‘Tens of thousands of Americans had had their calls monitored in one way or the other’

Since USA Today broke word about a massive [tag]NSA[/tag] [tag]database[/tag] that catalogs most of the nation’s [tag]domestic[/tag] [tag]phone calls[/tag], one of the principal defenses for the program is that officials aren’t [tag]listen[/tag]ing to Americans’ conversations, just tracking who calls whom. The administration could [tag]eavesdrop[/tag], the [tag]Bush[/tag] gang argues, but it’s decided that it won’t.

Today, the New Yorker’s [tag]Seymour Hersh[/tag] adds some pertinent details to this. He spoke with two people who worked on the NSA call-tracking program who said, at least early on, the agency didn’t listen in on Americans calls, and felt no need to get a [tag]warrant[/tag] because “there’s no personal identifier involved, other than the metadata from a call being placed.”

That didn’t last.

“After you hit something, you have to figure out what to do with it,” the Administration intelligence official told me. The next step, theoretically, could have been to get a suspect’s name and go to the FISA court for a warrant to listen in. One problem, however, was the volume and the ambiguity of the data that had already been generated. (“There’s too many calls and not enough judges in the world,” the former senior intelligence official said.) The agency would also have had to reveal how far it had gone, and how many Americans were involved. And there was a risk that the court could shut down the program.

Instead, the N.S.A. began, in some cases, to eavesdrop on [tag]callers[/tag] (often using computers to listen for key words) or to investigate them using traditional police methods. A government consultant told me that tens of thousands of Americans had had their calls monitored in one way or the other. “In the old days, you needed probable cause to listen in,” the consultant explained. “But you could not listen in to generate probable cause. What they’re doing is a violation of the spirit of the law.” One C.I.A. officer told me that the Administration, by not approaching the [tag]FISA[/tag] [tag]court[/tag] early on, had made it much harder to go to the court later. (emphasis added)

Marc Rotenberg, the executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, told Hersh, “The N.S.A. had a lot of latitude under FISA to get the data it needed. I think the White House purposefully ignored the [tag]law[/tag], because the [tag]President[/tag] did not want to do the monitoring under FISA. There is a strong commitment inside the intelligence community to obey the law, and the community is getting dragged into the mud on this.”

Stay tuned.

The Bush Crime Family doesn’t give a damn what the intelligence community is committed to or how much mud that community must be dragged through. The only thing of importance to the BCF is their ability to compile evidence, for their own use, on who’s leaking to what remain of the press (for purposes of intimidation), and what sexual hanky-panky the elected Democrats may be up to (for purposes of this November’s elections).

  • Ed, you forgot the “biggie” part of their plan—to identify who’s bad-mouthing the administration, so they can compile this year’s list of “disenfranchised voters….”

  • So once again we see the problem with General Michael V. Hayden’s work. It produces so few solid hits that the Justice Department is afraid to take the ‘evidence’ to the FISA court and ask for a warrant, because warrants require a better than 1% success rate.

    And without a warrant, the program can’t be constitutional. The 4th amendment was written to constrain the powers of the executive (article II) that had been abused IN TIME OF WAR by the government of George III.

    Sadly, every lawyer who understood that has been fired from Boy George II’s government.

  • This is like peeling an onion … we just continue to see new layers of deception exposed. Hayden’s obviously a good rationalizer for setting up programs that skirt and evade the law. I’m sure having computers monitor calls means no one is listening in. There needs to be some oversight over what keywords are used, or to see if these keywords are in Arabic, Farsi or English. If they are using English key words I’d say the programs up to no good.

    I agree with Rotenberg that good, honest federal emplyees are pawns in this battle and their integrety is another casualty in this.

  • “But you could not listen in to generate probable cause.”

    Evidence collected by illegal means is not admissible in court. Right? That’s been the crux of every “Law And Order” show in history = prosecutors get the goods on a perp only to have it thrown out by a surly judge who points out some totally obvious flaw in their methods.

    It’s as commonly understood even by the numbed up masses as being “read your rights” and “taking the Fifth”.

    With this mess, even if the feds were to come up with something real, they couldn’t use it in court anyway. So what then? Midnight assassination teams taking out people the feds “know” are bad guys but can’t prove it because the evidence is irrevocably tainted?

    I tell you, these chuckleheads can’t think their way out of a paper bag. 🙁

  • “Midnight assassination teams taking out people the feds “know” are bad guys but can’t prove it because the evidence is irrevocably tainted?” – Curmudgeon

    Well, as I noted in the NASCAR thread, you can just lock them up as “enemy combatents” and deny them access to counsel or habis corpus. Jose Padilla, U.S. Citizen and enemy of the state.

    As you say, what is the point of collecting evidence if you refuse or simply can’t ever show it to anyone? What kind of country do the Bushites think we have to be to fight terrorism that they claim is aimed at destroying our freedoms?

  • Good point, Lance. The alleged bad guys might just disappear, no one knowing where or whither.

    Heck, if that started happening James Dobson would probably just declare that the Rapture has started and every knuckledragger in the country would stand up and shout, ‘Hallelujah!!”

    Bleh.

  • Uh oh, I’m going to have to tell my very right wing W lovin’ neighbor that he’s had his phone calls tapped by the NSA. I got called by a friend of our son who is in the middle east so I would guess I’ve been “tapped” and everyone I call gets “tapped”.

    Hehe, I guess there’s no point in trying to tell him that W shouldn’t be tappin’ his phone – I’ll just tell him the ATF is coming for his guns now that they know he’s a terrorist.

    Man, this NSA wire tappin’ is gonna hit a lot more people than just “tens of thousands”. It’s gonna hit millions.

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