The ‘I’ word

I intentionally avoid talking about impeaching Bush, not because the idea lacks merit, but because it’s just too implausible for me to even consider. The Republican majority in Congress, short of video footage showing the president selling military secrets to Osama bin Laden, would simply never consider it. With this in mind, I try not to dwell on impeachment, no matter how much it’s warranted.

And yet, the “i” word keeps popping up anyway.

New York Times columnist Bob Herbert, for example, wrote yesterday:

The incompetence at the highest levels of government in Washington has undermined the U.S. troops who have fought honorably and bravely in Iraq, which is why the troops are now stuck in a murderous quagmire. If a Democratic administration had conducted a war this incompetently, the Republicans in Congress would be dusting off their impeachment manuals.

That’s true. But would the public go along with such an approach? As it turns out, a surprising number would.

In a sign of the continuing partisan division of the nation, more than two-in-five (42%) voters say that, if it is found that President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should hold him accountable through impeachment. While half (50%) of respondents do not hold this view, supporters of impeachment outweigh opponents in some parts of the country.

Considering that no one in the mainstream political dialog (leading Dems, media, etc.) has even broached the subject of impeachment, 42% support is stunning.

In terms of partisan breakdown, 59% of Dems say that Bush should be impeached if he lied about Iraq, 43% of independents are on board, and 25% (one in four!) Republicans agree.

What’s more, as Think Progress noted, only 41% of the public supported impeachment against President Clinton in late September 1998, shortly before he actually impeached and after months of the right-wing drumbeat. The left has barely whispered the word, and 42% of the public would back impeachment against Bush if they learned what most of us already know to be painfully true — the president lied about Iraq before the war.

The fact that Zogby even asked the question suggests Bush’s political standing is in a precarious state. It couldn’t have happened to a more appropriate person.

I have a dream………….But not just Bush, we need the whole gang

  • If you think it’s not useful to talk of “I”mpeachment, there are plenty of other “I” words to use to describe this pathetic excuse for a President and his minions:

    “I”ncompetent
    “I”coherent
    “I”nsane
    “I”lliberal
    “I”diotic
    “I”mmoral
    “I”solated
    “I”mpatient
    “I”mmodest
    “I”mperial
    “I”mprudent
    “I”nappropriate
    “I”mmature

    You get the point…and I’m sure many of your readers have a few choice “I” words of their own to offer!! 🙂

  • Based on the poll results, I would have to assume that 75% of Republicans are like Rep. Robin Hayes (R-NC) and still believe Saddam Hussein was in some way involved with 9/11. I don’t even think the “jaws of life” would be able to remove their heads from their asses.

  • Chaney has always been the impeachment insureance. They figured something would go wrong long before he was appointed president. Once you get rid of the puppet you still have the puppet master.

  • I see no reason why Cheney shouldn’t be included in the impeachment. It’s evident from any number of sources that Bush himself has neither the brains nor the balls to have constructed this Crusade if lies and slaughter on his own. So impeach both of them simultaneously. Then watch Hastert (in the House where the impeachment must be initiated, and personally next in line for the throne) begin to sweat.

  • What more evidence do they need? It’s this ridiculous quest to find a “smoking gun” that’s a stopping point. (Read Alexander Cockburn’s commentary about the historical quest for the smoking gun in the current Nation magazine to understand the problem.)

    Cheney is hardly the insurance that anyone would want. He has left enough explicit statements in his trail to get him out of the picture before hand. Remember that Spiro Agnew was Nixon’s insurance and look what happened to him. (Although he left behind a money trail that was easier for the masses to comprehend.)

    Unfortunately, what finally got Nixon was not the poll numbers but the consent of the ruling elite that he was no longer effective in office. The ruling elite still support D’uh-Byah even though he leads a scandal-ridden administration and a scandal-ridden congressional majority. So relegate the “i-word” to your fondest dreams.

  • “SAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY: IMPEACH BUSH”

    The Capital Times, Madison, Wisconsin:

    [even a local Republican is] urging Congress to begin the impeachment process for President George W. Bush.

    “George Bush does not represent me and the Republican Party,” McKy said

    Others predicted that Republicans would soon be seeking the exact same goal as Democrats: removing Bush from office.

    “Imagine a bumper sticker. Save the Republican Party: Impeach Bush,”

  • Here is the current order of presidential succession. Where should the impeachment process stop? At least Norman Mineta is a Democrat.

    The Vice President Richard Cheney
    Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
    President pro tempore of the Senate Ted Stevens
    Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
    Secretary of the Treasury John Snow
    Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
    Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
    Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton
    Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns
    Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez
    Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao
    Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt
    Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
    Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshio Mineta
    Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman
    Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings
    Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson
    Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff

  • What do Democrats have to lose by pushing impeachment. Shouldn’t they continually point out, “If lying about an affair is impeachable, then certainly lying the country into an unneccessary war is.” Push for public support, not Congressional support. Point out the hypocrisy. Show anyone who agrees that the only way to hold the President accountable is to change control of Congress.

    Why not?

  • If the downward trend is permanant in Iraq, and Cheney continues to run around the country doing his Bagdad Bob impersonation, it may be possible to finally change the subject. No way would this Congress do such a thing, but it would be fun to hear impeachment arguments 24/7 for the next couple of years.

  • Insufferable
    Inarticulate
    Inexcusable
    Inane

    on more relevant note, memekiller, my guess is that we need the % of independents to get closer to 50% if not above before Dems could benefit from pushing for an impeachment.

  • Interestingly, the country cares less about “lying” than they do about “betrayal.” I think it has to do with the fact that we all lie sometime, and we all feel there is a time when it’s OK to lie. What peopel do not see as OK is lying for profit/gain or to harm/betray people.

    Part of what allowed the action against Clinton to proceed was the idea that he intentionally mislead us after the fact, along with the betrayal of his wife/vows.

    Nothing in BushCo’s actions says this clearly to the American people. Show that BushCo mislead us intentionally (which, of course, they did), and they’ll all go down in flames.

    So in framespeak, if your writing in to a paper or talking around the cooler with conservatives, try saying “betrayed our trust� and “intentionally mislead us� rather than “lied.�

  • I think what’s really stunning is that 50% of the
    people do NOT think Bush should be impeached, if it
    is found that he lied about the reasons for going to
    war. Have we lost it completely? A president can
    do anything, and half the people don’t bother to yawn?

    I have a feeling, though, that most respondents did
    not pay close attention to the question, and were
    answering another, namely, should prez be impeached
    (based on what we know now). The “if” premise was
    probably lost on them. I sure hope so.

  • Seeing WMM’s list of the order of succession, what’s most striking is that everyone on the list is more incompetent than the last, Mr. Mineta being the possible lone exception. Strong, capable leaders tend to surround themselves with strong, capable assistants. This president has always felt safer with weak but loyal footsoldiers who will just carry out their orders without question but have no real talent for governance.

    Dick Cheney, for all his political viciousness, has no more talent as a leader of the country than Bush himself. Plus his carefully shielded health problems are such that he is probably not even physically capable of dealing with the pressures of the job anyway.

    ‘President Hastert’? Please. A poster child for the archetypical political animal who clawed his way to the top and has scarcely even been visible on the national radar.

    Condi Rice might have a shot from a purely PR point of view, but she’d have to wait for Chaney, Hastert and Stevens to all go down in flames first and by then 2008 should be within reach when a real change can take place.

    Bottom line: Bush has created, or allowed Karl Rove to create, an administration built on pillars of sand. Once the waves of public outrage begin to smash against against it with real force there isn’t one viable figure who can hold that house of cards together. Which could be painful for a while, but it might lead to some really positive restructuring on the progressive model and faster than anyone might reasonably expect.

  • Chimpeachment – or can I buy a banana for your monkey!

    Considering the underwhelming coverage of the Downing Street Memo the fact that 25% of Republicans would be in favor of impeachment is encouraging.

    Eadie, you have outdone Frank Luntz, betrayal is the without a doubt the strongest word I have heard and we should be banging this drum constantly.

    If the administration goes down my personal favorite for the next president would be Rufus T. Firefly – Hail Freedonia.

  • I’m in total agreement with the comments of EADIE (# 12), I believe the world would embrace both saying because they’re not as harsh, yet true.

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