The Grand Canyon is not a few thousand years old

Long time readers may recall a story I first started following three years ago, in January 2004, about a controversial religious book approved for sale at the Grand Canyon. Unfortunately, the issue still isn’t resolved.

First, a little background. In August 2003, the National Park Service approved a creationist text, “Grand Canyon: A Different View,” to share bookshelves with legitimate books at park bookstores and museums. In this case, the “different view” meant an unscientific approach, touting a literal reading of scripture to explain the Canyon’s formation. The book argues, for example, “[A]ccording to a biblical time scale, [the Canyon] can’t possibly be more than about a few thousand years old.”

The decision to promote the book didn’t go over well. Scientists who work at the Grand Canyon were outraged, as was the academic community — the American Geological Institute and seven geo-science organizations sent letters to the park and agency officials asking that the book be removed. Their objections were rebuffed; the book stayed.

Three years later, the problem appears to be slightly worse.

Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to give an official estimate of the geologic age of its principal feature, due to pressure from Bush administration appointees. Despite promising a prompt review of its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noah’s flood rather than by geologic forces, more than three years later no review has ever been done and the book remains on sale at the park, according to documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER).

“In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology,” stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. “It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is ‘no comment.'”

The National Park Service promised a high-level policy review of the issue three years ago. Apparently, that never occurred. What a surprise.

There are two basic arguments from creationists in defense of the book on shelves. Neither is particularly persuasive.

First, they argue that it’s a diversity-of-thought issue. A spokesperson for the Institute for Creation Research, which publishes the book in question, said three years ago, “As long as all sides are presented, I don’t see any problem with it.”

I understand that this argument strikes many people as fair. The state-sponsored bookstore should, the theory goes, feature books with real information alongside books with wrong information. It’s about having a sense of “balance.”

It’s also misguided. If the purpose of the bookstore is to offer visitors texts with accurate information that they can rely on, then creating a theological “balance” is an unattainable, and ultimately unnecessary, goal.

Does every possible idea deserve the official imprimatur of the National Park Service? Will the NPS save space for The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s ideas about the origins of the Grand Canyon, or are fundamentalist Christians the only lucky group? (In 2003, Grand Canyon officials rejected 22 books and other products for bookstore placement while approving only one new sale item — the creationist book.)

Just to be clear, the point isn’t to censor the books based on pseudo-science. If a private business, whether it be Amazon.com or a religious bookstore, wants to sell books that offer “alternative” ideas about the age of the Grand Canyon, that’s up to them. That said, there’s a difference between private enterprise and state sponsorship. National parks should offer the public reliable information, not religious conjecture.

Second, proponents of “Grand Canyon: A Different View” insist that there’s a legitimate debate about the actual age of the canyon. That’s true. Some scientists believe the Colorado River carved the Canyon 5 million years ago, others say 6 million. Some believe the rock formations are 2 billion years old, others may say 2.5 billion.

But the fact that there’s some disagreement among scientists doesn’t mean the floor is now open to any and all ideas as equally legitimate explanations. No matter how heated the debate between two scholars who want to argue between the 5 million and 6 million year old models, both believe the idea that the Canyon is 10,000 years old — or perhaps even younger — is utterly ridiculous.

I realize the Bush administration’s assault on science is well-established at this point — there’s even a great book available on the subject — but do we really have to wait until 2009 for this nonsense to stop?

You realize, of course, that this amounts to political correctness for the rabid right–the people who profess to despise PC “sensitivity.” But they get their britches in a bunch if we let the mean old scientific facts get in the way of their cherished dogma.

  • Each one of these niggling little issues is going to be a big issue when a future Dem throws them out. Headline: Evangelicals Outraged over President Edwards removal of “The Grand Canyon: A Different View”. It will be like detoxing from drugs: the bad stuff affects you again when it’s coming out.

    I bet, though, that there are books in the stores that present the Native-American myths about the canyon’s creation. Maybe it would be okay if A Different View started with “Primitive people called Christians believe that 3000 years ago a Sky God carved this canyon..”

    I never believed in Brighty the Burro either.

  • The world need only wait a mere 108 weeks of so, until the horrors foisted upon Scientific Truth by this dastardly illusion of an administration begin their final journay to the Ashbin of Reality-Based Thinking. The right to free expression, guaranteed by the Constitution, does not protect the imagined right of an ideological extremist to promote a myth, forcibly via the agencies of the Government, as a bona fide fact….

  • Aren’t National Parks under Federal jurisdiction? Aren’t they supported by taxpayers? Doesn’t this get back to that little matter of seperation of church and state? If I’m a Buddhist and my tax money is supporting the National Park system, am I going to be happy about some Christian myth being pushed as fact when I visit the park? Why can’t I demand that the Buddhist view of creation be given equal shelf-space? Can’t these fundamentalists follow their train of logic to its end and see the kind of mess it leads to? Let’s get back to common sense and get religion back in the home and church where it belongs.

  • Those who think all these ridiculous controversies will die with Bush’s last day as president should note how his administration is pouring on the coal to get various benchmarks established before the Democrats are in a position to stop him. I am reminded of those who swore that he could not possiblty get an ex post facto law on the books – to wit, that he and his administration and the CIA could not be tried later for crimes against humanity committed on behalf of his administration at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. He got around that one pretty neatly, using a different interpretation of the Constitution – which says fairly clearly that no ex post facto laws shall be passed. After the predicted period of teeth gnashing and screaming about the death of the Constitution, people settled down, and now there is an ex post facto law on the books. There is something about Bush that the American people cannot muster up the will to stop him.

    If Bush exercised his evidently considerable powers to achieve the theoretically impossible for things that make America look good, instead of a plundering rapacious greedy smug destroyer, he’d actually be a pretty great president, even if he is a dolt.

  • “A spokesperson for the Institute for Creation Research, which publishes the book in question, said three years ago, “As long as all sides are presented, I don’t see any problem with it.””

    Since when the hell do the earth is round types give any credence to flat earthers.

    However, in the interest of “fairness”, I would like to see a copy of Richard Dawkins’ God Delusion put into every church, mosque and synagogue. Afterall, as long as all sides are presented, I don’t see any problem with it.

  • As a Professional Geologist I am utterly embarassed that these people run this country. Frankly this is par for the course with the Bush cultists and religious fundamentalists. By their reasoning of “presenting all sides” anyone could then validate and publicize the beliefs of Holocost deniers as fact. ??!!??? Everyone knows without a shadow of a doubt the atrocities that occurred but there are peole out there that believe otherwise…should that tiny minority of people be given equal footing with other 99.999999% of people who believe the holocost occurred…..HELL NO!!!!

    enough is enough…I hope sensible people will recitify this situation as publicly as possible and expose these people for what they are……..fraud peddling oppurtunists….

  • Do any of you know how many “creationist” books on the Grand Canyon are sold in a year’s time?

  • Why don’t you go visit the canyon for us, Fallenwoman, and find out? and while you’re there, please follow your namesake and fall. Over the edge. All the way down.

  • Comment #4 is pretty good. By the creationists’ logic, why shouldn’t you put a book with the Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, or Scientologist, creation myth in the Grand Canyon bookstore? That this is not being argued by anyone shows that what these kinds of things are really about promoting Christianity. So when we talk about them, we can talk about them as a debate over whether public facilities should be employed to promote Christianity.

  • re: blue angel @ #4 – “Doesn’t this get back to that little matter of seperation of church and state?”
    but according to the wingnuts, the separation of church and state is “a lie.”

  • My point being, don’t talk about this as if this is just some unfortunate mistake. Let’s talk about what’s really going on. Face up to the problems to get people to face them.

  • Already an Assclown of the Week. I’m just amazed that Dr. Hoffman’s name never came up.

    “How old is the Grand Canyon?”

    “No comment.”

    Anybody recall that Ray Bradbury short story where parents of geniuses deliberately tried dumbing down their kids so their high IQ scores wouldn’t target them for extermination by the State?

    Are we there, yet?

    Anyway, I know Saddam’s been dead for close to 24 hours now and that we should move on to other things, but I couldn’t help make an observation that gave me pause.

    One of my commenters just said that “it wasn’t an execution; it was a performance”, which just about perfectly says it all.

  • Now if only that performance could be followed by a Bush/Cheney performance. After all, haven’t the two of them been responsible for the deaths of as many Iraqis as Saddam? Get out the nooses!

  • Mark (5):

    That which has been made by Herr Bush and his thugs, can be unmade. The day Bush leaves office, not a single one of his signing statements is valid, as the Congress never legislated them into law. The day Bush leaves office, his successor has no legal responsibility to uphold the ex-post-facto laws. The day Bush leaves office, I imagine that a Democratic Congress will have a full array of “new legislation” to present to a Democratic President—all of which will be signed without hesitation.

    Bush should consider himself fortumate that I will not be his successor—as I would simply place a big fat bounty on his head for aiding and abetting the escape of Osama bin Laden. I’d even place a bounty on Cheney’s head for openly engaging in war profiteering.

    We already know what things the Constitution spells out in a clear manner, and that the far-fetched definitions presented by the chimpanzee currently occupying the Oval Office are only valid so long as he occupies that office. By law, he will have to vacate the premises no later than a specific date in January, 2009. On that date, he becomes a fugitive—regardless of “how much coal he’s pouring on….”

  • I dunno… I subscribe fully to the belief in Douglas Adams (the Hitchhiker’s guide to the Galaxy), that the earth was a giant computer constructed to figure out the meaning of Life, the Universe, and Everything… (and, of course, the concurrent belief that mice have been running experiments on us the whole time)… I mean, after all, somebody has to be enjoying this joke of a planet…

    So I think that some shelf space needs to be reserved for these other alternative viewpoints… (I am joking, before anyone starts flaming).

  • Fallenwoman has a good point. We need to get some money made in that bookstore! Let’s get some good nudie mags, smokes and booze on the racks so our government can really clean up for a change!

    I’m sure they can come up with a reasonable THEORY for the Grand Canyon too!

  • Hey, Steve (#15) – I didn’t know that. I thought a law was a law. So the one he had rammed through, that stated retroactively the things done in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay were now legal has no actual legal weight? I recall there was a flurry on the blogs at the time, and a good many penned by very clever people said that the Constitution forbade any ex post facto law, period.

    The funeral (and surrounding reminiscences) of Mr. Ford reminded me that Ford pardoned Nixon, because he said the partisan bloodlust of pursuing charges would have torn the country apart. Perhaps he was right. Be that as it may, the US is sort of in the same situation now – a grotesquely unpopular war pursued for fabricated reasons, and allowed to grind on and on. A much smaller death toll, thanks largely to effective body armour, but that protects only the core necessary for life. Many American wounded are horribly so, would certainly be dead without their body armour, and perhaps wish they were. Anyway, public opinion being as polarized as it is, isn’t the US confronted with the same problem? Isn’t it likely that the next president will pardon Bush and Cheney, to avoid public fury out of control and fist fights in the streets?

    Good one, Glen; I was wondering where Fallenwoman was going with that line of logic. Do you have any idea how many cocaine speedballs are sold in New York in a year’s time? How many cheap shirts from China sold by Wal-Mart? Does that validate their commerce in the great retail continuum?

  • Would this be a good cause for the ACLU…>The use of our tax dollars to disseminate Christianity …and is there a someway to get them for promoting the dumbing down of our citizens?

  • Mark—think about the Prohibition Laws. If a Constitutional Amendment can be reversed, then why not the MCA—or even something so meaningless as a signing statement?

  • My point is: Just how popular is the creationist book sold at the Grand Canyon? And is it having any effect on those who do purchase and read it?

    Sometimes I am truly amazed at what you manage to find to denigrate those with whom you disagree.

  • I’m with Fallen Woman. Lighten up Tom Cleaver.

    I’m a geologist and an atheist and I have no problem with the book store selling the creationist book. (I was previously a book seller.) Let people read and think what they like.

    On the other hand, the park rangers should give a scientifically justifiable answer and not succumb to ignorance and superstition.

  • Response to 8, 9, and 21:

    Fallenwoman’s original question is a valid one. While it’s clearly indefensible that such a book is sold under the imprimatur of the Federal Government, it may be that only 2 or 3 copies are actually sold in any given month. If so, it may be that this isn’t a battle worth wasting time on: just keep the information fresh that it’s a goofy book, and move on until the orders given to the Park Service change.

  • Just as a side note, I fail to understand this “poor put-upon Christian” thing that the these whacko fundies are pushing. Our government doesn’t accept the Christian world view? WTF? Since when? The vast majority of our country is Christian. Bush’s claim that Christian views are being discriminated against? Are you freaking kidding me? This stupid book is the excrement of this notion fed to the American people.

  • They sell a BS book, but I found this at the official government web site.

    “The Grand Canyon is considered one of the natural wonders of the world largely because of its natural features. The exposed geologic strata – layer upon layer from the basement Vishnu schist to the capping Kaibab limestone – rise over a mile above the river, representing one of the most complete records of geological history that can be seen anywhere in the world. Geologic formations such as gneiss and schist found at the bottom of the Canyon date back 1,800 million years.”
    http://www.nps.gov/grca/naturescience/naturalfeaturesandecosystems.htm

  • According to most branches of Christianity, the fundies’ book is to the very opposite of the glory of God. But how do you overcome the US’ high wacko fundie factor? Where something like 45% nationwide disbelieve evolution, what chance do you have? Hopefully, the Bush regime has disgraced anti-science in the eyes of enough Americans for that 45% number to fall sharply, but the rest of the world is not holding its breath. The American Taliban will pollute US politics, hence geopolitics, for at least a few more decades.

  • Letter from an engineer
    … it is allright goober, our calculation requires a support beam for 20 tons but what do you say goober? Oh, your god does not allow support beam over 10 tons … your god does not believe in math you say goober?
    Your god has been trying since the beginning ot time -6000 y. ago you say goober- to figure out Pi but he was too busy kicking the dinosaurs out of the garden so adam could plant some figs for eve to bake … it is o.k. goober we will let you build your lil’ church on the prairie but there is one condition, ONLY fundies can attend your services .. we would not want to kill other people … your fundies want to die to go to heaven fast anyway.
    Why don’t you try a couple of 2x4s instead of a 10 ton beam … no no it is ok trust me it’ll work … just ask your god to bless the 2x4s before you nail them though … and the angels can support the roof instead of the 20 ton beam that is really needed … but what the fuck do I know? I am just an engineer.

  • For all of us who believe the bible to be God’s word to us and to be true, we also believe that when God created anything He brought it forth at the age and stage of HIs choice! Adam was not a newborn but was an adult that knew He disobeyed God’s command along with His helpmeet Eve!!
    Thus, the Grand Canyon itself does not offer ‘proof positive’ of its own age but continues to reflect the vast glory and creation of our holy God who chose to do ‘whatever pleased Him’.

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