The candidate characteristic that’s lingering just below the surface

When it comes to personal characteristics and diversity, the 2008 presidential race has covered a lot of ground. Are Americans prepared to embrace an African-American candidate (Obama)? A woman (Clinton)? A Mormon (Romney)? A Latino (Richardson)? A thrice-married serial adulterer (Giuliani)?

But the one question that no one seems anxious to talk about is the fact that John McCain, at age 72, would be the oldest person ever elected president. There’s apparently some public discomfort over this, but it’s ground that few are prepared to tread.

In his big foreign policy speech yesterday in Los Angeles, McCain began his remarks with a personal anecdote:

“When I was five years old, a car pulled up in front of our house in New London, Connecticut, and a Navy officer rolled down the window, and shouted at my father that the Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor. My father immediately left for the submarine base where he was stationed. I rarely saw him again for four years.”

Now, I suspect the story was intended to remind the audience about the proud military history in McCain’s family, but there were probably more than a few people who heard the anecdote and thought, “Wait, McCain was already five in 1941?”

I mention this in part because the new NBC/WSJ poll (pdf) asked respondents if they think Americans are prepared to elected an otherwise qualified candidate, who happens to be have certain characteristics. 72% of Americans, for example, said the country is prepared to elect an African-American president, and 71% said we’re also ready for a woman president.

But when asked about a candidate over the age of 70, the number dropped to 61%.

This isn’t a new problem, which is all the more reason it’s surprising this is barely a blip on the political world’s radar.

I half-expected the age issue to be a bigger deal. Way back in February 2007, an WaPo/ABC poll asked Americans: “I’m going to read a few attributes that might be found in a candidate for president. Please tell me if each would make you more likely to vote for that candidate for president, or less likely to vote for that candidate, or if it wouldn’t matter.” When the attributes mentioned race, gender, religion, and marital status, poll respondents generally didn’t care at all. When the poll mentioned a 72-year-old candidate, 58% said they would be “less likely” to vote for such a candidate — more than the totals for a woman, African American, and/or Mormon combined.

Around the same time, a USAT/Gallup showed that 42% of voters said they wouldn’t support an otherwise qualified 72-year-old candidate.

But that was well over a year ago, before the race began in earnest. Have the numbers changed? Not much.

A CBS/NYT poll last month asked American what the best age is for a president. A majority (55%) preferred someone in their 50s, while a president in his or her 40s was second (with 26%). How many preferred someone in their 70s? Less than one percent.

Earlier this month, the WaPo polled on this again, and found that Americans still aren’t on board with electing the oldest president in history. Poll respondents were told that Hillary Clinton would be the first female president. 20% said that makes them more enthusiastic about her candidacy, while 11% said less. They were told that Barack Obama would be the first African-American president. 16% said that makes them more enthusiastic about his candidacy, while 11% said less. And when told about McCain’s age, 4% said that makes them more enthusiastic about his candidacy, while 27% said less.

Here’s the catch: Americans may not like the idea of a 72-year-old candidate, but no one has any idea how to take advantage of this. What are Dems supposed to do, tell elderly jokes? That’s clearly not going to happen.

Voters may not be comfortable with McCain’s age, but figuring out what to do about this may be one of the more complicated questions facing Dems in the general election.

It definitely makes McCain’s choice of a running mate a bigger deal than it would be otherwise.

  • Hey, here’s an idea….don’t. Seriously, we have all seen how yucky it was when the Clinton campaign engaged in racial tactics. So why should it be OK to engage in agist tactics?

  • I’m not sure the concept of “age-ist” tactics as some sort of equivalent of sexist or racist tactics really make sense. There’s no history of systematic oppression of old people, and, should we all be lucky enough, we all will be old at some point in time in the future. However, no matter how long I live, I’m not gonna be a woman, and no matter how much suburban white teenagers wish it were so, they aren’t going to be black anytime soon.

    Making age-related jokes or criticisms, as such, seems entirely different to me than sex- or race-related issues.

    So, as Americans, we have to ask ourself if we’re really ready to elect John McCain President knowing full well that means the White House will be filled with furniture covered in plastic?

  • When Reagan faced the same problem, he said, “I want you to know that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent’s youth and inexperience.”

    Everyone had a little laugh, and the corporate media decided that Reagan had “answered the question”, and he got elected. Contra #2 above, we should have been concerned at the the time. That quip did not constitute a reasonable answer.

    McCain is surely ready to say something similar, so his opponents need to be ready to cry out immediately that he hasn’t settled the concern. Hopefully, someone has a response ad already in the works for when the subject comes up. Perhaps a series of clips of McCain contradicting McCain along the lines of http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/468-the-real-mccain , plus some ‘Al Qaida & Iran’ clips, and his campaign’s retraction and de-retraction, followed by the caption, “Does he even know what he’s saying any more?”

  • Obama was using this line for awhile but has since dropped it:

    “Listen, I respect John McCain for his half-century of service to this country.”

    I thought it was pretty good myself.

  • TR: some of those lines are gold. “John McCain looks like guy at the supermarket who’s confused by the automatic doors.” ROFL

  • Clever of McCain to tell people he was a child during World War II. This will change perceptions as to how old he is. Many people are expecting to see him as a child while watching John Adams on HBO.

  • We don’t make an issue out of it. It’s already out there for us. And it isn’t as if he doesn’t look every minute of his age…

    I wonder if a public discussion about whether Reagan had Alzheimers while he was in the WH is appropriate right about now though…it wouldn’t directly be about McCain.

  • Is America ready for a President who drives 10 mph below the speed limit, in the left lane?

  • I forgot to mention that I’d like to know more about McCain’s drinking. I read a few oblique references to it and a couple of not-so-oblique ones.

  • I don’t think McCain’s age should be used against him, and I don’t think we need to go there at all. The guy has had dangerous positions since he was young, and he’s been a morally repugnant person since forever. Exhibit A is the fact that he left his wife for a rich girl 17 years younger than she was (when he was in his mid 40’s). He was a hell-raising lunatic in the military, and barely scraped by even though his dad was an admiral. He’s gotten by all this time because he was a POW, which we all know took courage, but courage alone does not make you a good person.

    I think the videos of him flip flopping all over the place might make a lot of people very uneasy, and the episodes of him “slipping up” about Shiite Iran supporting Sunni terrorists could make a lot of people think he’s losing his marbles a bit, but IMHO he was deliberately conflating the two enemies just like the much younger Bush did, and that should be the line of attack.

    He’s like an older, crankier George W Bush. Run one of those special aging software programs on Bush and I’ll bet he turns into John McCain.

  • I’m 70 years old and definitely think our next president would be to old at 71. He comes from another age; let him spend his golden years writing his memoirs.

  • That quip did not constitute a reasonable answer.

    Yep, and given Reagan’s later failings in memory and attentiveness, I think the press may realize it’s an issue these days.

    I don’t want this campaign to turn into an ageist one — practically, it would insult our own senior voters — but it’ll be out there and the Dems don’t have to touch it. The simple contrast between Obama and McCain will be obvious to anyone watching.

  • In a close race, this takes care of itself. Put John McCain and Barack Obama side by side and the contrast in vitality, physical and mental, is stark. (Substitute Hillary Clinton for Barack Obama and the effect is the same, but I do not expect her to be the Democratic candidate.) If something happens to catapult Senator McCain into a significant lead in the polls (maybe Senator Clinton is successful at driving Senator Obama’s negatives through the roof), the Republicans will hide him as much as possible: limited debates with many constricting rules and appearances only in front of hand picked audiences. If he has to come out and fight (numerous debates, appearing before large, heterogeneous audiences), he will not come off well. For those not of the I-vote-for-[PREFERRED PARTY HERE]-no-matter-what ilk, this will matter.

  • For McCain, it’s not a question of moral fiber, it’s a question of whether he gets enough fiber in his diet. Talk about getting cranky.

  • Bill Clinton did not need to do anything in particular against Bob Dole. Once you get to the head-to-head race and joint debate appearances, it takes care of itself.

    Moreover – and this is particularly true of conservatives who yearn for the 1950s anyway – the “prior generation” candidates have a way of bringing it up themselves in ways that are to their own detriment. Reagan had strong enough political skills that he could get away with it; Dole did not. McCain is much more like Dole than Reagan.

    The best way to use the issue is with extreme subtlety. Be energetic and campaign harder than McCain can – make the point by example. Talk about a “new path,” a “new day,” a “new direction,” about the need to move on, the need for vibrant leadership to address modern challenges, and looking to the future.

    Whether it is Obama or Clinton, it still is CLinton v Dole all over again. The result will also be the same.

  • I don’t think age is – or should be – the issue. I think it’s possible for someone in McCain’s age group to stay current and sharp.

    That said, his recent “mis-statements” about Iraq have made me wonder if either he’s a lying sack of crap (Trademark Stephanie Miller) or he’s losing it.

    His age per se doesn’t much bother me. His ability to to master the facts does.

    For the record, that image of McCain hugging Bush in 2004 is burned into my brain. I’ll never be able to shake it – or, for that matter, the sense that McCain is a man willing to sell out his convictions if it’ll buy him what he wants.

  • Reagan: old and jolly. Winner.

    Dole: old and cranky. Loser.

    McCain: old and (in public, at least) jolly.

    Humor is how he’s always managed to beat this.

  • Given that Reagan was probably already in early-onset Alzheimers when he ran in 1980 and had to spend 3 hours a day napping to get through the day (which could also be taken as how much less important a President is than we think) and that he had aides who waited with a couple of “hot” items until he woke up, age should have been an issue. His age had an effect on his negotiations with Gorbachev, like the Iceland screw-up in 1986.

    As someone younger than McCain but older than Hillary, with a sufficiency of self-awareness to have some clue what’s what about me, I can say I’m not the guy I was five years ago. Not running for office, that’s not a big deal for me, but I do know I don’t concentrate as often and as long as I used to be capable of, just when I look at my current writing schedule. I doubt I could win the bet I won 20 years ago with Roger Corman, that I could write a shootable 95-page screenplay in 96 hours.or less. The inability to concentrate as long as I used to is a function of physcical stamina. I exercise, and the doctor recently told me my vitals are that of someone 10 years younger than my age. But it’s a function of age that I can’t do that stuff like I used to.

    Myself, I want someone with the ability to do the 95-page screenplay in 96 hours, with all the mental ability, imagination, creativity, and stamina that involves, on the day the country needs it, god hope we don’t.

    It is an issue to consider.

  • But the one question that no one seems anxious to talk about…

    I’m with TR, above. Don’t you watch late night shows? They can’t talk about McCain without mentioning his age. And since comedy talk shows are the most credible source of political insight these days…

  • Michael (#6),

    I respectfully disagree. Age is listed as one of the protected categories along with race, sexual orientation, religion, disability, etc in employment, finance and other areas. It is included for a reason. To protect people from the historical pattern of discrimination based on their age.

    We need to tread very lightly on this. Sure, we all know that age is a factor because the POTUS must be alert and vital to do the job, but if we push the “oldster” card it will not be good. Besides the general lack of respect such a tactic would show, it very likely would alienate many older voters whom the Democrats will need to win the election.

  • I don’t think it insults older people to ask about implications of old age for someone who wants to be President of the United States.

    Sometimes our Party’s notion of Political Correctness just goes too far. It’s like saying that it’s unfair to expect a quarterback to be a good athlete, that we ought to rotate the job among all kinds of physiques … to be fair. Or opening up professorships to morons or surgical slots to the blind. It’s not being fair; it’s being stupid. Incidentally, I’m a legally blind geezer.

  • Since I am older than dirt, I get to comment on age.
    If you are a “maverick” like McCain, you are somehow admirable – ?
    But if you are a 72 year old “maverick”, doesn’t that make you a curmudgeon?

    Maverick = tough and admirable
    Curmudgeon = old and disagreeable

    Uh-oh.

  • the age issue hurt bob dole and it will DEFINITELY hurt mccain.

    just wait until he has to read a URL from the teleprompter.

  • Knife to a gun fight.

    If the Dem were 72, with a history of melanoma, we’d have had Republican surrogages round the clock on cable, MTP etc. not-so-subtly hinting that electing this person was a real crapshoot; pointing out that Tsongas essentially lied in 1992 about the seriousness of his condition, etc., etc.

    If Dems played by Rep rules, there would be a viral email to the effect that McCain is seriously ill, etc., etc.

    It is reprehensible, but this seems to be the only way to counter the crap that spews 24/7 about Wright, et al.

  • Here’s the catch: Americans may not like the idea of a 72-year-old candidate, but no one has any idea how to take advantage of this. What are Dems supposed to do, tell elderly jokes? That’s clearly not going to happen.

    If they did, there would be an uproar on the conservative side accusing McCain’s opponent(s), rightfully, of hate speech, along with being able to show a complete disregard by the Democrats for the “liberal” mantra of “diversity”.

    “Liberals” made this mess of political correctness. So far, the only ones who have violated it are other “liberals” (Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Ed Rendell, Geraldine Ferraro). Live with it.

  • I completely agree with Tom Cleaver @#25. Just looking back at my activities at an earlier age makes me realize very clearly how I am not 45 anymore. And of particular importance is the point that’s only been touched on by #1, the person McCain picks as a running mate. The probability that McCain could have a stroke, heart attack, or other fun thingy of the elderly should make us ask if we want Huckabee, Crisp or Rice (three names floated so far) as presidents.

  • Interestingly enough, NBC news last night didn’t mention that (age) part of the NBC/WSJ poll. Timmeh just mentioned the head to head matchups.
    Brain Williams introduced McCain’s speech, as “former POW John McCain”, so it’s pretty obvious what approach NBC,Inc. is going to use to sell McCain
    .
    The night before, BW started off by stating that we’re going to get an NBC analysis of the 3 candidate’s economic plans. Then we get a 15 second sound bite of McCain saying he’s against a sub-prime bailout. Period. That’s all. No further comment.
    Then, a little later on we get the face-lifted,(it ain’t holding), Andrea Mitchell, giving a rundown of Obama’s and Clinton’s economic plans. She ends the “analysis” by stating that a big criticism of both is that neither have a long term plan to get us out of this economic mess; you know, the one that her hubby, Alan Greenspan was one of the architects of.!
    Obviously, NBC,Inc and all it’s multi-millionaire minions are attracted to the 25% max tax rate McCain is promising for them.
    Time to just turn off the TV.

  • Age in and of itself is not an issue. There are plenty of folks much older than you’d believe still successfully running businesses or in leadership roles and still sharp as a tack (Helen Thomas is 87.) The question is whether some of the deficits that can come with age have beset McCain and the answer appears to be yes.

    When Brit Hume said this on Fox about McCain Iran – al Qaeda flap, I was amazed that this comment didn’t damn McCain but instead was used to let him off the hook:

    “But the mistake, nonetheless, raises questions not about his knowledgability — we all kinda believe he has that — the question, perhaps, about his age, which is an issue. You know, the feeling was not that he’s a dope, didn’t know his way around, that he might have had a senior moment there, and I think that’s unfortunate for him.”

    A long and grueling campaign will take its toll on a guy who already looks very tired. While the righties will pull out “senior moment” comments to come to McCain’s defense, it will probably contiribute to a corrosive uncertainty about this guy’s mental abilities and how far gone they may be.

  • Tom Cleaver (#25), Given that Reagan was probably already in early-onset Alzheimers when he ran in 1980 and had to spend 3 hours a day napping to get through the day (which could also be taken as how much less important a President is than we think) and that he had aides who waited with a couple of “hot” items until he woke up, age should have been an issue. His age had an effect on his negotiations with Gorbachev, like the Iceland screw-up in 1986.

    Still lying about Reagan and introducing hate speech against a septugenerian? Reagan figured Gorby and the Soviets were in trouble trying to maintain an arms race, and Reagan stuck to his guns.

    Back to diversity training for you.

  • Steve, maybe I can’t accept the credit for “Tonya Harding tactics” but I can and do take credit for mentioning this issue repeatedly, in almost every one of my “McCain can’t win because…” posts. (I will also take credit, if it happens, for being the first person to predict that McCain will, in fact, drop out of the race before the convention “for reasons of health.”)

    Again, I speak as one who may not be old enough to remember Pearl Harbor Day, but as someone who could have been conceived as a result of a celebration for the returning soldiers that ‘got out of hand.’ (I don’t know for certain, but it is the only explanation I have for being born into a lesbian household in 1946. If we ever get into another discussion of gay marriage, I’l probably tell some stories, since the luckiest thing in my life was probably the parents I grew up with — not because they were lesbians but because they were simply brilliant parents.)

    I agree that there is relatively little advantage in either candidate using the issue directly against McCain. The comedians wil use it — and they justly deserve credit for bringing political issues up regularly. More, the camera will use it every time they show a splitscreen of McCain and Obama — or even *shudder* McCain and Hillary.

    The point is not so much the actual number but the fact that McCain looks old. Age takes us all differently. I was going to talk about myself, but after Tom Cleaver’s comment, all I can say is TGFMT. (That Goes For Me Too if I invented rather than remembered this acronym.)

    McCain knows this is an issue. Why do you think he’s always using stories about his 95-year old mother? (Something most reporters seem to have missed.) Yes, some people remain active that late — my mother-in-law, who is 86, went to a doctor, worried, because she had to occasionally sit out a round or two at her weekly square dancing meetings. But others don’t. And McCain has had two major vitality-draining experiences in his life, the POW time and the bout with cancer.

    Appearance will make this an isue — unlike with Reagan. Reagan always looked vigorous — and now we know that was a lie, which will cause some closer scrutinty of McCain. Reagan did look like a ‘well-seasoned senior citizen with the wisdom of age.” McCain simply looks like what he is, an old man.

    But, again, the campaigns don’t need to make it an issue. We forget how much the Internet and now YouTube have changed political campaigning. There will be hundreds of videos making just this point, split screen shots, collections of McCain’s gaffes and flip-flops — and the unstated comparison of how different he looked when he made the different statements. I don’t have the skill to do it, or the equipment, but I hope someone makes a very simple one. Just pictures of each of the Presidents for the last 60 years, how they looked when elected, how they looked after four years in office, and — when they survived to that age — how they looked at age 72. Then follow it with a “McCain row” in the same format, with his picture being the same ‘at election’ and at 72, and a great big question mark at ‘after 4 years.’

    (I give this idea unconditionally to anyone who wants to use it, but would appreciate it if ‘based on an idea by Prup’ shows up somewhere in the credits.)

  • Re SteveIl # 36.

    You mean like the armament pace that BushCo can’t maintain while we’re in Iraq? The deferred maintenance problems of our Navy, Air Force, and major weapon components to this occupation? A 9 trillion national debt, and rising, which does not include additional future outlays for maintaining this no end in sight occupation that will fall on someone else’s shoulders? All while maintaining tax cuts for the wealthiest?
    Call it Putin’s revenge, or not, but what’s your dollar buying these days?

  • BTW, Barry W, as a self-described curmudgeon, I *ahem* resent the mis-use of the term. We are crabbed and fussy, but really quite pleasant once you get to know us. Age has added strength and firmness to our opinions, given the courage to express them plainly without being afraid of the consequences (which is why McCain will never deserve the term), and given the wisdom to do so politely so we can be more effective. (In fact, some people — particularly humorists — are at least ‘honorary curmudgeons’ long before they reach the ‘accepted age.’ Look at Molly Ivins, George Carlin, or, going back, Robert Benchley — does anyone read him any more. They were all curmudgeons their entire public lives.)

  • I have had a similar question since he went to Iraq last week- not so much because of his age, but as the only Rep. presidential candidate. What if something were to happen to him while he’s campaigning? I mean, Iraq is DEFINITELY not safe, and he is just this side of elderly….seriously, what happens in a situation like that? Would the party have to wait until the convention to elect a new candidate? Or would the previous candidate with the most delegates get the nod?

  • McCain will have to address the issue at some point as to whether he will serve one term, or intends to serve two. At the end of a second term, he would be 80. I don’t think most Americans will go for that. If he intends to serve only 1 term, that (and his running-mate) will be a huge issue. My mom, a lifelong Republican, voted for Romney only because she didn’t want a one-term McCain in office, and then another new president after that. She thinks if a candidate isn’t ready to serve 2 terms, he shouldn’t run.

  • As someone who was turned off of supporting Obama by the ugliness of the comments attacking Hillary before the Texas primary, I would advise those of you hoping for a Democratic victory in November to treat the opposition respectfully and not condescendingly or as a joke.

  • The Democratic candidate should simply refer to the GOP’s “same old policies,” and leave it at that.

  • Would the party have to wait until the convention to elect a new candidate? Or would the previous candidate with the most delegates get the nod?

    Interesting question. I believe they’d go to the convention, with Huckabee and Romney’s delegates still valid and McCain’s delegates now free to choose between the two — or else rally behind someone entirely new put forward by McCain’s people as his heir (Graham?).

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