The key difference between a mistake and a lie

If someone makes a false claim, it’s a little easier to get away with it the first time. He or she could always just claim ignorance: “Wait, he wasn’t caught in a compromising position with farm animals? Oh, I’d heard that he was. My mistake.”

When someone makes a false claim after he/she has been told it’s false, there’s less of an excuse. At that point, it goes from a mistake to a lie. It’s the difference between inadvertently misleading people and deliberately misleading people.

And John McCain is deliberately misleading people.

McCain and his campaign repeated at least two lines of attack against Obama, which when first said in early July, were called “bogus,” “wrong,” “inflated” and “misleading” by independent fact checkers.

At his town hall today, McCain repeated that Obama wants to raise taxes on those making as little as $32,000 a year and in his campaign’s response to Obama’s event in Springfield, Mo., today, repeated that “…Obama’s bad judgment led him to vote in support of higher taxes 94 times….”

Now, I won’t bore you detailing all of the ways in which McCain is lying here. Instead, I’ll just farm this one out — the claim about raising taxes on those making as little as $32,000 a year is demonstrably false, and the claim about voting for higher taxes 94 times is just as ridiculous.

I bring this up, though, because I think the presumptive Republican nominee is offering up an opportunity to create a new campaign meme: “John McCain has a problem telling the truth.”

This might even work, if there’s a concerted push behind it. Reporters may be slowly realizing that this is a legitimate area of criticism — whether they’re willing to say so out loud or not — as evidenced by the MSNBC blog item mentioned above.

For that matter, reporters also seem to coming to the realization that McCain has become relentlessly negative as a candidate. The next natural step is to point out the obvious: McCain isn’t just launching negative attacks, he’s launching false negative attacks.

McCain lied about Obama snubbing the troops. We know it, he knows it, the media knows it. McCain lied about Obama’s economic policies. We know it, he knows it, the media knows it. McCain lied about coastal drilling offering “short-term” relief. McCain lied about Obama wanting to raise taxes on 23 million small businesses. McCain lied when he held Obama responsible for high gas prices. We know it, he knows it, the media knows it.

Arguing that McCain has become entirely negative is almost beside the point — a candidate can be negative and honest. In fact, I kind of expected to see McCain go after Obama for things that are true — Obama attended Jeremiah Wright’s church; he wants to end the war in Iraq; he’s only held elected office for 12 years, etc. If McCain wanted to go on the attack in a truthful way, he could.

But he’s following a different path. “John McCain has a problem telling the truth.” Tell your friends.

[Update: It looks like Yglesias got there first, and was thinking along the same lines.]

pssst..Johnny Mac is a liar

  • He didn’t tell his Vietnamese captors the damn truth and he sure as hell ain’t tellin’ anybody else.

    He’ll even tell an interviewer that he didn’t say what the interviewer has on tape.

  • “John McCain has a problem telling the truth.”

    If the press won’t acknowledge it, then Obama should run a series of ads, everywhere, pushing this meme.

  • The problem with having a belief system rather than one based on reality and logic is that adherents to the belief system trust their beliefs more than facts. McCain belongs to this group as do his followers and his ads and attacks affirm their belief system and therefore are true.

    Please look at the comments posted at major newspaper websites and you’ll see plenty of evidence of “belief system” politics.

  • McCain is desperate.

    And desperate people do stupid things, like lie their asses off.

  • The refreshing thing about McCain is that no matter how often he switches positions, we know he’s a straight shooter, and no matter how often he says things that aren’t true, we know he’s honest, and no matter how sleazy his campaign ads, we know he wants to raise the level of the campaign. No matter how much he mentions his days as a POW, we know he’s humble.

    Most of all, what people like about McCain is that no matter how often he mistates the same things, we know he doesn’t mean it.

  • The next natural step is to point out the obvious: McCain isn’t just launching negative attacks, he’s launching false negative attacks.

    …and then next natural step after that is to point out that he launches false negative attacks because the American people don’t want the bush third term McCain represents.

  • Folks at this post are obviously woefully out of touch with current trends in truth telling and showing your contempt for any who might question. Have you been listening, but failed to hear?

    “We do not torture.” -G.W. Bush, because he has convinced himself that waterboarding is not torture. Nothing more than self delusion is required for this type of truth telling.

    “I don’t recall.” -Alberto Gonzales, because committing crimes is something an Attorney General just doesn’t put to memory. Self delusion is required for this type of truth telling, along with an utter contempt for the person (or country) you are speaking to.

    “Removal of clothing is not nudity.” -Douglas Feith, because a stripper in pasties is not nude and certainly not naked. People like Feith loved Bill Clinton so much that they have taken the “is” parsing to cosmic levels.

    “I never said that.” -John McCain, because being a maverick is all about never backing down. Staring directly at the videotape, the answer will be the same, “I never said that.” As our current leader has shown us, this type of truth telling is very presidential.

  • Since he doesn’t speak for himself, does it matter what he says? I doubt the media will make too much of this, he’s still their lovable old gramps who gets a little mixed up sometimes.

  • Wasn’t the “raised taxes 94 times” part of the attack on Kerry?

    Oh yes, it was.

    What a friggin’ joke.

    How long was McCain in the Senate? 20 years? Lets start counting up his “tax increases”.

  • How long was McCain in the Senate? 20 years? Lets start counting up his “tax increases”.

    Good idea.

  • It would be beneficial if you are calling out a lie to take it further and point out that “Just like GW and the war in Iraq, McCain is continuing his legacy of lies…”

  • The McCain campaign is treating McCain as if he were a right-wing blogger.
    They’re just setting him up with this talking point crap, and letting him go off on it.

    I mean it’s one thing to seed a bunch of internet jabber-ers with this sort of thing, but when you feed your own canidate such a steady line a baloney…

    This is just plain scary now.

  • Scott said:

    It would be beneficial if you are calling out a lie to take it further and point out that “Just like GW and the war in Iraq, McCain is continuing his legacy of lies…”

    ***********

    exactly scott … why not go whole hog and list all the lies that bush, i.e. the shit-stain-in-chief .. has made, i know it would take hours, and the CONSEQUENCES of those lies to america, and the world … then list all of McBush’s lies .. all of them .. and then have the announcer come on in an add like this and ask america: do you want four more years of these lies ? end of ad ………..

  • “The key difference between a mistake and a lie”

    A lie is what comes out when John McCain opens his mouth.

    A mistake is believing anything that comes out of John McCain’s mouth.

  • DUH. “Problem telling the truth” is so polite. It follows the general idea that in order to change a republican conservatives mind you must first kiss his ass. To get them to accept the truth you must never accuse them of lying…jus say it’s just a tiny “problem telling the truth”. Not out and out willful lying and misrepresentation…not purposeful deceitful manipulation… just a “problem telling the truth”.

    And problems can be solved together. In order to overcome McCain’s problem telling the truth you must hold his mouth open while I cut his tongue out. Because even when confronted with the truth…McCain continues to lie.

    Was it Rove that changed McCain into such a deceitful dishonest willful liar. No, he advises him how to do it more often and get away without consequences. No, McCain has been lying all his life and is incapable of telling the truth. Like Rove, he represents the worst of politics. Phony integrity, a character of deceit, repressed rage and anger equates to much more than just a “problem telling the truth”. It defines an overly ambitious manipulating power hungry politician willing to say or do anything to be president yet lacks the ability to act like one.

    The McCain razor is dulled by truth. Only lies and smears can keep it sharp.

    McCain: Wrong On Everything…and Lying About It.

  • The Obama campaign should not mention McCain lying. They should consistently talk about the positives of Obama’s platform. MoveOn should do the ads. This site, Daily Kos, Talking Points Memo et al. could offer a reward – publicity – for the best ad pointing out how McCain lies. Make it a news item by promoting it.

  • i like the conjunction of this posting and the previous one: maybe mccain doesn’t speak for the mccain campaign because the campaign can’t rely on him to tell the truth!

  • Breaking News: MSNBC pundits using facts. Pat Buchanan is all alone!

    What is going on?

  • I don’t know if it makes the claim any more true, but when I listened to Hon. Sen. Mccain on CNN this afternoon, I heard him say:

    “Obama voted to raise taxes on those making as little as $32,000 a year,” not
    “Obama wants to raise taxes on those making as little as $32,000 a year”

  • Not sure it will work.
    McCain is on record as making mistakes more than once.

    Witness the Shiite – Al-Queda gaffe even with Lieberdude with him to straighten him out.

    The question is, can we get the American public to understand that this mental dithering is not an acceptable trait in our link to the outside world. Can we YET make them understand that giving a spit about the outside world is important? Or are we planning to fight Iran with no allies since its worked out so great in Iraq? Would you trust this geographically, politically, and diplomatically clueless panderer with YOUR troops if you were a foreign leader?

    That’s the struggle. To get Americans to realize that “going it alone” machismo has its limits and we’re just about there. Four more years of it would be unforgivably stupid.

  • McCain lied about Obama [insert lie du jour]. We know it, he knows it, the media knows it. — CB

    But his audience in the cheese aisle of a grocery shop or in a town hall meeting doesn’t know it. His audience in front of the Faux Noise screen doesn’t know it.

    Our piano tuner came today, in his half-ton SUV and full of opinions. “Drill here and drill now. I’ve heard that experts say it won’t pay off for 10yrs, but I don’t believe *that*” “I don’t believe that they already have thousands of acres of land under leases which they’re not utilizing; why would they do that?” “Sure, I remember snow 50-60yrs ago. But I don’t believe this warming is caused by humans; it’s just Earth going through a cycle” “I do all I can to take good care of the Earth; I mow my lawn once a week and water it twice as often”.

    Those were opinions he *offered*, without my seeking them. I did try to parry them some, but, after all, I *need* his services, so I don’t want to antagonize him unduly. And, besides, when your head is made of granite, nothing short of a dynamite blast is likely to penetrate…

  • libra, i’m fascinated: i wonder how a granite-head can tune pianos!

    more seriously, don’t you have any other choices in piano tuner? (maybe you don’t, i have no idea where you live).

    i did get in a cab the other week and the cabbie (to his credit), asked if i minded if he put on rush: “yes, i do,” i said, “so you can either not put him on or let me out right now.”

    he took the fare, and put on the local jazz station (having read my character, presumably!).

  • “John McCain has a problem telling the truth.”

    “John McCain has a problem telling the truth.”

    “John McCain has a problem telling the truth.”

    I like it. And…it just happens to be true. Thanks CB!

    Incidentally, coordinated/rapid-fire talking points is what we need more of coming out of the left. When it comes to talking points, the right is a machine. They all agree on the “narrative” or meme of the day, week or month, and then they overwhelm us with their coordinated talking points. For each time that we correct the lie, they tell it 100 times (e.g. China drilling off the coast of Florida, no oil spills after Katrina, presumptuous…presumptuous…presumptuous).

    When it comes to talking points, we need to take a page out of their book and simplify, coordinate and hit ’em hard. The difference would be that we’re the ones telling the truth.

    We need talking points about Senate Republican filibusters (e.g. “Senate Republicans have blocked more up or down votes than any minority party in history”).

    We need talking points about our energy policy (e.g. “Republicans, big oil and the nuclear industry are working together to kill our food chain and endanger our water supplies.”).

    We need talking points on the media (e.g. “The corporate media doesn’t want you to know the truth about John McCain”).

    etcetera.

  • libra, thank you, you have done us all the favor of describing the McCain voter. This person is apparently part of the 25% who still love Bush. Hopefully this is the same bunch that will turn out for McCain plus every Klan member and homophobic. The same bunch that showed up in November of 1992 for DaddyBush.

  • CJ, respectfully I think the problem is not a lack of talking points, they show up here and lots of other places very regularly. What is lacking are reporters and journalists who actually question the talking points.

    An important point missed in all the “White House Talking Points go to Fox News, ABC, NBC, and CBS” hoopla is that I believe they supplied the follow up commentary, as well. The talking points were always transparent, but the media AND a majority of Americans were loving every minute of 9-12-2001 through 2005. At least 25% of them still think the “good stories from Iraq” are being suppressed by the liberal media. Until 2005 it was 75% where I live.

  • Listening to Pat Buchanan on TV today, he argued with Rachel Maddow that Obama shouldn’t comment on these ads of McCain. It is not responding to the ridiculous ads that hurt so many candidates. People who don’t go online for their news NEED to hear that McCain is lying and all these distortions must be confronted IMMEDIATELY. Here in Richmond,VA there are people writing into the local newspaper who believe every word of this crap.

  • I could copy my response(s) to the last twenty McCain is full of shit threads right now, but what would be the point.

    This election is a referendum on the intellect of the American electorate. Should McCain somehow, someway, manage to become elected, then we must come to terms that America needs to grow another few decades and let the old guard pass, with due respect of course.

    I just hope we (humans) will last that long.

  • libra, I also wonder where you find a piano tuner (we just had one tune our piano where I work) with such un-artistic opinions. Our tuner was an artist and played beautifully. I didn’t ask his political opinions, but I cannot imagine a true artist being so blind.
    Just sayin’.
    peace,
    st john

  • The nice thing about the word “misspeak” is that it can mean either “speak in error” or “lie.”

    And from a strategic POV, why shouldn’t McCain repeat lies that have been exposed by Factcheck.org? How many people know what Factcheck.org says? Meanwhile, you can repeat the lie often enough so it becomes a Big Lie.

    And as long as the media don’t speak of him as a liar (as they did with Gore in 2000), he’s protected. It may have been Mark Twain who said that once you have a reputation for being an early riser, you can sleep till noon.

  • Obama’s new ad about the “low road” seems like the last step before flat-out calling McCain a liar. (I don’t expect Obama to do that, exactly, but it’s not hard to make the connection and to have surrogates make the connection in a way that lets the candidate float above the fray.)

    Sorry if already mentioned.

  • I agree, EOC.

    “Low road” is about as directly as Obama can speak without appearing to go there himself.

  • And as long as the media don’t speak of him as a liar (as they did with Gore in 2000), he’s protected.

    Of course, but it seems like they’re on the verge of starting to do so.

    I don’t wish to overstate the media’s importance, but it’s hard to see how McCain hangs in the race with a media calling out all his lies.

  • Why won’t John McCain tell the Truth? What is he hiding? These are the two lines that Obama should be repeating and repeating. McCain is getting desperate and it is only late July.

  • The best we can do is to continue to call out the media, email the networks, try to get the truth out. This election is all about who is going to control the United States of America, voters or news media. You and I know we have a media that has very nearly gone 100% over the line into genuine TAAS style, fascist propaganda and opinion control.

    This week it was encouraging (slightly) to see Andrea Mitchell seemingly wake up and voice a valid question. On occasion we catch slight glimmers of hope when the networks are feeling nostalgic or maybe feeling guilty. The US once had a clear idea that a FREE and independent press was an important thing. That’s what this is all about. We must tell the people who have made journalism a career that it is up to them to save it, we are not being fooled. Get on the email and tell Charlie Gibson (the worst of the network anchors), tell Couric, tell Bob Sheiffer…tell them all: we only want the truth. Remember Dragnet? Just the facts, please.

  • libra, i’m fascinated: i wonder how a granite-head can tune pianos! — Howard, @23

    He has a computerized “gizmo”. Each key has a certain optimum pitch and any deviation from it shows on the gizmo. He twiddles strings attached to each key until the sound from the key matches the straight up-and-down line on the gizmo. A high tech “plumb” it looks like to me; something that anyone could learn to use efficiently.

    As for why him… We used to have a different, local (this one comes from a town 35miles away), tuner. Also crazy, but nice (like me. Grin). But he retired, years ago. I live in a town with 4.5K permanent population (17+ if you add in the county). This is who had been recommended to us by the U, so this is whom we got. Neither my husband nor I play; the piano, ostensibly, belongs to our son (who is in SF and cannot afford to buy a house big enough to house it — it’s a baby grand).

    St John, @29,

    I didn’t *ask* for his opinions. As soon as I discovered — on his first visit — that he was a religious nut, with Biblical understanding of what a woman’s “place” is in the larger scheme of things, I made sure we never discussed anything other than current weather (not *climate*, political or otherwise) or Food Lion specials (his wife doesn’t drive, so he goes shopping with her).

    This is south-western, mostly rural, Virginia, the “white, hard working” Appalachia… The tuner is a twice-a-year minor irritation I can live with. Today happened to be worse than usual but, in a way, the sudden “eruption” cheered me up too. He’s held his tongue for 8 yrs, through Webb yard signs an’all. And, suddenly, he wants to discuss politics? Gotta be scared… 🙂

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