The inevitable attack on modern biology

In 1999, as the nation was still coming to grips with the tragedy at Columbine High School, then-House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) took to the floor to identify what he saw as the real culprit: science classes. “Our school systems teach the children that they are nothing but glorified apes who are evolutionized [sic] out of some primordial soup,” DeLay said. Young people learn modern biology, DeLay said, which in turn makes them feel insignificant, which in turn leads to violence.

This was, of course, one of the more loathsome comments made by one of Congress more despicable people, but after yesterday’s shootings at Virginia Tech, it was only a matter of time before someone who shares DeLay’s worldview stepped up to assess yesterday’s tragedy the same way.

Enter Ken Ham, a leading creationist activist, who leads an outfit called Answers in Genesis.

“We live in an era when public high schools and colleges have all but banned God from science classes. In these classrooms, students are taught that the whole universe, including plants and animals — and humans — arose by natural processes. Naturalism (in essence, atheism) has become the religion of the day and has become the foundation of the education system (and Western culture as a whole). The more such a philosophy permeates the culture, the more we would expect to see a sense of purposelessness and hopelessness that pervades people’s thinking. In fact, the more a culture allows the killing of the unborn, the more we will see people treating life in general as ‘cheap.'”

Ham, it’s worth noting, wrote this yesterday. He couldn’t even wait 24 hours before connecting the massacre and biology classes.

Maybe this should be considered some kind of progress. A decade ago, we had a member of the congressional leadership making these comments. Now, it’s a conservative activist.

Moreover, if there’s a competition underway to identify the most repugnant response to the tragedy, Ham has some competition from Debbie Schlussel. Yesterday, while details of the shootings were still sketchy, Schlussel told readers, “The Virginia Tech campus has a very large Muslim community, many of which are from Pakistan.” When news reports indicated that the shooter was Asian, Schlussel said, “Pakis are considered ‘Asian.'”

Today, Schlussel added this gem.

So, the perpetrator of the Virginia Tech massacre is a Chinese national here on a student visa. And, today, this alien did “the job that Americans just won’t do.”

Remember that the next time you hear President Bush and Condi Clueless waxing lyrical about how we need more foreign students in America. We do not. […]

Will this make America more vigilant in who it accepts as foreign students and less eager to take in these nationals–site and background virtually unseen? That’s the only question I can answer with a great degree of confidence: Don’t Bet On It. […]

And remember: Just because this attacker was not Muslim, doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of potential and hopeful ones among the thousands Muslim nations are sending here to “study” under Saudi King Abdullah’s scholarships.

Wow.

Different people deal with tragedies in different ways, but I’ll never understand this kind of ugliness.

Re: Schlussel’s comment that the gunman was a “Chinese national hero.”

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The South Korean gunman who killed 32 people and himself at Virginia Tech university had lived legally in the United States with his parents for 14 years, a U.S. immigration official said on Tuesday.

Cho Seung-Hui, 23, moved to the United States in September 1992 and lived in Centreville, Virginia, said Chris Bentley, a spokesman with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

Cho, a student of English literature at the university, was identified by police as the gunman responsible for Monday’s killings — the worst shooting rampage in U.S. history.

As a resident alien, commonly known as a green-card holder, Cho could live and work indefinitely in the United States, although he would not be able to vote or obtain a U.S. passport, Bentley said.

Bill O’Reilly will be all over this tonight, as will his coterie of hatemongers, i.e., Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc.

So, this tragedy becomes another justification for hate speech as well as “proof” that sience is “bad.”

  • I can’t stand listening to the 24/7 stream of ignorant “analyses” of what happened at Viriginia Tech. Wackos, like those mentioned here, find it a way to push their favorite causes (trashing foreigners, hating science, turning our back onr eligion, etc.). The liberals (at least those I’ve heard on Air America so far today) stand right along side these Know-Nothings, except that their favorite causes are different (why didn’t the stupid cops put in a campus wide instant communications system, we must have more gun control, why can’t we preach love rather than hate, etc).

    They all remind me of the sparrows in our neighborhood: chattering inoffensively for the most part (god knows what they chatter about, but it probably makes more sense than our daily dose of TeeVee), then suddenly bursting in choruses of shrieking complaint, only to return to the low level of senseless chatteer until the next eruption.

    Far more innocent people die violently in our cities than on our campuses. No one seems to give a care or thought about it. Heads of state (Bush, Blair, etc.) take full advantage of the photo op and sound bite. Life goes on. Except for those who died.

  • So according to Ken Ham’s logic, we should turn our universities into Madrassas, where students can unlearn the idea that life is cheap.

  • Hmmm… I can name a fair number of countries that also teach modern biology and leave religion out of the classroom, yet still have very few if any such incidents.

  • Mr. Ham should apply that same logic to the U.S. military occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. You’d think that the wholesale butchery in Iraq would warrant the consideration of “Answers in Genesis,” but a search of their website for “Iraq” yields only discussions on whether the Garden of Eden was located in Iraq.

    Interesting, Mr. Ham, Iraq is the last place on Earth non-brain-damaged people would look for paradise today.

  • Obvious connection, after all this was Virginia TECH (technology –> science–>not god) not Virginia JESUS University where there were no murders. The fac tath these people can even get onto the mass media astounds me!

  • I listened to local Blacksburg/Roanoke radio this morning — transmitted by XM satellite on their emergency and events channel — with a combination of news and call-ins about the tragedy.

    A sadder, more civilized response from those living in and near the area where the shootings took place can’t be imagined. No one during the time I listened (maybe 90 minutes) not a single person talked about ethnicity or blame.

    The only angry comments (and there were perhaps two or three) came from those who’d seen network coverage and they described it as angry, full of blame, know-nothing. Katie Couric came in for some focused negative comments. I came away thinking maybe America is tired of anger, division and blame finally. I certainly am.

  • Interestingly enough, may other nations, “Western” or not, make it a national priority to teach science. Some of these nations also have a significant number of foreign students studying at there universities. So why don’t they have these types of tragedies on their campuses.

    The only reason I can see is that it is much, much more difficult to get guns in these countries.

    Whether or not these students have a “sense of purposelessness”, it is the ready availability of weapons in this country that make these types of tragedies possible.

    As an Ex-Catholic Electrical Engineer, I can tell you science never gave me a sense of “purposelessness” but the blatant hypocrisy (Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor) of many religious “leaders” still gives me a sense of “mindlessness”.

  • Excuse me Mr. Ham (what a name). You might want to read all of Genesis. Particularly the part where sibling rivalry moves beyond “Mom, he’s touching me!” and gets really ugly.

    The lesson the students learn there is that if you smash someone’s head in with a rock, God will come talk to you and then send you on your way!

  • “And remember: Just because this attacker was not Muslim, doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of potential and hopeful ones among the thousands Muslim nations are sending here to “study” under Saudi King Abdullah’s scholarships.”

    In a weird way, she’s right in alluding to Saudi Arabia. I mean, didn’t 17 young men from SA “study” how to fly planes into buildings?

  • Debbie Schussel is a Big Capital See You Next Thursday.

    Can’t even get the nationality right. As mentioned above, he’s Korean.

    Debbie you ignolant bitch, is it because we all rook a rike? (Being of Korean decent, I can at least mock her ignorance and not a Don Imus moment.)

    Does it really matter that he was Korean? Crazy people come of all stripes and backgrounds. John Dupont comes to mind. Or Charles Whitman. BTW, the killer lived in the US since he was 8 so he’s not just some simple foreign exchange student.

    As for creation = mass killing. Er, Hammy? What about the Crusades? What about the biggest mass murder in US history, Tim McVeigh, a good christian white boy?

  • Yes, we all know that modern biology is to blame for all violence.

    Well, except for when it isn’t.

    And maybe Mr. Ham should ask Native Americans about what a loving, violence-free society we had before we started teaching modern science in school. I also hope he doesn’t visit a doctor, or drive a car, or live in a house with air conditioning, since, you know, science is such an evil thing.

    Frickin’ tool.

  • Actual posts to Schlussel’s blog on this:

    “It seems reasonable to assume that, by now, federal and state law enforcement know the identity of the dead shooter. Maybe not, but likely. If so, we can assume they’d tell us if he wasn’t a Muslim — because the powers that be in our country are desperate to minimize the fear of terrorism and avoid any “backlash” against Muslims. So the silence is suggestive, if not conclusive, that this guy either is Muslim or has ties to Islamic extremism. We’ll see. But anyone who is aware of the numerous terror plots by home-grown Muslims (perhaps you aren’t) would realize that Debbie’s speculations are hardly out of bounds.”

    “I just heard a reporter say that at least half the students at Virginia Tech are from China and India which I find shocking. Is it the norm for an American University to have so many foreign students?”

    “How can they know for sure its not part of a plot and there are others who will attack tomorrow? Suppose he had a personal motive, but got help from a friend who had access to weapons, ammo and some training? How can they know that the friend didn’t coordinate another attack tomorrow or next week at another place here or there? Its been talked about that a sequence of attacks would create more fear and panic. Before 9-11 and 7-7, etc. they kept too much to themselves. We deserve more of a heads-up.”

    “MY NAME IS DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL, NOT DON IMUS. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO FALL ALL OVER THEMSELVES IN SHAME AND GROVELLING FOR YOUR FORGIVENESS FOR SAYING SOMETHING YOU FIND OFFENSIVE, GO TO THE IMUS HOME. ALSO, THIS IS NOT MSNBC OR CBS RADIO. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO CAVE INTO YOUR THOUGHT-POLICE ORTHODOXY LIKE A WET NOODLE, THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THIS SITE–ALSO ME–IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE SEEKING.
    DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL”

  • I guess Ken Ham doesn’t get his own irony. He’s attacking the process of reasoning because of a senseless act. It wasn’t logic or reason or the scientific method that drove the shooter to do what he did. It was his illogical beliefs that ruled the day yesterday. Ham is dead wrong. If people thought more, this world would be a better place. It’s people’s screwy dogmas and unsoundly reasoned thoughts and beliefs that get us into the tragedies we experienced yesterday, and that Baghdad and other areas of Iraq are no doubt experiencing even as I write this.

  • Crazy people come of all stripes and backgrounds.

    Yes, and some of them have blogs. I suppose I should be surprised that people like Ham and Schussel are wetting their pants because they think this proves they’re right, but I’m not.

    Right now I’m just hoping Little Debbie and her ilk don’t rile up their followers too much. I have a feeling it’s only a matter of time before some other crazy bastard decides to commit an act of pre-emptive self-defense against people who don’t “look” American.

  • Wow … those comments over at Deb’s site are … just … damn.

    If you want a peek into the minds (and I use that term loosely) of the 30percenters and their hate, bedwetting, and lack of all logic, take a look. Just have some Pepto handy …

  • Ken Ham: objects to the teaching of scientific theories that attribute life to natural causes. Apparently prefers that life derive from unnatural causes. Goes on to speculate that our lack of unnatural causes for life results in hopelessness, which leads to abortion and then murder. Got it.

    Debbie Schussel: has high hopes for this incident; it’s gonna be a Muslim perp, it’s gonna be a Muslim perp, it’s gonna be a … oops. Okay, wait, there’s still a silver lining…he’s an immigrant! He’s an immigrant! He’s one of those nasty sneaky illegal types…oops. Okay, he’s legal, but that doesn’t change anything! He’s still an immigrant, and he’s from the East, so he’s PRACTICALLY a Muslim, and there are lots of Muslim immigrants, so maybe we’ll get lucky next time!

    These people are barking mad.

    Cathy

  • If our constitutional right to keep and bear arms hadn’t been illegally abridged by Liberal Weenies it would be a reasonable supposition that some Red-Blooded American Patriot within the student body might have been in a position to pull that ole hog leg out of his pack, take careful aim, and splatter Mr. Cho’s brains all over the mural well before he got to his tenth victim.
    One might also consider how far the 9/11 hijackers would have gotten if 5% to 10% of the airline passengers were packin’.

  • Sumi Nod, I think gun purchasing in Virginia is one of the easiest in the country. I assume that those students CHOSE not to “pack”.

    And, so, why don’t we ALL “pack” and “carry”. Just imagine all the fun we could have!

    Are you joking in your post?

  • How can these people be so full of fear? I truly hope Americans abroad aren’t being scrutinized in the same manner which Schlussel operates. HIS NATIONALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTION HE TOOK. My ‘opinion’ is that in America we sell an image of how a person is supposed to be and feel and should have. It is really easy here to get frustrated if we don’t get what it seems everyone else has. It leads to confusion, isolation, loneliness, despair and anger. Violence and suicide is always an ace in the hole…the finale trump. It is always seen as an insane action and never quite seems to make sense to the rational. The larger the incident, the more senseless and insane it is. It is uncommon usually, in times of peace and rarely happens. Because of the shock it causes we all run around trying to give motivation to the insanity to try to make sense out of the senseless. We then attribute justifications in support of our fears usually to further an agenda.
    And we are almost always wrong because the insanity of the act seldom has anything to do with our rational world. Your vain efforts to tie this tragedy in VA with foreigners or terrorism is shamefully sad because the people in Baghdad endure this insanity and shock on a daily basis and the one time it occurs here you are want to blame them for it. Unfortunately, this type of violent insanity is not bound to any particular race or religion (i.e., Tim McVey etc.) I will never understand this desperate need to blame “the other” outside of the hate and prejudice that comes from being you.

  • Ham is really stupid not just ignorant. Creationism doesn’t have to deny evolution. The two can coincide equally without either one being in contrast to the other. It’s all just a matter of timing. Science has never found the “missing link” between modern man and ape and this is precisely the time when God could have “breathed life into man”, thereby explaining the missing link and pulling God into evolution. What gave me the idea was when a friend of mine said that man began when two aliens landed on earth and were taking a smoke break and one of them said to the other, “Hey Dick, you see that ape over there? I think I’m gonna f**k it”. The aliens never returned.

  • Schlussel is certifiably insane. She was one of the people that CNN invited to that atheism panel they held (you know, the one where 2 christians and a jew – her – were discussing what was wrong with atheism?), and as part of the fallout of that she wrote about how today’s atheists would become tomorrow’s “muslim extremists (redundant).” So her instinctive reaction that this must have something to do with the muslims is, unfortunately, extremely predictable and expected.

  • It’s not “dealing”, it’s opportunism in the crassest possible sense. Grab a bullhorn the moment a tragedy occurs and make any and every attempt at connecting the tragedy with your own particular brand of snake oil.

    Jack Thompson is doing the same thing by attempting to blame this on video games, which as it happens, is something he already does all the time.

    Shame on all of them. And shame on all the broadcasters who are lending them their bullhorns.

  • “Our school systems teach the children that they are nothing but glorified apes who are evolutionized [sic] out of some primordial soup.” — DeLay

    Yeah, well, we need to straighten out those science teachers because DeLay is living proof that some haven’t “evolutionized” out of the soup yet.

  • BTW, I really like the story bjobotts’ friend tells about the origin of man. All we need to do is claim there’s a controversy, recruit some shit-for-brains “experts” and get some news coverage. Before you can spell genetic mutation, we’ll be on some state referendum.

  • RE: #15
    “It seems reasonable to assume that, by now, federal and state law enforcement know the identity of the dead shooter. Maybe not, but likely. If so, we can assume they’d tell us if he wasn’t a Muslim — because the powers that be in our country are desperate to minimize the fear of terrorism and avoid any “backlash” against Muslims. So the silence is suggestive, if not conclusive, that this guy either is Muslim or has ties to Islamic extremism. We’ll see. But anyone who is aware of the numerous terror plots by home-grown Muslims (perhaps you aren’t) would realize that Debbie’s speculations are hardly out of bounds.”

    Hard core fear-mongering going on there. Please, Ms. Schlussel, argue your case. Cite some examples. Oh, that’s right, we’re just supposed to assume the worst. Pfff.

    That’s funny. I thought the worst was happening before our corporate media’s eye’s everyday in the White House and everywhere else that the 9/11 hijackers of democracy conduct their criminal coup d’etat of the United States government.

  • One of the reasosn for the low and malignant quality of comments at Debbie Schlussel’s site is that she energetically edits out opposing viewpoints. I posted several comments taking issue with some of her assertions and pointing to factual sources that would render them improbable, and the one that somehow posted was edited down to nothing while the others were just not posted (by her). Of course, during that time someone else posted the really original and insightful gem “You can tell Muslims are lying when their lips are moving.”

    Her big hard-on in the post to which I was responding was to smear the young man who took the definitive phone video of the situation, Jamal al-Barghouti, by asserting that he was related (and therefore presumably just like) Palestinian activist and Fatah official Marwan Barghouti (imprisoned for murder, some say unjustly). She tried to make the connection between this family connection and an asserion unsupported by the CNN transcript that he equated the shootings to violence on the West Bank. I pointed out that they had no reason to think that the family connection was a fact, and that if Marwan’s cousin Mustafa Barghouti was on the other hand a non-violent democracy activist, Fatah critic, and official in the Palestinian Authority, that the flawed logic of her attempt at guilt by association made it just propaganda. I don’t think Debbie likes reasoned discourse.

  • I have to say taking religion out of America is a very bad thing with consequences. As the blog goes on it is embarrassing that ANYONE would use this as a political positioning. I am sure the dems will do the same. If they don’t then they have shown more class than the reps and that is the tides a turnin’ The parties may start switching their posturing and what they believe their parties represen

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