The anti-McCain faction splits into factions

For the last couple of months, Republicans were divided between those who supported John McCain and those who didn’t. As McCain emerged as the likely nominee, both sides grew larger and louder.

But particularly after McCain’s victory in the Florida GOP primary, there seems to be another split, between McCain’s conservative critics who’ve decided it’s time to close ranks and get behind the eventual nominee, and McCain’s conservative critics whose hatred for him knows no bounds and who simply cannot tolerate him as Republican standard bearer.

Josh Marshall noted today, “As I told a Republican friend this morning, it is with some regret and chagrin that I am forced to recognize that the only serious opposition to McCain within Republican circles appears to be from people with active personality disorders.” I think that’s probably right, though it describes a surprisingly large contingent within the Republican Party.

The NYT’s David Kirkpatrick reported on McCain’s GOP detractors who’ve given up and come to terms with political realities.

Since his victory in the Florida primary, the growing possibility that Mr. McCain may carry the Republican banner in November is causing anguish to the right. Some, including James C. Dobson and Rush Limbaugh, say it is far too late for forgiveness.

But others, faced with the prospect of either a Democrat sitting in the White House or a Republican elected without them, are beginning to look at Mr. McCain’s record in a new light.

“He has moved in the right direction strongly and forcefully on taxes,” said Grover Norquist, an antitax organizer who had been the informal leader of conservatives against a McCain nomination, adding that he had been talking to Mr. McCain’s “tax guys” for more than a year.

Tony Perkins, a prominent Christian conservative who has often denounced Mr. McCain, is warming up to him, too. “I have no residual issue with John McCain,” Mr. Perkins said, adding that the senator needed “to better communicate” his convictions on social issues.

Richard Land, an official of the Southern Baptist Convention and a longtime critic of Mr. McCain, agreed, saying, “He is strongly pro-life.”

That’s one side. Then, there’s the “personality-disorder” wing.

“Conservatives need to act now, before it is too late!” Mark R. Levin, a movement veteran and talk-radio host, wrote on the Web site of National Review, urging a “rally for Romney.” The publication was host to an online debate on Wednesday on the question “A Republican future with McCain?”

A spokesman for Dr. Dobson, the influential evangelical Christian founder of Focus on the Family, said Wednesday that he stood by the position he staked out more than a year ago that as a matter of conscience he could never vote for Mr. McCain.

Nor has the small-government wing of the movement swung to Mr. McCain’s side. “I have yet to see McCain make any attempts to reach out to free market conservatives,” said Pat Toomey, president of the antitax group Club for Growth, warning that “if you have a big problem with a big part of your base, you really should be mending fences.”

And in his broadcast on Thursday, Mr. Limbaugh escalated his attacks on Mr. McCain as an imposter in the party. “McCain is in a lot of these places not actually the Republican candidate,” Mr. Limbaugh said. “He is the candidate of enough Republicans, but independents and moderates and probably even some liberals.”

From what we can tell, Tom DeLay and Rick Santorum also fit into the “kicking and screaming” camp.

How passionate is this group? Both Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin, with no apparent humor, said this week that they’re not even prepared to support McCain over Hillary Clinton.

Indeed, with this in mind, it’s also worth noting that these die-hard conservative McCain opponents are themselves split between those who think McCain is worse than Hillary, and those who don’t.

I don’t really have an over-arching point here, other than to note that conservatives can be very funny to watch at a distance.

So it looks like a lot of Republicans are in the same position as a lot of potential Democrats faced with the prospect of a Hillary nomination.

  • They’re even funnier to watch up close… when there’s bulletproof glass in the way.

    If we make it to November with the wingnuts still at each other’s throats and Democrats fired up like never before, we will see the end of the Republicans for a while.

  • Nor has the small-government wing of the movement swung to Mr. McCain’s side. “I have yet to see McCain make any attempts to reach out to free market conservatives,” said Pat Toomey, president of the antitax group Club for Growth…

    I’m surprised that the hearty free market conservatives could take time away from begging Congress and the Fed for a bailout to take time to rail against McCain.

  • I wrote the following sentiments this morning on a WaPo EJ Dionne article on the same subject.

    “I’m a Democrat so I’ve got no dog in this fight. My view is that of an “outsider”.

    Looking at the John McCain, I do not see a “liberal”. He’s anti-choice, wants to extend the war, refers to the Democratic Party as the “Democrat Party”, and is, to me, anyway, just as conservative as the rest of his party.

    His views on immigration are pragmatic and come from being a Senator from a border state. George Bush appears to have the same sentiments.

    If the conservative wing of the party consider his working with Democrats on issues a negative, well, that’s what we elect our congressmen to do. Work together to get the country’s business done.

    So, no, I don’t consider McCain to be particularly “liberal”.

    George Bush, elected twice with heavy support by the Religious Right, and considered “conservative enough”, has pushed our once-great country into ruin.
    I don’t see McCain, if elected, reversing the downward slide.

    Oh, and I’d love to ask conservatives, if we keep cutting taxes, how are we to pay for the endless war in Iraq and their other pet project, the border fence along the Mexican border to keep out those pesky brown people?
    2/1/2008 10:26:20 AM

    I think what I wrote fits both here and there!

  • conservatives can be very funny to watch at a distance.

    They’d be funnier if they hadn’t been running the country these past seven years.

  • It’s amazing that conservatism has so little actual philisophical base that McCain garners so many enemies just for not being nice to them.

    In the ‘pot calling kettle black’ file, is the conservative’s assertion that McCain thinks his policies are the correct policies just because he believes in them.

    Isn’t that the very definition of ‘conservative’?

  • Looks like it”s gone from the Anti-Roman front to the Judean People’s Front and the People’s Front of Judea…..

  • You have to realize that many of these “neo-conservatives” mentioned above are paid to make a lot of noise.. So they will do so until the final nail is in Mitt’s coffin. What amazes me is Mitt himself is a moderate with a moderate background, yet these “neo-cons” have fallen in love with him. Heck, McCain actually has a more conservative track record than Mitt! Yet the pin-heads are too stupid to figure it out.

    Once that occurs, you will see every one of these neo-con hacks get down on their knees and service the McCain campaign, since they will quickly realize he is their only hope to maintain some resemblance of their influence (and relevance).

  • One hope is that the main-stream Republicans may finally wake up to the realization of how much they and their party are now defined by screeching, apoplectic, and possibly psychotic pundits, commentators, and personalities. A hysterical person screaming “doom” from a soap box eventually gets tiresome and a maybe a little embarrassing. Perhaps we may be witnessing the beginning of the decline of the “personality-disorder” wing for a number of years.

    —Well, one can hope a little, can’t they?

  • One hope is that the main-stream Republicans may finally wake up to the realization of how much they and their party are now defined by screeching, apoplectic, and possibly psychotic pundits, commentators, and personalities

    They are!!! Hence McCain’s success!!!

  • Apparently I’m the only self-described conservative reading this, but I do have to say that McCain is not conservative in the sense his “world view”, though he does take a number of conservative positions. For example, he says he is more qualified to be president because he “didn’t manage for profit, he led for patriotism.” This relects a fundamental difference on the role of government that scares conservatives. He seems to be saying that what he has done in life is qualitatively better than what Mitt has done because Romney made money while doing it. That’s not very in line with the pro-market, anti-government mentality of most of us. More to the point, conservatives and liberals (and libertarians and whatever else) should be battling it out. There should be some gridlock so that only the best ideas come to the surface, whether the Civil Rights Act or execution of the Cold War. If ideas are so good that both sides can get behind them, government is working (although at a slow pace). If you take a decent idea and emasculate it with too much compromise (as McCain does), making it some piecemeal jumble to please everyone, government may be passing bills but it is failing. That’s what McCain doesn’t seem to get. Conservatives want him to fight, but they just want his fight to be principled and unwavering, not compromising to the point that his bills won’t be accepted by the American people. I know you guys are going to rip me for this, but the gridlock in Washington is not due to a lack of bipartisanship, it’s due to a lack of ideas.

  • I suspect these conservative McCain-haters would have found a reason to pre-diss any GOP nominee this year. They know they’re going to lose and lose big. When the Republican candidate goes down in flames, they’ll be distanced from him and thus be able to say: “We told you so. Now pick the guy we annoint in 2012 because we are the infallible gods of politics.”

  • The problem I see with McCain is that he is so craven in his desire to be President that he has sold himself lock,stock and barrel to what he thinks his party wants to hear. He once had credibility as a POW, but ever since selling out on whether or not our country defines torture, let alone condones or actually does torture, that is shot to hell. I have no respect for him. I’ve said it before, and I’ll bore you with it again, he would sell his kids to get into the White House.

  • Let’s not forget the typical response by a normal person when presented with the character that is Ann Coulter. I would not for a minute anticipate that Ms. Coulter’s brand of “campaigning for Hillary” would serve to improve Sen. Clinton’s standing with any constituency. As a consequence, the net effect of Coulter’s contributions would be favorable to Sen. McCain, alone.

  • JRS Jr said:
    They are!!! Hence McCain’s success!!!

    Awww, that’s cute. Republicans thinking they have hope for their crappy party. The Republicans were fucked up before they got fucked up.

  • ***Comment #1***So it looks like a lot of Republicans are in the same position as a lot of potential Democrats faced with the prospect of an “Obama” nomination. (Makes about as much sense). Always some body spouting from a page from the right wing attack book.

  • I wonder if it’s actually possible that Republicans (I mean ALL of them, not just the bleating pundits) have more antipathy for JMc than Democrats have for HRC.

    In some bizarro mental world of mine it almost seems like a matchup between the two of them would cancel each other out.

    Then I snap back into reality and realize that JMc will tan her hide because he will use the tested and true “flip flopper” rundown on Iraq and Hillary (as last night’s debate showed) will fold.

    And as for the Repug shock jocks of Malkin, Coulter, etc., while I take vicarious pleasure in their displeasure I don’t believe for one single second that they won’t end up carrying water for him this summer and fall anyway.

    Their listeners have short memories and extra-short synapses and whether it’s Hillary or Obama, you can always count on the Republicans to rally.

  • Thank god we will never have to worry about this man ever being president. It’s like another vote for Bush. They’ve got to be kidding with wanting to keep the same disaster(which they refuse to recognize) going. After robbing the countries treasury, destroying our reputation, and pushing the nation over a cliff, McCain expects to grow wings. the republican party is screwed for good reason…they screwed themselves for decades to come. It will takes us up to 50yrs to rid ourselves of the roaches that have infested the government thanks to this administration. Trying to convince us McCain is almost a democrat and truly a liberal at heart won’t make any difference…He’s still a republican and they have burned all their bridges using our tax dollars. Disaster capitalism has been outed and the real fight begun. Greed vs freedom.

  • I see the criticism as political posturing by Limbaugh and Dobson, et al.

    They bash McCain and maybe get him to come around to their way of thinking (appease them) and if they get any kind of concession, they’ll start to talk about how they’re warming up to McCain, they’re taking another look at him, they appreciate the efforts that he’s making.

    Then finally, they’ll endorse him and the mouth-breathing followers on the right will say, see, even Rush and Dobson like him – he’s my guy!

    Limbaugh and Dobson and their ilk are way too calculating to think that they just don’t like McCain. Whatever they say, I think they probably mean the opposite.

    -Homer

  • Maybe it is just me, but I don’t really see the difference between the two groups. On side realizes it is on the losing end of this stick, so it decides to play nice and still get a bit of a seat at the table. The other side declares this is one too many for their principles to bear. Both do so loudly and with little dignity. Why not point out that all of the ones speaking loudly on both sides of this argument are full of personality disorders?

  • What do ya mean, funny? Let me understand this cause, I don’t know maybe it’s me, I’m a little screwed up maybe, but I’m funny how? I mean, funny like I’m a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh… I’m here to frickin’ amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

  • Talk all you want Liberals and circle jerk each other, McCain will be you new President. Your plan to let the terrorists win in Iraq will be foiled. Your plan to disarm Americans and set up a governement which owns and regulates every aspect of our lives will fail. Your plan to stuff the supreme court with liberal justices who could seize our property with impunity – as in the Kelo case- will fail, and your plans to spread abortion factories like McDonalds branches will fail as well too.

    4000 brave soldiers died fighting terrorists.
    1.8 million americans killed by liberals thorugh abortion his year – the next barak obama likely one of them.

  • Army, aren’t you too busy fighting your hero’s war to comment?

    Yeah, that’s what I thought.

  • Awww, that’s cute. Republicans thinking they have hope for their crappy party. The Republicans were fucked up before they got fucked up.

    Dale, I’ll enjoy seeing you suck your thumb when your side loses yet another presidential election… now that will be cute!

  • Part of me – sometimes a large part of me – hopes that McCain will win in November despite his opposition, and that he’ll round up every one of those idiots the moment he’s in office and dump them in Guantanamo until they admit that waterboarding is torture.

    If things get nasty enough on the R-side, it could happen.

  • ***Steve Benen*** WTF? Sometimes an idiot troll will appear spputing such crap that they should be banned. Army…really Abortion factories like McDonalds.
    We deserve a break from this kind of crap and threat….talk about your right wing wingnut. WHOA. shoot puppy.

  • As I told a Republican friend this morning, it is with some regret and chagrin that I am forced to recognize that the only serious opposition to McCain within Republican circles appears to be from people with active personality disorders.” I think that’s probably right, though it describes a surprisingly large contingent within the Republican Party.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t the possession of a personality disorder the minimum requirement (before passing the IQ test low enough) to be a Republican???

  • McClintObama Amnesty Plan: 20 million illegal alien voters by 2010

    February 1, 2008

    by William Gheen
    Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC)
    http://www.alipac.us

    Have GOP Voters forgotten that just a few months ago, John McCain stood hand-in-hand with liberal icon Ted Kennedy pushing for the largest amnesty for illegal aliens in American history? While Rasmussen polling showed that Americans following the legislation very closely opposed it 3 to 1 (69% to 23%), McCain ignored the massive public outcry!

    The angry calls rolling into the Senate offices, including John McCain’s, were between 50 and 100 to 1 against McCain and Kennedy’s bill. We know this because we stood outside his door counting calls received by his staff and because other Senators told us the ratios they were receiving. History was made when the Capital phone system shut down, due to overload of calls from angry Americans.

    John McCain refused to listen to Americans and went so far as to call members of the Senate who refused to support the McKennedy Amnesty “Racists”! John McCain showed no regard for American voices and instead called those who disagreed with him petty names. Who was John McCain listening to? He was listening to the US Chamber of Commerce and the racist illegal alien support groups like La Raza (The Race) whom he openly coordinated the effort with.

    John McCain has illustrated in dramatic fashion that when he feels safe in his office, he couldn’t care less about what a majority of Americans think.

    Now, John McCain claims he is listening because he wants to be President in a few months. He says he will “Secure the Border First!” Even if you could trust John McCain, which you cannot, his border security pledge will be quickly reduced to irrelevance, if his desire for Amnesty for 20 million illegal aliens becomes a reality.

    Barrack Obama brags about how he worked with Senator McCain for “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” amnesty. If the GOP voters allow McCain to win the primary, they will be denying Americans any real choice against Amnesty in November. Unless an independent candidate enters the race, our choice will be between Clinton, Obama, or McCain all pushing for Amnesty from the White House, just like Bush!

    Some conservatives will hold their nose and vote for McCain out of fear of the Democrats, others will go third party. Many conservatives would not vote for McCain at gunpoint!

    The Republican Party will not be destroyed, if the McCain, Obama, Clinton Amnesty becomes a reality. Each party will race to replace American voices in their ranks, with the twenty million new voters who were recently illegal aliens. Does this surprise anyone who is knowledgeable about how American homes, jobs, tax dollars, limited health care resources, and finite seats in schools are being given to illegal aliens as well?

    Any border security promised by McCain will quickly fade into irrelevance beneath the political weight of America’s new race based voting block of legalized illegal aliens. What hope will Americans have for border security or immigration enforcement once this happens? The answer is clear… NONE!

    Seventy Seven percent of Americans oppose licenses for illegal aliens. Under the McClintObama plan, twenty million illegal aliens will be eligible for licenses within a few years.

    Over seventy percent of Americans oppose taxpayer benefits and welfare for illegal aliens. Under the McClintObama plan, twenty million illegal aliens will be turned into citizen voters and will be eligible for welfare and all taxpayer benefits.

    Over 80 percent of Americans oppose in-state tuition for illegal aliens. Under the McClintObama plan, twenty million legalized illegal aliens will qualify for in-state tuition.

    Under the McClintObama plan, employers will only have to worry about hiring the next twenty million illegal aliens flooding the country, in response to the Amnesty provided to the most recent wave.

    John McCain supports Amnesty. If you have any doubts, then ask yourself why his campaign has deployed open borders fanatic, Juan Hernandez to secure the Hispanic vote for McCain.

    Juan Hernandez is a dual citizen of Mexico and America. He used to work for Mexican President Vicente Fox by reaching out to and organizing illegal aliens from Mexico inside the US. Hernandez is known for his stance called, “Mexico First”. He is a regular on national television, where he flagrantly advocates amnesty and Open Borders with Mexico.

    Juan Hernandez is the face of the McCain’s campaign to Hispanic voters and he did a great job delivering the Hispanic vote in Florida to McCain!

    There are two main reasons McCain is winning the GOP Primary right now. One is the anti-illegal immigration vote is split up between Romney and Paul, who appear to be sincere in their “No Amnesty” pledges. The anti-illegal immigration vote is also splitting to Mike Huckabee, who truthfully supports Amnesty and a path to citizenship for illegal aliens, but is a very skillful liar. Huckabee is deceiving voters by mailing out endorsment cards from lone Minuteman Jim Gilchrist. The anti-illegal immigration vote is divided three ways, and the pro-amnesty vote is now collected around John McCain.

    The second reason McCain is winning is that many GOP voters don’t know his immigration stances, have forgotten his immigration stances, or have forgiven his immigration stances. They say, “He has changed” or “We have to stop Clinton and Obama”.

    John McCain has not changed or he would not have Juan Hernandez out promising Amnesty for illegal aliens. John McCain has not changed or he would not be saying, “Secure the Borders first”, without getting into the part where amnesty is then passed. John McCain has not changed because he recently stated on the national news that he would still vote for his amnesty bill or sign it into law as President!

    Do GOP voters really prefer to have one of their own pushing amnesty than a Democrat? I am a Republican, getting closer to independent every day, but I will say that at very least the Democrats are more honest about their pro-amnesty positions than McCain and Huckabee.

    What madness, lies, or misinformation would infect the mind of a GOP voter for them to support a man like John McCain, who works openly with ultra-liberal Democrats, almost changed parties to join the Democrats in 2001, and has the worst record on immigration of any of the GOP candidates?

    Why would anyone support a man who is so detached from reality that he told a booing crowd of Union workers that they would not pick lettuce for even $50 an hour!?!?!

    John McCain says he knows all about securing the border because he is from Arizona. Say what? Has anyone seen the conditions in Arizona lately, where they have declared a state of emergency and fought to pass strict state laws to enforce the immigration laws, which John McCain and his DC insiders refuse to enforce?

    There are good reasons why Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Laura Ingram, Hugh Hewitt, and Michelle Malkin are heavily criticizing John McCain. There are good reasons for Ronald Reagan’s son, Michael to condemn the McCain candidacy. There are good reasons why ALIPAC, NumbersUSA, and almost every other organization in America fighting against Amnesty and illegal immigration, while supporting Border Security, are screaming NO to McCain!

    The principles of this nation are at stake. The value of our votes is at stake. The survival of the United States, in its current form, is at stake.

    We must stop the McClintObama Amnesty Plan. We must stop twenty million illegal aliens from becoming voters by 2010. We must race against time to warn every GOP voter before Super Tuesday, because we must do all we can to stop John McCain.

    William Gheen is the national spokesman for ALIPAC (Americans for Legal Immigration Political Action Committee) found on the web at http://www.alipac.us ALIPAC is a collective of Americans of every race and walk of life that are unified in their support for Border Security and enforcement of America’s existing immigration laws. William Gheen is a veteran campaign consultant with over 15 years and 44 campaigns of experience. He has served GOP candidates in North Carolina since 2000, before founding ALIPAC on 9/11/2004.

    http://www.alipac.us/article2920.html

  • Whatever, does anyone really think the radical right isn’t going to back the republican nominee. Please, Reagan would not only roll over in his grave, he would get up and go set those clowns straight.

    Either way, I hope McCain is the nominee. He is probably the hardest to beat, but if we do get beat, he is the best they have IMO.

    I am shocked and amazed the the religious right is willing to back a Mormon candidate.
    No one adequately explained that one to me.

  • Where is our conservative leadership? Are we patiently waiting to see Mrs.Clinton to be our President or we still have some kind of little feeling towards Gov.Romney?,because Gov.Romney changed to prolife OR we already gave up to the drive-by media to the coronation of Sen.Mccain to be our nominee?It’s so sad to see the party of Reagan going along with the left and the socialists!Common,the conservative leaders of our wing should call Huckabee and say,not to kill our party by projecting himself as the real son of God to run on the religious principles to make this world Hell or Heaven?All the conservative leaders in the Feb 5th states to come out and proudly support Gov.Romney,the only one left with who is close to the principles of Reagan,viva GOP,viva USA, jt.

  • Gov.Romney is the only candidate who is close to Reagan’s conservatism.Yes that’s true.Gov.Romney is the man with family values,38 years of strong family life with one wife, five great kids,and 11 grant kids,who believes and respects Gov.Romney as their wonderful husband, father and grandfather.Mrs.Ann Romney,the wonderful down earth ,will be a wonderful first lady we all can be proud of her for ever.Gov.Romney, a buisnessman would be a great asset to this nations future and also for a global economy ,guarantee with more American jobs here at home.Gov.Romney will be continuing the honour of the white house we have now.Gov.Romney is a man of mature buisness back ground,a prooven family life,value the life of the unborn,a person who understands to work with people who disagree to his positions,a person ready to accept the change the nation need to restore its position in Global econmy.Gov.Romney,is a person with traditional values,life, respect,religion,faith, love to the countrymen,with action,ready to fix the broken Washington and a great person who honour our men and women who sacrifice their life to protect our rights to have a safe place to live and raise our kids and grantkids.Gov.Romney is the person to fix the broken laws of the nation to fix the broken boarders of our nation to fight and keep the radicals and illegals from entering to this land of freedom,opprtunity, and to keep the home of the brave,safe and sound!! , jt.

  • Do we have any kind of party principles to stand up for the conservative principles of Reagan? Or we don’t want to be a bad guy to tell this is what I believe,this is the person I support!.Tis is so pathetic to see,the liberals,the socialists,the communists,all looking at the GOP and saying,”this is the time to demoralise them,this is the chance for us to keep the stausco in the Supreme Court,this is the time to show the world we are ready to get the shots in the back”.Where is our Newt,CPAC,being the Elephant Symbol of our party doesn’t make our party great or fine looking!! jt

  • McCain:

    Strong on foreign policy as an interventionist.
    Little experience with economic or domestic issues

    Americans:

    Want out of Iraq.
    Extremely concerned about economy.

    My conclusion: McCain is not a strong candidate for the current political climate.

  • John McCain just might be a bigger fraud than George W. Bush. As a Vietnam veteran who was shot down twice (1968-69), I’m sick of McCain riding this POW horse to death. Article III of the United States Military Code of Conduct states: “If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.”

    If McCain was persistent in trying to escape, and trying to aid others in doing so, let him prove it. Getting shot down is one thing, allowing yourself to be captured, and then just laying there for years and years is quite another. He has cowered likewise in the Senate. He skipped a Senate vote on whether to make 20 million seniors and 250,000 disabled veterans eligible for rebate checks as part of a proposed economic stimulus package. He has missed all eight Senate roll call votes so far this year. I don’t care how he would have voted, but I do care that he didn’t have the courage to vote one way or the other.

    Does McCain put his country or party first? Here, I’ll let him tell you.

    “I do hope that at some point we would just calm down a little bit and see if there are areas that we can agree on for the good of the party and for the good of the country.” -John McCain 02/07/08

    All the people in my party, the Republican Party, can talk about is beating Hillary Clinton. Had we not beat Al Gore or even John Kerry, it would have been impossible to have done worse than we did. I’ve got news for you Clinton haters, there’s no doubt that she can spell words that the imbecile in the White House can’t pronounce. More bad news, there’s a guy out there named Barack Obama with more vision and direction in his little finger than McCain has in his whole body, and I’m not the only American who has noticed this North Star.

    Bob Miller Writes

  • The only way to waste your vote is to cast a vote for a Republican or Democratic Party candidate for president in a decidedly red or blue state.

    Your vote will not change the outcome when electoral votes are tallied up.

    http://www.electoral-vote.com/

    You wont strengthen the voice of issues, causes and concerns you are most interested in because the third party and Independent candidates that do represent your concerns were denied your vote that would have given them a larger voice to express your concerns with.

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