The day after — the dust settles on DNC’s compromise

Jim Blanchard, the former governor of Michigan, noted yesterday, “I’m reminded of the old Will Rogers adage, which was: ‘I belong to no organized party. I’m a Democrat.'”

Ain’t that the truth. Mark Twain is believed to have said that those who respect the law and love sausage should watch neither being made. If we wanted to throw in the resolution of a controversy over convention delegates from non-binding Democratic primaries, it would certainly fit the bill.

As with most compromises and negotiations, no one walked out of yesterday’s meeting of the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee with everything they wanted. The party had punished Florida and Michigan for breaking party rules, deciding that the states deserved no convention delegates at all. That was an untenable solution. The Clinton campaign insisted that the non-binding results be honored in full, and that Florida and Michigan receive no punishment at all. That was an untenable solution, too. The Obama campaign recommended that delegates from Florida and Michigan just get split down the middle, 50-50. That was just as untenable as the other two.

So what did happen? Depending on how you look at it, there was a little something for everyone. Florida and Michigan have convention delegates again; Clinton has net gain of a couple dozen delegates; and Obama still has the insurmountable lead with which he started the day.

The Florida agreement included a provision calling for the delegates to be allocated on the basis of the state’s Jan. 29 primary, a decision that would net Clinton 19 more delegates than Obama. Clinton’s campaign had pushed for a proposal to seat the full delegation with full voting power, but when that failed, her supporters on the committee relented, and the compromise was approved without a dissenting vote, 27 to 0.

But it was the Michigan plan, approved by a 19 to 8 vote, that drew sharper opposition because of the way that state’s delegates will be awarded. Under the plan, Clinton will be given 34.5 delegate votes in Denver to Obama’s 29.5 delegate votes, a percentage distribution recommended by leaders of the Michigan Democratic Party but opposed by the Clinton campaign officials, who said it violates the results of Michigan’s Jan. 15 primary.

“This motion will hijack — hijack — remove four delegates won by Hillary Clinton,” said Harold Ickes, who oversees delegate operations for the Clinton campaign and is also a member of the Rules and Bylaws Committee. “This body of 30 individuals has decided that they’re going to substitute their judgment for 600,000 voters.”

Arguing that the Michigan compromise “is not a good way to start down the path of party unity,” Ickes warned that Clinton had authorized him to note that she will “reserve her rights to take it to the credentials committee” later. Campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson later affirmed that Clinton will reserve her right to challenge the outcome.

It’s worth noting that there are 13 committed Clinton supporters on the RBC, meaning that at least some Clinton backers endorsed compromises for both states.

Another detail that emerged last night was that the Obama campaign actually had enough votes to push through a proposal to split Michigan’s delegation 50-50, but the campaign pulled back, allowing the proposal that benefited Clinton more to pass.

Per multiple sources inside the closed Rules and Bylaws Committee lunch, Obama actually had the votes to get a 50-50 delegate split out of Michigan — but by just a vote or two.

However, it was decided to go with the 69-59 split to win a larger majority. That measure passed 19-8.

Allan Katz, a Rules Committee member and Obama supporter told the AP, “The ironic thing is Obama had the majority of that committee. The Obama campaign wants to move on and compromise. We did not muscle our way through it. It was a wise decision from a well run and wise campaign that will reverberate.”

Maybe, but maybe not. A closer look at the Michigan resolution highlights the most controversial aspect of yesterday’s deal.

The particulars of the Michigan experience and the legal fine points of DNC rules created a situation in which the two campaigns and the Michigan Democrats were proposing competing outcomes, all of which drew resistance from some committee members as unallowable under the rules.

Michigan Democratic chairman Mark Brewer and Sen. Carl M. Levin, representing the state, asked for their full delegation to be reinstated with full voting powers. But, calling their primary flawed, they recommended an allocation of the delegates based not only on the results but also on exit polls and an estimate of uncounted write-in ballots.

On the basis of those calculations, they said Clinton should receive 69 delegates and Obama 59. Clinton’s campaign called for allocation based on the primary, giving her 73 delegates to Obama’s 55. Obama’s campaign said the delegation should be split 50-50 between the two candidates but did not take a position on whether the Michigan delegates should receive a full vote or half vote.

The Michigan Democratic Party proposal drew skepticism from members of the rules committee. “It seems to me that this way lies chaos,” Elaine Kamarck said. “That if we start setting precedents that state parties can take a little bit of data from a primary and some data from exit polls and some data from assumptions they made, that we’re really in trouble.”

But in the end, the committee decided to set aside those qualms.

During the first session, Ickes pointedly challenged Levin over the Michigan plan, saying it would strip Clinton of delegates she had rightly earned through the primary. “Why not take 10?” he asked indignantly. “Take 20. Just keep on going.”

The problem, though, is that Clinton “earned” the delegates in a contest where she was the only top-tier candidate on the ballot, running in a non-binding primary that she publicly argued shouldn’t count. I suppose it’s a matter of perspective — she a) gained 69 votes instead of 73; or b) gained 69 votes instead of zero.

The “magic number” for the Democratic nominee moves from 2,026 to 2,118. According to the AP, Obama now has 2,052 to Clinton’s 1,877.

Whether yesterday’s compromise resolves the conflict or exacerbates it remains to be seen.

I recently met a Russian couple visiting the US. Someone asked them how Russia was adapting to democracy. The man laughed, and explained that they don’t use that word, but that their government is basically the same as ours. “We have elections. We have corruption. Nothing gets done. The only difference is that we know it.” “Accept it” might have been more accurate, judging by his tone.

That is why yesterday’s hearing bothers me so much. I realize that much of politics is insincere gestures designed to create an aura of fairness or progress, but at some point we have to start telling our politicians, “NO!!!! We see through this. We will not accept it.”

A fair election is not defined by telling people it won’t count, or maybe it might. It’s not defined by a system where candidates are not allowed to reach out to voters, or where citizens are artificially blocked from meeting the candidates. And it most certainly is not defined by changing the rules after the elections.

Yesterday’s hearing had the intent of creating an aura of democracy, to bring party unity, and to suggest a sense of fairness through compromise. It failed on all three counts.

Personally, I wish Obama had given a speech on the basic principles of constitutional law. Unfortunately, it would have seemed self-serving since he, in fact, followed those principles, and benefited from them. I still think he is the best candidate, and I understand that you have to pick your battles wisely, but yesterday did nothing to reduce the cynicism.

Personally I blame the Republicans in FL and MI the most for this fiasco. Secondarily, I blame the media for hyping such an insincere issue of fairness. Without them, Hillary’s arguments would have been met with due derision. And finally I blame Hillary for taking advantage of the media, which so clearly is rooting for the Republican party. But the citizens of this country are not blameless either.

It saddens me greatly that we may become a country where people “know” it doesn’t work.

  • NYTimes: “One of Mrs. Clinton’s chief strategists, Howard Wolfson, hinted that she was not inclined to carry the battle to the convention.’Our focus is on securing the nomination for ourselves in the near term,’ he said. ‘I don’t think anybody is looking toward the convention to end this process.'”

  • Whether yesterday’s compromise resolves the conflict or exacerbates it remains to be seen.

    It depends solely on whether some people continue throwing tantrums. I’m interested to see how long Clinton & Co. can keep agreeing to abide by certain rules and then pulling a screaming 180 when the results aren’t in her favor. If they tried this crap in a casino two guys named Lefty and Knuckles would have left them in the alley a long time ago.

  • Yeah, this whole thing is a sham. We’re going to seat your delegates, but they have to vote this way. What’s the point?

    Hillary Clinton has become her own “Stage Mother”.

  • I don’t think the Constitution applies to party primaries. See http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/1/72643/08080/210/526590 .
    Primary rules are set by the parties, and they decide how delegates for their conventions are chosen. Since Hillary decided she wanted to change the rules after she found out it wasn’t working well for her, I don’t see why the committees for the party shouldn’t decide on the fly as well.
    As for the people who say they will vote for McCain…you are truly abandoning everything your candidate stands for, if you do that. I know it hurts to lose, I have been a Democrat for many, many years, since I first voted in 1964, and I have had lots of primary candidates I supported lose, never mind how many Republican victories I have seen. Believe me, the Republican victories hurt a lot worse, and continue to do so today, since that was the beginning of the “troubles” we are seeing now.
    By the way, I am a woman and a feminist and 65 years old, and I have never been a Hillary supporter in this campaign. Didn’t trust her from the beginning, and it was her campaign strategists that made me distrust. Thanks to all the wonderful blogs I have been reading since Howard Dean’s campaign got me going in NH in 2003, I know a lot about the history of Democratic campaigns and who contributed to the losses we have suffered.

  • I’m interested to see how long Clinton & Co. can keep agreeing to abide by certain rules and then pulling a screaming 180 when the results aren’t in her favor.

    It’s Calvinball, pure and simple.

  • Like I said yesterday, it is unconscionable to seat ANY delegates from either Florida or Michigan based on the just-for-fun, won’t-count, not-everyone-on-the-ballot elections that were held there.

    That said, what was done isn’t likely to please anyone, especially Hillary’s supporters. But how can anyone, no matter how much she wants to win, argue that Michigan’s vote should be accepted as is? It takes breathtaking intellectual dishonesty to hold a position like that.

    At least it looks like Obama is about to sew up the nomination, perhaps this week. After the Clintonistas suck their thumbs for a while, we can hope that most of them will see that Obama is preferable to McCain – even in their strange worldview.

  • This sucks. I feel that I was robbed for a chance to vote for my candidate of choice because I believed that the original ruling of not seating the delegates would stand. Just goes to show that when it comes right down to it, you can’t trust a Clinton to keep their word.

  • What Okie said. No delegates should have been seated at all from these states. They knowingly broke the rules, and they should have to face the consequences.

    The Clinton people sound like someone who crashes a Thanksgiving dinner uninvited, scarfs down most of the food, and then complains loudly that they only got to eat one of the two drumsticks.

  • “This motion will hijack — hijack — remove four delegates won by Hillary Clinton,” said Harold Ickes… Ickes warned that Clinton had authorized him to note that she will “reserve her rights to take it to the credentials committee” later.

    Surely they know how ridiculous it will look to go all the way to the credentials committee for four delegates, don’t they?

  • Randi Rhodes before she left Air America frequently quoted Bill Clinton, who said” You fall in love during the primaries and you fall in line for the election.”

  • I was otherwise detained on Iowa caucus day. In the interest of having a true democracy and no hint of shameful disenfranchisement, I demand that my support for Obama be recognized by the media and the DNC as one vote.

  • Wolfson is on Fox News still claiming that Hillary won the most popular votes. To the extent that’s true, it’s only true because she violated the Four State Pledge she signed in which she agreed not to “participate” in Michigan and Florida. Obama honored this Pledge.

    Today, her team is still trying to divide the country on a bogus argument that is only possible because she lied when she signed that Pledge.

  • The Rules Committee did the only thing they could do — they considered the interests of the party and brought resolution to a situation in which fairness to all parties was impossible.

    Say what you will about the committee favoring one candidate or another, that is not what they did. They went with the recommendations of the FL and MI state parties regarding apportionment, and restored their delegates while honoring at least the spirit of their earlier penalty ruling, but without penalizing the other 48 states who did play by the rules.

    Living in a society where people are allowed to have different opinions means that sometimes we have to give a little. Sometimes we have to rely on a third party to arbitrate disputes we can’t settle among ourselves. That’s what happened here.

    For months, we’ve viewed this primary as a battle between two strong candidates and it was difficult to step back yesterday, to let that go in order to see what really happened, but in the coming days and weeks, we have no choice.

    I fully understand the frustration of those who now say they’ll vote for McCain or sit out in November, but between now and then, they need to examine the effect of such choices and ask if that is really what they want.

    Do you really want to stay in Iraq indefinately? Do you want more disasterous Republican economic policies? Do you want throw your support to a candidate with an abysmal record on women’s and minority rights? Do you really want a Supreme Court that is even more radically conservative than we have now making rulings that affect you and your kids?

    Since 1970, I have never voted for a candidate in a general presidential election; I’ve always voted against a candidate because my first preference lost in the primaries. A couple times I nearly puked pulling that lever, but I came out knowing I did the best I could under the circumstances.

  • On Fox News, Chris Wallace is now harping and harping on David Benior about the popular vote.

    Chris, in the comment above, is absolutely correct. If Clinton had not lied when she signed the Four State Pledge, she couldn’t claim that she won the most popular votes.

    On the other hand, if Obama had not honored the Four State Pledge, she also couldn’t claim she won the most popular votes.

    Just one of many reasons that the popular vote argument is crap.

  • Clarification to that last graph @ 16: “I’ve always voted against a candidate the other party because my first preference in my partylost in the primaries.” Gee, that isn’t much better is it? More coffee needed…

  • I know I’m just a dreamer, but I sure wish we had more Obama v. McCain stories and no more Obama v. Clinton stories. Especially when they are because Clinton has taken such a slimy, unprincipled stance such as this one. This is not about voters rights, it’s about public relations “spin” and the ability to claim the most popular votes (if you only count Tuesday votes in a primary in a state that counts).

  • It’s worth noting that there are 13 committed Clinton supporters on the RBC, meaning that at least some Clinton backers endorsed compromises for both states.

    The Ausman motion that seated Florida passed 27-0, the Michigan motion 19-8. So, yes, significant endorsement from both sides and from the uncommitted supporters on the committee, too. I don’t expect that to affect the “Obama strong-armed the committee as Clinton backers fell back helplessly” version of events. All we can do now is move forward and try not to be distracted by the unhinged folk, who really are a minority among Clinton supporters.

    danimal, I think you’re about to get your wish and the Obama v. McCain stories will be almost all of what we see going forward.

  • I highly doubt Hillary Clinton will take this fight to the convention. I fully expect her to threaten to take it to the convention as that is now the only way she can attract any media attention.Barack Obama batteling John McCain head on and Hillary clinton screeching about four Michigan delegates, which do you suppose will get the most attention. Resign yourselves to a summer long Clinton tantrum dominating the news.

  • At the risk of people overdosing on my Four State Pledge comments, I think the lie Clinton made when she agreed not to “participate” in Michigan, and then both leaving her name on the ballot and claiming to have “won” Michigan, is a much more dangerous and disturbing lie than the Bosnia thing…yet, The Four State Pledge has received nearly zero airplay whatsoever in the mainstream media or even on the blogs.

    It is that specific lie, her signature on that Pledge, that allows Clinton to continue to undermine the legitimacy of our nominee and possibly hurt his chances of either winning in November or winning with the kind of mandate we need to get things accomplished.

  • I really wish the people who would have voted for another candidate in MI if that person had been on the ballot would raise as big a stink as the MY VOTE COUNTS (because it was for Hillary) crowd.

    But I suspect they have lives and can’t be bothered.

  • I wish that it had been more widely reported that, at least for MI (Fla. was mostly GOP malfeasance), it was the Rules and Bylaws Committee itself who, by buckling under and granting New Hampshire a waver to its previous ruling that one of the four early states would be between IO and NH, started this while thing off. In effect the party was more afraid of NH than losing two large and hugely important states. I’m unsure whether I agree with the MI decision to go early, but Hon. Sen. Levin’s presentation certainly put things in a different light for me, and I think that this story should’ve been told more often, earlier in the year.

  • 22. Chris said: yet, The Four State Pledge has received nearly zero airplay whatsoever in the mainstream media or even on the blogs.

    Agreed, I have never even once seen it mentioned on cable news even though I have CNN or MSNBC on in the background 4-5 hours a day. Not even by people like Olbermann or Maddow who you would think might bring it up. I also can’t recall seeing it mentioned online off the top of my head except in the comments here.

  • Could you please have someone update the popular vote numbers? Now that the DNC has assigned “uncommitted” to Obama, you need to add those 238,168 uncommitted votes into his column.

    Thank you.

  • Beep52:
    Your comments here are so consistently good it’s hard to believe more caffeine is needed, but if it would improve them, I’ll buy you a pound of Jamaica Blue Mountain.

    Meanwhile, I’ll say again that if Hillary the Desperate hadn’t made an issue out of this, it would have been a non-issue. The Democrats probably would have made some sort of compromise — maybe close to what happened. But nobody in Michigan or Florida really would have cared. (I voted for Obama — knowing it was hopeless in my district which was heavily pro-Clinton, even though much of the district is black. — In fact, it is, more or less, the district that produced the first Democratic black woman to run for President — Shirley Chisolm. The Representative is Yvette Clarke, originally strongly pro-Hillary, though one of the many New York black politicians who challenged some of her racial campaigning.)

    Does anyone here know who the (non-super) delegates for their state are, even just their names? For that matter — while this year is different — how many of you actually watched or cared about the 2004 or 2000 Conventions? I expect I’ll get a lot of yes answers to that last question, but we’re political junkies. Remember that last time — for the first time I remember — the networks didn’t even give gavel to gavel coverage, but merely ran an hour of highlights, because they knew the audience would turn to other things — especially if there were good pennant races going on.

    But then along comes Hillary, trying to turn this into a cross between Zimbabwe, the Pankhurst marches, and Bush v Gore. I’ve almost been expecting a group from the “Michigan Freedom Democratic Party” to show up and claim the seats. And the media had to do its job by reporting this bovine excrement — simply because it was news. (It’s a variety of the “McCarthy problem.” When Tail-Gunner Joe was slandering people right and left and making his absurd charges. A lot of papers were asked why they displayed them so prominently. The answer — not a satisfactory one, but the only possible one — was that if a Senator made such a comment it was news. Yes, sidebars could be used to show its falsity — which wasn’t done much then — but it was up to the editorial boards to state this. The job of a reporter was simply to report what happened and these statements had happened.)

    And of course, as she departs the field, she leaves it scattered with weapons for the Republican nominee to use. They won’t work, but they’ll be used. (I have my own explanation for Hillary’s *ahem* rather eccentric campaigning which I’ve been meaning to bring out. I’ll put it where it belongs, under the Trinity Church story.)

    [One final quiz question — Maria, you ain’t eligible, give the others a chance. Shirley Chisolm was the first black woman to compete for a major party Presidential nomination, and I believe the first black. But she wasn’t the first woman — in the modern Post WWII era — to seriously campaign for the nomination. Who was the first — hint, she was a Republican?]

  • Actually, it was Otto von Bismarck who said that “Laws are like sausages – it is better not to watch either being made.”

  • Prup: I love Blue Mountain coffee. Negril vacation was one of best ever.

    Pre WWII:
    1872 and 1892 Victoria Chaflin Woodhull, United States of America
    Candidate for The Equal Rights Party in a number of States. She lived (1838-1927).

    Post WWII:
    1960 Whitney H. Slocomb, USA
    Candidate of Greenback Party.

    One you are looking for is:
    1964 Senator Margaret Chase Smith, United States of America
    Republican member of the House of Representatives 1940-49 and Senator 1949-73. In 1964 she was Presidential candidate in the primary elections. She was defeated by Barry Goldwater in the party convention. Chairperson of the Republican Conference in the Congress 1967-72. She lived (1897-1995).

  • I look forward to the next viable, competitive female presidential candidate. There will be a time when we have both our 2nd black president, but also our 2nd female president.

    I would like to see Kathleen Sebelius and Janet Napolitano given strong consideration by Obama as his Vice President. If either is selected and provides a strong performance in the position, they would be front runners for the nomination in 2016, after the end of Obama’s 2nd term.

    I am hoping to live long enough that we have had more than one black and more than one female presidents and an environment where it is not a campaign issue about

  • Laurie mentioned Chris Wallace in #17.
    Now, there’s an impartial voice about the Democratic Party, eh?

    Seriousy, Danp blames the Republicans, well as far as Florida, he’s partially right. The Republicans are in total control of this fiefdom, although there are a few Dem lawmakers. When this “let’s get more national influence” scheme was introduced:
    1) The Democrats were in near unanimous total agreement; and
    2) There was very little Corp Media coverage that this would break the rules of both parties.
    So, the Dems were totally gamed, and the public was hoodwinked by the Corp Media. Even in the midst of the coverage prior to this decision, the ratio was about 1000-1 about “disenfranchisement” vs. “broke the rules.”

    Now, I consider the Corp Media as Republicans, period. So, although there are as many registered Democrats in the state, it is (I repeat myself) totally controlled by Republicans.

  • The problem with the “compromise” by the Dem Rules Committee is that it “punishes” the hierarchy of two state party operations by diluting the votes of Democratic voters across the country.

    An individual’s vote is only valuable insofar as it is added to other votes to produce a total, and in the Dem convention system, the resulting state delegate total produced in a primary or caucus has to then be added to totals from other contests to have effect. By taking away the effect of votes in two states (either cutting them in half as the DRC did or, as Obama supporters on this board would have it, deleting them altogether) it dilutes the effect of votes everywhere else.

    There’s been a lot of high minded rhetoric on this board about following the rules, but I do not doubt for a second that if two states Obama carried were involved, the same folks would be arguing very differently.

    I think the DRC did the right thing give difficult circumstances but was working from a bad initial decision to strip the states of delegates.

  • that’s an Otto von Bismark quote .. made after observing a a session of the austrian parliment in the 1800’s … “hose who love the law and suasages should never watch either being made” …

  • IMHO the BO campaign started by overselling a lightweight commodity and after success iin strongarming red state dem caucuses did a scary and successful job in enamouring itself to the MSM and many of our current elected reps.

    For all his talk of “words matter” I have never seen a candidate get by with as much “don’t pay attention to what you see behind the curtain” as BO has. I’ve seen to much of how republicans twist things to be able to ignore it when I see a democrat do it.

    I vote for the candidate and will support a party if I respect its candidates. I do not respect Obama and his party.

    I will vote for Clinton directly or as write-in.

    JMHO

  • I think the DRC did the right thing give difficult circumstances but was working from a bad initial decision to strip the states of delegates. — pfgr, @34

    I think you’re right, on both counts. I also think that there’d have been far less hoo-hah, had DNC meted out the same punishment to both states as the Repubs had: let all candidates be on the ballots and campaign as usual, but let it be known that the delegates achieved there would be halved. It wouldn’t have stopped anyone from whining but, at least, would have made the counting an easier and “cleaner” proposition. There’d have been no guessing involved as to who among the uncommitted might have voted for whom, how many didn’t even try to vote because they didn’t think the votes would be counted, how many voted in the Repub primaries, etc.

    But, at this point, it’s all would-a, could-a, should-a; water under the bridge and over the dam. Maybe by 2012 DNC will have learnt some lessons from the current fiasco and will come up with something better.

  • When my daughter was 7 she knew that to let one person win while the other child did not show up was, in her terms, “unfair”. What Mrs. Clinton asked from MI could not have carried without badly alienating the base. Anyone who thinks that Mrs. Clinton should be awarded every delegate she has asked for is a zealot, which is not bad, but not good at all if that person, or persons begins to treat this as a divorce property settlement.

    I THINK that after the Saturday decisions on MI and FL Mrs. Clinton will get out of the race. That is in part because her own party representatives made clear on Saturday that her vision of circumstances did not leap the bar for the credibility.

    The final three primaries will not generate numbers capable of changing the current race between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama. If she declines to concede this nomination within the next week she risks a super-delegate takeover that no one in Democratic politics will ever forgive

    If she continues to fight, even her own party’s decision, she will be asking for a de facto coup. A wise person, especially at this point, fights, then runs away to fight another day while also garnering the admiration of those she has truly hurt, which are the members of the Democratic Party.

  • danp wrote: “Personally I blame the Republicans in FL and MI the most for this fiasco.”

    Me: Why? (I’m not being a wiseacre, I’d like to know why the Republicans bear most of the blame for the mess the Democrats found themselves in.)

  • I think the most telling point was when Clinton supporter Don Fowler looked Harold Ickes in the eye and said, “I’m voting for this Michigan compromise, and here’s why” (or words to that effect). Many Clinton people are seeing the light.

    There were supposed to be 10,000 Clinton supporters demonstrating; there were a few hundred. There were a small group of loud and vocal Clinton supporters in the room; that was basically it.

    The vast majority of people will be ready to move on soon. But of course the media love to play up the nutjobs.

    And as for the “popular vote” claim — that STILL doesn’t include the four caucus states Obama won. There are no vote totals there. Even if you estimate the numbers, he’s STILL ahead in that area.

  • Although the compromise is reasonable in terms of the voters and the candidates, I’m skeptical that it will be effective in terms of punishing Florida and Michigan and in dissuading other states from breaking the rules in the future. We can certainly do better than the current system of Iowa and New Hampshire always going first, but I don’t think it was good to set a precedent of letting larger states push the schedule at the cost of their delegates being seated with half-votes rather than full votes.

    Letting a large state go early means that whoever has name recognition and can raise $25 million first is likely to get a huge boost toward winning the presidency. Also, I suspect that large states will decide that having their usual number of delegates but losing half their voting power is a small cost to pay for going early and winning all the extra dollars and attention and getting their own local versions of ethanol subsidies made sacrosanct.

  • This is so funny watching the dummy-crats haha. Ole Hillary has kicked Obama’s butt all over the country the last couple months. looks like the dummy-crats have picked another loser. Good luck in the fall with that marxist!

  • Since the 50% penalty is exactly the same penalty that the GOP also imposed on FL & MI this year for violating GOP rules, how can they claim an advantage? I think that definitely figured into the reasoning of the RBC.

  • After reading extensively on the Internet, for me, enlightenment occurred, because my knowledge of politics has grown beyond some simple dimensions. Will Rodger explanation about being a Democrat is funny and reminds about another one out there that Will Rodgers says “If you want to see government just get screwed up, vote in the Republicans and just watch”. 🙂

    Here we are at the end of the primary and the process is still going. Why is that?
    Looking at the rules and the ability of the Republican Party to have an influence in the out come of the Democrats is really surprised me. Yes, what a rookie I am about all this stuff.

    Heck even with this last state South Dakota likely will vote for Obama in a big way. Asking myself how could that be? Well after doing a simple Google to view that South Dakota never voted for a Democratic President since 1964 then after reading about nonsensical people that make a vote against a person as many Republicans do, and some Democrats, now solidifies my personal believe why America is so screwed up. And why this primary is a close race. Because a Republican can after voting walk in to a Democratic side raise their hand and simply declare them selves as a Democrat. What crap is that?

    My argument to you all is that Mainstream Media knows all along of this process but it is only this election that with close personal investigation my findings reduce to totally complicity by the Mainstream Media and the very Neo-Con right wing core regular Republicans, especially those gerrymandered institutional types, non for profit organizations, and Republican think tanks, organize and contribute to Barack Obama’s campaign, besides going to rallies in this primary. All inspired to defeat Hillary Clinton in the general election, all likely Republican voters.

    Yes you tell by the laugh and insperational smiles of Tim Russert and Chris Mathews this little secret is out. One couls admire the the corruption and deception even by Rush Limbaugh, and sean Hannity. Especially Hannity caught saying he will use every resource to defeat Hillary Clinton. It was a suprise to me to find out that there was a rock band before the Obama rally in Oregon. Sheesh what dopes we are. It was also a plan that kerry used in the previous election the about 50,000 people came. Yikes kerry could never attract that kind of people.

    All, likely bolting in the general election after the Media dumps considerably more than just Obama’s church problems. Obama is in election wonder land along with the rest of the delegates that think Obama will attract all those votes in the general election. There is so much crazy stuff out there Americans will be dizzy with wonder how in the world the Democrats ever decided to nominate Obama.
    That is the very prominent plan the Republicans are open to achieve. All the while making the Democrats look like assholes especially the delegates that endorse Obama. Obama is so tangled up with so many goofballs Chris Mathews will have a field day in his side show. The “Hard Ball Goof balls” will likely feature prominent Arab connected millionaires with a host of Obama team of Chicago South Sliders. Some are on the State department’s terrorist list. Some fun huh?

    Likely that resignation from his church is only precursor to a grandstand resignation from the entire election.

  • DON’T BE DUPED AGAIN AMERICA !!!

    IT’S ABOUT ELECTABILITY !!!

    Large numbers of BUSH_McCain Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on with the backing and help of the medical and insurance industry. Under the direction of the George Bush, and Karl Rove vote fraud, and vote manipulation machine. Because they feel Barack Obama would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And they want to stop Hillary Clinton from fixing the HUGE! American, and Global mess they have created. shocking!!! isn’t it. Just gotta love those good old draft dodging, silver spoon Texas boys. Not! 🙁

    You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves off of you, and your children’s suffering.

    With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality affordable universal health care for everyone very soon. And you are also certain to see major improvements in the economy for everyone.

    The American people face even worse catastrophes ahead than the ones you are living through now. It will take all of the skills, and experience of Hillary Clinton to pull the American people out of this mess we are in. Fortunately fixing up, and cleaning up others incompetence, immoral degeneracy, and mess is what the Clinton’s do very well.

    Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

    Just look at Oregon for example. Obama won Oregon by about 70,000 votes. But approximately 79,000 Bush republicans switched party’s back in January to vote for Obama in the democratic primary. They are not going to vote for, or support any Democrat in November. Are you DEMOCRATS going to put up with that. Are you that stupid, and weak. The Bush republicans think you are that stupid, and weak.

    As much as 30% of Obama’s primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses, and open primaries where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help. Except North Carolina where 35% of the population is African American, and approximately 90% of them block voted for him. African Americans are only approximately 17% of the general population.

    Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton. This is even more phenomenal when you consider she has been also fighting against the George Bush, Karl Rove vote fraud machine in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Hillary Clinton is STUNNING!.

    If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. That is crystal clear now. Because all of the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. And the demographics, and experience are completely against him. All of this vote fraud and Bush republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is.

    You will have another McGovern catastrophe where George McGovern lost 49 of 50 states. And was the reason the super-delegates were created to keep that from happening again. Don’t let that happen to the party and America again super-delegates. You have the power to prevent it. The only important question now is who can best win in November. And the answer is HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. That fact is also now crystal clear.

    And YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose. As do African Americans. Support Hillary Clinton. She will do her best for all of you. And she will know how to best get it done on day one.

    The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

    The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

    Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic, and heroic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen. Probably the best there has ever been. 🙂

    “This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)

    Sincerely

    jacksmith… Working Class 🙂

    p.s. Cynthia Ruccia – I’m with ya baby. All the way. “Clinton Supporters Count Too.”

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