The Gore ’08 boomlet, redux

Just one month ago, I wrote, “As part of my ongoing fascinating with Al Gore’s prospects in 2008, I find it interesting that every few weeks, a handful of new items pop up that add a little more fuel to the still largely non-existent fire.” This week is just such a week.

The estimable Ezra Klein has sparked a new round of Gore-related speculation with a terrific cover story for The American Prospect. As Klein noted, “Five years ago, Al Gore was the much-mocked pol who blew a gimme with his stiff demeanor and know-it-all style. Today? C’mon, admit it: You like him again.”

Duly admitted. The scuttlebutt has apparently reached the former Vice President himself, who responded to a few questions on the issue yesterday.

Former Vice President Al Gore said Monday he’s not planning to run for president in 2008 but hasn’t ruled out a future in politics.

“I’m enjoying what I’m doing,” Gore told an audience at Middle Tennessee State University, where he gave a lecture on global warming, one in a series.

“I’m not planning to be a candidate again. I haven’t reached a stage in my life where I’m willing to say I will never consider something like this,” he said. “But I’m not saying that to be coy; I’m just saying that to be honest that I haven’t reached that point.”

Reserved interest? Straightforward assessment? Both? You be the judge.

I respect the hell out of Gore and I’d love to see him run again. It’s probably an old fashioned political standard, but I sincerely believe he’d make an excellent president. I’m just a little hesitant about whether the smear job the Bush gang did on Gore six years ago stuck.

Brian Beutler noted today that there’s been “a real change in the public disposition towards Al Gore.” I’m just not sure if that’s right. I think many key players in the party and in the blogosphere have seen Gore become one of the leading — if not the leading — progressive voice in the nation. Many of these same observers were underwhelmed by Gore in the 2000 race, but now sing his praises and want to see him run again.

I wonder, however, how much of this change has spilled over into the electorate in general. I’m thinking in particular about a Quinnipiac poll done earlier this month, in which the poll guaged the popularity of major political figures in a “national ‘Thermometer’ survey, where almost 1,900 voters rate their feelings about national leaders.” Respondents were asked to rate leaders 0 to 100 on a “feeling thermometer,” with the highest numbers reflecting the warmest feelings.

Gore didn’t too terribly well. Of the 20 political figures in the survey, Gore did slightly worse than George W. Bush (43.2 to 44.1.) And Bush’s popularity was already in free-fall at the time. It suggests a lot of people, if not most, still have six-year-old impressions of the former VP.

I agree that there’s been a change in attitudes among those who follow politics closely and those who have seen Gore become an aggressive advocate on a series of progressive issues. But I also suspect the typical American hasn’t picked up on anything Gore related since the 2000 race.

If that’s the case, the question then becomes: can Gore win these people over? I’m cautiously optimistic — the Gore of the past few years has been forceful, articulate, passionate, and not incidentally, right about all of the major policy challenges in the country. Put him on the campaign trail, and I think voters would approve. How about you?

He has to overcome the stiff/robotic thing, which he should be able to do in a few debates & talk show appearances. Once he does that he’ll be way ahead of the other candidates in heft, except Hillary. And Hilary will be the one who comes across as stiff and unlikeable. I think he has a pretty good shot, esp given popular anger at the incumbent party – Nixon ’68 redux.

  • Smear jobs, once and future, will not work if the Democratic nominee is willing to say “damn the torpedoes, and full speed ahead”. If the Democratic nominee is willing to dish out (in spades) whatever he’s asked to take. If the Democratic nominee will remember the kind of politics that got all our true leaders, from Thomas Jefferson to John F. Kenney, into office. Screw the moralism, the triangulating for the center, the fashion-doubt, and all the rest. GO FOR IT!

  • A dream ticket for me would be Gore / Obama. Whether that would sell nationally, I’m not sure. The general public undoubtedly still thinks of Gore as a loser, but America does at times permit second chances (e.g., Nixon). On the positive side, there isn’t much else they can say about Gore, and most of the stuff said the first time around is old hat, and easily refuted, so Republican smearers might find it harder to make aspersions stick the second time around.

  • And let’s face the facts within the Democratic party: Who (other than maybe Russ Feingold) will ignite the sparks of the electorate? Hillary would (but I’m not sure they’re the right kind of sparks). Evan Bayh? (He’s still trying to figure out if he’s a Democrat and I say that as a Hoosier and once-but-not-now-adoring fan of Birch’s boy.) Wes Clark? (Maybe but still too many ifs.) Mark Warner? (Too many ifs plus how many people north of the Mason-Dixon and west of the Mississippi River even know who he is.)

    My point is, Gore has the name recognition (not all good, thanks to Dumbya and his co-horts six years ago) and now has personality and wit that can win over voters. Will he win nationally? I don’t know. Can he win at least in his party? Well…yes, but other than Hillary and maybe Feingold, who’s his competition?

  • I keep going back and forth on this one too … the Nixon analogy is powerful and suggestive. And Al /is/ a changed man from 6 yrs ago, just watch any of his speeches to see. If Al wants it bad enough, I’ll support him again, and more enthusiastically than I did in 2000 (shame on me, who’d have thought he would have it stolen from him???).

    How about Gore/Feingold? Talk about a progressive dream team. Obama kind of scares me a little bit … he seems too good to be true, and keeps saying things and voting ways that make me suspect his ulterior motives. Just mho and 2 cents worth.

  • The rapidly expanding NASCAR lovin’ cult of anti-intellectualism that has blossomed from the disdain for birth control, womens’ rights, readin’, writin’, AND ‘rithmatic would be an insurmountable hurdle for any progressive, especially Gore, at this point.

  • I say let’s go for Gore. No other Democrat can win,
    and I’ve developed a great deal of respect for him
    over the last few years. I admit I was only lukewarm
    about him in 2000. We all were, I suppose, and that’s
    why he didn’t win. What a tragedy. We can remedy
    that by getting behind him, starting now. It has to
    start soon, I think, or he won’t have an opportunity
    to redeem himself in the eyes of so many Americans.

    I fear the Democrats have no one else. Those with
    name recognition like Hillary are turning off liberals
    in droves, and other prospects like Feingold simply
    aren’t household names. How can they beat a
    McCain?

    But something has to happen. It won’t go by itself.
    Instead, the opportunity will pass us by. A good
    topic for The Carpetbagger, and other blogs, is how
    best to get the ball rolling.

    A suitable VP might be Wes Clark or Russ Feingold.

    But again, it’s got to start. How do we do this, before
    it becomes a should have done?

  • Klein’s scenario in the article–Hillary looks unstoppable in the primary, hopeless in the general, the appeal goes forth for Gore to save us from President Allen or McCain–strikes me as the only way it happens… but a far from implausible one. Keep your powder dry, Al, and maybe think about dropping a few lbs. Your country’s gonna need you yet, and you’ve got a hell of a story to tell.

  • I like Gore, as I have stated before. Is he the person to put the Dems back into the White House? I have no clue. He is saying the right things, and I do believe he has always been a bit more of a progressive than most who will be running for the Dem nomination. I do think he should “have his space” for at least another year without having to enterrain the question of whether he is going to run or not. So far, there are at least three potential nominees whom I can strongly support: Clark, Feingold and Warner. Gore would be a fourth.

  • I would love to see Gore run again. While there are a number of problems looming on the the horizon, one of the most important is global warming. Who better to tackle this one than Gore?

    Can he counter the slime? I think the first thing step to counter it is to recognize its origins. Most will agree with CB, that they are “a little hesitant about whether the smear job the Bush gang did on Gore six years ago stuck.” However, that is not an accurate reflection of the origin of the slime. Bob Somerby, as he reminds us today, has done a yeoman’s work on tracing the source of the slime and has pinpointed it with the mainstream media. The true question is has the media learned its lesson over the last five disastrous years? If not, will Gore be able to neutralize the MSM’s dislike of him?

  • I’ll stick with Al Sharpton. A president-to-be who adresses several of his supporters with “Yo, whaddup homie?” is simply great….

    But, to get serious: how ’bout Obama?

  • NONONONONO!!!! Edwards was the only thing that gave life to the ticket, Gore is more like death on stick. We are, even more than then, two nations apart. Edwards sees it, knows it, can talk about it. Even the NASCAR crowd knows the divide, that if you have real money the world is a very different place than it is for the rest of us.

    I had an econ professor once that showed me the different turns in history when policy pushes the parts apart, versus pushing the parts together. In the long run, a middle class is very stabilizing. So if you want a stable society, and thus a stable gov’t, you have to work for a middle class. Since that comes at the expense of the upper class, it’s very anti-republican.

    The dems have got to go high road, think of it as theme vs issues. I have not heard anybody in dem camp yet who gets that yet, except Edwards.

  • Hate to be the little black cloud hanging over this parade (and if I’m the only one you can just ignore me, anyway), but I am not a Gore fan. Voted for him, and would again, certainly, if he were the nominee. But not in the primary.

  • I would love to se him run, but he has to decide soon, Running for Pres is costly and time consuming. Hillary has a lot of money already, and she may be unstopable. I believe Gore can win if he gets the nomination and we can clear up the monkey business with the voting machines. After all, he got at least half a million more votes than Bush in 2000.

  • “NONONONONO!!!! Edwards was the only thing that gave life to the ticket,”

    Not to dis Edwards as I do like the man, but he could not even win his home state. Can’t say that that adds a lot of life to any ticket.

  • Restitution for theft requires the restoration of the thing stolen, and not a substitute, to the person from whom it was stolen, and not a third party.

    Gore 2008 — it’s the moral thing to do.

  • A real bright spot on the horizon for 2008 is that the Democratic party has some real heavyweight contenders. Although, I’m not familiar with what they all stand for, I haven’t read or heard anything that overall makes we uncomfortable with any of them. That’s the thing (good/bad?) about Bush, he’s lowered the standards of the office so far that anyone looks good in comparison.

    What I’m hoping for in 2008 is for the Republicans to run Bill Frist. Having Frist run will make our job a lot easier for us. The guy has all the charisma of a fence post, he just plain sucks. If Frist is in the Republican primaries I have been giving serious consideration to changing my party registration just so that I can help him become the nominee.

  • Ever since the days of the PMRC in the 80s, I’ve been a strong anti-Gore guy. I had to hold my nose when I voted for Clinton twice and hope that nothing happened to him. Then when this would-be censor added Censorin’ Joe to his ticket in 2000, that was just too much for me. Yes, I know all the arguments that Gore wouldn’t have been as bad as Dubya turned out, but I just don’t like the man. Besides, if Gore hadn’t tried to be “clever” and only ask for recounts in counties he thought would help him in Florida and asked for a statewide recount at the outset, he might have won. Still, I’m more annoyed at how Kerry blew 2004. He would have been a good president (or at least he couldn’t have been worse than Dubya). Still, I don’t think 2008 is a time for Democrats to turn to retreads like Gore or Kerry or Hillary (whose nomination is as good as assuring the Dems lose). I don’t know enough yet about Mark Warner, but I like what I’ve seen so far. It’s a certainty that I’ll vote for the Democrat no matter who they nominate, but I want them to win — the 2008 election is the most important in a long time and we can’t afford to blow it.

  • Gore would be awesome, but as long as we don’t run Hillary then the party isn’t commiting political suicide.

  • Gore *is* stiff—I watched (at Crooks and Liars) a speech he gave recently. He needs to take up Pilates or some other body discipline that increases flexibility and softness. Seriously—he doesn’t come across as comfortable in his body. (Interestingly, George Bush is another stiffie. Look how useless his arms seem, how he needs to lean on a lectern to hold himself up. When people aren’t aligned in gravity, they have to brace—stiffen—to keep from toppling.) I think people would respond better if Gore had more physicality, were more relaxed and at ease in his body. And he’d feel better, too!

  • Gore did a poor job of picking his team, just as Kerry did. I’m afraid that if he got serious about running, he’d make the same mistakes and stiffen up again. When he did run, he had the boost of having just been vice president. Now he doesn’t have that.

    I’m a die-hard Clark fan, I admit, and believe that what Clark would do in office would be so much more than Gore could achieve. Gore was a member of the Democratic Senate that let Democratic values slip away, as Gingrich, etc., took over. He was a member of the Clinton team, Bill Clinton, the man who used up his political capital bringing us NAFTA, instead of bringing us a liberal Democrat policy. I really liked Gore when he ran, and of course the election was taken from him. But I think Clark will make a better candidate and a better president.

  • Al Gore proved his political deal making ability by securing the endorsement of the UAW even thou he authored “Earth in the Balance” a book which proclaimed the internal combustion engine a serious threat to all mankind.

  • I like the Gore/Obama idea, too. For Gore to do so well in public recognition when he’s been almost totally absent from public life for so many years, I would take that as a positive rather than a negative. If he really has learned to open up and show his warm, decisive side to the public, I would support his candidacy in a heartbeat.

  • Catherine, you are spot on regarding Gore’s team (Donna Brazile gives me the shivers). Don’t forget that Gore was also the lone senator in the mid-80s fighting the good fight against our own government and its support, financially and militarily (including the provision of biological and chemical weaponry) of a certain Middle Eastern Regime run by a certain dictator (cough Saddam Hussein cough). He also took on the fight against that regimes use of such weapons in the Iraq war with Iran, darn near all by his lonesome. All politicians have some bad in their backgrounds, especially if they have been around long enough. But many have a lot of good to go with it, and Gore has made some very principled stands in his career. That said, I have been leaning towards Clark if he can prove himself, but am particularly open to Feingold and Warner and Gore.

  • No more retreads! I can’t begin to trust Gore after the way he ran his 2000 bid. There’s just too much baggage to carry. And there is way too much baggage with Hillary.

    We need a Southerner who is tough. Clark fits the bill perfectly. He’s well respected around the world, something we are sorely lacking today. Not only would Clark be a good candidate (with the right team behind him) but he would be a fantastic president.

    And please, no more “liberals” from the Northeast, because no matter how much I may agree with them, they just can’t win.

  • CB writes, “I think many key players in the party and in the blogosphere have seen Gore become one of the leading — if not the leading — progressive voice in the nation. Many of these same observers were underwhelmed by Gore in the 2000 race, but now sing his praises and want to see him run again.

    I wonder, however, how much of this change has spilled over into the electorate in general.”

    But that doesn’t matter, does it? If Gore gets exactly the same support he got in ’00 from the general electorate, PLUS he energizes the grassroots, PLUS the support of the netroots (which didn’t exist in 2000), MINUS Ralph Nader, and MINUS the “Clinton Fatigue” that hurt him, he’ll win comfortably, right?

    Or, to put it more succinctly: Gore 2000 + Netroots/progressive support = victory.

    I’m not sold on the guy by any means, but it’s easy to imagine how he can win.

  • I like Gore/Edwards. I’d support almost any combination the Democrats come up with. But whomever is chosen, they’d better expect the Republicans to be dirtier than ever (they’re making a science of it) and be prepared to fight back. The Yahoos in America these days prefer slap-down wrasslin’ matches, and we’d better be prepared to win that game, too. And they’d better not rehire any of the recent campaign teams (who seem to prefer plushy party jobs to winning). With jobs being outsourced by the bushel barrelful, and pensions disappearing while the obscenely rich get even more obscenely rich, poll after poll after poll shows the American public is ready for progressive, enlightened government in this country at last; Gore/Edwards fills the bill nicely.

    If Gore is stiff, accept that and work with it (Nixon did, successfully). Gore and what’s-his-GOP-name actually won in 2000, and that was with f…ing Ralph Nader siphoning off votes right and left, even before the fraudulent handover to the Supremes. Kerry all but gave away 2004 when he just stood there taking hit after hit from the GOP slimebags without returning a single punch. Edwards fought the good fight and can be counted on to do it again; he’s clearly from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.

    I’ve mentioned several times here that sitting Senators can’t get elected. The only one to do so in the whole of the 20h century was John F. Kennedy (and his election was as questionable as Bush’s in 2000; thank you, Cook County, for pulling him through). Neither Gore nor Edwards (nor Clark nor Warner nor a host of others with less name recognition) is a sitting Senator. Gore and Edwards have both been there before — think World Series or NBA or NFL championship. Think Gore/Edwards. Gore/Edwards. Gore/Edwards.

  • Wes Clark? (Maybe but still too many ifs.) Mark Warner? (Too many ifs plus how many people north of the Mason-Dixon and west of the Mississippi River even know who he is.)

    Count me as one of the many Clark supporters. The only ifs in my mind have to do with his fund raising capabilities. I like his policies and he will have national security creds with blue and red states that even Rove won’t be able to swiftboat.

    I like Warner too, but don’t think he has the national security credentials that are necessary. Actually a Clark/Warner ticket soudns really good to me, although I could see a Clark/Feingold ticket. The former sets us up well to own the white house for 16 years, while the latter is probably more related to actually being able to move legislation on the hill.

    As for Gore, I like the fact that he can play the senior statesman role with the sticks-in-republicans-craw fact that he won the 2000 popular vote. They can whine all they want but the can’t convincingly say he is out of touch with Americans. As a candidate however, I’d only want to see him if HIllary sucks the oxygen out of Clark or Warner.

  • One other note on the Warner comment blockquoted above: virtually no one North of the Mason-Dixon line and West of the Mississippi River knew who Bill Clinton was in 1990.

    Dan

  • Unfortunately, he’s not charismatic enough on TV, and that’s what elects candidates these days. (Hillary has the same problem.)

  • I haven’t had any respect for Al Gore since his ol’ lady decided that Frank Zappa’s “Jazz from Hell” had “objectionable lyrics.”

    It was an instrumental album.

    I’m really not sure what’s worse – a failed lawyer, or a failed preacher…

    As for Hillary’s charisma problem – it’d help if she was nice to the folks who work for her… What goes around, comes around, and when you sow the seeds of bad karma, your dogma will turn on you and bite you in the ass.

  • In 2000, Gore’s campaign just left me cold, and after watching a debate with Bush where he prefaced nearly every rebuttal with the words “I agree,” I decided to vote for a third-party candidate.

    Had Gore acted and spoke as forcefully then as he does now I would have voted for him. If he continues to act like an opposition candidate, I’d vote for him. I have a lot more respect for him now that he isn’t trying to pass himself off as Republican lite.

  • Friend of mine who is on the conservative side of moderate (he’s a very reasonable person for the most part) saw Gore’s speech on CSPAN in January, was it? Told me if Gore would have campaigned like that back in 2000 he would have won. (I had to remind him that Gore actually did win, to which he rolled his eyes, and I told him, no, not just the national popular vote, but in Florida – several groups did a recount and he won Florida. He rolled his eyes again – guess this is still a secret, what a surprise, great job media.)

    Anyway, my point is that if Gore comes across more folksy (which I understand he is in real life), doesn’t get so technical, and speaks truth to power (as he’s doing in his speeches), and calls the bullsh*t that the Republicans will throw at him in the campaign *immediately* (unlike the Kerry campaign’s mistake with the Swift Boat liars), he has a great chance.

    Think: my friend supports Bush, but is impressed with Gore, might even support him. How cool is that?

  • Only Democrats recycle their old losers from the past. Mondale instead of Wellstone? Please.

    Wait, no, Repugs do it too, or used to. And what happens? Same thing that happens to us: they LOSE.

    Gore blew it. He’s always been spineless and wooden and insincere as a politician. But as a poli-sci professor, he’s brilliant. Bright guy, passionate speaker when he’s not afraid of losing votes, has some integrity.

    Gore is the guy I’d want to have as my professor if I were still in college. There’s definitely a place for him in the public sphere: he’s doing a lot of good out on the speaking circuit, so keep him there. Or someone give him some funding to get a think-tank going. Something like that.

    Gore can be a hero in a Democratic Majority America. Not as a candidate though, but as something else, I’m not sure what.

  • I’ve seen Clark speak in prerson, and he carried the room. He speaks from the heart and really connects. He’s smart without being a show off. Just watch him work on Fox news. He has really become quite good at focusing on reality and ignoring the hype that the “commentators” on Fox throw around. Every time I mention Clark to my more conservative friends, they ALL say that they like him.

    He’s a winner.

  • Count me in for Gore/Clark or Gore/Obama. Remember folks. . .he actually WON last time.

    As for the PMRC hype, give that a rest. First, it wasn’t Al. And second, other than making Frank Zappa a public figure what impact did they have on anything, one way or another?

  • Yeah, if we’re going to recycle — just how old is Jimmy Carter? He’s gotten more impressive, too, in recent years.

    bubba– Thanks for the heads up on Gore’s work in the Senate. I’ve felt very bitter toward congressmen since their failure to really support Gore in the aftermath of the 2000 election.

  • No, definitely not.

    But because Gore is a competent, intelligent and experienced politician, I’d like to see him serve in some way. So the question is thrown back at the ‘bagger: what position would be best for Al Gore in a Democratic or Progressive government?

    (I mean that “or.” Not “and.” A major problem for many of us is that Democratic leadership/prospective leadership is precisely that it is not only not progressive, but avowedly anti-progressive.)

  • At this point I would vote for Gore. And that is saying a lot! I voted for Bush twice, :^( But remember how the nation felt about the scandals in the White House? That and Gore’s not so likeable stiff personality.

    He is a new man we all see it. Time has shaken the guity by association aspect. His is VERY electible and I actually like him as of late. The right wing neo-cons are out of control in a very bad and dangerous way. For me to be saying this stuff there must be a big shift in opinion. I am one of those 9-11 truthers and I am so over the main stream media along with the right wing radio that has had a spell on me for way too long.

    http://www.draftgore.com/

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