view. The bobble heads have been “fellating” BushCo in print, on the air and in video for so long, the term has nearly lost its edge as an insult.

    And I agree with the one forecast – she’s gonna land right in Thompsons’ lap when he calls it.

    -GFO

  • I agree with gg. Certain stereotypes are ugly and demeaning–not to mention, gratuitous to cite. But, in the case of Peggy “Cinderella” Noonan, the obsequiousness shoe fits. Like a “little sister” of a fraternity, Noonan will be “moving on” to Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney next.

  • gg wrote: I find it stunningly degrading to women that a sycophant like Peggy Noonan is a top representative of the female political punditry, embodying what can only be considered the lowest and most degrading conservative stereotypes of the female gender.

    Thank you for saying so eloquently what I was thinking.

    To add, bjobotts, I am a woman and while I don’t speak for all the women on this board, I was not the least bit offended by the remarks made by mellowjohn. I think they fit the situation perfectly.

  • I am reminded of the saying that you can’t cheat an honest man (oh, OK – person). Why is this? Because the key to cheating him (or her) is to make him (or her) think he (or she) is in on the con instead of a target.

    Oh my God, Bush and his minions are attacking and bullying their conservative critics, attacking their patriotism, calling them racists and bigots, telling them to just shut up, etc., ad infinitum? But … but … but he was only supposed to do that to liberals and Democrats!

    Savor that, Peggy. Or rather, suck it.

  • Men are not described in sexual terms as often as women. That is true on this site and most others. Misogyny is part of our culture.

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