The inherent silliness of the GOP’s immigration fight

McClatchy has a good item today about the odd nature of the fight among Republican presidential hopefuls over immigration — we’re watching candidates who embraced relatively progressive policies attack each other while moving to the hard-right.

[Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney] each ran a jurisdiction that’s arguably among the nation’s most tolerant, where cracking down on illegal immigrants wasn’t good politics.

But now, Giuliani, the mayor of New York from 1994 to 2001, and Romney, the governor of Massachusetts from 2003 through January, are battling for the Republican presidential nomination amid an uproar over illegal immigration. So they’re gritting their teeth, squaring their shoulders and vowing to throw the bums out and keep them out.

The result has been a schoolyard brawl.

And a fairly silly one at that. Giuliani attacks Romney for not taking immigration concerns seriously as governor. He’s right. Romney attacks Giuliani for openly accepting illegal immigrants into New York City. He’s right, too. Both attack John McCain for his support of Bush’s policy. They’re right, too.

We’re dealing with a group of leading candidates going after each other for embracing the same approach that each of them have already embraced.

For Giuliani, that’s particularly problematic.

David Brooks, much to the former mayor’s dismay, uncovered a terrific speech Giuliani gave at Harvard in 1996.

“I’m pleased to be with you this evening to talk about the anti-immigrant movement in America,” [Giuliani] said, “and why I believe this movement endangers the single most important reason for American greatness, namely, the renewal, reformation and reawakening that’s provided by the continuous flow of immigrants.”

Giuliani continued: “I believe the anti-immigrant movement in America is one of our most serious public problems.” It can “be seen in legislation passed by Congress and the president.” (Republicans had just passed a welfare reform law that restricted benefits to legal immigrants.) “It can be seen in the negative attitudes being expressed by many of the politicians.”

Giuliani said, somewhat unfairly, that the anti-immigrant movement at that time continued the fear-mongering and discrimination of the nativist movements of the 1920s and the Know-Nothing movement of the 19th century. He celebrated Abraham Lincoln for having the courage to take on the anti-immigrant forces. He detailed the many ways immigration benefits the nation.

Then he turned to the subject of illegal immigration: “The United States has to do a lot better job of patrolling our borders.” But, he continued, “The reality is, people will always get in.”

“In New York City,” he said, “we recognize this reality. New York City’s policy toward undocumented immigrants is called ‘Executive Order 124.’ ” This order protected undocumented immigrants from being reported when they used city services. Giuliani was then fighting the federal government, which wanted to reverse it.

“There are times,” he declared, “when undocumented aliens must have a substantial degree of protection.” They must feel safe sending their children to school. They should feel safe reporting crime to the police. “Similarly, illegal and undocumented immigrants should be able to seek medical help without the threat of being reported. When these people are sick, they are just as sick and just as contagious as citizens.”

Giuliani, of course, doesn’t want anything to do with these comments now. Indeed, he insists that he no longer believes any of this, and the way he governed as mayor will have no bearing on how he’ll govern as president.

Brooks argues today that the Giuliani we saw at Harvard is “the real Rudy.” That’s the one who once declared, “If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you’re one of the people who we want in this city.”

But here’s my question for Brooks: how do we know? Who’s to say which Giuliani is the “real” one? How do we know there even is a “real” one?

Given recent history, I half expect Giuliani to concede that he welcomed illegal immigrants to his city as mayor, but he knew at the time what a mistake that was.

Anyone interested in a very different story (and analysis) on illegal immigration should try:
http://goupstate.us/index.php/lanefiller/2007/11/14/the_illegal_immigrant_next_door

  • You forgot–post-9-11 Rudy is a completely different person. From now on, you should specify whether the comment was made by Rudy Giuliani, or Rudy “America’s 9-11 Mayor” Giuliani.

  • “…I half expect Giuliani to concede that he welcomed illegal immigrants to his city as mayor, but he knew at the time what a mistake that was.”

    Great observation.

    There’s a drunk collapsed too close to the edge of the bridge and on the verge of rolling off;
    And there’s a drunk passed out the same distance away with a thousand dollars hanging out of his pocket about to get caught in the wind and blow away;
    Rudy is the same distance away from each passed out drunk and a crowd of people are coming down the bridge…he has just enough time to get to only one of the drunks;

    That’s the real Rudy.

  • There is no “real Rudy.” He can’t change his beliefs – he never had any.

    As has been pointed out, he changed from Democrat to Republican to get a job in the Reagan administration. He was what he thought he needed to be as mayor of NYC. His popularity after 9/11 breathed new life into his moribund political career. Now he’s trying to be Mr. “keep us safe from the terrorists.”

    Intelligent people change their minds when they realize they have been wrong. Flip-floppers change their positions when a previous position has become unpopular. Rudy is no flip-flopper. He’s something much worse.

    And Romney isn’t much better.

  • it’s not about rudy and romeny and all those other republikkkans. it’s about pat and those christians boneheads who for some reason lost all their wisdom that the bible talks about.and this is proof that it’s not about the bible or jesus.nuff said,i”ll let your ”wisdom” think about this .

  • The most serious problem American Faces is not Terrorism but the Mass Invasion from Mexico. The Largest Invasion in World History is destroying our Schools, Medical Systems, Judicial System, and the Rule of Law, while Slaughtering, Raping & Robbing Americans by the 10,s of thousands. They are destroying our Social cohesion & turning us into a Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Benefiting the Rich paid for by the poor & Middle Class! If this Amnesty is passed it will lead in time to Riots, Fires & Civil unrest on a scale greater than the 60,s and possibly Civil war!

    Both Democratic and Republican administrations have ignored Article IV Section IV of our Constitution & our Laws that is supposed to protect this Country from Invasion! They have ignored our Constitution, Failed to enforce our Laws, and dishonored their Oath of Office

    President Bush has not only ignored our Constitution & Laws he has Aided, Abided, Encouraged and Collaborated with a foreign government to Subvert our Constitution! To ignore our Constitution is grounds for Impeachment, to engage in Subverting our Constitution is Treason!

    This Policy continues today even after the Wake-Up call of 9/11!

    When you have Senators that are swore to Defend the Constitution & Uphold our Laws encourage Criminals to break them then you have Criminals for Politicians! When our Politicians that think our Constitution is just a damn piece of Paper & Laws are meant to be broken then we are headed down the Slippery Slope of Anarchy!

    Illegal Aliens start by breaking the Law by Arriving Illegally using Forged Document and engaging in a wide range of Illegal Activities that would get an American Citizens Fined and in Jail.

    If an American Citizen is caught driving without driver licenses or insurance they face heavy fines & possible lost of driving Privileges. Illegal Aliens on the other hand are usually released with no punishment! The same is true for identify thief and benefits using false SS cards & for a host of other Crimes that American Citizens would feel the full weight of the Law!

    Our Politicians answer to these crimes is not to punish them, but to reward them!

    Only someone that is Brain-dead would believe rewarding Criminals results in less Criminals or Crime!

    People that start out by breaking the Laws & are Rewarded for doing so, have little respect or regard for any Laws & see this Nation and American Citizens as ripe for Plunder!

    They take full advantage of every benefit they can get Legal or Illegally!

    Illegal Aliens have an informal but highly effective net work to inform other Illegal Aliens where to get bogus documents & any new scams to get benefits illegally! Most Illegal Aliens works off the books & pays no taxes but still somehow gets an Earned Income tax credit ranging form 1500.00 to 3200.00 returned to them every year from American taxpayers!

    Illegal Aliens arrive in this Country from Counties where rampant Crime and Corruption has been a way of life for Centuries, is it any wonder they bring those same Family Values across the Border with them and are busy creating the same type of environment in the USA!

    They retain loyally to the Native Countries & Exploit the Compassion of Americans & the Corruption of our Politicians by using us & having nothing but contempt for a people & Nation that does not have the Political Will or Integrity in its Politicians to enforce our Laws & our Constitution against Invasion.

    To put it bluntly & without being Politically Correct, Illegal Aliens & Many of our Politicians are Parasites & Criminals feasting on the backs of American Citizens!

    Illegal Aliens seek not to build this Nation, but to use the fruits of Labor of Legal American Citizens that immigrated to this country legally & have in 230 years of Blood, Sweat, Tears, and Sacrifice built this Nation!

    While the Illegal Invaders have built nothing but a Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty & Misery in their own Counties for the masses, but a Elite class of very Rich, and Corrupt for the few.

    Could this be what many of our Politicians are hoping to Achieve here in the USA?

    You hear our Politicians like Bush, Kennedy, Hillary, McCain, Reid, Spector, Brownback, and Martinez, that’s wants to give them Amnesty, only they are so dishonest they refuse to call it Amnesty! They talk about the Rule of Law & Amnesty in the same sentence. This is an Oxymoron of the first order!

    We hear the same Politicians speaking of seeking Bipartisan support for a Comprehensive solution to Illegal Aliens which are code words for Amnesty without any means or intend to enforce the Laws or our Constitution & close our Borders, just like they did with the 1986 Amnesty!

    They further obscure & confuse the issue with Political Spin & Lies by saying it is only 7 or 8 million when the best independent estimates of the Illegal population was 20 million years ago & we have 5 to 10 thousand more pouring across our borders every day since then.

    They conveniently forget to inform American Citizens that each Illegal Alien granted citizenship has the option to bringing in 5 family members in a never ending chain, so at the very least we are talking about 60 million or so in the next 15 to 20 years, a more realistic number is probably 150 million or more.

    This Nation will be inundated with 10,s of Millions of Prolific breeders. Citizens with an average of 6 grade education and a 50 percent school drop out rate to populate the gangs & welfare rolls.

    This is the same thing that happens with the last Amnesty, only this time it is on a scale large enough to destroy this Nation and turn the USA into another Mexico!

    What we really have is a club of Millionaires in the Senate & the Democrat party seeking to deceive American Citizens again & pass a Law to reward other Millionaires with an unlimited supply of 21 First Century slaves.

    While they reward their selves with the votes from Latinos and money they receive from Corporations for destroying this Nation!

    The intent is to exploit both the Illegal Aliens for their Cheap Labor and the Poor & Middle class American Citizens as victims of the Illegal Alien’s crime, deteriorating standard of living and the 100,s of billions in welfare costs!

    While the users of the Illegal Aliens Labor laugh all the way to the bank with their obscene profits! They get richer while the rest sink into Poverty! In Bush’s term in office 5.4 million more American Citizens have slipped into poverty l & if they succeed in this Amnesty, American will become a Nation of Poverty with the Rich, Elite and Corrupt ruling and the rest is slaving for pennies like the Peons in Mexico!

    If this Amnesty is passed is anything like the Senate version as currently written, it will result in harm to this Nation almost beyond ones imagination!

    The last Amnesty resulted in the largest increase in Crime and Welfare of any bill ever passed & compared to this Amnesty it was minuscule.

    Illegal Aliens as percentage of population & the ones given Citizenship by the last Amnesty contribute more too both Crime & Welfare, than any other group in the USA!

    So you be the judge of what the results of next Amnesty will be & the harm it will do!
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    The press is as guilty as the Politicians in trying to foster off this massive Amnesty bill on the American Public. They continue to refer to the Mass Invasion of Illegal Aliens as Immigrants which could not be further from the truth.

    They fail to point out the harmful impact of the last Amnesty in 1986.

    None report what the detrimental affects will be to our Population, Standard of living, Crime, Environment, Welfare or a host of other problems with the Senate bill!

    Many Nations have tried to build a great Nation on the Back of Slaves, all have failed. If this were not so Mexico & other third world Nations would be rich instead of poor!

    For anyone that has never lived in an third country & experienced the horrible conditions & do not understand what will happen to this Country if the Senate Amnesty is passed go visit the interior of Mexico, there you will see the future of this Nation!

    We, as American Citizens owe & have the duty to prior generations that built this country at great personal sacrifice & to future generations, to rise up in protest from coast to coast and tell our Corrupt Politicians, No Not Again!

  • All the Republican candidates and virtually everyone else is overlooking an easy and obvious solution to US immigration problems: apply to prospective citizens (immigrants) current interpretations of 14th Amendment protections against discrimination and guarantees of equal treatment before the law. To give a huge advantage to Mexican and Central American illegals over immigrants from Asia, Africa, Europe et al by strict enforcement of entry by air and lax enforcement of entry by land discriminates de facto against Asians et al and in favor of Mexicans and some other Hispanics. Mexico with 2% of the world’s population gets more than 50% of our total immigrants. Is this fair, is this equal opportunity?–obviously not. Once we accept the principle that US immigration must discriminate and no race or nationality can get preference over others, it will be necessary to stop illegal immigration just as it is necessary to stop discrimination in schools, etc. What fun it would be to watch Hillary and Obama try to defend immigration policies that clearly discriminate against African and Asian immigrants in favor of Hispanics. It’s time to demand why they support defacto immigration discrimination.

    For more on this approach read article below or visit equal-opportunity-immigration.org.

    FROM THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE

    End immigration discrimination
    James P. Driscoll
    Thursday, June 28, 2007
    U.S. immigration practices are biased. We maintain a double standard that gives immigrants who enter illegally better opportunities than those who obey our laws. Legal immigration requires complex bureaucratic procedures and long waits, with no guarantee of success at the end. Illegal immigration merely involves crossing the porous U.S. border without getting caught.

    We impose tight security on all who enter through our airports. Security along U.S. land borders, however, remains notoriously lax. Mexicans and Central Americans can readily slip across our southern border and millions have. But for most Asians and Africans, the only practical option is legal entry by air. Lax land enforcement opens broad immigration channels for Latin Americans that are inaccessible to Asians and Africans.

    Asians and Africans have a more urgent need to immigrate because of noneconomic pressures than Latin Americans, whose homelands are comparatively wealthier, freer and less populated. For example, 5 million Burmese have fled their country’s oppressive regime to live in abject poverty as despised aliens in neighboring countries such as Thailand. Many speak English and would like to immigrate here, but biased U.S. immigration policy practices do not give them a fair chance. The same story holds for tens of millions of other Asians and Africans facing political, religious and ethnic persecution. We admit few of them as legal immigrants; instead, we leave our back door ajar for multitudes of illegal immigrants seeking not freedom but only higher wages.

    The U.S. record of discrimination against Asian and African immigrants is long and shameful. In the 19th century, Chinese were brought in to build our railroads and then shot and buried in mass graves. For decades the Chinese Exclusion and the National Origins acts deemed Asian immigrants “racially undesirable” and severely restricted their numbers, while imposing no limits on Latin Americans.

    With African immigrants, our record is appalling. Millions were forcibly transported here to toil as plantation slaves. Early in the 20th century, we enacted a quota system that virtually barred Africans and favored Northern Europeans. After 1965, as demand for cheap labor rose, we replaced the quotas with policies and practices that favor Latin Americans. Today, eager for low cost labor and tacitly preferring illegal browns to legal blacks, we still decline to give African workers an equal opportunity to immigrate.

    To favor people who enter by breaking our laws over people who aspire to become law-abiding U.S. citizens is manifest folly. To discriminate against Asian and African immigrants by favoring Latinos is racist and a betrayal of America’s unifying values.

    Immigration discrimination is wrong: It should be illegal. Equal protection of the law, which bans racial, religious, and ethnic discrimination, ought to apply to those seeking a legal path to citizenship, not just current citizens. Equal protection of the law is not a quirk of the Constitution; it is a self-evident human right. Congress and the courts have a moral obligation to end government practices that foster de facto racial, religious and ethnic discrimination. To be just and fair to all, and safeguard against terrorism, we must secure our land borders as diligently as we secure entry by air.

    Notwithstanding, the contribution of immigrants to America’s creativity and economic growth is undeniable, as is the need for more selective legal immigration. Once America’s immigration challenges are honestly assessed, we can recognize the necessary reforms: 1) increase legal immigration and give it flexibility to respond to our economy’s changing needs; 2) select immigrants by ability to contribute and in order to relieve severe hardship and oppression; 3) minimize illegal immigration by improving land border security and curbing employment incentives; 4) give members of all races and ethnic groups equal opportunity to become American citizens.

    If Congress and the president are serious about immigration reform, ending immigration discrimination should top their reform agendas. Far from being genuine reforms, the current “comprehensive” proposals extend and legalize racially biased practices.

    Ending discrimination is the right and moral thing to do: that is sufficient reason to do it. It will also have crucial benefits. We will gain a more balanced selection of immigrants who will assimilate more readily and better reflect the rich variety of global culture. Such diversity will strengthen our economy and society by broadening our talent pool. Most important, America will at last realize the full meaning of “all men are created equal” by applying it to immigrants.

    James P. Driscoll, a long time AIDS activist in San Francisco and Washington, served on the International Committee of the Presidential AIDS Advisory Council. He arrived at these concerns after working with international AIDS issues. His immigration website is: equal-opportunity-immigration.org.

    http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/06/28/EDG6QQ4T6P1.DTL

    This article appeared on page B – 7 of the San Francisco Chronicle

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