Testing the limits of how far Giuliani will go

The last Republican candidate Sam Brownback would possibly consider endorsing is Rudy Giuliani. The Kansas senator made opposition to abortion rights the centerpiece of his unsuccessful presidential campaign. As recently as a few weeks ago, Brownback said during a debate that he would only support the GOP nominee if he’s “somebody that is pro-growth and pro-life.”

Which is exactly why this comes as quite a surprise.

Sam Brownback said he was reassured about the abortion position of Rudy Giuliani after meeting with the pro-abortion-rights former mayor for over an hour this afternoon. But the Kansas senator, who last Friday abandoned his White House bid, said he was not yet ready to offer his endorsement.

Standing just outside his Senate office suite next to Giuliani, Brownback, an ardent abortion opponent, said twice that he was “much more comfortable” with his former rival’s stance on what he called the issue “of life.”

“He’s talked about a number of key pieces of what a president would have, whether it’s funding, appointments on the court, I’m much more comfortable with that,” Brownback said.

Asked if he could support somebody who supports abortion rights, Brownback said, “I don’t know that he would … whether he’d describe himself as a pro-choice mayor or a pro-choice candidate.”

Yes, in private, Rudy Giuliani — the NARAL award-winning, Planned Parenthood-donating mayor who supports public funding of abortion — has apparently convinced Sam Brownback that he’s not actually pro-choice. This, just a few weeks after Giuliani surrogates started touting the idea that the former mayor really is “pro-life.”

It got me thinking: just how far is Giuliani willing to go?

The strategy in any presidential campaign isn’t rocket science — appeal to the party base during the primaries, move to the center during the general election. Don’t go too far during the first step, or it makes the second step exceedingly difficult.

And yet, Giuliani seems to have lost sight of his general election vision. In fact, I’m surprised more people haven’t challenged him on this. His stump speech has three central themes: 1) 9/11, 9/11, 9/11; 2) Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton; and 3) electability.

On that last point, Giuliani’s basic pitch is that he can compete “in all 50 states” because he’s a moderate Republican who’ll appeal to Dems and independents. After all, he’s pro-choice, progressive on gay rights, and supports gun control.

Except he doesn’t. Now, he’s pro-life, is open to a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, loves the NRA, endorses torture, and can’t wait to invade Iran.

So, how is it, exactly, that he’s going to appeal to all of those Dems and independents?

Did Rudy promise Sam the HHS Secretary gig?

  • this appears to confirm the suspicion that the talivangelicals were really positioning themselves to influence the v.p. choice. brownback’s move to rudy’s (and the presumed nominee) camp looks very much like that.

  • –appeal to the party base during the primaries, move to the center during the general election. Don’t go too far during the first step, or it makes the second step exceedingly difficult.

    Alternatively, a candidate could just state their positions and use their past record to support their positions. But that would require honesty, consistency, and integrity.

    Nevermind.

  • JKap, I’m with ya, but I do hae a little sympathy for the candidates. The reality is that “honesty, consistency, and integrity” – no matter how much people say that want those attributes – is a losing proposition. Until the general public is mature enough to “handle the truth,” there is little to gain, electorally, by telling the truth.

    Mondale was very honest at the 1984 Convention, noting that undoing Reagan’s first term debt while doing the things people wanted government to do would require raising taxes. For his honesty, the polls showed people turning against him in drives.

    Dukakis didn’t reinvent himself – he was a boring, moderate, academic technocratic wonk as Governor, and he ran as a boring, moderate, academic technocratic wonk in the Presidential. . . and got mopped by someone with so little intregity that he foisted Dubya on us.

    Over time, some of the most direct, least manufactured, least pandering, most consistent candidates — Babbitt, Tsongas, Udall, Simon on the D side; DuPont, Forbes, Kemp (note I am not saying I personally liked their positions, but they were pretty transparent and consistent) on the R side — are those who ended up as mere asterisks in the polls.

    In a democracy, at some macro level people get the government they deserve. When the people actually reward honesty, transparency and consistency, that is what they will get. Until then, they’ll get Dubya.

  • This is a trickier game than Rudy realizes. Run to the Right then back to the Center is the (if only) strategy for running in the primary and then the general. (The same can be said of dems running Left then Center.) The hard part is that, while a true pro lifer can downplay abortion as one issue among many for judges, that is not a option for Rudy. He will really have to sell pro life judges hard and the overturning of Roe to make up for his past “sins” as an abortion/choice supporter. The problem: most people want abortion to stay legal. Plus, were I running the dems, I would point out that Rudy wants to ban contraception in an effort to make him take a stand that either conflicts with the Right and thus makes them nervous or conflicts with the feelings of the majority of (voting) Americans.

    eric

  • I think everyone here is overestimating the basic knowledge of the voting public.
    I don’t have any numbers, but I suspect 90% of Americans don’t know where Rudy stands on abortion, gun control, and gay marriage.

    He can jump back and forth and until some major media outlets call him on it. They won’t. Hell, I can’t even keep track of where he sits on these issues which leads me to believe that this might be part of his strategy. “If no one knows where I sit on the issues, I can scream 9/11 all day long and they will love me for it”

    Does anyone really know what direction Rudy would go with appointing judges ??

  • “…just how far is Giuliani willing to go?”

    To Hell and back, returning with a copy of the pact he signed there with the Devil.

  • Rudy’s a corrupt, immoral and a phony scumbag. Clinton is going to take him apart piece by piece. Hillary’s laundry’s been aired for many years now. There are so many skeletons in Rudy’s closet that the public is yet to find out about. It’s not going to be pretty. When he is exposed for the piece of crap that he is, moderate republicans will either hold their noses and vote for Hillary or will just stay home.

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