Tennessee teachers stage fake gunman attack

Given news accounts of this incident in Murfreesboro, Tenn., it sounds like an awful incident that terrorized some young kids. But part of me can’t help but wonder how much worse it could have been.

Staff members of an elementary school staged a fictitious gun attack on students during a class trip, telling them it was not a drill as the children cried and hid under tables.

The mock attack Thursday night was intended as a learning experience and lasted five minutes during the weeklong trip to a state park, said Scales Elementary School Assistant Principal Don Bartch, who led the trip.

“We got together and discussed what we would have done in a real situation,” he said.

But parents of the sixth-grade students were outraged. “The children were in that room in the dark, begging for their lives, because they thought there was someone with a gun after them,” said Brandy Cole, whose son went on the trip.

Obviously, this is awful. Those kids must have been terrified — school staffers convinced the students that a gunman was on the loose, they were told to hide and stay quiet in the dark, and a disguised teacher even pulled on a locked door. At least one 11-year-old girl told the AP she literally thought she was going to die. Forget Brokeback Mountain, this is “intentional infliction of emotional distress.”

And while I wouldn’t for a moment make light of the situation, and I sincerely hope those responsible for this incident are disciplined, I think there’s an obvious snark here: would the right argue that those kids should have been armed?

OK, 11-year-olds are probably a little young for firearms, even for the NRA crowd. But anytime there’s an incident in which a large group of people are being terrorized by a gunman, the reflexive answer from some corners seems to be, “If more people were armed, this wouldn’t happen.”

And if students were armed, would the incident in Murfreesboro have happened?

Just for the sake of discussion, let’s put these specific kids aside and say we’re dealing with high-school kids. School officials wanted to hold an emergency “drill,” so they orchestrate a fake attack, after telling the young people that it isn’t a drill. The students, some of whom are 18 in this hypothetical scenario, are told they’re in actual danger from an armed madman, and officials arrange for a horrifying scenario that makes the students believe it.

I’m thinking back to the reaction several conservatives had after the Virginia Tech tragedy, wondering about armed students and young people who “should have” attacked their attacker.

You see where I’m going with this. I guess the moral of the story is, fake gunman attacks are bad. Fake gunman attacks around armed students could be worse.

After a while nobody believed Chicken Little when he said the sky is falling. Why would anyone at that school believe “This is not a drill” ever again.

Heads should roll for this.

  • Your hypothetical about this hypothetical situation seems a little too hypothetical.

  • “OK, 11-year-olds are probably a little young for firearms, even for the NRA crowd.”

    No, not really. Lots of programs for the little nippers to begin handling and training on firearms. Heck, I was a pretty good shot with a 22 long rifle by the time I was 7 (father was what could be called a responsible and level headed member of the NRA as well as a peace officer/chief)

  • JRS Jr,

    how about at a university? Why would it be so hypothetical, especially given the “college students should be armed” cry that went up recently? Doesn’t seem so far fetched to me.

  • Why can’t they just watch Brokeback Mountain like normal grade schoolers?

  • Isn’t that the RW ‘mericun way?

    Boobs and other body parts–traumatic.

    Terrorizing folks–life affirming lessons.

    To be blunt, I don’t know anyone who got PTSD from seeing sex, but I knew a few folks who witnessed or inflicted violence on others.

  • I learned to shoot at age 8 with an Army 45. I am a firm believer that anyone who wants to learn to use a weapon should be able to. I don’t go along with this everyone should be armed. That’s just stupid. People without self control will go for the gun even if they know others are armed.

    We call that crimes of passion. People act without thinking.

  • “People act without thinking.”

    Ain’t that the truth!

    And that should be the first principle that should be raised/accepted in almost any discussion on such topics.

  • Ha, they did the same thing to us in sixth grade camp. It was just a gag. First they told us a scary story, then they had a guy dressed up in a Jason mask run through the cabin with a knife. Fun stuff.

    Kids these days……

  • Isn’t this just another bad plan poorly executed? Was AG Gonzo behind this? I understand he thinks he’s helping “the children” now.

  • …and what might have happened if anyone not in on the plan HAD been armed? You’d have a door full of holes and a dead teacher behind it.

  • Since Capt. Kirk mentioned Goner

    OT breaking:

    Paul McNulty decides to GtFo.

    As for the fuckwits in Murfreesboro, I won’t bother to comment on the braniacs who came up with that idea, but I think today will provide an interesting litmus test of the media.

    In this corner we have Substitute Teacher Allegedly Shows Movie w/ Sex to Eigth Graders! In the other corner we have A Number of School Staff Members including the Assistant Principal Tell Sixth Graders a Gun Wielding Maniac is Running Amock!

    Sex! Violence! Which will the editors and executive producers choose?

  • OK, 11-year-olds are probably a little young for firearms — CB

    Nope. In our middle school, 6th grade was when the kids got their gun instruction as a part of the curriculum. Half of the first semester you learn to type, the other half you learn to use a sewing machine. The 2nd semester you learn how to handle your rifle. Just about everyone hunts here (rural south-western VA), so even though the school is a city (not county) school, gun instruction was the norm. And truth to tell, I was a bit upset when my son refused to participate (I had to provide a written request for him to be excused); I’m for strict gun control but, in an environment where guns are on the loose all the time, it’s best to have at least rudiments of knowledge.

  • I’m very worried about the impact on the kids from this, especially coming so soon after VA Tech. Everyone involved should be fired.

  • This isn’t much different than when I was a child in grammar school and we had to drill on hiding under a table or our desks in case Russian communists dropped the atom bomb on us. Not sure those desks would have provided any protection but those bomb shelters in the back yard, now those were cool.

    Of course this is a scary event, but how many of these kids did not know about the school shootings? Preparation may save lives, in the same way the fire drills can save lives. It does depend on how they are handled.

  • anon, too…are you serious? I hid under desks for ‘drills’ as a child, too. In 3rd grade. I knew that it was a drill. When I was about 15, on the other hand, the EBS goofed one Saturday morning and ran the wrong tape when it was time to do the test. It was the ‘This is not a test…’ tape, and I heard it live. I almost shit my pants, and believed it was the real thing.

    There is no excuse for placing children in a state of abject fear in the name of education. It’s irresponsible, and impedes learning to a degree that you must never have experienced, or you would be as horrified as I am by sadistic behavior like this.

  • bubba wrote: ““People act without thinking.” Ain’t that the truth! And that should be the first principle that should be raised/accepted in almost any discussion on such topics. ”

    Indeed. I have first hand experience with this – about a decade ago, I had an ex-roommate barge into my apartment and demand to be allowed to tell his story about why he had tried to steal my girlfriend away from me. He refused to leave, and although inevitably I called the police on him, I very nearly caved in his skull with a large chunk of metal, and was only kept from doing so by my current roommate.

    I was never a violent person before that, and never have been again. The lesson I’ve taken away from that, though, is that when faced with a crisis, especially one that descends unexpectedly, rational thought goes right out the window. If one’s public policy depends on untrained people making the correct decisions in life and death situations, it is dangerously doomed to failure.

  • There is no excuse for placing children in a state of abject fear in the name of education. It’s irresponsible, and impedes learning to a degree that you must never have experienced, or you would be as horrified as I am by sadistic behavior like this.
    Comment by iucaffiend — 5/14/2007 @ 9:41 pm

    So would you do away with fire drills, too? I remember being horrified when my granddaughter at age 5, came home to lecture me about “stop, drop and roll” as she had been taught by the visiting fireman at her kindergarten, not because of the lesson that she had learned but by the realization that she was now in an environment not totally controlled by her family, and that some of her innocence was going to disappear. But she was not in a state of “abject fear” because the lesson was well handled. Which is what I said. It does depend on how the lesson is taught.

    As for the situation in Tennessee, pretending that the attack was real was clearly not a good idea, and not notifying the parents beforehand and getting their permission was reprehensible.

    But if these events may happen, then we need a discussion about how to respond to them in a way that will safeguard children in the best way possible, and how to best communicate that lesson to the children. The children were probably fully capable of handling the lesson well, if it had been addressed to them in fashion designed to give them instruction on how best to respond, same as with telling them about “stop, drop, and roll” if they catch on fire. As usual, it was the adults who screwed up.

    Sorry my comparision of this event to being told as a child what to do if you are about to get nuked by an atomic bomb got you upset.

  • It is too moronic the “if everyone” or even “a majority” were armed idiocy.

    Think just a minute about that reality….

    1) I’m sure police arriveing where there is at LEAST one shooter, with very little confirmable facts, would be DE-lighted to see hundreds of students all with pisotls out, ready to shoot. My, my, that woudn’t lead to any confrontations eh?

    2) Chaos. Those kinds of things are pure chaos. Kid turns a corner, sees a kid with a gun, they both (out of self-defense thoughts) start to raise their guns at the same time, now more sure than ever “this is the shooter” they shoot each other. Both innocent.

    3) EVEN if they DO know who the shooter is, crossfire. You know, the thing police and armys drill over and over to avoid shooting their team?
    I’m sure THAT will work out just fine with immature young folk, scared to death….hell even police aren’t that great at targets when adrenaline is pumping. Yet these little soldiers are going to keep a cool head?

    It’s submoronic.

  • OK, 11-year-olds are probably a little young for firearms, even for the NRA crowd. But anytime there’s an incident in which a large group of people are being terrorized by a gunman, the reflexive answer from some corners seems to be, “If more people were armed, this wouldn’t happen.”’

    plenty of 11-year olds, and likely kids even younger, are handed guns to kill random animals every year, and this is considered “patriotic” and “real American activity” — hunting.

    the NRA actively encourages arming kids.

    the fake drill was an utterly stupid decision to make in the current climate, with kids that age. they should have known it would cause big trouble.

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